tommylotto on December 9, 2008 at 8:59 PM

The fact that you don’t know, or will take the time to find out that amended COLB must have the information amended struck out and kept on the certificate, shows you have no knowledge or willingness to have the truth.
Listen, you and Romeo and a couple of dozen wacko’s can keep believing, and we will keep laughing at you…
You guys can post whatever, and not feel any real blow-back for being so crazy…but I guarantee, if you had your lively hood, your reputation, your families reputation on the line, you would not be stating these things.
Other words, the beauty for you is you can be as crazy as a loon, and it doesn’t matter…

It sounds like the work of the electoral college, the body already designated to do this very job but the constitution.

Squid Shark on December 10, 2008 at 6:12 AM

Yes, the President-Elect must be certified at that level, however, that does not obviate the fact that the states have their own responsibilities, by individual state law, to verify that the candidates that appear on their ballots are eligible. That is the basis of the D’Onofrio and Wrotnowski (or whatever his name is) cases and, I would imagine, many of the other state cases, though some seek to stop the electors from being sent until verification is assured. If all these fail then there is still, as you mention, the federal responsibility (and ultimate one) to verify his eligibility.

Perhaps what we need is a Constitutional amendment that would detail who decides who is qualified for the presidency so that this kind of thing won’t end up on the USSC’s docket again. It seems to work for the senate.

Browncoatone on December 10, 2008 at 2:51 AM

It sounds like the work of the electoral college, the body already designated to do this very job but the constitution.

You can file a thousand frivolous law suits, it does not make your silly fantasy any more valid.

Squid Shark on December 9, 2008 at 11:09 PM

If a person were to sue for a ballot claiming the right to vote because he’s an American citizen would his claim be dismissed out of hand because it’s “frivolous”? Or would a court have to rule whether he was or was not, in fact, an American citizen?

Look, it’s not like the constitution hasn’t been violated before. Senators Henry Clay, John Eaton, and Armistead Thomson Mason all served in the Senate in direct violation of Article 1 Section 3 of the US Constitution. The constitution will survive this- it’s made of paper not glass.

But that doesn’t mean we should just dismiss it out of hand.

Perhaps what we need is a Constitutional amendment that would detail who decides who is qualified for the presidency so that this kind of thing won’t end up on the USSC’s docket again. It seems to work for the senate.

Nope, we’re just gettin’ started. Gee, maybe HA ought to start paying attnetion now? Ya think?

You can file a thousand frivolous law suits, it does not make your silly fantasy any more valid.

When the Supreme Court denied cert to Leo Donofrio, most of us thought the issue of Barack Obama’s status as a citizen was put to rest.

By, “most of us” you mean “those who aren’t paying attention”. ALL of those who HAVE been paying attention, you know, RESEARCHING, knew all along that this wasn’t any where NEAR the end. In fact, if this one isn’t heard, it still isn’t the end. There were, at last count, 17 lawsuits in 17 states pending, including Alan Keyes’. Nope, we’re just gettin’ started. Gee, maybe HA ought to start paying attnetion now? Ya think?

-Aslan’s Girl

Why hasn’t this issue been put to rest beyond a doubt by that official?

If this has been done, would someone please provide a link.

That is the story I’d like to see actually covered.

Instead we see ridicule and derogatory remarks thrown at those simply asking for the proper government authority to do their job.

Of course, if he bothered to produce the BC and it showed a place of birth of Honolulu and named a legitimate doctor as the deliverer and was not amended, this whole controversy would be over.

On that statement by the Hawaii Health Department, the official statement was only that they were in possession of the original and that they were not asked by anyone to treat its release any different. It was conspicuously silent on place of birth. Then another alleged spokeswoman claimed the official statement said something concerning his place of birth, when it clearly did not say anything about place of birth. Games are being played. The official statement did not say he was born in Hawaii. The spokeswoman did not say he was born in Hawaii. She said the statement said he was born in Hawaii when the statement says no thing. It’s called plausible deniability. If it’s not true no one is lying, the spokeswoman just misinterpreted the meaning of the official statement.

2) if the birth certificate can be amended for 3 bucks,

tommylotto on December 9, 2008 at 7:04 PM

This is why there is so much confusion…you can’t amend it for $3.
You just don’t send in $3 and amend it, there is a process…that is what is failed to mention in all of these posts…people post what they want and others, like you, attach themselves to these “facts”.
You should see what is required…but then if you did, you wouldn’t be a birtherist…you would leave the cult.
Anything that is amended, must me left on and crossed out, and there is more then that…but there was no “cross out”. Remember, but you keep forgetting you fool, the official state spokesperson stated in an email and interview that Obama was born in Hawaii.
And show me the amended COLB, it should have the crossed out areas.
Sheesh, you guys are weird and scary…

And at some point that’s doing damage to the country. Do they really want people thinking the president is illegitimate because they didn’t do like the liberal justices and reject this baseless kookery? I can’t remember, but was either Scalia or Thomas in the habit of having the court read the “Bush knocked down the twin towers!” junk lawsuits?

That’s a scary comment and conservatives being dismissive and agreeing with this statement must not know these two gentlemen. They aren’t right wing hacks and if you put the jurisprudence of Ginsburg and Souter over them then I’d check myself first!

Example of Scalia smack down of Souter:

“To Souter’s three and a half pages, Scalia offered eleven pages of retort. He also hinted to his real concern: that Souter’s opinion would give comfort to foreign abolitionists. He wrote:

There exists in some parts of the world sanctimonious criticism of America’s death penalty, as somehow unworthy of a civilized society. (I say sanctimonious, because most of the countries to which these finger-waggers belong had the death penalty themselves until recently – and indeed, many of them would still have it if the democratic will prevailed.) It is a certainty that the opinion of a near-majority of the United States Supreme Court to the effect that our system condemns many innocent defendants to death will be trumpeted abroad as vindication of these criticisms. For that reason, I take the trouble to point out that the dissenting opinion has nothing substantial to support it.”

Example of Scalia smack down of Breyer:

Justice Antonin Scalia chastised the “arrogance” of U.S. judges who seek to decide politically charged questions involving gay rights and the death penalty by citing international law.

The conservative judge sparred Thursday with Justice Stephen G. Breyer in a rare televised debate at American University on the role of foreign judgments in deciding Supreme Court cases.

Scalia bemoaned a recent trend on the high court in citing international opinion to support decisions interpreting the U.S. Constitution, including those decriminalizing gay sex and banning the execution of the mentally retarded.

“What you’re looking for are the standards of decency of American society,” Scalia said. “What does an opinion of a wise Zimbabwe judge have to do with what Americans believe?

“Doesn’t it seem arrogant to think I can decide moral views for penology, death penalty and abortion?” he said, arguing that elected legislatures should make those decisions.”

Don’t forget that they’re the ones holding our water at SCOTUS. You’ll be very sorry to see an Obama replacement, believe me!

Also, none of this impacts the question of whether a dual citizen can be POTUS, or whether stepdad could or did renounce his citizenship.

right2bright on December 9, 2008 at 6:38 PM

Tried to get a kid a drivers license lately? I have… its the new standard for Government IDs.

Letters of Verification

Letters of verification may be issued in lieu of certified copies (HRS §338-14.3). This document verifies the existence of a birth/death/marriage/divorce certificate on file with the Department of Health and any other information that the applicant provides to be verified relating to the vital event. (For example, that a certain named individual was born on a certain date at a certain place.) The verification process will not, however, disclose information about the vital event contained within the certificate that is unknown to and not provided by the applicant in the request.

Letters of verification are requested in similar fashion and using the same request forms as for certified copies.

The fee for a letter of verification is $5 per letter.

Interesting, for 5 bucks he could just ask for a letter of verification of his Hawaii birth…

But even more interesting is this….

http://hawaii.gov/health/vital-records/vital-records/hawnbirth.html

The Certificate of Hawaiian Birth program was established in 1911, during the territorial era, to register a person born in Hawaii who was one year old or older and whose birth had not been previously registered in Hawaii. The Certificate of Hawaiian Birth Program was terminated in 1972, during the statehood era.

Apparently a couple of affidavits whould suffice for this…

or this…

http://hawaii.gov/health/vital-records/vital-records/amendment.html

Where for the bargain price of $3.00 you can ask them to amend your Birth Cert.

Wow… this just keeps gettin better and better….

Still lookin though…

Syd B. on December 9, 2008 at 5:55 PM

Of course you realize that if this is from “techdude”, or some other hoax site…or that you don’t have a link, and you don’t have a pic of her actual COLB, that makes you look like a fool and a tool…you know that right?

mind that Obama’s sister also has a COLB and she was born in Indonesia. So much for that argument.

Syd B. on December 9, 2008 at 5:55 PM

That’s what I have been asking for…hers says she was born in Hawaii, but she was actually born in Indonesia?
Is that what you are saying?
Here is what Romeo and the rest are looking for, and what I have been demanding to see if it actually happened.
Link please, this is great…and from the same family.

On another page, which I am now too lazy to go look at, it specificly tells people to remember to bring their ORIGIONAL BIRTH CERTIFICATE.

Romeo13 on December 9, 2008 at 5:16 PM

I looked and the definition I provided is accurate. They only request the certified, not the original.
The certified and the certified ID,is acceptable for Social Security, drivers license, state welfare, passport, etc. It is all listed.
Perhaps you looked at another and got confused, but look at the state sites they will detail what I said.
But, it won’t matter to you…you won’t believe it even if they tell you, because you don’t know who and when it was posted…it will never be enough for you…

As crazy Sarah Palin lapses inexorably back into obscurity, I would like to take this opportunity to thank the Lord above for the emergence of the Birthers, who bring much-needed levity to these trying times.

benny shakar on December 9, 2008 at 5:00 PM

Well benny, you always have your gov. selling senate seats to be proud of.

7. State Certified Birth Certificate with both parents listed or State Certified Birth ID Card.

right2bright on December 9, 2008 at 4:55 PM

Not embarrased at all, because the Certificate of Live Birth is different under Hawaii law than a Certified Birth Certificate… because, under the US Real ID Act, the Certificate of Live Birth does NOT proove Identity, as it can be changed.

On another page, which I am now too lazy to go look at, it specificly tells people to remember to bring their ORIGIONAL BIRTH CERTIFICATE.

Yeah I understood what you meant. I was only saying that whether the truth about this particular thing (or the selective service issue) ever emerges or not, He’ll still be a slimy opportunist and fraud, and always was. So the outcomes in these matters won’t change anyone’s mind, I think.

JiangxiDad on December 9, 2008 at 5:06 PM

You speak the truth … unfortunately. If anyone cared about any of his multiple frauds, they would just go right to the campaign contributions/credit card scheme. But no one even cares to talk about that, anymore. It doesn’t get more overt.

I’ve lost all confidence in our populace, any of our institutions and any of our “representatives” or public advocates. I see little but cowardice, avarice and stupidity.