How the West must win
posted at 7:30 pm on December 12, 2008 by Ed Morrissey
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If the West expects to defeat radical Islamist terrorism, it cannot rely solely on the language of secularism, Elizabeth “The Anchoress” Scalia argues in a Pajamas Media column today. To the extent that the West relies on its post-Enlightenment institutions, the radical Islamists will adapt and pervert them; to the extent that the West offers secular arguments and ecumenical bromides, the radical Islamists will ignore us. In order to make progress, the West will have to relearn how to speak the language of faith — and to value its own heritage:
The West loves its court systems, its bureaucracies, its diversities, but jihadists use these tools to further their ends. They will not be legislated, jailed, sued, or celebrated out of existence. Appeasement and the stodgy language of diplomacy will not stop them, either, because “diplomacy” is not the language being spoken in these attacks. The fundamentalists who endorse and commit terror believe they are heaven-bound heroes. First and foremost, they “believe.” Their rhetoric of jihad rides the language of faith.
It is with the language of faith that Islamic terrorism must be engaged and defeated, and therein lies the disconnect for the diplomatic West. Having reasoned itself out of faith, its incomplete arsenal is fit for battle, but not for victory. The West can speak only of borders, boundaries, markets, and measurement. Faith exists beyond boundaries and borders; it defies markets and measurement. The negotiables of the West are worldly and “the world” means nothing in the face of paradise. Islam, like all faith, is not of this world but of the world to come. Islam’s extremists, like all extremists, would like to speed their agenda along.
Jihad is not interested in acquiring land, or money, or even control, which faith understands to be illusory. What these extremists want [13] is submission. To their book or to their sword.
We should consider that Islamic terrorism may not be defeatable, except on its own terms, [14] on the battlefield of the supernatural.
To secularists and avowed agnostics who work to expunge all religious language from governments, that idea is anathema. I doubt it makes many Christians or Jews happy, either. But the war on terror is as much about ideas and ideals as about security and strategy. If one side’s ideas are mayhem in service to transcendence and the other side is thinking about meetings and signed papers, then secular Western diplomacy is boxing with one glove.
Elizabeth makes an interesting argument. In past conflicts between Islam and Western civilization, both sides felt equally comfortable making religious arguments for their own side. The West did not indulge in moral relativism (and neither did the Islamists). Europe under siege did not aspire to rid itself of its religious underpinnings and never allowed itself to believe that such a development would bring mercy from their foes.
Of course, in many ways, the conflict has changed. No longer do entire Muslim nations want to march across Western nations and replace spires with minarets. Their descendants have dwindled to a tiny minority among Islam. However, they retain the sympathy of millions if not tens of millions of their co-religionists for their aims of imposing Islam around the world, as we can see whenever they take offense at editorial cartoons and the like.
If the West has put God on the sidelines, as Elizabeth argues, the Islamists have put him at the center of their offensive. Talking as if God doesn’t exist or is irrelevant to the distance between the Muslim workd and the West obviously has not done much for the West’s credibility. But it’s worth asking whether a religious debate would help much, either. The radicals won’t listen, and the rest of the Muslim world might get even more antagonistic.
In the end, power will be the final arbiter, as it is in almost all human conflict. Until the risk/reward ratio gets to the point where supporting the radical Islamists costs more than it’s worth, we can discuss scriptures until we’re blue in the face without impacting the sympathy and support the terrorists receive from their co-religionists. That doesn’t mean we should keep God on the sidelines — I agree that we have to stop being afraid of our own heritage in this conflict — but that Napoleon’s famous axiom about the Almighty favoring the side with the most battalions will have more application.
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Bring the Crusade, Baby!
Jim62sch on December 12, 2008 at 7:31 PM
nothing wrong with Islam that cannot be fixed with our hands….
sven10077 on December 12, 2008 at 7:35 PM
The U.S. is way too politically correct about this stuff. After 9/11, when I was deployed to take down the Taliban, my orders said “Operation INFINITE JUSTICE“. It wasn’t until after I got there and had been flying there for a while that I learned the name had been changed to ENDURING FREEDOM “because, in the Islamic faith, such finality is considered something provided only by God”.
PC jerkoffs.
Jim62sch on December 12, 2008 at 7:36 PM
You probably should have just sent this in an email to Allahpundit, he is an atheist
mainmann on December 12, 2008 at 7:38 PM
Read the whole Elizabeth Scalia article and print it out to read again. This is a critical point for us to remember and live.
Phil Byler on December 12, 2008 at 7:38 PM
While the West has talked peace,’the moderate Jihadys’
*rolls one’s eyes*,have been preparing,and have been at
war for the last 3,000 years!
Oh,I’ve watched a few documantaries,and from what I see,
the Muslims were on the war-path long before ‘The Crusades’
were in full swing,so to speak!
canopfor on December 12, 2008 at 7:39 PM
The West will have to relearn the language of force when dealing with Islam, that’s the only language it has ever respected.
DFCtomm on December 12, 2008 at 7:40 PM
Since when has “The West” been offering secular arguments towards Islamic terrorists? Is there some giant secular power I don’t know about that’s attempting to sway the terrorists by convincing them that god doesn’t exist?
Nonfactor on December 12, 2008 at 7:43 PM
No doubt Napoleon meant effective batallions.
The framers got it right. The separation of church and state they envisioned has served us well. One should not dominate the other. Islamic blindness to religious principle will be their downfall unless the west is equally blind.
EconomicNeocon on December 12, 2008 at 7:44 PM
The Crusades were a response to Muslim conquest…modern textbooks lie.
sven10077 on December 12, 2008 at 7:45 PM
THE BLOG POST THAT COULD NEVER HAVE BEEN TOLD BY ALLAHPUNDIT!!!1!!1!!!
Blake on December 12, 2008 at 7:45 PM
If this kind of stuff appeals to you, you need to read A Desert Called Peace and Carnifex by Tom Kratman. It’s alternate-history warporn for Americans who hate Jihadis. A guy whose family gets killed in 9/11 attack forms his own mercenary army and takes the war to the Islamists – with no compunctions about torture or the MSM. Crucifies (literally) the terrorists when he catches them, and sells their families into slavery.
He also wrote Caliphate, a good dystopian novel about an Islamized, sharia-law Europe.
Jim62sch on December 12, 2008 at 7:47 PM
I know what I’m getting my mom for Christmas. It’s what Jesus would have wanted.
Nonfactor on December 12, 2008 at 7:48 PM
The ONLY thing preventing true vengence towards the region is our government, if the western system ever implodes Islam will be faced with a lot of angry, trained, ruthless people who agree with them that “grievances justify violence”…..
better to give than recieve.
sven10077 on December 12, 2008 at 7:50 PM
“Post-Christian” Europe is doomed. We here in the U.S. might still have a chance, if the left doesn’t tie our hands behind our backs.
Right now on Fox, they have SSgt Eric Maddox, author of “Mission: Black List #1″ a MUST read! One of the best boks I’ve ever read! Check it out!
Tony737 on December 12, 2008 at 7:51 PM
or receive even…..
*sigh*
sven10077 on December 12, 2008 at 7:52 PM
If not for multiculturalism, political correctness, and white guilt the Muslims could never defeat us. Liberal ideology of cultural and moral relativism is our worst enemy.
The Gates of Vienna blog covers this every day.
DerKrieger on December 12, 2008 at 7:53 PM
I’ve been waiting for this argument to come to the forefront since 9/12/01. However, I though it would’ve arisen much sooner. In fact there was such a delay on it, I thought I had misread the tea leaves. But it seems as though what’s inevitable is inevitable, and it just took a little longer. Look for the Roman Catholic Church to see a revival first; then the more confessional/liturgical protestant churches will follow. These institutions will have the answers to questions that many people will be asking; questions that haven’t been asked for a very very long time. These are interesting times indeed.
Weight of Glory on December 12, 2008 at 7:55 PM
The Islamic faith was spread from its founder in Mecca through the entirety of the Middle East, N. Africa, parts of Asia Minor, and the entire Arabian peninsula within 150 years of its founding. This was accomplished through military might, not proselytizing.
Furthermore, the Crusades began when the Sunni Muslims ran the Egyptian Shia Muslims out of Palestine. Muslims were the first victims of the Crusades at the hands of other Muslims.
darclon on December 12, 2008 at 7:56 PM
I do, every day.
DerKrieger on December 12, 2008 at 7:57 PM
The Crusades were a response to Muslim conquest…
modern textbooks lie.
sven10077 on Dec 12,2008 at 7:45PM.
sven10077: EXACTLY,:)
canopfor on December 12, 2008 at 7:58 PM
Are they really suggesting the best weapon to combat radical Islam is to Christianity? If so, that is absolutely absurd. For the government to turn this into a religious war by endorsing a faith, we’d have to accept the Islamists’ basic premise – that there is a god who cares about what we do in this world and that he’s rooting for one side against the rest. Once we accept this idea, it’s all but over. Religious arguments are what fuel suicide bombers and terrorist jihadists. Islamists are much more experienced in using religion to inspire war lately. If we start teaching our children to think in their manner, many of them will end up being recruited by the enemy.
Sign of the Dollar on December 12, 2008 at 8:00 PM
Indeed, don’t forget that the Muslims were happily “cultural cleansing” all along their merry way….the Holy Lands and North Africa were Christian, the Big Mo’s morons took care of that, it got so bad that the western Euros felt the need to send “peacekeeping missions”….so to speak if you could revive a Christian from the era after he ripped his eyes out at New Sodom he’d ask what has changed with regards to expansionist Islam.
sven10077 on December 12, 2008 at 8:00 PM
IMO the key is that the West needs to acknowledge that Islam is NOT just a Religion.
Its a system of Laws, a system of government, and a system of philosophy.
Heck, they even got their own banking laws.
We need to acknowledge the awful parts (like no freedom of speech, religion, or equal rights) espoused by this system is not compatable with the West… and you either need to acknowledge the supremacy of OUR ways, or leave.
Much like Naziism had some religious components, this new/old philosophy needs to be combated, and outlawed… by loudly condemning and fighting the evils it does, and not allowing them to use “multiculturalism” to defend it.
Romeo13 on December 12, 2008 at 8:01 PM
+1
Y-not on December 12, 2008 at 8:02 PM
Not to argue your main point, but Islam has only been around for about 1,400 years. Pretty much still a freshman in the world religions club.
Kafir on December 12, 2008 at 8:02 PM
In fact, the Theological acumen of the current Pope will play a large part in future of the West.
Weight of Glory on December 12, 2008 at 8:02 PM
…
Was … was that a Dark Knight Returns reference? XD
apollyonbob on December 12, 2008 at 8:02 PM
*whiffle*….
“Onward Christian Soldiers” was regularly sung within the last 100 years and we manage to engage in operations without our people feeling the need to turn themselves into “semi-smart bombs”…..
keep on plugging.
sven10077 on December 12, 2008 at 8:04 PM
It seems apt actually….
driven odd man with weird sartorial taste against homicidal maniac who has lost count of his “statements*”…..
*meaning retired innocents
sven10077 on December 12, 2008 at 8:09 PM
The best way to rid the world of radical Islamist is to teach them the word BAILOUT.
Rovin on December 12, 2008 at 8:15 PM
They are strangely resistant to the worst of western idiocy, Asia will fall to the Kiss of Moonbat before Islamia.
sven10077 on December 12, 2008 at 8:17 PM
Iberia, Las Navas de Tolosa, 16 July 1212, Castile musters 50,000 Knights & men at arms with help from other Christian Kingdoms in Iberia, some French Knights & German Knighta. Muslim force over 150,000 strong trying to end the Reconquista. 12 hours of fighting & 100,000 Muslims dead. 2 weeks of pursuit, 50,000 survivors hunted down & killed. Muslim invasions of Iberia ended with Islam’s misrule in Andalusia finally terminated by Queen Isabella’s Castilians in 1492.
Max47 on December 12, 2008 at 8:19 PM
Not to argue your main point….
Kafir on Dec 12,2008 at 8:02PM.
Kafir: I’m off a tad,but,thanks for that correction.:):)
canopfor on December 12, 2008 at 8:20 PM
Good thing Barack Hussein Obama is about to be sworn in as the President of the United States………..
(/yes………”sarc” unless anyone else wants to pile on.)
Seven Percent Solution on December 12, 2008 at 8:20 PM
Read Robert Spencer, folks.
Disturb the Universe on December 12, 2008 at 8:27 PM
Unless, of course, there is no God, in which case the West has more credibility.
e-pirate on December 12, 2008 at 8:28 PM
G*d is dead-Friedrich Nietzsche
Friedrich Nietzsche is dead-G*d
sven10077 on December 12, 2008 at 8:30 PM
The lie granted by self-deception is:
“In the end, power will be the final arbiter, as it is in almost all human conflict.”
The truth is:
“The ‘will’ to use whatever power a person possesses to win is the final arbiter, as it is in EVERY conflict of human endeavor.”
What we in the United States have witnessed in the past 40+ years is our country involved in several large conflicts without the ‘will’ to finish these wars. Korea, Viet Nam and now (perhaps) Iraq and Afghanistan. The deciding factor has not been the ‘power’ our military has, rather it’s been the ‘will’ of our people and politicians to fight: make the hard, unpopular, decisions.
Honestly, does anyone in this forum believe that the effete metrosexual Nancy’s we see walking in the business towers of any major metropolis of America are willing to fight for his ‘right’ to use his iPhone/iPod? How about the members of NOW – are they going to be willing to fight against honor killing, female genital mutilation or childhood marriage? These things are going on within the borders of America right at present, yet I hear nothing on the evening news about their outrage. Why is that?
Throughout the blogosphere I read of people angered about the foreseeable loss of American Judeo-Christian values, morals and standards – which are being usurped by progressive liberal socialism – yet standing against any firm expression of Christianity in the public arena. How foolish is the conservative base anyway? These ‘values’ didn’t suddenly appear from thin air, propagated by men of good will.
The true followers of Islam have a better grasp on what they believe than most Americans do. Why is it so hard to find a ‘moderate’ practitioner of Islam to speak out against the tactic of suicide bombers? They have the ‘will’ to fight for what they believe in, whereas most Americans don’t seem to believe in anything other than their right to comfort and elitism. If this ‘belief paradigm’ doesn’t change Islam will kick America’s butt through the goal posts of reality. Materialism and relativism cannot fight Islamic belief – and that is what is driving this conflict.
Listen, I’m neither a prophet or the son of a prophet, but America will roll over just like the EU and the UK are rolling over for Islam unless it rediscovers it’s roots of true Christianity and willingness to fight for liberty, freedom and life. Until that happens we’re only fooling ourselves about our capabilities and potential to win this conflict with Islam.
DavidY on December 12, 2008 at 8:30 PM
What about that son of a Hamas leader who converted to Christianity?
Disturb the Universe on December 12, 2008 at 8:40 PM
If the West is to be victorious, or maybe even survive long range, this crapola pretending on the part of some and ignorance or delusion on the part of others that it is just some “Hijacker/radicals of the Great Religion of Islam” that is the problem, and not Islam itself, has got to stop.
MB4 on December 12, 2008 at 8:41 PM
MB4 on December 12, 2008 at 8:41 PM
So true.
Disturb the Universe on December 12, 2008 at 8:42 PM
Islam is an intolerant, anti-liberty, misogynistic totalitarian ideology imperialistically bent on global conquest and the establishment of a despotic, theocratic terror state.
If that chilling understanding isn’t enough to rally free people to fight for their survival and independence, then they deserve to be swallowed up by this backward, brutal buffoonery posing as an “Abrahamic religion”.
profitsbeard on December 12, 2008 at 8:44 PM
Religious Jews speak the language of faith and value their heritage. How is that working out for them in the Islamic world?
MB4 on December 12, 2008 at 8:44 PM
Oh, well then, once the secularists figure out a way to conclusively prove the non-existence of Allah to the entire Muslim world and have them accept it, they can enjoy their “credibility”.
I for one won’t be holding my breath.
Harpazo on December 12, 2008 at 8:45 PM
you can bet Abdul and Achmed will be holding chainsaws and/or knives…..
sven10077 on December 12, 2008 at 8:47 PM
Start by keeping our national industries, Southern and Northern. Then one can lessen the distractions between our citizens. That will allow a stronger case against extremists of the religious kind.
sethstorm on December 12, 2008 at 8:47 PM
Israel’s still there. That alone is impressive enough for me.
Harpazo on December 12, 2008 at 8:47 PM
Are you an Islamic scholar? You seem to understand most of Islams great and wonderful attributes rather well.
Aleph on December 12, 2008 at 8:48 PM
And I’ll be holding my two Sig .45’s. Bring on the chainsaws!
Harpazo on December 12, 2008 at 8:49 PM
I could be mistaken, of course, but somehow I’m not exactly sure you got my point.
MB4 on December 12, 2008 at 8:50 PM
That’s because they don’t need to. They have been invited in and are reproducing at a rate that far exceeds that of their European hosts. They will be the majority in Europe in 20 years.
Disturb the Universe on December 12, 2008 at 8:51 PM
I, or rather the Lord, beseech you as Christ’s heralds to publish this everywhere and to persuade all people of whatever rank, foot-soldiers and knights, poor and rich, to carry aid promptly to those Christians and to destroy that vile race from the lands of our friends. I say this to those who are present, it is meant also for those who are absent. Moreover, Christ commands it.
- Pope Urban II
MB4 on December 12, 2008 at 8:56 PM
Peace through superior fire power.
Disturb the Universe on December 12, 2008 at 8:58 PM
This war is, at its very core, a holy war.
This is definitely a crusade worth fighting!
TheMightyQuinn on December 12, 2008 at 8:58 PM
Yup they would not allow themselves to get rolled unlike their descendants in EUtopia today.
sven10077 on December 12, 2008 at 8:59 PM
TheMightyQuinn on December 12, 2008 at 8:58 PM
Add “for” after fighting and you have yourself a nice little poem. You end the sentence with a preposition, but that’s okay; you have poetic license.
Disturb the Universe on December 12, 2008 at 9:00 PM
I’ve sadly have to study Mohammadism for over two decades, in enlightened self-defense, and know that the Koran is a late gnostic heresy, their “prophet” a plagiarizing pedophile warlord, and Islam an attempt to reverse the agape development of the Deity back to the violent pre-Job period of cosmic jealousy and irrational terror.
Nothing good is going to come of it.
Unless you like a tiled prison.
profitsbeard on December 12, 2008 at 9:01 PM
We need more men like Fr Zakaria Botros. He has been featured in several posts at Jihad Watch and is nominated for their Anti-Dhimmi Internationale 2008
“As I love Muslims, I hate Islam,” says 2008 Daniel award recipient Fr Zakaria Botros
INC on December 12, 2008 at 9:02 PM
typo: sadly have = sadly had
profitsbeard on December 12, 2008 at 9:03 PM
INC on December 12, 2008 at 9:02 PM
I concur.
Disturb the Universe on December 12, 2008 at 9:03 PM
Damn, straight. Whether or not the Christian god actually exists, is moot. What matters is the safeguarding of the ideals that the Christian West created and upon which our society has been founded. In that respect, this war needs to be a religious war in the sense that religion is the basis of the culture, and the culture is the basis of freedom and all that other jazz we like.
Once a society goes totally secular it becomes a vacuum which is then quickly filled by any other religious creed that rushes in to fill it. Today, that creed is islam. Too much secularism creates a cultural vacuum and since we know that nature abhors a vacuum, it does not last long. Nor will our society.
The irony is that the very liberty so trumpeted by liberals exists only because of the culture inculcated by the ideals of the Christian west. Take away the Christian aspect entirely, and it will cease to be.
Look at Europe to see what happens when secularism becomes the goal. The culture loses its defense mechanism.
keep the change on December 12, 2008 at 9:05 PM
These are two posts on one of Fr Zakaria Botros’ programs.
Life TV’s Zakaria Botros: “Was Muhammad a messenger from God or Satan?”
This post covers the section in which he looked at prerequisites of a prophet:
and shows that according to Islamic teaching, Muhammad met none of these.
Life TV’s Zakaria Botros: “Was Muhammad a messenger from God or Satan?” Part II
This was about characteristics of a prophet:
In this program:
Again, he read from Islamic texts to prove this.
INC on December 12, 2008 at 9:07 PM
Hence it happened that all the armed prophets conquered, all the unarmed perished.
- Niccolo Machiavelli
MB4 on December 12, 2008 at 9:09 PM
He is a brave and courageous man who is risking his life to expose lies about Muhammad and to share about Christ.
INC on December 12, 2008 at 9:09 PM
Jihad Watch said, “As usual with these shows, viewers were asked to call in and respond to this question, with poll results revealed at the end of the show.”
That show closed this way:
INC on December 12, 2008 at 9:11 PM
I wasn’t born to walk on water
I wasn’t born to sack and slaughter
But on my soul, I wasn’t born
To stoop and knuckle under
A man can learn to steal some thunder
A man can learn to work some wonder
And when the gauntlet’s down,
It’s time to rise and climb the sky
And soon the moon will smolder
And the winds will drive
Yes, a man grows older but his soul remains alive
All those tremulous stars still glitter
And I will survive!
Let my heart grow colder and as bitter as a falcon in the dive
There was a dream, a dying ember
There was a dream, I don’t remember
But I will resurrect that dream
Though rivers stream and hills grow steeper
For here in hell where life gets cheaper
Oh, here in hell the blood runs deeper
And when the final duel is near
I’ll lift my spear and fly
Piercing into the sky and higher
And the strong will thrive
Yes, the weak will cower while the fittest will survive
If we wait for the darkest hour
Till we spring alive
Then with claws of fire, we devour like a falcon in the dive
PercyB on December 12, 2008 at 9:15 PM
How about learning to speak the language of 5.56?
GarandFan on December 12, 2008 at 9:17 PM
7.62 is better for the civillian side of the house since we have a hard time *legally* getting burstfire and it is a hard skill to master anyway….
Bolt action .308s in every house.
sven10077 on December 12, 2008 at 9:20 PM
Praise the Lord and pass the ammunition……….
Secular ideas and institutions can improve people’s lives,
but are hollow
religious faith provides the ‘guts’
Janos Hunyadi on December 12, 2008 at 9:24 PM
I’ve been watching “the West” carefully for some time now. I seriously think you better question your premise.
JiangxiDad on December 12, 2008 at 9:44 PM
To borrow a routine from Glenn Reynolds: in the mail today–Stealth Jihad: How Radical Islam is Subverting America without Guns or Bombs by Robert Spencer.
baldilocks on December 12, 2008 at 9:44 PM
quite….
sven10077 on December 12, 2008 at 9:44 PM
PercyB on December 12, 2008 at 9:15 PM
Nice!
Disturb the Universe on December 12, 2008 at 9:48 PM
Church planting FTW.
TexasDan on December 12, 2008 at 9:51 PM
It depends on what one means when the word ‘progress’ is used. Speaking the language of faith would help greatly IMO in the progression toward victory over those who would see us converted or dead.
baldilocks on December 12, 2008 at 9:52 PM
It’s the internet, so I’ll do some anonymous foolish boasting.
I’ve baptised one former Muslim and had a part in the conversion of two others.
Apart from raising my children, there is nothing of which I am prouder, nor anything upon which I have less reason to boast–it was truly, truly the Lord’s doing.
TexasDan on December 12, 2008 at 9:57 PM
Color me awed at the blessing you received.
baldilocks on December 12, 2008 at 10:01 PM
That’s wonderful.
INC on December 12, 2008 at 10:01 PM
Let’s get ahead of the curve on this one. Wasn’t it World War II that got us out of the last depression? I mean everybody can see the writing on the wall with our current economic woes, and since we know from history how it will go why not get ahead of the curve?
Let’s just have a good old fashioned world war, which is what it is, but only one side is fighting it that way. We can rescue the automakers by putting those assembly lines to work for the defense department, solve the employment crisis, and institute the rationing of natural resources which liberals are in favor of in one fell swoop.
Just A Grunt on December 12, 2008 at 10:08 PM
Yes, Christianity IS the only force in the end that can stand against Islam. This is because it the Faith links perfectly with Reason. It is not absurd. Look how secularism is doing against Islam in Europe. And hopefully, God would be pulling for the Christians and the temporal states/nations that embrace it. Contrary to what liberals say, you CAN fight as a Christian against Islam without all the hate in your heart. Christians fight for their God, Church, humanity, their buddies and even their country, for love.
True Faith + Reason > False Faith, No reason
Being a Christian does not mean you are an effete beta-male who has no God-given right to smite the armies of Islam because they want to conquer the world.
Freedom in America ultimately springs forth from the Christian God. Christ was a warrior, not a pussy.
Sapwolf on December 12, 2008 at 10:10 PM
Are any of our subsequent comments really needed after that? Good show old bean.
abobo on December 12, 2008 at 10:30 PM
I think she’s 100% wrong. The way to beat Islamic fundamentalism is the same way we beat Christian fundamentalism here — a culture of freedom, production, and consumption. iPods and rock ‘n roll are better weapons than M16s against this sort of culture, because they’ll destroy it from within, little by little, as each new generation embraces more and more of western commercialism and consumerism.
Mark Jaquith on December 12, 2008 at 11:31 PM
…irrelevant to the “true believers”, many of whom are themselves willing or are able to find others willing to do the unthinkable: immolate themselves along with the innocent and uninvolved.
…so, if you’re looking at upping the risk ratio, you’ll have to decimate those guys first…which, as Ms. Scalia very correctly argues about our fascination with suicidally adhering to peacetime behavior in wartime, may prove impossible…it will at least get all bogged down in attempts to give soldiers’ work to lawyers…and which can be easily thwarted or at least hobbled by those among our nation who believe that the nation has no business defending itself…given its many “sins”…like capitalism….
…so, I’m waiting and waiting for what I think Ms. Scalia is asking for: put America on a war footing.
Puritan1648 on December 12, 2008 at 11:42 PM
This is like preachin’ to the choir. Everybody here on HotAir knows this stuff, but what about the average Westerner? They live in Fantasyland, totally oblivious to the gathering storm. Some do know it’s there, but they think they can reason their way out of it. For those I steal a line from T1:
“Listen, and understand. Those terrorists are out there, they can’t be bargained with, they can’t be reasoned with, they don’t feel pity, or remorse, or fear, and they absolutely will not stop, EVER, until we are dead.”
Wake up your apolitical friends, smack them out of their delusions. And as Disturb says:
… and Steyn and Blankley and Phares and Podhoretz and Ryan and Horowitz and …
Tony737 on December 12, 2008 at 11:45 PM
To borrow a routine from Glenn Reynolds: in the mail today–Stealth Jihad: How Radical Islam is Subverting America without Guns or Bombs by Robert Spencer.
baldilocks on December 12, 2008 at 9:44 PM
That was a eye opener for me. Not that my eyes weren’t open. I have noticed this for some time. Even been saying it. Is why I worry that our Country is going to see things. Things we have never seen before. Not pretty either…
sheebe on December 12, 2008 at 11:47 PM
…well, for one thing, “Christian fundamentalism” was never a national enemy…it may be your enemy…you may be at odds with those you may dismissively refer to as “Christian fundamentalists”…but they are not an armed enemy at our gates….
…what is more, advocating that we tempt them into frittering their time away with consumer goods, bad and repetitive and derivative music, and the latest in fashionable electronics is hardly a strategy…if your aim is turn the enemy into a bunch of consumerist morons, you might find that they have more iron in their souls than our modern suburban slackers do…what you describe as “freedom” is merely another form of slavery…this to ones own expectation of entitlement, hunger for new toys and adherence to slippery ideals….
…no…the proper application of M16s, along with the will to use ‘em, is a more proper — and dignified — course…after all, it’s one thing to kill ‘em…it would be indefensible to resort to trivializing them first….
Puritan1648 on December 12, 2008 at 11:49 PM
Did Machiavelli by any chance describe Jesus’ armaments?
unclesmrgol on December 12, 2008 at 11:49 PM
PercyB on December 12, 2008 at 9:15 PM
That was incredible. In a way you remind me of manlyrash. Just how you use your words. Real nice to read your writings.
sheebe on December 12, 2008 at 11:50 PM
Three of nine.
These are holes that Islam uses to increase Islam’s chances for dominion
Our greatest threat however is ourselves. We possess huge tools that have the ability to defend all we hold dear but they are completely benign when universal acceptance in the face of ideological threat doesn’t exist.
The west is like a blood cell being attacked by a virus, unless Natural Killer cells get the activating signal, they don’t recognize the threat and the virus spreads unchecked.
When do we get the signal and when do we believe it?
Speakup on December 12, 2008 at 11:57 PM
Ms. Scalia is spot-on. I am nothing short of amazed that western diplos and politicians don’t seem to grasp who these people are an where they are coming from. It’s as though “we” don’t think that way, so “they” cannot possibly think that way, either. Clueless.
By the way, even though I haven’t heard anything in the media about A-jad’s “letter of congratulations” to Obama, I am certain it was another “repent or die” letter like he sent to Bush – which was another example of he west not fathoming the threat.
n0doz on December 13, 2008 at 12:00 AM
Another writer saying the west “doesn’t get it”:
http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/12/obama_and_iran.html
n0doz on December 13, 2008 at 12:03 AM
Not that I know of. But Paul did in his letter to Ephesus.
baldilocks on December 13, 2008 at 12:12 AM
It is obvious that Allahpundit doesn’t understand Scalia’s position else he would not have said this: “it it’s worth asking whether a religious debate would help much, either. The radicals won’t listen, and the rest of the Muslim world might get even more antagonistic.”
The “debate” raging IS religious. The war the Muslims are waging IS religious. They are not waging the war to listen to us; they are intent on converting or killing us. We KNOW what the rest of the Muslim world thinks; it’s in the Koran, and the “mujahideen” are carrying out the dictates of the Koran.
What remains is for us to stand up and assert our Judaeo-Christian faith as something we are willing to fight and die to defend, something for which we are willing to raze the entire Islamic world—if that is what it takes because that is what they understand. We are not willing to kill in the name of our Jo-Cn faith as the Muslims do. We will not send in suiciders to slaughter, but we will wage a just and holy war to defend ourselves and to subdue the aggressors. Note, that this time, as in all Crusades past, we are the defenders, not the aggressors.
We have freedom, production, and consumption RIGHT NOW, and that has not persuaded the Muslims to leave us alone. It has persuaded them, the consumption and freedom part especially, that our system is barren and bankrupt and that we are infidels in need of killing.
Said Kutb, who wrote the manifesto adhered to by Al Qaeda et al, lived in the U.S. at one point. His response to freedom was a Koran-inspired nausea at the incomprehensible world shaped by Judaeo-Christianity: one of freedom, consumption, and production. Unable to bear the idea of such a world, Kutb wrote a manifesto, rooted in the Koran which also abhors it and which is also the source of the jihad against it.
Thus, our response must be to include the one component which gives us the will and the strength to fight: religion. Who’s going to fight for iPods? What has the iPod given us that can sustain us? We say we fight for freedom but we also expect that others understand our implicit message. Freedom itself is not enough to sustain for it depends on and is rooted in the Jo-Cn faith. Without that faith, there is no freedom; for proof, look to the Islamic and communist worlds. In the absence of Jo-Cy, there is enslavement of the will, thought, and heart of man. An iPod can give you enjoyment, but not freedom else that condition would exist wherever it’s sold. Such is not the case.
Freedom is one of the legacies of Jo-Cy; unpinned from its source, freedom devolves into license. Today, we have done enough unpinning that we can see that. The answer to our situation, then, is not more unchecked license, but a return to the faith which guides us in the proper exercise of freedom. If our freedom is not guided by faith, it will soon be guided by the state in imprisonment, and it will be assailed by such as the Muslims with the result that some of us, out of fear, will join them and wage war on us from within.
SilentWatcher on December 13, 2008 at 12:14 AM
The crux of the matter, stated succinctly.
The change I hope for is that come Jan. 20 the BDS will fade away and the Left will end their self-imposed holiday from history.
A tall order, I know…
Bruno Strozek on December 13, 2008 at 12:43 AM
This has always been the tightwire that the Bush Administration has been trying to walk. Bin Laden declared a Holy War and clerics and others still try to claim that the West is trying to fight against Islam. So Bush tried (esp. after the Crusade quote) to never give in to this idea. (Can you say “oil?”) This is why we have to drill and stop holding with the Saudis. There are plenty of secular reasons to fight the good fight against the Jihadis. Let the atheists use them. The fact remains that Islam developed as the anti-Jew, anti-Christian ideology. Jews and Christians have contributed too many positive things to the world to allow Islam a rational voice.
Connie on December 13, 2008 at 1:00 AM
Blah.. Blah.. Blah.. appeasement.. Blah.. Blah… Blah… secular arguments.
Mr. Morrissey, you are a total joke.
The only way to “defeat” the “Islamists” is to deport them. All of them.
That is something you will never support because your idea of universalism matters more to you than the survival of the West.
aengus on December 13, 2008 at 1:02 AM
What a load of crap.
We don’t have to bring back the Crusades or some religious hegemony or revival in order to defeat radical Islam. We have to be true to our modern values. Radical Islam kills many more Muslims than Christians or Jews. Attacks on the West are a side show to the civil war taking place in the Islamic world. We don’t have to surrender… but we don’t have to be like them either.
lexhamfox on December 13, 2008 at 1:05 AM
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