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posted at 10:00 pm on December 12, 2008 by Allahpundit
Why make “Che”? What relevance does it have to 2008?
We’re certainly seeing the result of what happens when you make profit the point of everything, where money that’s being earned doesn’t represent any particular product or labor on anybody’s part. That can’t sustain, because it’s magical thinking. It can’t go on indefinitely, because eventually it crashes. Che’s dream of a classless society, a society that isn’t built on the profit motive, is still relevant. The arguments still going on are about his methodology…
I can’t sit here and say “Che” is a feel-good movie … or a feel-bad movie. It is what it is — an attempt to re-create a piece of history. It’s not a recruitment film. What I hope happens when people come out of the theater is they’ll ask themselves, “Wow, is there anything in my life I feel that passionate about?”
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We helped Che realize his dream a bit earlier than he intended….
yes I mean that literally.
sven10077 on December 12, 2008 at 10:04 PM
There is nothing remotely redeemable about Che. An evil man with an evil cause. And I don’t say that lightly.
Count to 10 on December 12, 2008 at 10:06 PM
I feel passionate about butchering my political enemies and staging mass executions after flimsy Stalinist show trials!
Che is an inspiration.
Lehosh on December 12, 2008 at 10:07 PM
For good or ill, Che is perhaps capitalism’s greatest maskot, right behind Ronald McDonald or Mickey Mouse. This hagiography is just another shameless attempt to cash in on the Defiance-Industry tm.
abobo on December 12, 2008 at 10:09 PM
What I don’t understand about the people who don’t like the profit motive is that you can live a perfectly comfortable life without going for profit.
Why can’t they just live their lives modestly and stfu? Oh wait, they want to change the world. Maybe they need to get their egos in check.
just saying
Metro on December 12, 2008 at 10:09 PM
Boobies. >:D
lorien1973 on December 12, 2008 at 10:12 PM
Allahpundit…………… what a perfect description of what the Federal Government, under the control of the Democrats, are doing today.
…………. with one exception, we, as citizens, are left to pay the bill while they continue to spend like drunken bureaucrats……….. “Che” would be proud, if he wasn’t busy killing so many people.
……………. get the popcorn, enjoy!
Seven Percent Solution on December 12, 2008 at 10:14 PM
Che didn’t dream of a classless society anymore than Castro did. He dreamed of a society with an entitled Communist ruling class… and everyone else.
Hollowpoint on December 12, 2008 at 10:15 PM
Bill Ayers, Che, hey they meant well so let’s no worry too much about the “methdology.”
But, of course, they didn’t mean well and their means was part and parcel of their goal. That is the attainment of power and the suppression of all those who stand their way of attaining that power. Rich, poor, black, white, Jew, Gentile.
It’s much more than just about who owns the means of production.
SteveMG on December 12, 2008 at 10:18 PM
I stopped right there. I didn’t have to read no more. What do they take us for? Fool’s? Hard to say? Best laugh I have had in a couple of days.
Hog Wild on December 12, 2008 at 10:21 PM
Commie.
Hatemonger.
Egomaniac.
profitsbeard on December 12, 2008 at 10:22 PM
BINGO. Someone gets it.
johnsteele on December 12, 2008 at 10:24 PM
Speaking of classless:
Che, the hero of leftists the world over, was a vile racist.
Two quotes from Che:
“We’re going to do for blacks exactly what blacks did for the revolution. By which I mean: nothing.”
Che wrote, “their different attitudes of life separate them completely: the black is indolent and fanciful, he spends his money on frivolity and drink; the European comes from a tradition of working and saving which follows him to this corner of America and drives him to get ahead.”
FreeThinkerNYC on December 12, 2008 at 10:32 PM
I’m sure if alive today he would be Jihad Che.
christene on December 12, 2008 at 10:34 PM
The American ideal and American heroes. Hence, I will not be seeing this movie.
Spirit of 1776 on December 12, 2008 at 10:37 PM
Why make “Che”? What relevance does it have to 2008?
Dreams of my
Father…Reliving the glory days?jerrytbg on December 12, 2008 at 10:42 PM
Che fosters oppression, Che fosters servitude, Che fosters cruelty; more abominable is the fact that Che fosters idiocy.
Tav on December 12, 2008 at 10:51 PM
Viva USSA!
El_Terrible on December 12, 2008 at 10:55 PM
Yeah, ’cause nothin’ says passion like shooting people in the head against a wall, huh, Soderbergh?
CP on December 12, 2008 at 11:07 PM
Well,lets see,
In Obama’s acceptance speech at the Roman Temple Pillars,
at the football stadium,Obama said he was going to create
a million new jobs!
So,after Obama creates all these infrastruture jobs,by
the Liberal Socialist Administration,and after the cash
dries up,and the tax money dries up,and the temporary
jobs also dries up!
Obama will have to deal with all the “Che’s” that he has
created!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Oh on a side note,this reminds me of Bill Clinton’s pledge
to hire 100,000 new police officers during his term,more
smoke and mirrors by the ever sneaky crafty Democrats!!
canopfor on December 12, 2008 at 11:10 PM
As soon as I saw this, I went straight to Babalu Blog. I knew they’d be incensed about “Che”.
“Killer Chic: Hollywood’s Sick Love Affair with Che Guevara”
INC on December 12, 2008 at 11:17 PM
I guess Che would have to pass on the “New Web Browser Caters to Black Americans”
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,465808,00.html
christene on December 12, 2008 at 11:38 PM
Yup, case in point, the greatest tragedy/comedy production evah, the 2008 Presidential election.
m064404 on December 12, 2008 at 11:47 PM
Great a movie to inspire more rich white kids to wear his face on their shirts as they skip merrily to class to learn about how great communism is…..I know I’m excited.
bella710 on December 12, 2008 at 11:50 PM
…let us not forget that what Che was passionate about was killing people he didn’t agree with, fiddling with national power, and posturing…he was only ever good at the latter….
…speaking as someone trained in what Che was supposed to be doing, I can only say that he makes a great icon…he was also a middling writer…he sucked as a guerilla, a commander, a soldier, and paid for his incompetence….
…it’s all about passion today…it was Franklin, I believer, who reminded us that when Madame Passion rules, she seldom rules wisely….
…better: “Wow, is there anything in my life that I do that’s useful to anyone other than myself and my all-too-sensitive, childish and over-active ‘feelings’?”
…we’ve raised a generation of Care Bears…Heaven help us….
Puritan1648 on December 13, 2008 at 12:01 AM
and of course, after watching be sure to visit my SocialoCrats gallery and let me know of if you have any more you think I should add…
Kaptain Amerika on December 13, 2008 at 12:07 AM
Che chic! How I’d love to force these Utopian idealistic elitist fools to live under a Che system, for a few years, without the knowledge that they could come back.
There are few in the world I despise more than Che himself. His followers have no clue what he really was, none, not even an inkling of that reality.
I like best how Che died, like the wuss that he was. And the plankton banks admire him, heh.
Entelechy on December 13, 2008 at 12:15 AM
Ah, yes. Che’s “dream.” Isn’t it great…Oh, and if you don’t agree, why Che will just kill you! Yep. Sounds “dreamy” to me.
Warner Todd Huston on December 13, 2008 at 12:18 AM
Assholes who make statements like this are among the first ones that that communists get rid of . When the commies take power the useful fools become the useless fools.
jellybelly on December 13, 2008 at 12:24 AM
Every communist society has mass murdered its own citizens. Yet libtards today still insist that communism is still a valid political system, “it just hasn’t been done correctly.”
They can’t get their heads out of their a$$es to admit that mass murder is the result communism no matter who does it. There is no other way make the system “work.”
Mallard T. Drake on December 13, 2008 at 12:30 AM
1959
Pigs then, pigs now.
On first account, Rodriguez is a great guy.
Wuss – “Wow, is there anything in my life I feel that passionate about?”
Heh, heh, heh
Entelechy on December 13, 2008 at 12:33 AM
The House That Greed Built
This financial collapse is just the end game caused by the greed is good 80′s. Remember them. By corrupt and immoral unprincipled business practices, practiced by corrupt and immoral greedy people. (prepositional phrase masqurading as a sentence) Just throw in a dash of laziness with a smattering of ego to get a recipe for the collapse of the house of cards. Damn that Michael Douglas (the movie Wall Street),EPA,federal tax regulations,unions,communism,
affirmative action,college loans,womans lib,gay rights, sesame street,domestic violence laws,MADD,child support,restraining orders,divorce lawyers,anything made in Japan,all pornography (except Playboy)and people who don’t work that wear work boots as a fashion statement,seat belts, air bags and emmission standards!
sonnyspats1 on December 13, 2008 at 12:40 AM
All agitators chase the impossible dream. There is no such thing as a classless society.
OldEnglish on December 13, 2008 at 12:53 AM
Has anyone noticed that Christine Gregoire looks a lot like the Grinch.
Kini on December 13, 2008 at 12:54 AM
Che’s ideology is pretty tarnished now. But Pinochet, Batista (spit), and the Argie Junta are also evil trash.
lexhamfox on December 13, 2008 at 12:59 AM
What is this “passionate” they are always so concerned about? It’s as if ideas and principles mean nothing–all that matters is being really steamed, pretending to be a brave hero.
PattyJ on December 13, 2008 at 1:10 AM
Yes…Stamping out Socialism once and for all and putting an end to the baby boomer generations influence and relevance in the world.
Dreadnought223 on December 13, 2008 at 1:10 AM
um, Che wasn’t exactly Karl Marx when it came to communism. Che just like to kill people.
bingsha on December 13, 2008 at 1:26 AM
I have a safe full of Che aficionados. FMJ ones.
Limerick on December 13, 2008 at 1:46 AM
Wow, what an analogy for the world of islam as well. All muslims want the world united under islam, they just argue a little over the method.That is why they are largely quiet about mass terrorist killings by fellow muslims. They may disagree with the method, but they recognize they share the same goal with their brother muslim.
BTW how many people did che kill?
redshirt on December 13, 2008 at 1:50 AM
Anything past zero marks him.
Limerick on December 13, 2008 at 1:52 AM
He had better hope that his movie isn’t as stupid and banal as his description of its purpose. But maybe that’s all in keeping with the whole “Che” feeling?
progressoverpeace on December 13, 2008 at 2:44 AM
Che was a wuss
joeswampy on December 13, 2008 at 2:47 AM
I enjoy spreading Che’s Whip on old crackers.
It makes me think of a dead man with a tastless base. Like communism, idiots don’t realize how bad it is until they have to eat it.
Black Adam on December 13, 2008 at 2:53 AM
Stop in at the Che Mart
Shay on December 13, 2008 at 2:59 AM
If it’s an intellectually honest piece, I’d hope people are too busy asking themselves, “Wow, how do people who sell Che gear live with themselves while peddling the visage of a mass murderer?”
Che was pretty passionate about shooting “Enemies of La Revalucion” in the head at close range while they were bound hand and foot.
Not entirely sure how that sort of figure evokes any sort of healthy passion in a person.
Guess that makes me some sort of “rightwing nutjob”, but if so, so be it…
SuperCool on December 13, 2008 at 4:15 AM
All those bourgoise college kids who worshipped this guy from 1968 to today, the teachers who knew two or three facts about him but loved having a mythic hero for “radicalizing” the youngsters and the parents who had no idea about the guy their kids idolized, all have been fools for this killer. Another fool is born every second to worship demagogues.
A recent heartwarming development was the CHE posters on the walls in The One’s campaign offices.
And no libtards, I’m not worried that you will kill me. I’m worried about the kind of government fools like you are trying to foist on the rest of us. Worse than the one Seven Percent Solution described.
IlikedAUH2O on December 13, 2008 at 4:58 AM
More distortion of history garbage from the “I’m so far gone left that I’ve lost touch with reality” crowd.
Done That on December 13, 2008 at 5:09 AM
Well said. And, also, what the Left in the entertainment industry is all about.
I’m curious if Politico, as also Soderbergh, the two starring actors and the screenwriter of “Che” are going to plow those profits back into “society”.
No?
I’m betting they’re all enjoying a higher standard of living than most while opining about how everyone (else) should be servicing “the revolution” to float their lifestyles.
S on December 13, 2008 at 5:43 AM
And Che Guevera was a homoicidal maniac. He murdered and slaughtered at will and then tried to call that his “revolution.” Same thing Castro has done. Using either or both as models of anything to follow or emulate is further madness.
S on December 13, 2008 at 5:45 AM
…homicidal maniac. But probably also the first version, too.
S on December 13, 2008 at 5:45 AM
Says the makers of a movie about a guys who’s on as many tee shirts and hats as Mickey Mouse.
I DECLARE PHOTOSHOP CONTEST! Come up with the wackiest and most offensive Che merch!
fusionaddict on December 13, 2008 at 6:30 AM
For example…the CHE GUEVARA MONEY CLIP~!
http://www.buckleshop.com/images/mc17626.jpg
fusionaddict on December 13, 2008 at 6:31 AM
+1, er 2
pugwriter on December 13, 2008 at 6:48 AM
The biggest problem I see with Boobies is that they leave giant, stinking piles of crap everywhere. They are also pretty expensive to feed because the really only like raw fish which stinks in its own right.
Boobies are great but I’d ave to recommend a parakeet because they are easy to take care. They also don’t bite as hard as boobies do.
jmarcure on December 13, 2008 at 7:31 AM
That’s what we call socialism, which is communism that you can vote for.
Gwillie on December 13, 2008 at 7:33 AM
“Wow, is there anything in my life I feel that passionate about?”
I am sure people had the same feeling after seeing a Jonestown bio pic.
RobCon on December 13, 2008 at 7:53 AM
Che draws fans because of his looks. If he looked like Harry Reid he would have already been forgotten.
The long hair and Jim Morrison meets neandathral look seems to attract as many men as women, which is a bit creepy in itself. The man was a sociopathic murderer, who wanted to kill Americans. Gee, what’s not to love?
Hening on December 13, 2008 at 8:09 AM
when the profit motive is removed it is replaced by the concentration camp and whoever has the guns.
rob verdi on December 13, 2008 at 8:16 AM
“To crush your enemies, to see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentations of their women.”
I can’t remember if this was from Che the Barbarian or Conan the Barbarian. One had better directors and production values…
karl9000 on December 13, 2008 at 8:20 AM
Imagine someone making the same argument circa 1985, with regards to South Africa…
kiltedscotsman5 on December 13, 2008 at 8:31 AM
Funny how there is a double standard between Cuba and South Africa.
Che was a monster. That much said, I liked the Motorcycle Diaries (showing Che in his youth traveling through Argentina on his bike). It was a good movie. Whether Che remains a good movie remains to be seen, but mere passion is not good or bad or something to be celebrated. T.O. has passion. Hilter and Stalin had passion. Saddam had passion. So what.
Mr. Joe on December 13, 2008 at 8:52 AM
I assume this movie is free?
rhodeymark on December 13, 2008 at 8:56 AM
Oh, perfect! LOL!
Meanwhile, Cuba is not a classless society.
You have the rich government thugs–
and the extremely poor.
Which is where we’re headed.
Kumbayah, ya’ll.
Joan of Argghh on December 13, 2008 at 9:07 AM
Does it matter? We’re already “paying” when we hear these rationalization on Che’s methodology. If only he could have found a kinder, more loving way to kill of his rivals and achieve world domination. In hind site, something more hopey-changey might have worked better for this poor, misunderstood piece of lying, murderous scum.
Oops, sorry for that Josey Wales segue…
karl9000 on December 13, 2008 at 9:12 AM
All Barbarians have passion. They are passionate about acquisition of power by any means necessary. Che was a killer, period. His picture was in some of Dear Leader’s campaign offices. Whatever that means, I don’t know. But, I’m sure not comfortable about it.
kingsjester on December 13, 2008 at 9:40 AM
TresChe Chic.The WSJ reports today that 42% hispanic, Dallas, TX voted to rename a major street after that charming latin hero and matinee idol, Che. Apparently the Anglos and AA’s didn’t find the idea so charming, so there’s a brouhaha.
Illegal immigration. Coming to a town near you.
JiangxiDad on December 13, 2008 at 10:13 AM
Ya know, an appropriate “review” of this film would be to force the producers of this farce to live under the same conditions that Che’s victims had to-and that experience would be supervised and authenticated by a select number of Che’s surviving victims.
And it would also be for a time determined by those victims,but unknown to the “newly liberated” producers.
Yup. That would work for me!
My passion? I want my liberty back and I’m willing to fight at whatever level is needed to regain them.
Amendment X on December 13, 2008 at 10:17 AM
THIS.
Are you gay? Not that there’s anything wrong with that… ;)
fossten on December 13, 2008 at 10:22 AM
Liberals strain for any so called evidence of capitalism’s failure. Specifically when it is here in America. The Big 3 going under,, fraud in the stock market,, a rise in unemployment. They will create stories about the so called hungry and America,, the so called victims of big business.
But,, what of the victims of communism?
One could probably argue that in some of these communist nations,, the dead may be the fortunate ones. At least for some of the dead,, their suffering may have ended. Accept for those at the top of the food change,, the vast majority endure fear, starvation and intimidation on a daily basis.
No,, they can and will not see it. They glorify prison states like Cuba and idolize murderers like Che while vilifying WalMart.
JellyToast on December 13, 2008 at 10:22 AM
Another good example of moron celebrities idolizing murderers.
Remember this?
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/the-hollywood-stars-bag-that-shocked-a-nation-454460.html
Here’s a nice picture of the moron and her cool bag. Can you believe how stupid she must be??? She really had to have thought she would be making points with the peasants by showing a picture of their old glorious leader on their bag!!
http://gatewaypundit.blogspot.com/2007/06/cameron-diaz-her-trendy-marxist-bag.html
JellyToast on December 13, 2008 at 10:30 AM
Why do you assume I’m male?
Don’t know what a booby is do you?
I even had lots of hints in there.
Well for the ignorant amongst us.
Wiki – Booby
jmarcure on December 13, 2008 at 10:48 AM
You assume that they don’t know of the murders and that if they did they would object.
How many people were slated to die according to BO’s former terrorist buddy? Wasn’t it something like 25 million would have to die for the cause? The liberals know that communism brings mass execution but they consider it just part of the process to eliminate the unwanted people that would complicate the future. Kind of like the way they view abortion. It’s not really murder because they really aren’t people or are too defective to be considered the same as people so it’s not only alright to get rid of them, it’s a moral obligation of the great society.
jmarcure on December 13, 2008 at 11:04 AM
These Hollyweird fools have been complaining about living under a supposed ‘Che’ system for the past eight years, and now wonder why they can’t live lives like their ‘hero’. There is no bottom to the crap in these libs’ ‘minds’.
eaglewingz08 on December 13, 2008 at 11:16 AM
+1…and I’d like to raise you a six pac of one of God’s finest creations, BEER.
Wyznowski on December 13, 2008 at 11:30 AM
Exactly. It wasn’t just the number that horrifies it is circumstances of the executions. Humberto Fontova’s book Exposing the Real Che Guevara And the Useful Idiots Who Idolize Him is a great book to get into the hands of those fooled by the T-shirt icon. It’s a brief and easy read but very enlightening. The perfect holiday gift for the deluded teen in your life.
Disturb the Universe on December 13, 2008 at 11:38 AM
That’s actually Chavez they want it named after.
I might be OK with it – if along with it there’s a big campaign to educate people on why Chavez HATED illegal immigrants – he knew what they did to wages.
sloopy on December 13, 2008 at 12:48 PM
Oh come on guys, don’t be so hard on this movie.
What would all the bitter washed-up stars and snot nosed brainless kids have to crow about without it? ;)
Ryan Gandy on December 13, 2008 at 2:25 PM
What profits? Hollywood accounting is the most creative in the world. Every penny of the gross is somehow written off by some accounitng trick. Art Buchwald sued over “Coming to America.” He was supposed to get a percentage of the profits. He had to sue because Paramount kept showing that there were no “profits.” His advice was to get a percentage of the gross.
Pelayo on December 13, 2008 at 3:03 PM
Passionate People:
–Rosie O.
–9/11 hijackers
–Jimmy Swaggart
–Jimmy Carter
–Code Pinkos
Do we need any more? I think not.
hillbillyjim on December 13, 2008 at 3:44 PM
Are we supposed to feel that way after watching, say Triumph of the Will
ddrintn on December 13, 2008 at 3:50 PM
Another interesting thing to note about the leaders of those countries when all those atrocities were committed is the fact that they were all self professed Atheists.
Dreadnought223 on December 13, 2008 at 4:00 PM
That is very distressing to hear. I told my wife just yesterday after I set off the alarm at 6am and woke everyone if I was getting Alzheimers.
Chavez, not Che. Radishes, not Revolution. God help me.
JiangxiDad on December 13, 2008 at 5:07 PM
Dreadnought223 on December 13, 2008 at 4:00 PM
Yeah.
And just to head off any possible retort about Hitler – which usually comes up when someone mentions Communism and atheists – he was so deep into the occult and that weird pagan blood religion revolving around himself and the Aryan race that it was crazy.
Ryan Gandy on December 13, 2008 at 11:18 PM
Conservatives can make movies too. Make the movie “The Real Che.”
Mojave Mark on December 14, 2008 at 8:57 AM
Meh. When mega-death is the result, both are execrable.
ddrintn on December 14, 2008 at 11:05 AM
the tool responsible for the oceans movie franchise is talking smack about profit motives. wtf were his motives with the oceans movies? or all his movies? spare me the holier than though high horse bullshit.
anna on December 14, 2008 at 12:01 PM
Bush is Hitler. Che is a hero.
What a world.
spmat on December 14, 2008 at 12:29 PM
Che was just another scumbag who used the promise of a utopian society as a path to power and abuse of everyone that supported him. He got less than he deserved.
If I have to make one with for humanity it’d have to be that they all wake up and realize that as humans, utopia is an impossibility. Only then will humanity learn to live within it’s possibilities and improve it’s general situation.
Until then, we have to deal with asshat dictators and sock puppets in chief.
Spiritk9 on December 14, 2008 at 5:11 PM
ddrintn on December 14, 2008 at 11:05 AM
Agreed.
Never intended to imply that Hitler was anything other than a SOB on wheels.
Ryan Gandy on December 15, 2008 at 1:22 PM