No discussions between Blago and Obama? Maybe

posted at 11:36 am on December 10, 2008 by Ed Morrissey

Yesterday, President-elect Barack Obama tried to distance himself from Governor Rod Blagojevich after his arrest on corruption charges related to his pending appointment to Obama’s now-vacant Senate seat.  Obama himself said that he had had no contact with Blagojevich about the open seat and had no awareness of Blagojevich’s attempts to sell it to the highest bidder.  Even after Jake Tapper pointed out that Obama’s right-hand man, David Axelrod, claimed that Obama and Blagojevich had been in contact, Team Obama issued a denial.

So how do they explain this contemporaneous report from KHQA (via Gateway Pundit)?

Ill. governor meeting with Obama today
By Carol Sowers
Wednesday, November 05, 2008 at 10:39 a.m.

CHICAGO, ILL. — Now that Barack Obama will be moving to the White House, his seat in the U.S. Senate representing Illinois will have to be filled.

That’s one of Obama’s first priorities today.

He’s meeting with Governor Rod Blagojevich this afternoon in Chicago to discuss it.

Jim also has a press release from Blagojevich’s office, but it doesn’t explicitly discuss any meeting with Barack Obama in the same manner as KHQA’s report.  And a search of the two Chicago newspapers, which were in position to report on this story, shows that the KHQA report may not have been accurate.  The Sun-Times reported on November 6th — the day after this report — that Blagojevich himself stated that he had no contact with Obama:

When it comes to filling the remaining two years of Obama’s term, Blagojevich said he intends to turn over the vetting process for Obama’s successor to several high-level staffers in his office whom he wouldn’t name. The governor also said he intends to appoint someone no later than Jan. 1 and possibly before Christmas.

“I’ve never had more friends than I do today. And when I make the final decision, I won’t have nearly as many as I have now,” he said.

Saying he had no favorite candidate yet, Blagojevich said he has not spoken to Obama about the matter but would give “a great deal of weight” to the recommendations the president-elect might make.

The governor said some suitable Obama replacements included Senate President Emil Jones (D-Chicago), Veteran Affairs secretary Tammy Duckworth, U.S. Rep. Jesse Jackson Jr. (D-Ill.), U.S. Rep. Danny Davis (D-Ill.) and U.S. Rep. Jan Schakowsky (D-Ill.) but cautioned against “reading anything into” his naming of those people.

Blagojevich had no particular reason to obfuscate at that point.  In fact, he’d have had more reason to brag, especially since it looks now like Blagojevich wanted to increase the commercial potential for the appointment.  It appears that the KHQA report might have been mistaken, although it’s certainly a good point to pursue if evidence appears of complicity on behalf of Obama or his staff in Blagojevich’s shake-down attempts.

However, KHQA stuck with its reporting on November 8th (via Stop the ACLU):

Duckworth comments on consideration for Senate
By Alexis Hunt
Saturday, November 08, 2008 at 9:48 p.m.

QUINCY, IL — Now that Barack Obama will be moving to the White House, his seat in the U.S. Senate representing Illinois will have to be filled.

Obama met with Governor Rod Blagojevich earlier this week to discuss it.  Illinois law states that the governor chooses that replacement. There’s already been speculation about his selection…from Congressman Jesse Jackson, Junior to Illinois Department of Veterans’ Affairs Director Tammy Duckworth.

Stay tuned!

One last note: I’d say that these five candidates named by Blagojevich could get mixed-and-matched to Candidates 1-5 in the Fitzgerald affadavit.  I bet Blagojevich wished he’d stuck to the idea of a committee selection process now, too.


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The evidence that Obama (and/or his direct aides) met with Rod is obvious from just the comments that Rod made on tape.

The fact that Obama came out and produced an implausible and easily refutable lie to cover his tracks shows that he is not accustomed to any degree of scrutiny.

His inability to lie convincingly on a national stage spells serious trouble for his role as absolute leader…before he has even begun.

The hits have just begun, and his performance thus far has only served to make things worse for himself in the long run. Unless the corruption includes every level of government, and the evidence does not support that assertion, we may be about to witness more Nixonian times in the near future.

Dorvillian on December 10, 2008 at 11:40 AM

Drudge reporting the Jackson-5 angle.

Alden Pyle on December 10, 2008 at 11:40 AM

I swore I heard an ABC radio news segment yesterday suggesting that lucky bachelor #5 was Jesse Jackson Jr.

strictnein on December 10, 2008 at 11:41 AM

The proper question to ask, which will never be asked, is:

“Have any members of your transition team or support staff had direct contact with the Governor specifically about your Senate seat replacement?”

cannonball on December 10, 2008 at 11:42 AM

I think the taped quotes by Blagojevich about Obama make it pretty clear that Obama did nothing wrong. But it’ll be fun to watch you guys grasp at straws for the next week or so.

crr6 on December 10, 2008 at 11:42 AM

I read on another site that Valerie Jarrett was identified as Candidate # 1

luckybogey on December 10, 2008 at 11:42 AM

*sings* “We’ve only just beguuuuuuuuuuuun….”

latinchic on December 10, 2008 at 11:43 AM

People keep missing the larger point with Obama: it was reported yesterday that his land deal with Renzko was the subject to a federal grand jury investigation. It is not every day that a President (or President-Elect) is the subject of a grand jury investigation. Does Obama have any criminal exposure for having Rezko assist him with the buying of his house? If so, that is a risk that the country will have to endure, and it could not come at a worse time…that is a more important story…

RedSoxNation on December 10, 2008 at 11:43 AM

Maybe BHO is having second thoughts about asking Bubba Billy Boy for advice…

singlemalt_18 on December 10, 2008 at 11:44 AM

Seems like a red herring to me. Nothing wrong with Obama telling Blago who his preference for the replacement would be. In fact, I would be suprised if he didn’t. A politician lying to the media? Chuckle. Like that has never happened before.

percysunshine on December 10, 2008 at 11:47 AM

The moving van hasn’t even pulled in the driveway and he’s already awash in scandals. Excellent! I hope these things pop one a month for the next four years. I’ve got plenty of popcorn and lots of Shlitz on ice.

Alden Pyle on December 10, 2008 at 11:48 AM

I have no words to express the schadenfreudinous joy that I would have if both my scummy Governor and my idiot U.S. Representative were to end up in Federal prison.

Rich “Squeaky” Daley – the Trifecta?

Jaibones on December 10, 2008 at 11:49 AM

I heard the Ill. State AG say on FNC that she was Candidate #2 – she was informed of this by Fitzgerald.

HawaiiLwyr on December 10, 2008 at 11:49 AM

Seems like a red herring to me. Nothing wrong with Obama telling Blago who his preference for the replacement would be. In fact, I would be suprised if he didn’t. A politician lying to the media? Chuckle. Like that has never happened before.

percysunshine on December 10, 2008 at 11:47 AM

If it’s “nothing new” with a corrupt politician , why claim it’s a red herring.

A clean politician from Chicago , that would be something new..

the_nile on December 10, 2008 at 11:50 AM

How is this an Obama scandal?

DeathToMediaHacks on December 10, 2008 at 11:50 AM

It strains credulity to think that in a state that has a long history of corrupt patronage and that is headed by a Governor that we now know made a commercial enterprise out of political favors that Obama somehow enjoyed the meteoric and surprising rise out of Chicago to the national stage without participating somehow in this.

That would suggest that the most successful political candidate to emerge from Chicago in years, was not somehow leverage for personal gain by someone. That’s what politicians in that state live for…but they just let this one go?

Hard to believe

AmericanUnderground on December 10, 2008 at 11:50 AM

It’ll be interesting to see how KHQA reporters Carol Sowers and Alexis Hunt follow up on these stories now.

This could be the biggest career opportunity they’ve ever had, if they have the courage to do their jobs as journalists.

Oh who am I kidding. They’ll do anything to cover for Obama just like the rest of our so-called objective media. More “we were mistaken” coming in 3… 2… 1…

Gilda on December 10, 2008 at 11:50 AM

Insert Rev Wright’s Chicken line Here>_________

Firebird on December 10, 2008 at 11:50 AM

The governor said some suitable Obama replacements included Senate President Emil Jones (D-Chicago)

Note his first mention is Emil Jones. Emil sounds like the one who promised Blag 500 thousand and calls himself Obama’s godfather.

Topsecretk9 on December 10, 2008 at 11:50 AM

Leave Blago alone!!! HES A HUMAN BEING!!!!!
*sobs*

abobo on December 10, 2008 at 11:51 AM

“So I was not aware of what was happening”

–Obama didn’t say that his transition team hadn’t discussed this with Blagojevic

jim m on December 10, 2008 at 11:51 AM

I think the taped quotes by Blagojevich about Obama make it pretty clear that Obama did nothing wrong a dirty governor and a obfuscating politician aren’t worth a hill of beans.

fify

Y-not on December 10, 2008 at 11:54 AM

“When I was in England, I experimented with marijuana a time or two, and didn’t like it. I didn’t inhale and I didn’t try it again.”

becomes…

“When I was in Chicago, I met with Rod Blagojevich a time or two, but didn’t like him. We didn’t talk and I didn’t see him again.”

econavenger on December 10, 2008 at 11:54 AM

“One last note: I’d say that these five candidates named by Blagojevich could get mixed-and-matched to Candidates 1-5 in the Fitzgerald affadavit. I bet Blagojevich wished he’d stuck to the idea of a committee selection process now, too.”

Who says there was no committee? Some one has to keep track of the bids.

NotCoach on December 10, 2008 at 11:54 AM

The reporting over at KHQA sucks. Somebody needs to contact Alexis Hunt and ask her if she took notes on any of this. The second article reads like it was sourced only by the first one.

The Sun-Times reported on November 6th — the day after this report — that Blagojevich himself stated that he had no contact with Obama:

A supporting quote in the Sun Times to go with that assertion would trump the newsprint rag reporting at the broadcast news station’s website.

My personal experience is that, for whatever reason, broadcast outlets have serious problems transcribing simple text and getting their facts straight or featured fully online. I’ve sat in on the broadcast news meetings. I think the average woman spends more time putting on her makeup. There’s not a real regard for news from local TV newsers. The average package is 45-90 seconds and facts are stripped in lieu of juiciness.

I could be wrong…but you already know this.

The Race Card on December 10, 2008 at 11:55 AM

Seems like a red herring to me. Nothing wrong with Obama telling Blago who his preference for the replacement would be. In fact, I would be suprised if he didn’t. A politician lying to the media? Chuckle. Like that has never happened before.
percysunshine on December 10, 2008 at 11:47 AM

Exactly. The most telling aspect of this in terms of Obama is that his choice, Valerie Jarrett, pulled her name out of contention weeks ago and got a job as an important Obama adviser. If Obama was willing to “play ball” with Blago, then Jarrett would still be in the running and things would have been promised. As is, the affadavit has Blago cursing Obama (multiple times) for not being offered anything. Or if anything was offered it was small time, something within the bounds of quid pro quo politics. In short, this isn’t an Obama scandal. Obama’s senate seat is involved, btu that’s about it.

DeathToMediaHacks on December 10, 2008 at 11:55 AM

This is the only machine that was corrupt enough to defeat the Clinton machine. This is some scary stuff and quit frankly, the tip of the iceburg.

DJ from MA on December 10, 2008 at 11:56 AM

For Obama to deny discussing his replacement with Rod is plain stupid. Why wouldn’t he have put in a word for a hand-picked replacement – much like what’s going on in New York with Caroline Kennedy?

Now, if Obama meant that he had no part in the “pay to play” discussions, then fine.

SouthernRoots on December 10, 2008 at 11:57 AM

crr6 on December 10, 2008 at 11:42 AM

A running sore that never heals. There will be more. Do you suppose Blago will roll over on Daley? The mere possibility should keep the story alive and well, thriving with constant growth supplements. The most entertaining part is watching Obama try to decide what to do with Fitz.

a capella on December 10, 2008 at 11:58 AM

“Contradictions on contradictions.”

Huh? When George Bush expressed “contradictions” between actionable intelligence and facts on the ground the Left & their minions in the MSM called them “lies”.

Would it be too much to ask for a little consistency here?

Uh, question asked and answered…

Bruno Strozek on December 10, 2008 at 11:58 AM

Note his first mention is Emil Jones. Emil sounds like the one who promised Blag 500 thousand and calls himself Obama’s godfather
Topsecretk9 on December 10, 2008 at 11:50 AM

You and facts need to have a stronger relationship. Emil Jones would be chosen as a kind of placeholder, someone who would vote down party lines for two years and retire so their could be a more legit election. However, Obama would not want Jones in the office because that’s two years of seniority building down the drain.

And yes, Emil introduced Obama to all the right people when he wanted to move from being State senator to the Senate during the 2004 election. But there was nothing untoward about their relationship. Jones was a mentor. Just because the word “godfather” was used doesn’t mean we should jump to conclusins.

DeathToMediaHacks on December 10, 2008 at 11:58 AM

Exactly. The most telling aspect of this in terms of Obama is that his choice, Valerie Jarrett, pulled her name out of contention weeks ago and got a job as an important Obama adviser. If Obama was willing to “play ball” with Blago, then Jarrett would still be in the running and things would have been promised. As is, the affadavit has Blago cursing Obama (multiple times) for not being offered anything. Or if anything was offered it was small time, something within the bounds of quid pro quo politics. In short, this isn’t an Obama scandal. Obama’s senate seat is involved, btu that’s about it.

DeathToMediaHacks on December 10, 2008 at 11:55 AM

Trolls , stop your incest here , and go back to axelrod.

the_nile on December 10, 2008 at 11:58 AM

Also…Camp Obama blew this one. Look for some advocacy reporting to make sure we all understand that Obama is clear of any wrongdoing.

Too bad both sides only see objectivity as meaning to go after the other side instead of being a purveyor of FACTS.

The Race Card on December 10, 2008 at 11:58 AM

But it’ll be fun to watch you guys grasp at straws for the next week or so.

You wish this will be over in a week.

eyedoc on December 10, 2008 at 11:58 AM

Check out the item in the Headlines on the Blago Timeline:

Most people have misunderstood the timeline of the Blagojevich Senate scandal. Pretty much everything fits except Barack Obama’s statement yesterday that he knew nothing about it.

If we didn’t have Obama’s denial to contend with, the actions of all the parties, including those purporting to speak for Obama, are consistent with Obama and his staff learning about Blagojevich’s corrupt plans on Monday, Nov. 10.

Consider the timeline, as revealed in the complaint and press reports:

He goes on to put together the pieces in chronological order and concludes:

Yet, looking at this timeline of Blagogate, it seems quite possible that someone in the Obama Camp is either lying or at least not revealing what they know. I also find it hard to believe that Obama’s closest advisors were hiding major corruption from him, especially as he was making decisions about where to place Senate candidates such as Jarrett.

Something important is missing from this story. Let’s hope that, whatever it is, the absent fact or explanation will allow the narrative to fit Obama’s denial more naturally.

Since by all accounts, the Obama camp refused Blagojevich’s bribery attempt, it would be extremely unwise to lie about it. Remember, it’s not the crime that trips you up; it’s the cover-up.

INC on December 10, 2008 at 12:00 PM

Senate candidates that would embarrass Obama:

Jesse Jackson jr., William Ayers, Rev. Wright…who else?

If Blago knows he is screwed and thanks Obama thew him to the wolves, if I was him I’d quickly make an embarrassing appointment for revenge on way out the door.

pass the popcorn

jp on December 10, 2008 at 12:00 PM

Seems like an easy enough thing to check. Either he met with the Governor or he didn’t. The schedules of a President-Elect and a sitting Governor aren’t entirely state secrets.

YYZ on December 10, 2008 at 12:00 PM

Personally, I find it hard to believe Obama would be involved in this. He was just elected to become the next President, why would he even entertain something like this? No matter who Blago appointed it would be another yes vote for any Obama supported legislation. And for Obama Illinois politics should be so yesterday now. There is no upside for Obama in getting involved in this scandal.

NotCoach on December 10, 2008 at 12:01 PM

Four years of this…………………?

(Insert Scandal Here)

Obama: “I had no knowledge of (scandal)…….”

YouTube Clip of Scandal hits the blogs, and wouldn’t you know it, Obama knew of the (scandal)……

Obama’s unidentified aid: “He mispoke……”

(New Cabinet position “Secretary of Cover Up” goes into full court press)

Press: “Obama had no knowledge of (scandal), now move along, nothing to see…….”

Next day………….. (Insert Scandal Here)

Repeat…. (it’s the Chicago way after all…. graft, greed, and corruption are just the way we do things around here, so shut the f#ck up!)

And with the Clinton cover up machine back in power, too….

…………….. I don’t have a good feeling about this.

Seven Percent Solution on December 10, 2008 at 12:01 PM

How is this an Obama scandal?

DeathToMediaHacks on December 10, 2008 at 11:50 AM

Jesse Jackson, Jr. the national co-chair for the Obama campaign.

Alden Pyle on December 10, 2008 at 12:01 PM

Drudge reporting the Jackson-5 angle.

Alden Pyle on December 10, 2008 at 11:40 AM

Jackson 5. I’m dying.

faraway on December 10, 2008 at 12:02 PM

Those last words are the key:

Remember, it’s not the crime that trips you up; it’s the cover-up.

Last night Jake Tapper wrote:

Obama sources say the silence is for two reasons: 1) this is a criminal investigation and they want to be careful about what they’re allowed to say, and 2) they want to talk to everyone, make sure they know just who spoke to whom, and then be able to give one definitive answer with no subsequent shoes dropping.

They’ve already denied things that are easily proven from past transcripts and reports.

INC on December 10, 2008 at 12:03 PM

“I’ve never had more friends than I do today. And when I make the final decision, I won’t have nearly as many as I have now,” [Blagojevich] said.

Now that he’s been indicted for bribery, Blagojevich probably has a lot fewer friends, jumping off his bandwagon like passengers off the Titanic.

Welcome to the bottom of the Obama bus. How’s the axle, Rod? (pun intended)

Steve Z on December 10, 2008 at 12:03 PM

Time for the Dems to change the subject again, and fast.

“Can I have “Bailout” for $800 Alex?”

fogw on December 10, 2008 at 12:05 PM

Just about time for Obama to announce a “major speech on corruption” to settle all this.

faraway on December 10, 2008 at 12:06 PM

Last night Jake Tapper wrote:

Obama sources say the silence is for two reasons: 1) this is a criminal investigation and they want to be careful about what they’re allowed to say, and 2) they want to talk to everyone, make sure they know just who spoke to whom, and then be able to give one definitive answer with no subsequent shoes dropping.

They’ve definitely got to know who said what to whom, when dealing with Patrick Fitzgerald. For what can go wrong, see Libby, I. Lewis (Scooter).

Don’t know what other shoe will drop, but now that it’s on another foot, I’ve become a Fitz fan. If the shoe Fitz, swear it?

Steve Z on December 10, 2008 at 12:09 PM

“Just about time for Obama to announce a “major speech on corruption” to settle all this.

faraway on December 10, 2008 at 12:06 PM”

And I am sure Chris Mathews will tell us how it is the greatest speech since God spoke to Moses.

NotCoach on December 10, 2008 at 12:09 PM

Blagojevich amateur!

Dr Evil on December 10, 2008 at 12:10 PM

Jesse Jackson, Jr. the national co-chair for the Obama campaign.

And so Obama told Jackson to let Blago bribe him? Connect the dots for me. We don’t even know what, if anything, Jackson might have done worng. Just because someone tries to bribe you doesn’t make you a criminal.

DeathToMediaHacks on December 10, 2008 at 12:11 PM

So after Obama is impeached, we get Biden?

What happens after we impeach Biden?

How many Democrats can we impeach in four years?

And will we ever get to anyone who isn’t absolutely worthless and completely corrupt?

I say no.

But let the process go forward.

NoDonkey on December 10, 2008 at 12:17 PM

And so Obama told Jackson to let Blago bribe him? Connect the dots for me. We don’t even know what, if anything, Jackson might have done worng. Just because someone tries to bribe you doesn’t make you a criminal.

DeathToMediaHacks on December 10, 2008 at 12:11 PM

It matters not, as long as he is continuously linked either personally or through associates, to scandal after scandal in some way, it will erode confidence and people will begin to wonder “Whazzzup? Seems like every one he knows is a terrorist, a criminal, or a racist.”

Alden Pyle on December 10, 2008 at 12:19 PM

Fitzgerald needs to invite Obama for an interview under oath before he’s officially the President.

econavenger on December 10, 2008 at 12:19 PM

Barry has had weeks to make thousands of calls. One of those calls (or meetings) had to go to the corrupt governor of his own state. To believe otherwise is just silly. Barry will have to revise and extend his remarks.

thegreatbeast on December 10, 2008 at 12:20 PM

And I am sure Chris Mathews will tell us how it is the greatest speech since God spoke to Moses.

NotCoach on December 10, 2008 at

Watch out, Chrissy. No telling when that tingle up your leg might turn into a festering chancre.

SKYFOX on December 10, 2008 at 12:20 PM

So after Obama is impeached, we get Biden?

What happens after we impeach Biden?

How many Democrats can we impeach in four years?

And will we ever get to anyone who isn’t absolutely worthless and completely corrupt?

I say no.

But let the process go forward.

NoDonkey on December 10, 2008 at 12:17 PM

With Dems in control of the House and Senate the prospects of impeachment are nil.

thomasaur on December 10, 2008 at 12:21 PM

Rush is right, as usual; we are living in a sitcom.

Brat on December 10, 2008 at 12:21 PM

Fitzgerald needs to invite Obama for an interview under oath before he’s officially the President.

econavenger on December 10, 2008 at 12:19 PM

… Christmas morning, as a present to all Americans.

Alden Pyle on December 10, 2008 at 12:21 PM

How is this an Obama scandal?

Well, let’s see:

1. Obama represented (for a mere 120 days) the State of Illinois in the Senate.
2. Obama is acknowledged to be close, personal friends with Antoin ‘Tony’ Rezko. Resko is now behind bars and singing like a jaybird.
3. Obama got his start in Chicago politics. No one gets anywhere in Chicago politics unless someone else ‘Brought’ him.
4. There have been four Illinois Governors indicted on corruption charges. Three have gone to jail. If te charges are proven, not only ‘Honest Rob’, but his Chief of Staff, wife and maybe even the SEIU Capo might be spending quality time at Uncle’s expense.

Gee, looks like Obama has some serious ‘splainin’ to do. Bill Clinton at least waited until he was in office before springing ‘Hillarycare’ on the nation and, thus, beginning his own scandal plagued administration. I don’t think Obama is smart enough to dodge that reputation.

SeniorD on December 10, 2008 at 12:23 PM

I heard the Ill. State AG say on FNC that she was Candidate #2 – she was informed of this by Fitzgerald.

HawaiiLwyr on December 10, 2008 at 11:49 AM

What’s her name please?

Oink on December 10, 2008 at 12:23 PM

Let’s check out the calls / emails on that Blackberry, Barry. I bet one is to Rod the Mod. (nice 70′s pornguy hairdoo, by the way)

Alden Pyle on December 10, 2008 at 12:23 PM

Last night Jake Tapper wrote:

Obama sources say the silence is for two reasons: 1) this is a criminal investigation and they want to be careful about what they’re allowed to say, and 2) they want to talk to everyone, make sure they know just who spoke to whom, and then be able to give one definitive answer with no subsequent shoes dropping.

So there’s a major criminal investigation, and therefore the Obama team says they have to get together and get their conflicting stories straight before speaking?

Ummm….isn’t that exactly what you’re not supposed to do? Fitzgerald may want to interview some people about these ongoing discussions.

econavenger on December 10, 2008 at 12:25 PM

So after Obama is impeached, we get Biden?

What happens after we impeach Biden?

NoDonkey on December 10, 2008 at 12:17 PM

Barry could kill his girlfriend on live tv, and it would lead nowhere. Some parties are immune to this sort of thing.

Vashta.Nerada on December 10, 2008 at 12:27 PM

Right about now would be a perfect time for Vera Brown to come back stateside and get a cush job at a DC Real Estate firm.

It would be nice to see steam coming out of Michelle Omarosa-bama’s ears as he gets sworn in.

Alden Pyle on December 10, 2008 at 12:27 PM

Fitz is going to hit Blago, but I don’t think he’s after Obama. He went out of his way to indicate that the President-Elect was not involved, from what I’ve read of the press conference.

As to Libby parallels, there is a double standard at play. Libby was a poor substitute for the actual target of the Plame investigation, Rove-Cheney-Bush. Blago is the target, maybe implicating Daley if possible. I think Obama’s in the clear, or will be in the eyes of “Justice” and the MSM.

Fitz is making himself famous by bringing down part of the Chicago machine. I don’t think he’s gonna try to pull in the President-Elect, and he may not be able to even if he wanted too.

cs89 on December 10, 2008 at 12:28 PM

The schedules of a President-Elect and a sitting Governor aren’t entirely state secrets.

YYZ on December 10, 2008 at 12:00 PM

We’re talking Chicago!

Oink on December 10, 2008 at 12:28 PM

I did not have sex conversation with that woman man

petefrt on December 10, 2008 at 12:32 PM

Fitz is going to hit Blago, but I don’t think he’s after Obama. He went out of his way to indicate that the President-Elect was not involved, from what I’ve read of the press conference.

As to Libby parallels, there is a double standard at play. Libby was a poor substitute for the actual target of the Plame investigation, Rove-Cheney-Bush. Blago is the target, maybe implicating Daley if possible. I think Obama’s in the clear, or will be in the eyes of “Justice” and the MSM.

Fitz is making himself famous by bringing down part of the Chicago machine. I don’t think he’s gonna try to pull in the President-Elect, and he may not be able to even if he wanted too.

cs89 on December 10, 2008 at 12:28 PM

The Prez elect was not implicated in the indictment. That could mean “just not yet.”

Oink on December 10, 2008 at 12:32 PM

Ed, the base has called in and needs you to fix the headline:

No discussions between Blago and Obama? Maybe Right.

Mark30339 on December 10, 2008 at 12:38 PM

Fitz is making himself famous by bringing down part of the Chicago machine. I don’t think he’s gonna try to pull in the President-Elect, and he may not be able to even if he wanted too.

cs89 on December 10, 2008 at 12:28 PM

I suspect you’re right. Fitz is looking out for his own career, and he’s probably looking more to comfort Obama that he’s ‘safe’, rather than annoy or threaten him.

Regardless, Obama will can him if he thinks he needs to.

petefrt on December 10, 2008 at 12:38 PM

I think the taped quotes by Blagojevich about Obama make it pretty clear that Obama did nothing wrong. But it’ll be fun to watch you guys grasp at straws for the next week or so.

crr6 on December 10, 2008 at 11:42 AM

I would pay good money for a virtual-reality video game that let me see the world like a Democrat does.

I envision being cast as a perpetual public university slug living in a bizarrely flat world of gray-toned Mac products and, punctuated with pink triangles and banana stickers that pop-up and cover any stray reality or inconvenient fact that wanders into my field of vision. I’d also like to see how the Groupthink code was implemented.

TMK on December 10, 2008 at 12:38 PM

This is just a distraction.

dinkyjackson on December 10, 2008 at 12:42 PM

Fitz could just approach Barack as a friendly witness with some information on rejected bribe hints or requests. Once he’s under oath he naturally would make himself a target by lying.

econavenger on December 10, 2008 at 12:42 PM

Oink:

Answer: Lisa Madigan, daughter of IL Speaker Michael Madigan.

Barnestormer on December 10, 2008 at 12:42 PM

OK before I get too deep into this discussion let me just say the following. I’m not one of those over-the-moon Obama supporters. I don’t think the man walks on water. I don’t think he’s divine and I definitely do not believe that he is 100% clean. Because he is a politician. “Clean” and “politician” do not go in the same sentence, especially if you want to become President. Now that said. I think, comparatively, Obama is one of the cleanest politicians not only to emerge out of Chicago (a feat in itself) but to ascend to the Presidency. The Rezko thing is oh so par for the course for politicians who always get deals here and there on their homes. It happens in both parties. The reason why people didn’t care as much about Obama’s scandals is that they seemed so minor in comparison to what had come before in terms of either Bush or Clinton. And I think that’s a pretty logical assesment. I mean, the the thing that hurt him the most was where he chose to go to Church, a pretty non-corrupt act.

Now here’s the thing. I am BAFFLED as to how Obama managed to get people to just do thing for him, like Emil Jones, without getting his hands dirty. With the exception of clearing the playing field in his first election via disqualification, Obama really hasn’t done anything in his political life (that we know of yet) that is too bad. Part of it is that he just hasn’t been involved in politics all that long.

1. Obama represented (for a mere 120 days) the State of Illinois in the Senate.

Oh so everytime a Governor commits a crime every eleceted official in the state is guilty by association? Does that work in reverse as well? If so Sarah Palin is screwed. Oh wait, it’s totally irrational to blame a senator for what a Governor does.

2. Obama is acknowledged to be close, personal friends with Antoin ‘Tony’ Rezko. Resko is now behind bars and singing like a jaybird.

Until Tony Rezko says something that implicates Obama that story isn’t going anywhere further than it did during the election.

3. Obama got his start in Chicago politics. No one gets anywhere in Chicago politics unless someone else ‘Brought’ him.

This is what’s so interesting about Obama’s early political career. He had an institutional base in Chicago via his community organizing work and in each of his elections he squared off *against* the black machine candidate in his district. Alice Palmer for State Senate. Bobby Rush (unsuccesfully) for Congress and a host of challengers in the Democratic Senate primary. When you read the interviews of his state senate colleagues, particularly those deeply enmeshed in Chicago politics, he caught flack for being aloof during his early years in the state senate, in short, he didn’t play the game. When it came to the Democratic senate primary, all of the other candidates were mired in scandal and kind of self destructed, he didn’t need to make deals. AND, most importantly, the man has always been a whiz bang fundraiser. Rezko definitely raised money for him, but he had so many other money trains while in Chicago and we saw what he did in the general. So it’s a big of a mistake to say that by virtue of being from Chicago he is corrupt. His history actually tells us he managed to emerge clean…it’s creepy, unexplainable and yet, the truth.

4. There have been four Illinois Governors indicted on corruption charges. Three have gone to jail. If te charges are proven, not only ‘Honest Rob’, but his Chief of Staff, wife and maybe even the SEIU Capo might be spending quality time at Uncle’s expense.

How is than an Obama issue?

DeathToMediaHacks on December 10, 2008 at 12:43 PM

Rush highlighting the new talking point that Rowdy Roddy is going to start to lie about Obama.

That means he has dirt on the Prez-E.

econavenger on December 10, 2008 at 12:45 PM

How is this an Obama scandal?

DeathToMediaHacks on December 10, 2008 at 11:50 AM

bwahahahaa
Every troll working a right side blog is posting this same comment this morning.

james23 on December 10, 2008 at 12:46 PM

This is just – as Michelle would say – a snort. I was at a disability conference yesterday when the story broke. The attendees from Illinois weren’t all that surprised They said that the deaf community in Illinois has their own unique sign for Governor Blagojevich.

Normally, the sign for a governor would involve moving your hand from the top of the head in a downward motion, indicating a high-ranking authority.

For Blagojevich, you make two fists, and put one hand on top of the other at the wrist. Handcuffs.

Midnightrain on December 10, 2008 at 12:50 PM

What happens after we impeach Biden?

NoDonkey on December 10, 2008 at 12:17 PM

Madam President Pelosi.

We get a twofer (fist black then first woman POTUS) all in one shot.

Sir Napsalot on December 10, 2008 at 12:52 PM

The reason why people didn’t care as much about Obama’s scandals is that they seemed so minor in comparison to what had come before in terms of either Bush or Clinton. And I think that’s a pretty logical assesment.
DeathToMediaHacks on December 10, 2008 at 12:43 PM

You destroyed any credibility right there.

a capella on December 10, 2008 at 1:03 PM

Fitz is making himself famous by bringing down part of the Chicago machine. I don’t think he’s gonna try to pull in the President-Elect, and he may not be able to even if he wanted too.

cs89 on December 10, 2008 at 12:28 PM

Unless, of course, BlagoRod is just p.o’ed enough at the big O to spill his guts to Fitz in exchange for a ‘deal’…it might go like this:

Inside BlagoRod’s head (eewwww!): #*## PEBO! He wouldn’t play the game with me so here I am facing years in the slammer w/o my hairdryer and mousse. If only he had gone with a deal I wouldn’t be in this mess…hey, I’ve got an idea! blah blah blab away…Rezko this, Emil that…blab away…

LEBA on December 10, 2008 at 1:09 PM

How is than an Obama issue?

DeathToMediaHacks on December 10, 2008 at 12:43 PM

You media hack, everyone knows that Obama wasn’t AGAINST the Chicago machine, so anytime another of his Dem allies is found lying, again, it must have a very bright light shown on it. The same the libs did anytime Bush/Cheney/et al. sneezed.

kirkill on December 10, 2008 at 1:10 PM

I worked for the county government surrounding a major east coast city.

Nothing was done with bribes and connections and numerous people walked through the corruption without becoming corrupt a bit. The idea of crooked elections and deals with family and friends and friends of friends never was conceived! And the Democratic party never did anything like extort funds from a children’s hospital.

I was a tiny stone at the side of the road so I was never lucky enough to get involved. Maybe this corruption in Cook County has nothing to do with The One in the same way. The fact that I could never give a cool million to a hospital my wife worked for may have had something to do with it, also.

So the leftie trolls win yet again!

IlikedAUH2O on December 10, 2008 at 1:13 PM

George W. Bush rules.

IlikedAUH2O on December 10, 2008 at 1:16 PM

“Blagojevich had no particular reason to obfuscate at that point. ”

Sure he does. It’s his get-out-of-jail-free card.

notagool on December 10, 2008 at 1:23 PM

Can’t Obama at least wait to get into office before lying?

Chuck Schick on December 10, 2008 at 1:32 PM

Rush is right, as usual; we are living in a sitcom.

Brat on December 10, 2008 at 12:21 PM

Well, they’re movin’ on up. To the east side.

George and Wheezy. Now thats comedy.

BobMbx on December 10, 2008 at 1:32 PM

Byron York at The Corner has part of a transcript of an LA Times interview with Obama from yesterday. Obama denies that he personally has spoken with Blago, but look at this part:

Q: Are you aware of any conversations between Blagojevich or [chief of staff] John Harris and any of your top aides, including Rahm [Emanuel]?

Obama: Let me stop you there because . . . it’s an ongoing…. investigation. I think it would be inappropriate for me to, you know, remark on the situation beyond the facts that I know. And that’s the fact that I didn’t discuss this issue with the governor at all.

It certainly looks as if Obama knows what ongoing discussions were taking place.

INC on December 10, 2008 at 1:39 PM

If you are doing a shady deal would you be likely to announce who you have been talking with about it?
Of course Blago would deny it on Nov 6th.

Rocks on December 10, 2008 at 1:40 PM

Since by all accounts, the Obama camp refused Blagojevich’s bribery attempt, it would be extremely unwise to lie about it. Remember, it’s not the crime that trips you up; it’s the cover-up.

Fitz will put them under oath. Just ask Bill Clinton how perjury affects you.

Entelechy on December 10, 2008 at 1:40 PM

Watch the next Obama press conferences, happening, not happening, how often, “I will not address this as the investigation is on-going, bla, bla, bla…”. It’s going to be the closed administration all of a sudden.

“Hope and Change” – we asked for it, we got it. We deserve it.

Entelechy on December 10, 2008 at 1:42 PM

Blagojevich said he has not spoken to Obama about the matter but would give “a great deal of weight” to the recommendations the president-elect might make.

I have not talked to Obama about his…wink wink….but he as president elect I would certainly listen his his deal first.

Rocks on December 10, 2008 at 1:43 PM

Hope nobody is going to accuse Obama of tap dancing because that would be racist.

whitetop on December 10, 2008 at 1:44 PM

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