I can’t really speak for why women did not see Bill Clinton as sexist. It could be because his cabinet was stacked with important women, Madeline Albright and Janet Reno, for example. Conservatives have such a limited view of what women voters can be.

Who are you kidding with this twaddle. Liberal women like liberal men would vote for the devil himself if it meant keeping political power. This moronic posturing in all your posts is laughable.

Never forget that Bill “blue dress” Clinton was accused of rape on national TV and as the spokesperson for NOW quipped, thank god for the statute of limitations. Clinton is the most reprehensible misogynist that has ever stalked the White House. The women that voted for him told the world everything we needed to know.

You are the person with the hangup about women. Palin, who came out of nowhere, showed up because of her accomplishments. The fact that she was attractive was a coincidence. You have not a clue about a Margaret Thatcher and her attraction to conservative men.

The reason that most liberal women are ugly has nothing to do with their bodies, if it does its a coincidence.

Not a commendable moment, perhaps, but it’s a joke. Really, have we become such pantywaists that we can’t tell the difference between a joke and “denigration”, “disempowerment”, and “humiliation”?

is way off. it may be meant as a joke but why the sexual objectification? it’s to humiliate and to take her down a few notches like only a sexist act or remark can do. as a woman in corporate america, i’m not saying you’re surrounded by this everyday, but it’s definitely present and it’s meant to “cut you down” a bit.

Why, in part, was Palin chosen? Because enough of the (white) male electorate would have the hots for her.

DeathToMediaHacks on December 10, 2008 at 10:30 AM

Wait, what? Where do you get that from? Is there a single scrap of evidence to back that up? Sure, Palin is attractive compared to a lot of politicians, but if you didn’t know who she was, you wouldn’t look twice if she passed you in the mall with her family. I don’t understand the sexualization that so many of her opponents bring into their arguments.

It wasn’t conservatives taking upskirt photos of Palin, it was the liberal, supposedly professional, photographers of Reuters and the AP.

Despite what the Palin-bashers say, it’s not her pulchritude that attracts conservatives – it’s her record and her upbeat, can-do attitude. Check this quote from a woman who attended Palin’s open house:

Denise Spencer flew north from Yorktown, Va., for the open house and the chance to meet Palin.

“I said, ‘OK, this is what I want for Christmas,’” she said. She’s also considering moving here.

Palin, she said, inspired her to become involved with politics again and she volunteered for the McCain-Palin ticket.

“She’s straightforward – what you see is what you get,” Spencer said.

And yes the actual behavior by Favreau was stupid juvenile anctics more appropriate to a drunken frat boy than to someone who works for the President -Elect.

But regardless – it is not justifiable and people who think it not funny don’t deserve to be dismissed as lacking a sense of humor. Things stop being funny when it is your own ox being gored. I doubt that much interracial humor is so quickly dismissed as “just a joke” – rather even innocent comments get called racist immediately.

Would people have thought it funny if it had been Hillary kneeing a cardboard figure of young speechwriter in the crotch? No it would have been unprofessional and stupid – why isn’t what the guy did just as inappropriate?

If you want to be a player in the grownup world you probably should act like one.

Because conservatives think all women want to get married, they don’t understand why they would vote for someone who has such a cavalier attitude about his marriage vows.

So, let’s recap. Conservatives don’t understand why liberals would support a man who cheats on his wife and lies about it publicly when caught, given their predisposed attitude that all women want to be married.

This makes even less sense than your first statement. I’m gonna have to take the afternoon off just to find a causal relationship here.

The double standard is out there, but among conservatives it’s the audacious claim that Palin is too weak to handle what happens to ALL national politicians when they screw up. People laugh at them mercilessly.

I’m sure when you wrote “People laugh at them mercilessly” I’m sure you mean you meant to add “with the exception of Barack Obama.” Maybe you’ve forgotten this, but shortly after he announced he was running for President, he made a beeline to NYT columnist Maureen Dowd, the Palin-hater who co-wrote Vanity Fair‘s Fey cover story. His message: He didn’t appreciate Dowd talking about his big ears.

While every senility and incontinence snark written since the vaudeville era was revived for John McCain, I don’t recall any such “mercilessness” when it came to The One. With the exception of a few jabs when people treated him too much like a heaven-sent conquering hero, ten-foot poles went unused, and are still gathering dust. Joe Biden got some knocks, but nothing like that gaffe machine deserved, and nothing like the schtuff they piled on Palin.

And while Palin got the “slightly altered” treatment, Nancy Pelosi — who in reality is the bimbo they portray Palin as — is played straight down the middle. I dare you to read Pelosi’s words verbatim with a Fey-as-Palin accent and tell me that she’s not MORE deserving of Palin’s public image.

Of course, if you’ve got some examples of Hollywood types giving Obama the kind of shots fired at Palin, feel free to link the YouTube videos. We’ll compare hit numbers.

DeathToMediaHacks on December 10, 2008 at 11:40 AM

Madeline Albright came on in the second term..

as ambassador to the UN during the first Clinton Term.. not that much of a high profile job..

only way that The Stache, Bolton, was so high profile is because of the politicking that went on with his nomination

Sometimes people forget that video tape has been invented and it remembers.

Long version here.

In many instances Fey merely took things Palin had said and slightly altered them.

DeathToMediaHacks on December 10, 2008 at 11:35 AM

Well, not quite. The writers did the “slightly altered” part and Fey merely delivered the lines. She did her job very well (even Sarah thought she was funny) but it isn’t “her” production alone. Just like the song “Barracuda” isn’t solely Ann and Nancy Wilson’s song just because they performed it.

There was a SNL skit from years ago about this phenomenon of image versus work. It was a secretary being fawned over at a party as if they were at the pinnacle of social achievement.

Good one. Now, explain why liberal women helped re-elect Groper-in-Chief Billy Bob. After all, they’re obviously more enlightened, and less likely to fall for old stereotypes than conservative men.

I can’t really speak for why women did not see Bill Clinton as sexist. It could be because his cabinet was stacked with important women, Madeline Albright and Janet Reno, for example. Conservatives have such a limited view of what women voters can be. Because conservatives think all women want to get married, they don’t understand why they would vote for someone who has such a cavalier attitude about hismarriage vows. Or rather, why they’d care more about the symbolism of Albright as Sec of State than they would the symbolism of Bill Clinton being a philanderer (a powerful philandering man, shocker).

I don’t knwo how Bill would have done with women post Monica. Because Monica represents a workplace sexual harassment, we won’t ever really know.

Imagine if a horse started crawling around on its belly like a cockroach. You’d say, gee, that’s a horse but it’s acting quite beneath its dignity. You wouldn’t say, oh well, horses will be horses. You’d say, something’s very wrong with that horse.

Surely one or two of you on this thread understand what the problem is here?

jeff_from_mpls on December 10, 2008 at 9:29 AM

There’s whole subgroup here that fits this description and yet berates the heck out of those of us who make the same observation as your illustration.

My conclusion is that they do not care what they look like as long as they can compel the rest of us to ignore the negative aspects.

And as for the “scurrilous” attacks. Fey has an excellent point. No one said that Will Ferrell was being “mean” to George Bush and those skits were 100% fiction. In many instances Fey merely took things Palin had said and sligtly altered them. Was it mean because it was so devastatingly accurate, whereas Ferrell’s Bush was just funny because he acted a general buffoon? The double standard is out there, but among conservatives it’s the audacious claim that Palin is too weak to handle what happens to ALL national politicians when they screw up. People laugh at them mercilessly.

Despite her critical acclaim and accomplishments as an actress,* fact is she’s not a superstar on her own merits quite yet; Her movie Baby Mama did well considering its low budget, but wasn’t a blockbuster ($63.8 million B.O. worldwide, $30M budget, ranked #42 in 2008 as of today); Her SNL spoof series 30 Rock is a huge hit among industry insiders and took home a basket full of Emmy Awards, but has been on life support in the Nielsens since it first went on the air.

Presuming — as I am sure the showbiz crowd is doing — that Governor Palin will not return to the national stage as a serious player, I think Fey fears that unless she can parlay her fortuitous physical similarities to Palin into something completely different, those three months in 2008 may well be her crowning moment as a performer, and that it’s all downhill from Election Day.

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*I refuse to use the gender-neutral term “actor” for females until both sexes compete for one “Best Actor” trophy come award season.

At least it’s still safe to be vulgar, exploitive and harrassingly sexist to conservative women. Selective outrage is so persuasive.

Mark30339 on December 10, 2008 at 9:41 AM

Yup. Except these little twinkies might have their hands full if they messed with a Sarah Palin-type. She’s more man than either of them.

The lesson to this episode is that people — and especially young people — need to get it that nothing goes unrecorded and untransmitted anymore. Nothing. That they were stupid enough to act this way on camera is a sign that they’re not as smart as they think they are.

Let me correct you. Conservatives judge women in these simplistic, playboy ways.

Good one. Now, explain why liberal women helped re-elect Groper-in-Chief Billy Bob. After all, they’re obviously more enlightened, and less likely to fall for old stereotypes than conservative men.