Breaking: Supreme Court declines to hear Obama birth certificate challenge
posted at 10:54 am on December 8, 2008 by Allahpundit
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Denials of cert rarely come with explanations and this one’s no exception, although the math doesn’t lie: They needed four votes to take Leo Donofrio’s case and between Roberts, Scalia, Thomas, Alito, and Kennedy, they couldn’t get there. End of the line for birth certificate Truthers? Of course not. There are windmills aplenty still to tilt at, as Dave Weigel explains:
How much further will the fight to de-certify Obama go? It won’t stop if the Electoral College votes for Obama, as the skeptics will try to get a congressman or senator to officially challenge the result. Rep. Chris Cannon of Utah was willing to believe that Bill Ayers wrote Dreams From My Father, so the skeptics might have a chance.
And if every vote certification goes off without a hitch and Obama is inaugurated on Jan. 20? Gary Kreep is ready for that.
“When Obama starts signing executive orders and legislation,” Kreep says, “I’ll be filing lawsuits unless and until he proves he’s an American citizen. Some judge, someday, is going to want this proved on the merits. You can run, but you can’t hide.”
David Horowitz ponders the galactic clusterfark that might have been had the Court taken the case. If anything good comes of this, it’ll be Congress and the states revisiting the “natural born” qualification, which must surely be the single dumbest operative clause in the Constitution. Exit question for WaPo, which helpfully informs its readers that “right-wing blogs were outraged” when Souter turned down Donofrio’s petition originally: Care to name one?
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Baldilcks, Scalia distributed Wrotnowski’s case for conference on Dec 12th. I’m wondering if Donofrio’s got screwed because Judge Sabatino lied about the procedural history on it. Scalia has been sitting on Wrotnowski’s case for 6 days. Maybe he was waiting to see what happened with Donofrio’s. I don’t know. This morning I declared America dead. But maybe Thomas, Scalia, Roberts, and Alito aren’t dead yet. We’ll see.
If the mob rules, America truly is dead.
justincase on December 8, 2008 at 6:20 PM
Thanks.
baldilocks on December 8, 2008 at 6:22 PM
That’s why I pray.
baldilocks on December 8, 2008 at 6:22 PM
Keep praying, Baldilocks. As will I. I pray for mercy – that America doesn’t get what it deserves.
justincase on December 8, 2008 at 6:29 PM
Which brings up an interesting side-note on the difference between dual citizens and solely American citizens – if there is ever a big problem, a dual citizen can always leave and go to the other country they have citizenship in. An American with no other citizenship has nowhere else to go. S/he is stuck. This is the contra-positive of the allegiance issue with respect to dual citizenship.
progressoverpeace on December 8, 2008 at 6:33 PM
Why? America asked for this, by a good margin.
Schadenfreude on December 8, 2008 at 6:36 PM
It’s funny, people are concerned that if Obama is declared ineligible, that the left will riot. If SCOTUS decides to not hear any of the cases, then who knows, the right (and pleanty of PUMAs) will riot. Half a dozen of one, six of another. Either way there might be riots, so at least let’s do the right thing and defend the Constitution. What lily-livered, yellow-bellied people live in America that they’re afraid of a little rioting? We, who once fought a bloody Revolution and a bloody Civil War. This would be nothing compared to that.
This other argument, that 64 million votes shouldn’t be cancelled — those 64 million people were voting for someone they thought QUALIFIED for the job. They voted for him under FALSE pretenses. The man they thought they were voting for doesn’t exist. Once many of them find it out, they will be hopping mad that they were duped.
-Aslan’s Girl
Aslans Girl on December 8, 2008 at 6:39 PM
progressoverpeace,
It’s just uncanny how America mirrors Kenya right now. What’s the quantum physics term for matter having an effect on similar matter even if it’s very far away? That’s what this feels like – like America and Kenya are one unit. As one goes, so goes the other. It just feels weird. Nobody in the world thinks that Obama is neutral when it comes to Kenya. We know his heart is there; his book was all about that.
justincase on December 8, 2008 at 6:41 PM
Ah, who knows what margin the fraud actually won by what with his ACORN stealing votes left and right. Please. Besides, even if he actually won this without ACORN’s help, the people were voting for someone who doesn’t exist — someone they thought was eligible.
-Aslan’s Girl
Aslans Girl on December 8, 2008 at 6:41 PM
Schadenfreude,
I know. That’s why I pray for mercy. Lord, save us from our own stupidity – PLEASE!
I wouldn’t blame Him if He gave up on us altogether. America, like other great civilizations, is due to crash and burn. Always comes when the society becomes depraved. But I was hoping my kids could have been spared some things.
justincase on December 8, 2008 at 6:43 PM
Quantum entanglement.
Shhh. You’ll scare the kids.
progressoverpeace on December 8, 2008 at 6:43 PM
Aslan’s Girl, you overestimate your ‘compatriots’.
Schadenfreude on December 8, 2008 at 6:43 PM
This is the best thread in months!
*makes more popcorn*
benny shakar on December 8, 2008 at 6:44 PM
Romeo, I do appreciate your spelling this out time and time again, as I wouldn’t be nearly as good at it, nor would a lot of others.
I do think it is important to make these distinctions every time someone refuses to speak to them and just keeps repeating the same inaccuracies. I believe their intention is simply to wear others down, so people new to the story will never hear the facts.
Alana on December 8, 2008 at 6:45 PM
progressoverpeace
Thanks! That was going to bother me all night. lol.
I think we’ve got some quantum entanglement going on here. Which is why the dual citizenship mattered to the Founding Fathers. Their wisdom is being borne out.
justincase on December 8, 2008 at 6:46 PM
justincase, I feel for your kids, but not for their parents. A wish to self destruct was made real on Nov. 04, sadly.
All sorts of little flies are indignant.
Schadenfreude on December 8, 2008 at 6:46 PM
That is your tact, you haven’t answered the questions so you hide behind some snide remark…even someone comparing me to a communist.
The answers to the questions are as follows.
A self proclaimed expert and a youtube expert, and Berg say they are forgery’s.
HAHAAHAHA! that is the extent of their “experts”.
I have the quote from the official spokesperson saying that Obama was born in Hawaii…but that is not good enough because Berg say is isn’t right, but no other official is denying, only internet bloggers.
again…HAHAHAHHAHAHAH!
And not one official has said Obama has not met the criteria, not one real expert has come forward with any proof that he was not born in Hawaii…
And……….every person in Hawaii is given a certificate of birth to prove his birth, and not one instance in decades has been found as not be be the case.
again…HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
And the zinger….what Obama has meets the criteria for every government standard, passport, drivers license, Social Security, every government program, including President.
my belly is hurting from laughing at you guys….oh how much anger you feel.
I report these facts and I am now a communist,
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
It is right2bacommie….hahahahahahaha!
When you come up with some “proof” let us know, meanwhile, all you mensa koo-koo birds, keep on believing…
right2bright on December 8, 2008 at 6:48 PM
I’ve got it!
We buy air time indicating that the lack of a valid birth certificate and clear citizenship makes it impossible for the Tax Refund checks to go out. It may also lead to the suspension of NBA and NFL games after 12/31/2008.
IlikedAUH2O on December 8, 2008 at 6:48 PM
I don’t understand the “little flies” comment, but I agree that America voted to self-destruct. Thing is, most people never even knew what America has been so it wasn’t a conscious decision to go communist instead. It was just the natural progression from our educational demise.
justincase on December 8, 2008 at 6:49 PM
Don’t you see that you are repeating the same thing over and over?
You don’t see that, I know I am, I only need four arguments, because none of the four have been challenged.
But you don’t see all of you repeating the same thing, over and over?
Weird…I know I am doing it, but you guys don’t see yourselves at all, do you…
right2bright on December 8, 2008 at 6:50 PM
ilikedAUYH2O at 6:48
lol. I do believe you’ve got it.
justincase on December 8, 2008 at 6:50 PM
Look! Not2Bright is back for his third shift of posting the same exact factually incorrect posts.
He’s relentless, but still embarrassing. I hope he’s getting paid well.
Gregor on December 8, 2008 at 6:51 PM
BTW, right3bright’s master was on Meet the Press and they mentioned smoking.
He modestly admitted that he had done a “terriffic” job. Then they mentioned that there was no smoking in the White House. And he admitted that he does “fall off the wagon occasionally”. — Fox News 12/08/2008 6-6:30 PM.
I was overwhelmed.
IlikedAUH2O on December 8, 2008 at 6:53 PM
justincase, that part wasn’t for you. They know who they are.
Schadenfreude on December 8, 2008 at 6:54 PM
Ironic.
Not2Bright repeatedly asks the same questions, over and over, forever and ever, and then completely ignores the numerous times they are answered. He then pretends they were never answered, while continuing to ask the same questions, urging us to repeat the answers over and over.
Then, he attempts to make fun of the fact that the answers are repeated over and over.
The dude needs to get a life.
Gregor on December 8, 2008 at 6:57 PM
Actually there is alot of proof. in the 1960’s and after
There are hundreds of instances of infants born outside the U.S. then later recieving a “Cert. of Live Birth” from the state of Hawaii.
Perhaps Obama is one of them?? The ONLY way to know is to see the ORIGINAL BIRTH CERTIFICATE.
ExTex on December 8, 2008 at 6:59 PM
lol, Schadenfreude. Glad to hear it.
justincase on December 8, 2008 at 6:59 PM
Bingo, ExTex!
justincase on December 8, 2008 at 6:59 PM
justincase,
The SCOTUS could take this case and resolve it in Obama’s favor, legally.
They would demand to see his original BC and certify that it says that he was born in Hawaii. This aspect is a total deal-breaker, there’s no way around this if it says Kenya – so let’s just assume that the BC turns out to be all in order. But the SCOTUS has to check this.
As to the multiple citizenship aspect, they could rule that multiple citizenship doesn’t affect ‘natural born citizen’ status. There would be tons of problems with this definition, but it would, at least, maintain our law in the present. Of course, that would open a whole Pandora’s box of problems, but they might want to just kick that can down the road until it blows up one day, like the credit crisis did.
progressoverpeace on December 8, 2008 at 7:01 PM
More from the blame America crowd…jeez, had a Leftie made than statement you all would be up in arms….
AprilOrit on December 8, 2008 at 7:02 PM
Ahemmm…pot to kettle….are you joking with that statement?
AprilOrit on December 8, 2008 at 7:04 PM
If you did a psychological profile of The One (a la CIA) you would find a personality that is probably messed up enough to sit on the Docs in Hawaii. That is right, just sit on them. Even if they were adequate to quench this controversy.
Go and try to deal with Ivy League types like the One. He doesn’t think that the “natural born” provision is important and he could possibly be showing off his legal brillance — and courage. What instructor in a mediocre law program wouldn’t likely get a kick out of playing a game with these opponents? Just a dreamy little diversion like you have after class. Impresses everyone.
Remember, he was found on tape discussing the redistribution of wealth by The Supreme Court for crying out loud! Wouldn’t that idea dazzle a classroom?
His ego. His ideas.
What Fun!
IlikedAUH2O on December 8, 2008 at 7:12 PM
Checking the MSM news sites, even though this was being considered by the SCOTUS it’s not in the news. Palin snubbing Oprah is though…. welcome to the age of the ill informed public. I hope Obama is an natural born citizen for the good of the country. But it’s easy to have doubts about that with all the effort to keep his BC from public view, like his college years, like his Annenberg years, like his past associations, like just about everything about him.
I would think that anyone who takes Obama’s word on anything is gullible or a fool, looking at his whole record of “honesty” and “transparency”.
Hog Wild on December 8, 2008 at 7:19 PM
Still some concern
There is still a little worry about this ‘qualifications’ problem and the suits. The Chicago Tribune, Salon, CBS News and others have pulled out outright lies about statements by Hawaiian officials and the nature of a COLB mentioned above.
They don’t lie that much without a cause or reason.
IlikedAUH2O on December 8, 2008 at 7:20 PM
I didn’t mean this case (D’Onofrio) but a bundle of the cases to address all questions of BHO’s eligibility. The SCOTUS’ twisted definition of ‘natural born citizen’ could then be fixed by an amendment detailing a more sensible definition (though I have 0 confidence that this would happen).
The big question is what SCOTUS justices want to go down in history with such perverted rulings in their names. The libs have no problems with authoring insane rulings, so it is a question of which conservative justice would like to go down in history as taking a dive on the Constitution and contributing to an unraveling of the US, even though it would all be legit at this point.
I just thought I would offer this scenario. Of course, it all falls apart if the BC doesn’t say Hawaii, which is the source of most of the fear for those who don’t even want this case taken, I think.
progressoverpeace on December 8, 2008 at 7:23 PM
and NO media attention that the second case is going to be heard.
Interesting times…. like the Chinese curse…
Romeo13 on December 8, 2008 at 7:23 PM
Brit Hume made some mention about the case being turned down. I didn’t hear the details.
progressoverpeace on December 8, 2008 at 7:25 PM
actualy, on a strict constructionist view… the dual citizenship could be the bigger problem.
Its the clear intent of the Founders NOT to have competing loyalties… which is why they put this thing in there in the first place…
They wanted a President to pass both tests for citizenship… ie… born on American soil, and of an American Father… and thats the last set of writings that I’ve been able to find on the subject…
Romeo13 on December 8, 2008 at 7:27 PM
I totally agree. And I don’t think any of the conservative justices would do what I proposed, but I was just offering it as a possible scenario.
progressoverpeace on December 8, 2008 at 7:29 PM
I call it the ‘Constitutional bailout’ scenario.
progressoverpeace on December 8, 2008 at 7:32 PM
Wow, this maddness is still going on…..
Awesomely stupid.
This is one of the many reasons Middle America may never take us seriously again…
Squid Shark on December 8, 2008 at 7:34 PM
Romeo, if they wanted an American Father, why did they not say such?
Squid Shark on December 8, 2008 at 7:35 PM
Who you callin’ US??
ExTex on December 8, 2008 at 7:38 PM
I wonder if people can sue the secstates ex post facto.
IOW, form a political action committee (527?) to start suing the SecStates of each state demanding that they validate the candidates. I’m not a lawyer but I’m wondering if that would work.
IE. I think there is more chance of having snowmobile races in a loiuisian bayou than having the Supreme Court of the People’s Republic of New Jersey demand that the SecState produce evidence of comliance with eligibility. However, maybe that woudl work in a couple of the red states. Better yet, a red state that went to obama. ie.. one with a supreme court that would really care about the constitution even though obawhoever won in that state.
oops, that wouldn’t make the news. as someone said Sarah might be at a turkey butchering or snubbing oprah.. Gotta keep focused..
bullseye on December 8, 2008 at 7:39 PM
Really? Would you like to point out the posts that I’ve made that are factually inaccurate? Please?
Or did you just completely miss the qualifier in that comment and limit your response to the first half of the sentence? Reading comprehension can be tough for some, especially when they’re trying so hard to argue a point with absolutely no facts on their side, such as you. Oh wait! Or have I missed any of those facts that you’ve dug up?
Didn’t think so. Instead you’ve just been in here telling everyone to go away because “it’s over.”
Gregor on December 8, 2008 at 7:48 PM
My wife picked up on something way before the election. It was an article about how Kenya was going to lengthen the runway and facilities to accomodate Air Farce One. Again, this was WAY before the November election.
That seemed a bit odd to me at the time.. Reading through about the Quantum Entanglements and dual loyalties, I’m really starting to wonder. …
FREE THE BIRTH CERTIFICATE!!!
bullseye on December 8, 2008 at 7:49 PM
If you do a search on MSN it lead to the SOCUS nondecision today which they turned into a decision. Detroit News, CBS, others…there are new sources now.
I also heard it on some CBS radio news.
If I did not know better, I would think that the whole thing was
1) Crazy
2) Done
But NO major news coverage.
IlikedAUH2O on December 8, 2008 at 7:49 PM
If The One lights up in the White House or elsewhere, he should be picked up. We have no idea how old he is. And he is married…child abuse?
IlikedAUH2O on December 8, 2008 at 7:51 PM
On second thought, leave Michelle alone, she may stop being proud of us again and I couldn’t take that.
IlikedAUH2O on December 8, 2008 at 7:53 PM
“April Orit”, “Right2bright”, “Squid Shark”, stop argueing with “MB4″ and his suckpuppet Justincase. The guy has been pegged as a troll over a year ago check this thread out:
http://hotair.com/archives/2007/11/02/video-terrorist-training-camps-in-georgia/
“progressoverpeace” is just a moron, you can see some of his idiotic postings on this thread:
http://hotair.com/headlines/?p=25117
mainmann on December 8, 2008 at 7:55 PM
08-570 aint dead yet
Injunction Sought Against Electoral College
http://www.obamacrimes.com
IlikedAUH2O on December 8, 2008 at 7:58 PM
Is he saying the Constitution is a living, breathing document? What happens if in two years it’s discovered that barry isn’t a legitimate candidate? Then will it be ok for arnold to run for president?
Why do democrat candidates always seem to refuse to release what should be innocuous records and why do “conservative” pundits always seem to support them in that decision?
peacenprosperity on December 8, 2008 at 8:00 PM
On further thought, the Kelo group could make the ruling I proposed (again, assuming that the BC is in order, to begin with), but the conservative justices might resign instead of even going along to be the dissent. I would resign, rather than take part in any Court that would come to such a decision.
progressoverpeace on December 8, 2008 at 8:00 PM
Translation :
I’m a liberal Democrat con-man. All i do is collect donations from gullible dummies, to get them strung along. I pretend i have a case, with word gymnastics, and the ever silly proofers continue to sent me some dough. Easy Money.
mainmann on December 8, 2008 at 8:03 PM
Now hear this, Now hear this
My first post on this issue was way back around number 130, since then over 500 more post. I have read alot of them. A few things stand out in most of these post:
- if you love Obama, it does not bother them where he was born, they could give a rats a#$. And could care less about what the consitution says. Remember to these people the consitution is a living and breathing document.
- if you dislike Obama, and want to know the whole truth, you get accused of being a wack job, angry right winger, a truther (by a employee of this site, thanks allah)
the funny thing is the one thing that would make each side say na-na-na-a-boo-boo stick you hand in poo poo. is the same thing.
so the vault copy – prove us truthers wrong and make us look like idiots
so the vault copy – prove what if anything he is hideing.
seems like to me everyone should want to see it.
kara26 on December 8, 2008 at 8:21 PM
Birthers are hilarious.
Best.Thread.Ever.
getalife on December 8, 2008 at 8:22 PM
one more thing if this was an issue with bush back in 2000, oh my God some of you would have been flipping the F out
kara26 on December 8, 2008 at 8:25 PM
Yep. Ba-yuck Insane Obama’s followers threatened a race riot if he lost, and countless under-the-table ‘donations’ enabled him to buy the election.
At this point I’ve finally lost all hope in any ‘legal’ methods of fixing our shattered nation. This does it. American voters have elected three bad apples in a row with NO sign of a change in the pattern. Our so-called gatekeepers are totally in the tank. Big business is so in bed with Congress they might as well be a mattress. And now the SCOTUS has gone and stuck their collective heads in the sand.
Anyone know where a novice would-be survivalist and milita member can get a start?
PS. Allah – either quit acting like a snotty liberal to conservatives in general and Hotair readers in particular or shove off.
Dark-Star on December 8, 2008 at 8:27 PM
Conservative writer David Horowitz, writing in the conservative National Review, advises his fellow conservatives to “shut up about the birth certificate,” as the headline on his article puts it.
“The continuing efforts of a fringe group of conservatives to deny Obama his victory and to lay the basis for the claim that he is not a legitimate president is embarrassing and destructive,” Horowitz writes. “The fact that these efforts are being led by Alan Keyes, a demagogue who lost a Senate election to the then-unknown Obama by 42 points, should be a warning in itself….
“It is not conservatism; it is sore loserism and quite radical in its intent,” concludes Horowitz. “Respect for election results is one of the most durable bulwarks of our unity as a nation. Conservatives need to accept the fact that we lost the election, and get over it; and get on with the important business of reviving our country’s economy and defending its citizens, and — by the way — its Constitution.”
Dudes.
getalife on December 8, 2008 at 8:28 PM
There were two levels of citzenship back then…
Citizen, and Natural Born Citizen.
To be a Citizen under the 1795 statute, you could be born in America. You could be the child of an American Citizen Father. Or the illegitamate child of an American Mother.
Citizens have full civil rights…
Natural Born Citizen was somthing different, and is only mentioned in writings at the time, and the Constitution itself… ONLY the Presidency requires “Natural Born Citizenship”… its a bit higher standard than normal.
And the common understanding at the time was that you had to be born on America soil, and be the son of an American Father… ie meet both criterias for citizenship.
In fact the 1790 Statute on citizenship specificly said that being born on American soil was good enough to be a “Natural Born citizen”, but in 1795 it was REPEALED… to make them “Citizens”… ie… not meet the Natural Born Standard.
Intent is pretty clear to me… they thought about it and said wait, this 1790 stanard?… this is not HIGH ENOUGH for President..
Romeo13 on December 8, 2008 at 8:30 PM
getalife on December 8, 2008 at 8:28 PM
- yeh and was he one of the ones that said it had to be McCain, if we had any hope at winning
kara26 on December 8, 2008 at 8:32 PM
Great fleas have little fleas upon their backs to bite ‘em,
And little fleas have lesser fleas, and so ad infinitum.
And the great fleas themselves, in turn, have greater fleas to go on, while these again have greater still, and greater still, and so on.
- Augustus De Morgan
MB4 on December 8, 2008 at 8:35 PM
There are three classes of intellects: one which comprehends by itself (Gregor and Romeo13 would be examples); another which appreciates what others comprehend; and a third which neither comprehends by itself nor by the showing of others (AprilOrit and in the extreme Right2Bright, maka [more accurately known as]: Not2Bright); the first is the most excellent, the second is good, and the third is useless.
- Niccolo Machiavelli
MB4 on December 8, 2008 at 8:44 PM
We all know that most Republicans insist on saying that life begins at conception. The Hawaii birth certificate is useless unless it states where Obama was conceived.
Oh my God. A new conspiracy has been born. What shall we name it.
Obama, its time for you to prove where you were conceived. ONCE AND FOR ALL!!!!
Birthers unite!!!!
getalife on December 8, 2008 at 8:52 PM
MB4,
That’s awesome! Funniest thing I’ve seen posted in a while. Thank you.
the_stoics on December 8, 2008 at 8:54 PM
Quote:
“In a government of laws, the existence of the government will be imperiled
if it fails to observe the law scrupulously.
Our government is the potent,
the omnipresent teacher.
For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people
by its example.
Crime is contagious.
If the government becomes a
lawbreaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become
a law unto himself; it invites anarchy .
” Olmstead v. U.S., 277 U.S.
Capt-Dax on December 8, 2008 at 8:56 PM
If you think that Justincase is MB4’s “sockpuppet” then you need to make an appointment with me STAT as you are clearly suffering from profound delusions if not outright delirium. Your hallucinations are probably untreatable but I would be professionally obliged to try electroshock therapy on you as a last ditch rescue protocol in the name of humanity and science.
Sigmund on December 8, 2008 at 8:59 PM
Hey, getalife re your 8:28 PM post, I have a life, but I take a very different view of the matter than David Horowitz. The following is my post at frontpagemagazine.com to one of David Horowitz’s blog posts on the subject, and I stand on it here:
While being the father of a U.S. Army Captain and U.S. Marines Second Lieutenant makes me prouder, I have also been a lawyer for 32 years after graduating from the Harvard Law School, and I think that with all due respect, David, you are not making the issue clear at all, but rather you are being a bit hysterical. The election was not held with the proposition before the voters that the express requirements of the U.S. Constitution for a person to be qualified to be POTUS could be ignored in Obama’s case. If Obama does not satisfy the Constitution’s express requirement of a POTUS to be a natural born citizen, then the U.S. Supreme Court, in disallowing what does not satisfy the U.S. Constitution, is not engaged in a radical assault on the U.S. Constitution.
I am sorry, David, but the U.S. Constitution always matters and we cannot avoid what is now the messy problem of determining whether the express requirement of the U.S. Constitution for a person to be POTUS is satisfied in the person of Obama. It is, however, messy now because of Obama’s actions and inactions. The lawsuits raising the issue have been around for a while, and the current problem stems from the fact that Obama has refused to release the original birth certificate and other documents that would either dispose of the question or show he is not qualified to be POTUS under the express language of the U.S. Constitution. What Obama has released does not conclusively establish that Obama was born in Hawaii and that he is a natural born citizen.
When the issue came up as to John McCain, he did a full public disclosure of all possible relevant documents and hired Larry Tribe and Ted Olsen to address the legal analysis to establish that McCain was and is qualified to be POTUS. Senate Resolution 511 reflects that conclusion. John McCain, a man of character, is a patriot who loves America and reveres America’s Constitution and who acted and acts accordingly.
What, in contrast, is Obama hiding? Why should not Obama adhere to the same level of conduct as John McCain?
So, the issue should be addressed by the U.S. Supreme Court. Granted, this is a terrible situation, but I repeat: it has arisen because of Obama’s actions and inactions.
Phil Byler on December 8, 2008 at 9:03 PM
I’ll just blame the French. Why not?
Logic, you escape me.
Entelechy on December 8, 2008 at 9:05 PM
One indication that the birth certificate issue about Obama is meritorious is that Keith Olberman tonight on his show has called the controversy ridiculous.
Phil Byler on December 8, 2008 at 9:05 PM
Phil Byler,
Very nicely said, sir.
Christien on December 8, 2008 at 9:06 PM
Leo Donofrio fights back, he needs our support !!
Cort Wrotnowski’s emergency application for a stay and/or injunction as to the Electoral College meeting on Dec. 15 was today referred to the full Court by the Honorable Associate Justice Anotonin Scalia.
It has been distributed for Conference
of Friday December 12.
The official case name is WROTNOWSKI v. BYSIEWICZ, United States Supreme Court Docket No. 08A469.
The Wrotnowski Supreme Court application was prepared by Leo Donofrio, Esq. and is centered on the same issue from Donofrio’s case which was discussed by the Supreme Court in its conference of December 5 – whether Barack Obama is not eligible to the office of President due to the fact that he was a British citizen at the time of his birth.
As stated by John Quincy Adams:
“Patience and perseverance have a magical effect before which difficulties disappear and obstacles vanish.
”
http://naturalborncitizen. wordpress. com/
Capt-Dax on December 8, 2008 at 9:16 PM
Obama’s Kenyan birth certificate killed Vince Foster.
e-pirate on December 8, 2008 at 9:19 PM
Here’s the working link.
Entelechy on December 8, 2008 at 9:24 PM
As long as we are discussing phony forged documents put up on the net by Factcheck.org and KOS, how about the fact that Barry’s (aka Obama’s) Selective Service Registration form looks to be forged too.
Debbie Schlussel had this story back on November 13, 2008 she says; “if the signature on the document is in fact his, our next Commander-in-Chief may have committed a federal crime in 2008, well within the statute of limitations on the matter”.
Question for the anti truth crowd; How come every official document found is irregular in this charlatans history?
ScottyDog on December 8, 2008 at 9:30 PM
They seek it here, they seek it there
The Constitutionalists seek it everywhere
If you should see it, please do give a yell!
That elusive Obama birth certificate that could be from Hell
They seek it here, they seek it there
The Constitutionalists seek it everywhere
Oh, Barry, how the Constitutionalists do implore you
Simply to take it out of your lock box or from under your bed
With all your hiding
It’s a chore to look ahead!
They seek it here, they seek it there
Those Constitutionalists seek it everywhere!
Barry gives the Constitutionalists nothing but frustration
Sink me! He’s a spoilsport
Each and every demmed revelation
He has been able to cut short
They seek it here, they seek it there
The Constitutionalists seek it everywhere
Is it in Hawaii or in Kenya
One thing we know for sure
The country sure seems to be going to Hell!
PercyB on December 8, 2008 at 9:31 PM
Press Release 12/08/08: U. S. Supreme Court
U. S. Supreme Court asked to issue an injunction to stay electorial votes on December 15, 2008..
until Obama proves he is “qualified” to be President
as this is the largest “HOAX” in 200 years.
Philip J. Berg, Esquire
555 Andorra Glen Court, Suite 12
Lafayette Hill, PA 19444-2531
Cell (610) 662-3005
(610) 825-3134
(800) 993-PHIL [7445]
Fax (610) 834-7659
http://www.obamacrimes.com/
according to affidavits presented in the Berg v. Obama to the Supreme Court, Sarah Obama,
Mr.Obama’s paternal grandmother has repeatedly stated that Barack Obama was born in Kenya and she was present at the hospital, when he was born,
which means that Mr. Obama is not a Natural Born Citizen and not qualified for Presidency.
My Blogg:http://thecaptiansquarters.blogspot.com/
Capt-Dax on December 8, 2008 at 9:36 PM
Kara at 8:25
In 2000 the rules were being changed in mid-stream. Republicans cried foul.
In 2008 the rules in place for a couple centuries now are being ignored. Some are crying foul.
If the democrats had wanted the rules to be kept in EITHER election we would have no problem.
Bear in mind that if Obama is disqualified the most likely next president will be Hillary Clinton. Not exactly my first choice. But for me – as for most who don’t care if they are called “birthers” or any other sticks or stones in vogue – I don’t care as much about who gets in as HOW they get in.
If they get in by breaking the rules and threats of violence, it’s not cool with me.
So what were you saying?
justincase on December 8, 2008 at 10:05 PM
Speaking of threats of violence… I remember when Republican President Richard Nixon was forced out of office. All the republicans in my neighborhood trashed cars, burned down whole blocks, looted entire shopping centers, raped, murdered and ripped the tags off our sofas and pillows. There were rivers of blood in the stree……
Oh, wait a minute..That didn’t happen… I remember my staunchly Republican father saying “If he’s done wrong, he’s got to go”….
bullseye on December 8, 2008 at 10:34 PM
Let me get this straight.In this country if you are a Dem. you do not have to prove anything to become Pres. your age ,birth place,just say all the right thing and nothing else.What a country.We don,t need any courts any congress just a slick talking snake oil salesman.
thmcbb on December 8, 2008 at 10:36 PM
Ahhhh…. great….
another headline up above that Mischaracterizes the nature of the lawsuit in question…
Hate to say it… but Hot Air is loosing credibility by posting Headlines that are eroneous and misleading… kinda like the MSM….
Romeo13 on December 8, 2008 at 10:49 PM
Hopefully SCOTUS will remedy that problem by issuing a stay and a new election will be held with somebody that qualifies for holding office this Friday.
ScottyDog on December 8, 2008 at 10:52 PM
Just got home, running late………….
…………. so what’s been going on around here?
/sarc (I have recently been reminded that I need to include this when being so………………..)
Seven Percent Solution on December 8, 2008 at 10:54 PM
I still want to see the birth certificate, because I do not know if Osama Obama meets the Constitutional requirements to be President.
What I do know is that no one running for — or elected to — such a high office has ever hidden, lied about and evaded his past to the extent Obama has. Not only are great chunks of his history suppressed, but no one from those hidden times has come forth to say anything about him.
Whether this is simply another example of Obama’s arrogance, his insistence that we lesser mortals should accept him because he expects us to, I do not know.
I would not hire a store clerk who was so unwilling to produce evidence that he is who he claims to be, that he has done what he claims to have done.
To allow such an individual to become the most powerful man in the United States is an act of incredible folly.
Moreover, it makes a mockery of the Constitution, and that is totally unacceptable.
If he produces the necessary, simple proof that backs his claim to be eligible, then so be it. He won, and I will accept — if not appreciate — his claim to the office.
But the Constitution is far more important than Osama Obama, and if he can’t be bothered to prove that he abides by it, he must go.
MrScribbler on December 8, 2008 at 10:56 PM
HotAir’s “Boss” thinks those of us who question The Messiah on this issue are a bunch of demented troofers.
MrScribbler on December 8, 2008 at 10:58 PM
Hm. So you not only continue to promote a lawyer who tried to bring a suit against Bush claiming he was responsible for 9/11, but you ripped off Ed’s blog name by transposing a couple letters.
You done now? Shove off.
MadisonConservative on December 8, 2008 at 10:59 PM
even if obama provides a birth certificate, i will make a two hour long dvd (with a directors cut released, then a take two released later on) which will use the vast powers and knowledge i gained through community college and out of context statements to prove my case. anytime i am given evidence that proves otherwise, i will cry conspiracy or provide them with a list of all the people obama killed on his way to the presidency (though he did conspire with the clintons on at least half of them).
lolwut on December 8, 2008 at 11:07 PM
The problem with the supremes chickening out on taking this case is that by doing so, they have left the issue unresolved. For all the lying about Obama actually having produced his birth certificate, intelligent people who have looked at the whole thing and have a half a brain know this is not true. I have a birth certificate that looks nothing like this computer generated thing he posted on the internet and I was born in 1958. There is no actual information on it explaining who was the doctor, what was the hospital, etc etc. These things are and always have been on birth certificates, (not CERTIFICATIONS OF LIVE BIRTH) since well before 1961. Obama has made a tremendous and very expensive effort to hide from public view not only his birth certificate, but any other records that may list him as an immigrant, (Columbia University entrance application) or any other paper work that may tell the truth about him from his own lips many years ago. There is a very definite feeling in the country right now that things are just falling apart. The rule of law seems to have go the way it has in Mexico. It has become a joke. The American way is becoming the game of “get away with whatever you can get away with”. A large percentage of the population is extremely angry about this.
Look people, the truth will come out in this case. Either Obama will be proven to be ineligible for the office or the “ultra right wing” crazies will have egg on their face for pursuing such a ludicris story.
But the fact is, it has not been settled. With that kind of animosity hanging in the air, bad things can happen. Many people thought the JFK assassination was over the fact that a large number of people in the country thought JFK stole the election and was an illegitamate president. I think he propbably did steal the election, but I wouldn’t condone shooting him for that. But with Obama, you have that same problem times TEN, at least. You have a president who, if after the fact is proven to have lied about his citizenship, will anger the entire country to extremes, half who are angry that he lied and should not be president, and half, who just don’t give a damn about the “legal technicalities” and just want him to be president anyway.
The supremes did us no favor by not putting this to rest once and for all.
Bikerken on December 8, 2008 at 11:10 PM
Before the election I had a letter to the editor about Obama being a member of The New Party. It never ran in my small-town paper which has always printed everything. An acquaintance also had letters to the editor that weren’t printed and when he asked the editor what it would take to get published, the editor said, “You have to write something that won’t get me sued.”
I talked to the paper owner, who assured me that nobody had threatened to sue them and that Josh was just having some family problems and was distracted.
But for a while I’ve seen Fox become less reliable amidst complaints by Obama. And now I’ve seen bloggers and pundits I had respected suddenly saying, “Ooh, gross” to anybody who doesn’t try to blend into the media woodwork.
I think it’s junior high all over again. With media, credibility is everything. The MSM’s credibility is in the sewer except to ignorant people – who in turn think alternative media’s credibility is shot. It seems like Hot Air, Horowitz, Medved, etc are doing the Peggy Noonan trick: wanting everyone to consider them credible – even though the only way to be credible to morons is to be a moron as well.
I remember when someone first mentioned the birth certificate issue to me. I pooh-poohed it, not wanting to be a person who would make a mountain out of a molehill or try to steal an election on a technicality. But because I cared about the person who mentioned it I checked it out. I had no clue that there were contradictory statements by Obama and his relatives about what hospital he was born in. I didn’t know any of that stuff. Still I thought Obama couldn’t have gotten this far without any scrutiny.
When Berg filed suit and Obama chose to fight it, everything changed for me. Obama himself gave this credibility when he chose a high-powered (CAIR) lawyer rather than simply show his BC like McCain did. I realized then that he had NEVER been scruitinized in even the most basic sense – and he was fighting it claw and tooth.
I didn’t want to be a “Truther” type. I wanted to be able to look down my nose and tsk-tsk at those morons who believe everything they’re told. But out of respect for my acquaintance I checked out the facts and gave it a fair shake.
Those who are embarrassed to do the same – the Peggy Noonan types – are disrespecting us just like the MSM disrespects us. They think we’re gullible idiots. Rather than check out the facts and dare to stand on facts, they chose to separate from us and say, “Ooh, gross. I’m glad I’M not a nerd like them. I’M one of the cool gang. I fit in with the popular people.”
But we’ve had a credibility shake-up in the media world just as surely as in the financial world, and we have to start over at square one in the process of building trust. We don’t know who we can trust to tell us the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth.
We can throw around “image” just like Wall Street throws around stocks, but when push comes to shove a man’s word is worth nothing if it never matches reality on the ground. And the people we will find credible are the peope who deal in facts. The “cool people” need to learn they don’t gain any points with the rest of us by “image”, but by reporting reality.
justincase on December 8, 2008 at 11:20 PM
Mr Scribbler at 10:56
What I do know is that no one running for — or elected to — such a high office has ever hidden, lied about and evaded his past to the extent Obama has. Not only are great chunks of his history suppressed, but no one from those hidden times has come forth to say anything about him.>>>>
Actually, it’s happened once before – Chester Arthur. His behavior was identical to Obama’s. And now – over a hundred years later – we know why: He knew he was not a natural-born citizen.
Nobody believed the guy who tried telling the world that Chester Arthur was trying to hide something. Now the naturalization records of Arthur’s father reveal it all.
See http://naturalborncitizen.wordpress.com/
justincase on December 8, 2008 at 11:26 PM
Alright you younguns…enough of this jibber jabber.
The only question that matters is:
was it possible for a biracial child born in Kenya at the time Obama was born (ie under British rule) to have dual citizenship in Kenya and the United States?
Once we have a Kenya law EXPERT testify on this under oath (sorry, not YOU right2bright or allahpundit -)
then we can proceed to:
Was it also possible for a minor to be an Indonesian citizen AND to have maintained dual citizenship while attending Islamic school (as Obama did) and where are the records of such?
If Obama’s team has not responded by the Dec 1 court deadline that was set, is that not contempt of court?
And regardless of the C O L B, if Obama’s selective service documentation is shown to be fraudulent, is that enough to disqualify him from the presidency?
Once again I have to question what Hot Air has to gain by mocking these concerns – has Michele’s ‘baby’ been kidnapped?
BemusedMalkinite on December 8, 2008 at 11:31 PM
Mebbe so, mebbe so.
Do you suppose Osama Obama plans to use the “Chester A. Arthur Defense” if The Supremes actually take up this case?
BTW — I did read the article you linked to, and I have to say it was as convoluted (and, in some ways, unconvincing) as Obama’s pronouncements about himself. I wouldn’t take it to the bank.
MrScribbler on December 8, 2008 at 11:32 PM
I gotta add this, according to the Obama camp, and honestly I don’t know which one because they have clammed up so tightly about this whole issue, Obama’s mother and father flew to Hawaii the day before he was born, in Hawaii. Are we supposed to believe that a woman hours away from labor was allowed to board a plane from KENYA to HAWAII? That didn’t happen in 1961 folks. Planes were slow and they would never take the risk of having a baby on the plane. I don’t even think you could get away with that today.
Bikerken on December 8, 2008 at 11:37 PM
were they powered by hamsters in 1961?
lolwut on December 8, 2008 at 11:40 PM
The point Lowwit, is that you spent many hours onboard the plane and they would not accept the risk of having you on board, lest there was a complication in the birth and the baby died, making them libel. Pretty much the same today.
Bikerken on December 8, 2008 at 11:44 PM
it would suck if a baby died on the plane, which would make the airline write defamatory statements about it later on.
lolwut on December 8, 2008 at 11:47 PM
Excellent post.
However, at this point, I don’t think there’s any way to rebuild confidence in our important institutions. Like a bear market, there will be rallies in confidence, but in the end the trend is down, down, down, because we have all seen how things can really go. In good part, this is due to political correctness – which demands both lying and pretending not to know that something is a lie, to spare the tender emotions of some hypersensitive people and to alleviate the illusory guilt of others. But, those lies can’t be contained anymore than the misvalued risk from the sub-prime loans could be contained. This is the cost, and it’s a whopper.
progressoverpeace on December 8, 2008 at 11:47 PM
justincase on December 8, 2008 at 10:05 PM
hey i am with you. i was just saying, no matter which side you come down on, on this issue if you think you are right then you should want to have his vault copy of BC released. Because each side believes it will prove they are right, so why not show it.
hey i was like you, heard about it and said no way. just some nuts trying to start something. then started looking into it, no responses from obama, just lawyers and no vault copy of BC. then on and on and on. He could have put this to rest months ago and he did not. (and by the way he did not with the certification of live birth for you obama lovers out there).
just show the damn thing and lets move on. problem is folks he dont have one.
kara26 on December 8, 2008 at 11:48 PM
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