Democrats on a streak
posted at 1:10 pm on December 9, 2008 by Ed Morrissey
I’m waiting for a call to the courtroom here on jury duty, after slogging my way through sloppy roads from last night’s snowstorm in Minnesota. I don’t have too much time for in-depth blogging, so I’ll stick with some quick observations for the day.
In the matter of Rod Blagojevich, has anyone else noticed that the Democrats have a losing streak in governors? Over the last four years, they now have three of them charged with crimes in office. Jim McGreevey resigned from his post in New Jersey after appointing his gay lover to run the state’s Homeland Security effort, which distracted people from the pay-to-play scandals that had begun to dog his administration. Eliot Spitzer had to resign after federal investigators discovered that he utilized the same kind of call-girl networks that he targeted for state investigations. Now Rod Blagojevich finds himself in federal custody for official corruption.
That doesn’t mean that Republicans don’t have a history in governorships. George Ryan preceded Blagojevich and retired before he got indicted, and now he’s serving time in prison. John Rowland got bounced out of Connecticut’s governorship for wire and tax fraud. Those happened two presidential cycles ago, though, and since then the Democrats — who won the 2006 midterms on the basis of official corruption — have lost three major state governors.
That 2006 election allowed voters to punish Republicans for the crimes of people like Randy “Duke” Cunningham, Bob Ney, and the peccadilloes of Mark Foley. Will they do the same in 2010 after this streak? Republicans lost Ohio after the scandals that surrounded Bob Taft. Can Republicans rebound in Illinois, New Jersey, and New York as the party of reform?
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I’m not holding my breath. Suffice to say, Democrap corruption is evidently beyond investigation, according to themselves.
But get a confused Republican in a bathroom-all hell breaks loose.
Hmmm….
Badger40 on December 9, 2008 at 1:14 PM
It is just hard for me to believe that the people we elect are dishonest…when did this start?
Greed reaches across the aisle, more often then honor…
right2bright on December 9, 2008 at 1:14 PM
Why bother?
long_cat on December 9, 2008 at 1:15 PM
Yep, its all about Hope and Change!
dmann on December 9, 2008 at 1:16 PM
Since many Americans aren’t even aware that Dems control congress and the media suddenly forgets to report party affiliation whenever a Dem screws up, I seriously doubt this will hurt their chances in 2010.
PBoilermaker on December 9, 2008 at 1:16 PM
Breaking… Polticians are a dirty breed.
BadgerHawk on December 9, 2008 at 1:17 PM
No.
Tinian on December 9, 2008 at 1:17 PM
Let’s not forget NY’s Gov Patterson was allegedly having affairs with state workers, and may have improperly used state monies to pay for his hotel rooms.
NJ’s Corzine was also involved in some shady deals with his girlfriend who was some sort of party/union official. And has ties to the financial meltdown.
Small stuff probably, but for a Republican, the mere allegation would be enough to force resignation
Iblis on December 9, 2008 at 1:17 PM
As a resident of Illinois, the answer to this question is no. This will be viewed as the problem of one Blago. Where George Ryan was viewed as a Republican party problem. The unfortunate unfair rules of the road.
WashJeff on December 9, 2008 at 1:18 PM
Probably not, as the news they read and/or watch won’t scream “DEMOCRAT” at them every third sentence of these stories in the way they screamed “REPUBLICAN” in the other scandals.
Blacklake on December 9, 2008 at 1:18 PM
Photoshop of Obama’s next press conference:
http://tinyurl.com/688ms7
Exurban Jon on December 9, 2008 at 1:18 PM
The “Change We Need”. Chicago style.
HornetSting on December 9, 2008 at 1:19 PM
Hey… I’d love for this guy to take over as either Governor or Senator from IL. in 2010. http://www.house.gov/kirk/ I know that y’all probably consider him a RINO since he’s a social moderate, but he’s in line with IL, won against an Obama wannabe in a very tough Republican year, and is very good on fiscal issues (no earmarks!!!). My father met him when he was at my job and was very impressed. :)
All IL residents should also thank former Senator Peter Fitzgerald for demanding the appointment of Patrick Fitzgerald. The guy basically lost his Senate seat (which went to Barry) because he stood up to the Combine.
Illinidiva on December 9, 2008 at 1:20 PM
Actually, this Christmas Season has been wonderful for the GOP:
1. New govenor polls show our brightest stars, Palin & Jindal, are by far the most popular governors in the nation.
2. Coleman wins the MN recount. (Not over yet, but looks good)
3. Chambliss wins run-off election in a massive landslide.
4. Republican Cao win House-seat run-off election in Lousiana, a district where the Democrats hold a 40 point registration advantage.
5. Corruption s*** hits Obama’s Illinois in a huge way. Might result in new GOP governor and new GOP senator.
Norwegian on December 9, 2008 at 1:21 PM
I’m more optimistic. The Republicans just have to get the right candidate.
Illinidiva on December 9, 2008 at 1:22 PM
Alan Keyes!!!!!!!!
joke ok…
ScottG on December 9, 2008 at 1:25 PM
Um, no. First, they’ll have to get rid of the corruption within their own ranks…not talking Ted Stevens out of running again isn’t a good sign (though he did lose, a blessing in disguise). Then, they’ll have to have the cajones to actually call the Dems out on their corruption. You know the media will play the ‘Name That Party’ game with the Dems, so its up to the GOP to pound that theme. I don’t see very many willing to do it as much as is required…
changer1701 on December 9, 2008 at 1:26 PM
A couple of differences. First, the media endlessly touts the connections between ousted, corrupt republicans and those republicans facing election. Not so with dems – it’s being spun like Obama and Blago hardly knew each other.
Second, this will be big news for all of 3 days, then forgotten. Meanwhile, the Washington Post did a multi-week series on the Abramoff affair.
BuzzCrutcher on December 9, 2008 at 1:26 PM
NY and NJ are too blue and infested with democratic cronyism.
We have a complete whore-mongering idiot in NJ and a totally incompetant cretin in NY. Both should be easy to unseat by a landslide in an election-but NY and NJ are too stupid and too controlled by liberal morons to do it. They also receive uncommonly biased protection in the media. That says a lot after the mess of irresponsibly biased journalism of the 2008 election.
wildweasel on December 9, 2008 at 1:26 PM
I’m more optimistic. The Republicans just have to get the right candidate.
Illinidiva on December 9, 2008
Sorry. They’ve all fled the state.
SKYFOX on December 9, 2008 at 1:27 PM
Dear Leader:
“I did not have fiscal relations with this governor, Rod Blagovich.”
Republicans need to hammer hard on this pattern of corruption amongst Democrats: Blago, Rangel, Wm Jefferson, Chris Dodd, Eric Holder & the Mark Rich pardon. Etc.
rbj on December 9, 2008 at 1:28 PM
my family is in NY state government. most registered democrats. one, who works in higher ed, is definitely a moderate democrat…but openly dreads democrats running NY state. He’s said numerous occasions, after his political allies won office, that “its great, because guys like pataki and bruno arent runnign the show anymore…time for more higher ed money…but its also terrible, because democrats ARE running the show…time for more nosy directors of such and such asking for 8 times as many reports and insisting on callin all the shots”
ernesto on December 9, 2008 at 1:28 PM
Better question: Can Republicans rebound in Virginia, Ohio, Indiana, Florida, New Mexico, Nevada, Colorado and Iowa as the party of conservatism?
Bruno Strozek on December 9, 2008 at 1:28 PM
The trouble is, the Dems have lost three governors, but not three governorships. Corzine in NJ, Patterson in NY, and, I’m guessing, whoever is the Lt. Governor in IL will probably step in.
New Jersey, perhaps. No chance in New York. The Republican congressman left here (four or five, I think) are hanging on with their fingernails. And the corrupt Republican Senate just went Dem. Sorry for the raincloud, but it’s gonna be bleak for Republicans in NY for a long time.
Pope Linus on December 9, 2008 at 1:28 PM
The media’s influence is waning. Expect tons of MSM print media to close shop, and viewership to drop. Already happening, my friend.
Norwegian on December 9, 2008 at 1:29 PM
.
Thank God for rural America.
I love it out here.
Badger40 on December 9, 2008 at 1:29 PM
No. IL and NJ are one-party states. NY is almost a one-party state.
What irritates me is that the Democratic Party is never held accountable for corrupt politicians within high ranks within the party. When Republican office-holders engage in corruption or bad acts, the party gets punished (e.g., Mark Foley, Larry Craig, Bob Ney and Bob Taft in Ohio, etc.) When Democratic office-holders engage in corruption, the voters just view it as a problem peculiar to that office-holder and promptly vote in a new Democrat.
I live in deep blue territory in Ohio (northeast Ohio), and routinely see guys in county and local government get re-elected despite massive wrongdoing and corruption on their watch. Great, high quality Republicans run nice campaigns against them and get 30% of the vote. The result, where I live, is incredibly poor government and no effective leadership… But that’s a story for another day.
Outlander on December 9, 2008 at 1:30 PM
Please stop… Not funny.
Illinidiva on December 9, 2008 at 1:31 PM
It is just hard for me to believe that the people we elect are dishonest…when did this start?
right2bright
July 5, 1776
Old Country Boy on December 9, 2008 at 1:32 PM
Speaking as a New Yorker, wildweasel, you hit the nail on the head. Most New Yorkers are too stupid and are being led by the nose by NYSUT, CSEA, liberal politicians, etc., to have any idea of what is in store for them.
Some of the Dems are already talking about raising my property taxes, again, to cover this incredible budget deficit. Again! And my wife and I really don’t make much money.
The beautiful, income tax-free state of Tennessee is looking better by the day.
Pope Linus on December 9, 2008 at 1:32 PM
Bright side: it makes Obama look very very good for being above it all and not interested in Blagojejcnsvnrnvch’s corruption.
Dave Rywall on December 9, 2008 at 1:32 PM
Corzine also had the car crash where his car was speeding and he got all messed up because he wasn’t wearing a seat belt. Small stuff again, but it’s still the “the law is for little people” type of thing.
forest on December 9, 2008 at 1:33 PM
Um… No, there are still Republican Congressman in IL. I posted my preferred candidate and Congressman above. He’s pro-choice, but is also very good on fiscal issues.
Illinidiva on December 9, 2008 at 1:33 PM
The best hope for Illinois is to have the non-Chicago area residents say no too any Chicago-area candidate, the Democrats elect a chicago-area candidate in 2010, and the republicans do not. Then the republican run ads asking Illinois if they want Cook country running the state?
WashJeff on December 9, 2008 at 1:33 PM
It’s because Republicans at least pay lip service to higher standards. Democrats don’t seem to care, as long as their guys win elections.
ddrintn on December 9, 2008 at 1:35 PM
I hear FOX News is running endless loops of Obama kibbiztng with Blagojevich.
That will have to do until the Rezko land deal case explodes.
pseudonominus on December 9, 2008 at 1:35 PM
WHAT? He’s a Democrat? I never would have known from watching CNN’s coverage of the story. Seriously, in about the 10 mins I watched, not once was it mentioned what party be belongs to.
angryed on December 9, 2008 at 1:37 PM
You know, you are right. Does anyone know why it is that every major (over 500,000 population) city in the United States is overwhelmingly Democrat? What about urban life attracts liberal people?
I lived in Boston for about three years – definitely a dense urban area. A few things I noticed were: (i) I had much more direct contact with poor people (e.g. beggars on the street, poor people on public transportation) and (ii) I was more dependent on government services (government trash pickup, bus/train service, plus I walked around more so I cared if the city was cleaning sidewalks–esp. in winter). It was way too dense for me and I’m glad I got out of there, but from a sociological perspective, I wonder if that type of thing doesn’t make urban dwellers become more liberal.
I expect some media organizations to get nationalized under our Glorious Leader’s reign. If the government runs PBS and NPR, why can’t the government also directly run the New York Times and NBC News? I mean, they’re a propaganda arm for the Democrats anyway, what’s the harm in making it official?
Outlander on December 9, 2008 at 1:38 PM
Priceless!
Me thinks that the DNC is a criminal enterprise
under the guise of a political party!
Or vicey versa,or sumpin like dat,anywho,it really
smells to high heaven!
—————————————–
Welcome to the Liberal thug party!
Specializing in bribes,voting fraud,corruption,
Spitzer uses tax payer money,all charges dropped,
Barney”The Banking Queen” tanks the world economy,
Bagorich tries to sell a Senate seat,and its a
never-ending lying,cheating,perception/deception
tactics!
My o My,its the roaring dirty 30′s of the Liberal
Party,and they still haven’t changed their criminal activities!
canopfor on December 9, 2008 at 1:39 PM
In NY the Republicans are practically indistinquishable from Dems to begin with.
Pataki and Rudy never built up the lower ranks of the party when they had power. Conservatives in NY don’t have access to the levers of power. Its all union thugs and big lib media.
Iblis on December 9, 2008 at 1:40 PM
I lived the first 50 years of my life in Chicago and all I ever heard, growing up, was “the Democrats are for the unions and working people”. It took the abortion issue in 1973 to wrench my husband and me away from the Dems. Our relatives and friends back in Chicago are still spouting the same old line of crap. It’s age-old and won’t go away easily. Some people are dumb as stumps. BTW, we love it down here in northwest Missouri.
missouriyankee on December 9, 2008 at 1:41 PM
Can Republicans rebound in Illinois, New Jersey, and New York as the party of reform?
Be careful what you wish for. Do we really want Gov. Rick Lazio as the up-and-coming face of the national GOP?
Kenno on December 9, 2008 at 1:41 PM
Hmmmm wasn’t it democrats who were trying to pin Palin on items that she could do even as Gov.?
Multiple democrats for that matter. I wonder if they are getting investigated?
upinak on December 9, 2008 at 1:42 PM
Governors are on a roll.
“Once you go black, you don’t go back”.
Entelechy on December 9, 2008 at 1:42 PM
Seems to me like Tony Rezko is singing to the Feds. He was very close to both Blago & Obama in his corrupt dealings. Much more to come….
Norwegian on December 9, 2008 at 1:42 PM
Culture of Corruption
BWAHAHAHA!!!
HaRRy&Pelosi’s Po$$e
The Dems
Auctioning off Senate seats since 2006
normsrevenge on December 9, 2008 at 1:44 PM
This topic was out there ahead of the elections but the media chose to sit on it, being in heat and all…The fun has just begun, and we haven’t even seen the beginning.
Entelechy on December 9, 2008 at 1:44 PM
How to get Republican Governors and Senators in Illinois: Let the rest of Illinois secede from C(r)ook County. Republicans get elected in IllinoiSouth, and Democrats keep up the Al Capone tradition in DaleyBlagObamaville.
Or maybe we need a distant descendent of Mrs. O’Leary’s 1871 cow to kick over another lantern…
Steve Z on December 9, 2008 at 1:46 PM
Our own governor of Washington, Christine Gregoire, should have been investigated for influence-peddling during negotiation with Native American tribes for gaming revenue.
What she did was kid glove larceny. These charges against Blagojevich, if proven in court, would be analogous with manslaughter in any other city. In Chicago, just a day at the office.
bryanmyrick on December 9, 2008 at 1:46 PM
Try to find the word Democrat in the Washington Post coverage of this story.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/12/09/AR2008120900987.html?hpid=topnews
angryed on December 9, 2008 at 1:47 PM
Now is the time for the rightsphere blogs,
the talk radio programs to light this up as
a raging verbal political wildfire as to
who really is the Party of Fraud and Crime,
Because if it was The Republicans,like (Rowan
and Martins laugh-In,you can bet your ‘sweet
bibby’) the Marxist Socialist Media(MSM)would
be hammering this in a grand journalist orgasim!
canopfor on December 9, 2008 at 1:48 PM
I believe big cities are Democrat bcs
You hit the nail on the head. I have lived in some big cities: LA, San Antonio, Seattle & some others.
City people who grow up knowing nothing else somehow overwhelmingly become liberal & I believe much of it is bcs of what you said.
City people become detached from the reality of real life.
When you live in rural areas where more of your life is somehow connected to animals & survival, you start understanding the reality of real life.
You know where your food comes from & what it takes to produce it.
You know that you need the good will of your neighbors on occasion.
It still amazes me how city people who come out to the country can be so ignorant, egotistical, elitist, condescending etc.
If there was no rural America, their lives would be even more dependent- upon countries who really hate us.
As an aside-What do you think about the safety of your food supply? If you’ve never thought about it, maybe you should start.
Badger40 on December 9, 2008 at 1:49 PM
Note that the most corrupt governors are in gun-control states–Red Davis, Eliot Spitzontheconstitution, Jim McQueery,and Rod the Blob.
Kenno on December 9, 2008 at 1:49 PM
To the tune of Magic Bus,
I want it,I want it,gota get on that Hopeys
fraudulent,corrupt,lying,cheating,Magic Bus!
(Sarc!):)
canopfor on December 9, 2008 at 1:53 PM
“It just might take a women to clean the House.”
Nancy Pelosi.
canopfor on December 9, 2008 at 1:57 PM
Thank God for rural America.
I love it out here.
Badger40 on December 9, 2008 at 1:29 PM
Ditto, Badger. After living in NYC, London, Vienna(Aus) and a smaller city in NC I find life in a small town to be the best. I encourage liberals and outsiders to malign us, call us “hayseeds”, “hicks”, “knuckle-gragging mouth breathers” and always agree with them that life here really, reeeeeally sucks. We don’t want any of them moving here. ;)
Haven’t met a hippie in several decades and thought they were extinct until people here at HA mentioned seeing a few. I don’t know anyone who voted for BO, and those who did aren’t bragging about it.
Not bad, eh?
Cody1991 on December 9, 2008 at 2:09 PM
Thank God for rural America.
I love it out here.
Badger40 on December 9, 2008 at 1:29 PM
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Yeah, there’s no corruption whatsoever in small towns. None at all. Are you permanently sedated or do you never leave your basement?
Dave Rywall on December 9, 2008 at 2:16 PM
Based on 1993, I’d say it’s possible, but it depends on whether or not the Democrats in Washington screw things up more than they already are between now and November.
All three states will vote Democrat as the default option in statewide or big city local elections, even when the state or local Democrats screw up, if there are Republicans in control of the White House or Congress, because the pols can pass off the blame elsewhere, and enough voters want to believe that to the point they’re willing to give the Democrats the benefit of the doubt. There are still a lot of voters who’ll still pull the ‘D’ lever even when things are screwed up and their party controls all the major offices, but back in 1993, Republicans won the New Jersey governorship, the New York mayoral (followed in ’94 by the N.Y. governorship) and even the Los Angeles mayoral race, because there was nobody higher up in the political food chain for state and local Democrats to blame their problems on.
They’ll still try to push it all off on Bush, and will naturally get the big media’s help. But if the voters see the problems continuing and with Democrats showing no leadership in resolving them, only the bluest of blue seats will be safe over the next two years.
jon1979 on December 9, 2008 at 2:21 PM
“has anyone else noticed that the Democrats have a losing streak in governors?”
I would call it a winning streak.
They should all be thrown into jail, along with Barney Franks, Chris Dodd, Little Chuck Shummer, Charlie Rangel, the Witch, the Undertaker, and 95% of the rest of Congress.
notagool on December 9, 2008 at 2:24 PM
You know the media will play the ‘Name That Party’ game with the Dems
A comment on this WaPo blog makes the case:
Paul_in_NJ on December 9, 2008 at 2:26 PM
In Illinois and Lake county Indiana, doctors do not bring babies into the world with a slap on the butt. They use a big rubber stamp with a capital D and blue ink.
Old Country Boy on December 9, 2008 at 2:31 PM
Someday, probably, maybe unexpectedly like thieves in the night, as it were, could be soon, could be 40 years from now – though they may not be called “Republicans.” Could be cataclysmic, like a nuclear chain reaction, or it could be that we, or our grandchildren, wake up one day and even California’s gotten a major clue.
It wouldn’t hurt in the meantime to run serious grassroots reform candidates even if their chances of winning appear slim. That it could be the work of a generation, and probably won’t include a sudden reform of basic human nature, doesn’t make it any less worth trying.
CK MacLeod on December 9, 2008 at 2:34 PM
Gov. Blagojevich needs a redo of his updo. Does he have way too much hair or what?
I would vote to convict just because of his hair.
Sweetness0726 on December 9, 2008 at 2:34 PM
What a missed opportunity to label this for what it is:
Democrats: Culture of Corruption.
Thanks for normsrevenge on December 9, 2008 at 1:44 PM and canopfor on December 9, 2008 at 1:57 PM for getting it.
And yes, it will take a woman to clean the house. And her name is Sarah Palin, president of the United States 2012. 2016 at the latest.
wise_man on December 9, 2008 at 2:34 PM
Why are you being such a jerk? Of course I realize there can be corruption at a local level.
But sir-life is different out here. It keeps you grounded in reality. Things are a lot simpler bcs people don’t make everything as complicated at it seems to get in the city.
As for the basement-I can’t afford one. I live in a double-wide, 1979.
But we got a nice feed-pick up & a couple of tractors.
Want a nasty horse? Come on down. I got a good
bronctrail horse for you to ride if you wanna come down & play some cowboy games with me.Sounds like you could use a good lesson with a loop & a dally.
Badger40 on December 9, 2008 at 2:38 PM
Are you permanently sedated….
Dave Rywall on Dec 9,2008 at 2:16PM.
Dave Rywall: Why are you not useing your time more wisely?
And help your treasonous buddy Dione,over
throw the Harper Government!You know how it
is, Canadian Liberals are upset that they
lost!
canopfor on December 9, 2008 at 2:38 PM
Looking good there Berry, half of your damn neighborhood in jail.
What the problem, chicken coming home to roost?
try again later on December 9, 2008 at 2:41 PM
In a word?
No.
Geministorm on December 9, 2008 at 2:41 PM
I think you are on to something here. IMHO people who live in large cities are far removed from what is happening in the real world. They have no idea what is happening in mining, logging, manufacturing, and agricultural. They have no idea how food is grown and processed. See Sarah Palin at the turkey murder operation. Like you said the government does everything for you except wipe your nose.
Mining? They are against it because it disturbs all the pretty scenery. Where do they think iron ore comes from to make their cars? How about aluminum, copper, coal, and other minerals? The only one they can talk about is coal. Because it is dirty and causes global warming.
Logging? No concept. No idea where they get paper and furniture and building materials. Can’t relate to the whole process. Planting and growing trees. Cutting down trees and hauling them to saw mills that cut the trees into useful lumber. Lumber that is used to build homes and other buildings and their interior and exterior decors. Trees (Poplars) that are sent to paper mills that make these into pulp that is used in the manufacturing of paper.
Manufacturing? Can’t relate to the whole process of mining and logging to get the raw materials to their place of work that is manufacturing whatever product they are producing.
Agriculture? Don’t understand the concept of tilling the ground to plant and harvest crops that go directly to mills (manufacturing) to produce food or go to feed lots to feed livestock (cattle, hogs, turkey, chickens) which go to meatpacking or meat processing plants.
To sum it up, they are liberals because they don’t understand what is happening all around them in the rest of the country. They go to the grocery store and there is all of this food to choose from and don’t see all of the hard work done by people who work for some company that pays taxes and pays their employees who pay taxes. And if someone becomes successful, they are evil.
Someone else from the Boston area talked about the government building mass transit. Only the government can do this. Just like water and sewer. But, building mass transit costs billions of dollars. Building roads cost hundreds of millions of dollars. Mass transit moves people. Roads move people, goods, and services.
cjs1943 on December 9, 2008 at 2:45 PM
and her name is Sarah Palin.
wise_man on Dec 9,2008 at 2:34PM.
wise_man: You are correct,it’ll be SarahCuda to clean
this unholy stinking pile that the ‘ONE’ will
leave behind!
canopfor on December 9, 2008 at 2:47 PM
Good post. I didn’t see yours because I was working on mine.
cjs1943 on December 9, 2008 at 2:49 PM
Let’s hope they don’t pick someone else named Ryan. We tend to have bad luck with them.
VanPalin on December 9, 2008 at 3:05 PM
And help your treasonous buddy Dione,over
throw the Harper Government!You know how it
is, Canadian Liberals are upset that they
lost!
canopfor on December 9, 2008 at 2:38 PM
——
Sorry to burst your little bubble, but my seething hatred of Dion is well-documented. Good day sir.
Dave Rywall on December 9, 2008 at 3:09 PM
Things are a lot simpler bcs people don’t make everything as complicated at it seems to get in the city.
Badger40 on December 9, 2008 at 2:38 PM
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You have got to be kidding.
Dave Rywall on December 9, 2008 at 3:11 PM
My CA Uncle Hippy (baby boomer) voted for the Messiah.
I am not surprised.
They are still around. Becoming outdated, but still around.
Badger40 on December 9, 2008 at 3:12 PM
Where do you stick your head in the sand (AKA address)?!
Try it sometime. That is if you are open-minded enough to give living in the stix a real chance.
Badger40 on December 9, 2008 at 3:16 PM
Thanks.
BTW-Should I feel honored that I’m being attacked here by the Canadian?
Badger40 on December 9, 2008 at 3:21 PM
All of that I understand. But it goes further than just an urban vs. rural distinction. After all, suburban residents — most of whom know about as much about logging and mining and turkey slaughtering as urban-dwellers — tend to be much more Republican. I think self reliance has a lot to do with it. I’m a suburban person myself, and while I rely on the government to plow the snow off the streets, keep the criminals off the streets and operate the schools, I do not otherwise interact with the government or with poor people in my day-to-day existence.
It also makes me wonder if there’s a way that we can appeal to urban voters with economic or social conservatism. As more cities choose to fight “sprawl” and try to create social policies that encourage more and more people to move back into central cities, I’d hate for that change to spawn more liberals and put us further into the minority.
Outlander on December 9, 2008 at 3:28 PM
As I always say to my liberal friends who say that Republicans are the ones with all the scandals- it’s just because they were the ones in power.
Chuck Schick on December 9, 2008 at 3:33 PM
Boy I would really like to know how. Bcs I believe the balance has tipped way too much that way.
People are becoming way too dependent upon others in their daily lives.
Badger40 on December 9, 2008 at 4:06 PM
You are right. I shouldn’t have lumped everyone together. I stand corrected.
cjs1943 on December 9, 2008 at 4:22 PM
Giuliani would make a good “reform” candidate in New York in 2010 either for governor against a tainted Patterson or in the Senate race against an Andrew Cuomo tainted by his support of subprime mortgages when he was Housing Secretary (assuming Paterson names Cuomo to the Senate to get him out of the a Democratic primary against Paterson for governor). I would prefer Rudy for Governor myself.
KW64 on December 9, 2008 at 5:19 PM
Maybe two out of three.
ThePrez on December 9, 2008 at 5:43 PM
Not until the GOP actually reforms.
DannoJyd on December 9, 2008 at 5:58 PM