Breaking: Supreme Court declines to hear Obama birth certificate challenge
posted at 10:54 am on December 8, 2008 by Allahpundit
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Denials of cert rarely come with explanations and this one’s no exception, although the math doesn’t lie: They needed four votes to take Leo Donofrio’s case and between Roberts, Scalia, Thomas, Alito, and Kennedy, they couldn’t get there. End of the line for birth certificate Truthers? Of course not. There are windmills aplenty still to tilt at, as Dave Weigel explains:
How much further will the fight to de-certify Obama go? It won’t stop if the Electoral College votes for Obama, as the skeptics will try to get a congressman or senator to officially challenge the result. Rep. Chris Cannon of Utah was willing to believe that Bill Ayers wrote Dreams From My Father, so the skeptics might have a chance.
And if every vote certification goes off without a hitch and Obama is inaugurated on Jan. 20? Gary Kreep is ready for that.
“When Obama starts signing executive orders and legislation,” Kreep says, “I’ll be filing lawsuits unless and until he proves he’s an American citizen. Some judge, someday, is going to want this proved on the merits. You can run, but you can’t hide.”
David Horowitz ponders the galactic clusterfark that might have been had the Court taken the case. If anything good comes of this, it’ll be Congress and the states revisiting the “natural born” qualification, which must surely be the single dumbest operative clause in the Constitution. Exit question for WaPo, which helpfully informs its readers that “right-wing blogs were outraged” when Souter turned down Donofrio’s petition originally: Care to name one?
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I thought the Good Lt knew this.
Entelechy on December 8, 2008 at 4:19 PM
Brinksmanship.
And his demonstration that almost everyone in America is scared of it says all anyone would want to know about a country whose strategic defense strategy is Mutually Assured Destruction.
progressoverpeace on December 8, 2008 at 4:20 PM
Uh, why? If it was settled, why bring it up for a further conference? And why mark the origional case as still Pending, when most of the other cases were just plain denied…
Romeo13 on December 8, 2008 at 4:20 PM
They need to appeal to a court closer to THE MANGER.
marklmail on December 8, 2008 at 4:22 PM
Citizenship? Some of the media is actually laughing! Ha Ha Ha — silly Constitution.
I am not surprised that The One can’t bother with stupid questions like this one. Like the media keeps saying, about 84 million believers voted for him! And CBS, the Chicago Tribune and other sources said that Hawaiian officials confirmen the whole thing!
But for us sticklers:
I think that Hawaii releases records after 75 years. We can just wait another 29.5 years till we can actually SEE the actual birth certificate and catch OPRAH! each and every day till then!
ACORN is so hyped up that they think the WHOLE WORLD should vote in our next election! And it might happen.
Whhheeeeeee!!
IlikedAUH2O on December 8, 2008 at 4:22 PM
People think it’s a forgery. Whether it’s a valid belief or not, showing the birth certificate would shut the disbelievers up and make them look like idiots to boot.
So why do you think that the president-elect won’t do this?
Not quite. Another 9/11 investigation would cost much money and take months and months. Getting the president-elect’s birth certificate from Hawaii would take minutes and would cost the few dollars it would take to photocopy/scan/whatever the original.
One problem with nearly everyone here (there are a few exceptions): we act as though have a wrong opinion about a topic is the worst thing–it’s not. The worst thing is using faulty premises or discounting pertinent information to come to a conclusion about a given topic. Reaching a conclusion too early is also a big problem. (I’m talking about the folks in these comment thread arguing.)
I’m not convinced one way or the other yet because neither side has made an air-tight case. What I am convinced of is that people on both sides are scared of what will happen if it is revealed that those who want to see a birth certificate are correct.
baldilocks on December 8, 2008 at 4:22 PM
Or maybe Scalia is letting his personal views get in the way of his judgement, this is not unprecedented, he is a brilliant legal mind, but not always proper.
Squid Shark on December 8, 2008 at 4:25 PM
I was in an office today where the attitude was identical to some of the media — they thought it was a joke.
I pointed out that it was the supreme law and a document countless thousands had died to preserve.
One women said “Yea Mike and it was written how many centuries ago? With a lot of garbage in there aliens were different then, I’m sure.”
IlikedAUH2O on December 8, 2008 at 4:29 PM
Romeo13, you’re very good at research here. Can you email me offline at roleigh [at] pobox [dot] com?
Keep up the interesting postings, Romeo13
marti124 on December 8, 2008 at 4:29 PM
Sorry, Good Lt, I need to answer this better:
Obama’s mother was an American teenager and if a person was born outside of the US, his/her natural born American citizenship is determined by a parent’s citizenship and the length of time an individual parent has resided in the US as an adult.
About the 9/11 Troother issue, lunatics aren’t always wrong, which is why more information is needed to come to a conclusion about this matter. And only Obama can provide that info.
baldilocks on December 8, 2008 at 4:31 PM
As an American citizen I just simply want Him to do the simple and responsible thing of releasing His birth Certificate to verify that He is indeed constitutionally qualified to be President and CIC of he United States of America. I really don’t think that is much to ask, nor do I think that asking such makes someone one of the “Good Lt’s” conspiracy theorists hiding under his bed.
MB4 on December 8, 2008 at 4:32 PM
I`m sure it has been said but PULEEEZEE…what in the heck is the BIG deal about simply showing the BC?!? Most will fall in line like they are supposed to but for many others his Presidency will forever be circumspect. I dont see where the issue is, show the paper and silence the critics.
NY Conservative on December 8, 2008 at 4:32 PM
Hawaii requirements
Entelechy on December 8, 2008 at 4:32 PM
An example please.
Johan Klaus on December 8, 2008 at 4:33 PM
I imagine he has a lot to gain politically by making his opponents look like fringe, tinfoil hat lunatics. If you put out the fires, who knows, his opponents might start focusing their energy on his actual policies. This is a brilliant way to occupy the fringe on the right with trivial stuff while making them appear like truthers to the general public at the same time.
Here’s an interesting question: Would Geroge Bush have had a harder time getting reelected if Gore had graciously accepted defeat in Florida?
justfinethanks on December 8, 2008 at 4:33 PM
Of course.
That doesn’t, however, negate what I said.
baldilocks on December 8, 2008 at 4:34 PM
Scalia did not bring up the first one… Thomas did, and it was discussed…. then the intial Stay denied… but the case was still pending…
Then Scalia brings up an almost identical case? Why would he waste the courts time if he knew the way the “wind” was blosing… if this was settled law?
Makes no sense…
Romeo13 on December 8, 2008 at 4:35 PM
Wrong. Obama produced a copy of his Certificate of Live Birth, which is an entirely different animal. AND has been stated repeatedly, the COLB is subject of amendment.
The sealed birth certificate should be presented, at Obama’s release, to the government entities that certify his eligibility. Period. The Constitution demands it.
The vaguely worded assurances of an Hawaiian civil servant, no matter how high in the clerical food chain, and the sealing of the sacred document in a lock box, never to be scrutinized by those who determine eligibility are affronts to transparent accountability.
Alana’s points need to be understood by those of you who fail to fathom what proof means.
Like Alana, I am inclined to believe that Obama was born in Hawaii. However, Obama is most reluctant for Americans to know “the rest of the story”.
Obama’s peculiar behavior and exhorbitant money thrown at keeping the document unseen obfuscate with a lot of smoke and mirrors what could be cleared with a little sunshine. Instead, he leads the skeptical to suspect that there is a smoldering fire.
onlineanalyst on December 8, 2008 at 4:35 PM
bout sums it up, I`ll take curtain #4 please
NY Conservative on December 8, 2008 at 4:38 PM
Two Questions:
Shouldn’t the media have done this?
Why doesn’t Arnold sue?
Then have SCOTUS handle all the cases. Like next week so we can have a new process in New Hampshire early next year.
IlikedAUH2O on December 8, 2008 at 4:40 PM
I’ll take curtain #4, also.
Thank you, baldilocks, for being the voice of reason. There is no legitimate reason for him not to release his birth certificate and collegiate and law school records.
If he is just trying to irritate those who want to see them, that is extremely childish.
kingsjester on December 8, 2008 at 4:41 PM
Donofrio is wondering if they denied his because the lower court judge, Sabatino, still had fraudulent information in the case history. Donofrio filed an obstruction of justice complaint against Sabatino but if that wasn’t resolved and the case history wasn’t corrected, then the Supremes would have to deny it because it didn’t reach their desk properly.
This gives me hope that maybe the Supremes haven’t given up on the Constitution yet.
I’ve got my flag flying upside down and I think I’ll keep it that way. This nation IS in distress. Hope is still alive though. The Wrotkowski (sp?) case is better than Donofrio’s and doesn’t have the procedural glitch.
I sure hope Sabatino gets his rear end handed to him though.
justincase on December 8, 2008 at 4:43 PM
And another fantasy from a sad JD holder.
Could you imagine the possible civil suit against the DNC for presenting an unqualified candidate?
IlikedAUH2O on December 8, 2008 at 4:43 PM
It is only because, for whatever reason, Obama has been so derelict to the constitution by being so unforthcoming on this that any of this is even a topic for discussion. It is all on Him. At this point the important matter is why has He been doing this shenanigans and why has He gotten away with it, not what His birth certificate actually says, but why He won’t let us know what it says. Is He above the law already?
MB4 on December 8, 2008 at 4:44 PM
Good, now move along and blame Bush for all this stuff.
Obama isn’t eligible because his father was a Kenyan and thus a Brisitsh citizen. Obama’s own web site states that!
The founder’s were trying to prevent dual allegiances in POTUS and Obama certainly has that problem. He interfered in Kenya’s last election, while a US senator. The guy he was promoting has caused a genocide against Christians in northern Kenya.
Obama scares the crap out of me. Who else does he represent? Who else is blackmailing him or is he indebted to for all those illegal foreign campaign donations? Palestinians, Iran, Russia???
txdoc on December 8, 2008 at 4:45 PM
They’re not being childish. They’re arrogant and proving that they don’t agree with the constitution, and that they can circumvent it, without amending it. They are above it, selectively. If it were a conservative case, they’s yell from the top of the tallest roof, incessantly, or they’d cry live babies.
Entelechy on December 8, 2008 at 4:45 PM
Well, we have about a dozen blind squirrel’s posting here…and they all found the same nut, Berg.
right2bright on December 8, 2008 at 4:45 PM
Ok… on one side, we now have the Proofers…
on the other….
Dismissers? Deniers?
Romeo13 on December 8, 2008 at 4:51 PM
And apparently at least TWO of those blind squirels, are US Supreme Court Justices….
Romeo13 on December 8, 2008 at 4:53 PM
Being a conservative in America traditionally has meant that one holds a deep, abiding respect for the Constitution. We conservatives believe sincerely in the integrity of the Constitution. Ever good American should line up and kick Barack Obama and his supporters in this matter right in the ass [updated].
- Barry Goldwater
MB4 on December 8, 2008 at 4:53 PM
Why single-out Scalia ? What about Kennedy & the others ?
They all do it, and WE keep them till they don’t croak
macncheez on December 8, 2008 at 4:53 PM
Let me try this again:
I got one post response, an answer to #1; the expert was a “self proclaimed expert”, that is what you are basing your arguments on, a “self proclaimed expert”.
Well I will overlook that foolish answer, so let’s go for one of the other three.
It’s only been about two weeks of debate, and still no answer to: What official has stated that Obama has not met the criteria of producing said document?
right2bright on December 8, 2008 at 4:54 PM
Please…was that ruling on the certificate of birth, or the suit regarding natural born citizens?
right2bright on December 8, 2008 at 4:56 PM
Hawaii doesn’t consider that “valid form of documentation” to be sufficient proof that you were born in Hawaii, as has been pointed out. For the Hawaii Home Lands Program, for instance, they won’t accept that “valid form of documentation”. They require applicants to submit their long-form Certificate of Live Birth (which could not have been later amended, as the Certification might have).
Besides, isn’t there strong precedent from the left for needing to investigate this thoroughly?
Weren’t we taught earlier that it’s not the nature of the evidence, but the seriousness of the charge that warrants investigation? How much more serious of a charge could be made?
VekTor on December 8, 2008 at 4:56 PM
Arrogance at it root is childish.
thomasaur on December 8, 2008 at 4:58 PM
thomasaur on December 8, 2008 at 5:01 PM
sorry, you came in reallllllllyyyy late to the discussion.
So I guess the Dual Citizen not a Natural Born folks are no longer truthers?
Just the want to see the real Birth Cert folks are?
Trying to keep up here… but the spin is a bit much.
Romeo13 on December 8, 2008 at 5:03 PM
I am the ONLY one that found the right nut. Macadamia nuts to be exact. I won’t rehash from last week but don’t foget the Sukarno-Van Der Sloot-Hawaii-Macadamia Nut-Kenya-Jack Ruby-Skin Rash connection. Surely if you Google that it will all be made clearer.
grdred944 on December 8, 2008 at 5:05 PM
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That was exactly my point (See my earlier post at 3:55 PM)
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Not necessarily a case merge but there may have been too many questions regarding the way the lower courts handled the case (which resulted in an official allegation of Judicial Misconduct against Appellate Division Judge Jack M. Sabatino with the NJ Supreme Court’s Advisory Committee on Judicial Conduct)that worked against Donofrio’s case. However, he basically wrote a similar but better brief for Wrotnowski. That case has a much “cleaner” history in the lower courts and that could make a big difference.
NightmareOnKStreet on December 8, 2008 at 5:05 PM
The difference is we have official quotes from the dept. that head up these things confirming the information is accurate and consistent with the original.
We have a 50 year history of Hawaii having this certificate.
We have no proof anyone has ever been born somewhere else and put down Hawaii (for at least 50 years).
We have no public official stating Obama’s credentials are not acceptable.
We have no recognized (”self” not included) expert claiming Obama’s documents are anything but accurate.
So us deniers have all those facts on our side and you have what?
A youtube expert, a self proclaimed expert, Berg, and a few dozen bloggers, claiming they know that he was born in:
Kenya
Somewhere in Middle East
Somalia
On a plane
On a boat
At home
In a hospital
And stolaf who thinks he is the spawn of the devil…
This is just a hunch, but I think, just a hunch now, but I think my side may have just a tad bit more credibility then Berg who filed a suit and wants to know why Bush allowed (and help plan) the 9/11 to happen.
Hey, but Berg could be right on this…you guys have a great leader, keep supporting him, you deserve each other.
right2bright on December 8, 2008 at 5:06 PM
Yeah, saw that after I had hit post…. good job…
Romeo13 on December 8, 2008 at 5:07 PM
5. People who just read those categories and have gone from thinking they were the smart cool kids to feeling there must be some undiscovered 5th category.
econavenger on December 8, 2008 at 5:09 PM
Yes, I was being spoken to in code and didn’t catch it…don’t forget in about 1961 we stopped importing pistachio’s from the middle east (remember they were red dyed, but we outlawed red dye #41)…I am sure that is tied into this mess somehow.
Of course don’t forget the Nostradamus prediction…
“From the banana tree, a nut will fall”…banana being code word for Hawaii, and of course the “nut-gate” regarding Obama’s father.
It is all clear now, I see the light…
right2bright on December 8, 2008 at 5:11 PM
Do they loons even realize that Kenya was under British rule until 1963??
AprilOrit on December 8, 2008 at 5:11 PM
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Romeo13, Indeed. And sorry I missed YOURS! Good stuff!
NightmareOnKStreet on December 8, 2008 at 5:13 PM
I thought I had banned you from these posts you heathen non-believer…I cast away your spirit…I spin three times and cough in your face…
The answer will be…So? he was still born in out of the country…probably in a manger…wasn’t there a bright light over Kenya in 1961?
right2bright on December 8, 2008 at 5:15 PM
Great posting and research, NightmareOnKStreet. Can you email me at roleigh [at] pobox [dot] com offline? thanks!
marti124 on December 8, 2008 at 5:16 PM
But then you knew all that…. you’ve seen the same info for days now, and won’t admit a single point.
You continue with the same disprooven, or at the very least, questionable arguements… instead of asking for a few simple documents that you would have to provide for joining the military, to be produced for the future commander in chief.
Romeo13 on December 8, 2008 at 5:17 PM
HA! schwing! He shoots… he scores!
rslancer14 on December 8, 2008 at 5:17 PM
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baldilocks, You’re better than that. Go do the research OR LOOK FOR MY 50 PRIOR POSTS ABOUT IT. I don’t have time to explain- I’m on my way out the door. Later if I get a chance I will leave you links.
NightmareOnKStreet on December 8, 2008 at 5:17 PM
Can’t argue against that :)
Entelechy on December 8, 2008 at 5:17 PM
Well… seeing as how this particular loon was one who, months ago, discounted the Kenyan connection, and brought up British Law?
Yes, its been discussed numerous times.
Romeo13 on December 8, 2008 at 5:18 PM
I could not have said it any better. This court may as well be the NAU division of the fascist World Court!
BobAnthony on December 8, 2008 at 5:19 PM
Oh no! Freaker birthers are going to boycott Hawaii.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2145030/posts
Dude.
getalife on December 8, 2008 at 5:21 PM
The scrotum is just empty of useful contents.
thomasaur on December 8, 2008 at 5:24 PM
Well, I’m glad to know that the Obama BC truthers aren’t blending with any other kinds of truthers. *cough*
MadisonConservative on December 8, 2008 at 5:27 PM
Allah, I expect better research out of you. Leo Donofrio’s case is NOT about the birth certificate. Donofrio believes Obama was born in Hawaii and has repeatedly said that his case has nothing to do with the BC. It’s about what Obama HIMSELF admitted on his own Fight the Smears website: that Obama SR. was not a US Citizen at the time of Obama JR.’s birth, but was instead a BRITISH subject. Therefore, Obama, while himself IS a US Citizen, is not a NATURAL BORN citizen; and THAT makes all the difference. The US Constitution declares in Art. 2 Sec 1 that to be POTUS, one must be a “natural born citizen”. It is generally held that to be a Natural Born Citizen, BOTH parents must be US Citizens at the time of their children’s birth. This is not rocket science, Allah, but you got it wrong in this post. Allah, you are as bad as the MSM on this case. The MSM has misrepresented Donofrio’s case as being about the BC and now you’re doing it, too? I can’t believe this, I thought you were better than that. Lately, I have left HA in favor of Donofrio’s own blog, Natural Born Citizen and also for Texas Darlin blog, and of course, Atlas Shrugs.
Oh, and it NOT OVER yet. SCOTUS has NOT yet denied Cort Wrotnowski’s case. Donfrio thinks that that one may yet be heard because it has a “cleaner” lower court history compared to his own that was sabatoged (sp?) by the lower NJ court.
HA readers, if you want the TRUTH you will go to the blogs mentioned above. I’m afraid that in this case, HA is not the place to go, sadly.
-Aslan’s Girl
Aslans Girl on December 8, 2008 at 5:27 PM
LOL… that was pretty funny….
I have to give Hawaii state officials support on this. They are only following the law as written… not their fault and they certainly should not be punished for keeping Privacy of citizens intact.
Romeo13 on December 8, 2008 at 5:27 PM
It was probably denied, not because the case was bad, but because the procedure, due to lower court treachery, was not “clean”. Wait until Wrotnowski’s case is heard within the next seven days before you come to the conclusion that anything was truly decided today.
-Aslan’s Girl
Aslans Girl on December 8, 2008 at 5:30 PM
I wonder if Kenyan Ambassador Peter N.R.O. Ogego is working for all of us nutjobs:
Just one more person for Good Lt. and Not2Bright to call a nutjob. I wonder why the Kenyan Ambassador would lie about it.
Gregor on December 8, 2008 at 5:34 PM
april, I’m sure you aware that BO was a triple citizen at birth – US/UK/Kenyan.
British Nationality Act of 1948
His Kenyan citizenship expired in 1982 (or so says Obama on his own website)
faraway on December 8, 2008 at 5:34 PM
I second this.
progressoverpeace on December 8, 2008 at 5:34 PM
You are saying that Hawaii have only been using Certificate of birth since 2007? I don’t think you are accurate on that, they have been using this certificate for decades, and every person born receives this as the official document of birth. Accepted by all agencies.
And the rest you agree with me, no official has stated that it is a forgery, and no respected expert has stated it is anything but correct and accurate.
So we have 100% agreement (luckily someone posted that official statement about the accuracy or you would continue down this path)…
right2bright on December 8, 2008 at 5:34 PM
Meant to put the link on that last post:
Here it is.
Gregor on December 8, 2008 at 5:35 PM
Here is the money quote from Obama on his own website in which he ADMITS that he is NOT Natural Born, but rather he states, “native” born. His ineliginbilty is hidden in PLAIN sight!
-Aslan’s Girl
Aslans Girl on December 8, 2008 at 5:36 PM
right2bright, you are on here 24 hours a day trying to stop inquiry into Obama’s citizenship. And you call others crazy. Step outside, breathe the air.:)
faraway on December 8, 2008 at 5:37 PM
Well, that seals it for me…along with the self proclaimed expert, and Berg (right after he sues Bush for masterminding 9/11), and that doggone spokesperson.
Give me that link so I can post it above my bed…thanks, got to have that link.
right2bright on December 8, 2008 at 5:38 PM
LOL…. actualy… he may be a US/British/Indonesian Citizen…
Or, if he was actualy born in Kenya (which I don’t believe), as his Mother was not 19 (and you had to have 5 years of residency after the age of 14 to pass on citizenship through the Mother), then he would be a Brit/Indonesian… and not even a Legal US Citizen…
Or, He could be some combination in there, depending on what paperwork he, and his Mother, and adopted Father, did over the years.
Romeo13 on December 8, 2008 at 5:39 PM
Also, Ed, AP, and MM keep posting about this subject day after day saying how silly it is to talk about it. Yet… here we are again on the 5th page of yet another post.
faraway on December 8, 2008 at 5:41 PM
Yeah, Gang, I realized a long time ago that as long as Barry has himself, he’ll never be alone. It’s just almost like he’s saying, “Nyah, Nyah, Nyah, Nyah, Nyah, you can’t see it.” If there is nothing wrong with the Birth Certificate, produce it. If there is nothing wrong on the higher education transcripts, produce them. Bottom line.
kingsjester on December 8, 2008 at 5:41 PM
Or perhaps he just doesn’t give a rat’s a$$ about what a bunch of war-happy, cross-wearing clowns think about the issue. The majority of the voters don’t care, SCOTUS doesn’t care and neither does the rest of the world. Keep “clinging” you H/A hags.
dk on December 8, 2008 at 5:42 PM
romeo, he was a UK citizen at birth because his father was a UK citizen and BO II is a direct descendant per the British Nationality Act of 1948. Plus, obviously he was also therefore a Kenyan citizen at birth – which he has admitted to.
Obama is obfuscating the UK citizenship on his website and that is his achille’s heel.
faraway on December 8, 2008 at 5:45 PM
sigh,
Obamas doc was created in 2007, which is exactly what I said. It is a computer generated form based on the information in a computer, when the database of said information may or may not have been modified multiple times across the years… Garbage In, Garbage out.
And we’ve been round and round about your “spokesmans” illegal quote (giving information) and that mischaracterizes a dirct quote that WE HAVE SOURCE MATERIAL ON.
Sigh… I guess you think that if you repeat a lie enough, it makes it true?
Romeo13 on December 8, 2008 at 5:45 PM
Thanks for the link. Very interesting to say the least.
txsurveyor on December 8, 2008 at 5:45 PM
Heh! Not2Bright, finally in the company he belongs. Say hello to your new friend.
Gregor on December 8, 2008 at 5:45 PM
dk, those who don’t care about America being a nation of laws have a duty to NOT VOTE.
justincase on December 8, 2008 at 5:45 PM
I will when someone can answer the four simple questions…so far we have a self proclaimed expert…and someone who states that the certificate of birth has only been used since 2007, which is untrue.
Tell me faraway, which question do you want to answer…
I have a feeling none…I have a feeling you have no answers, you are just a truther caught up in the hysteria.
And I love to throw cold water of reality into the dazed eyes of fantasy…
What do you say about the official of Hawaii stating that Obama was born in Honolulu in accordance with his real birth certificate….whaddya think, she was a commie?
right2bright on December 8, 2008 at 5:46 PM
Ok, so that means that… RBMN says that a Tribune reporter says that Janice Okubo says that Dr. Fukino is “saying” that Obama was born in Hawaii.
Well, what more could anyone want? /eyeroll
The Hawaii Health Department has already publicly stated that it would be ILLEGAL under Hawaii state law for any of their employees to comment on the contents of Obama’s long-form Certificate of Live Birth… even to confirm if he was born in Hawaii.
So from this, the allegation we should take away is that Okubo is implicitly pointing out illegal activity on the part of Fukino (and perhaps herself)?
It’s not like there’s any kind of history of reporters misinterpreting or reading more into official statements than is actually there, right?
If Dr. Fukino would like to come out publicly and say point-blank that the official position of the Hawaii Health Depratment is what Okubo is interpreting her to be “saying”, there are plenty of venues that would be happy to line up to get tape of the statement, and broadcast it far and wide.
Why the need for layers of indirection?
VekTor on December 8, 2008 at 5:47 PM
and your friend is Berg…are you joining him in his lawsuit against Bush for planning 9/11?
right2bright on December 8, 2008 at 5:47 PM
right2bright and his twin dakine are robot trolls – posting the same thing over and over 24 hours a day
faraway on December 8, 2008 at 5:48 PM
dk on December 8, 2008 at 5:42 PM
Charming and respectful as always. They’re featuing the Obama Presidential Plate Set over on Kos. If you hurry, you can catch it.
kingsjester on December 8, 2008 at 5:48 PM
Yep, but he may very well have been an Indonesian Citizen in there as well… if he was adopted by Soetoro legaly, as his name change suggests.
And thats just it… we do know he is a Brit (unless he did the paperwork to give it up sometime)… not POSITIVE about US (Kenya birth with mother too young, unlikely but possible)… don’t know Indonesian (depends on adoption status, and later paperwork)…
Talk about a mess.
Romeo13 on December 8, 2008 at 5:48 PM
Allah and Obama agree : The Constitiution is “flawed”. Wow. Why do I feel that it’s a bad sign for a “right-wing” blog to agree with Obama? Maybe that’s why I haven’t been coming here as much as I used to…
-Aslan’s Girl
Aslans Girl on December 8, 2008 at 5:49 PM
That is what she stated, by email and word…you don’t have to believe her.
Hence the name truther…
right2bright on December 8, 2008 at 5:49 PM
and you can’t answer even one of 4 simple questions…
right2bright on December 8, 2008 at 5:50 PM
You’re wasting your time responding to Not2Bright. He’s a fraud and this is all he does. He sits on message boards and reposts misinformation, usually the same exact posts over and over until you just give up. Look back and see how many times he posts the same exact questions, while claiming nobody will answer them, even after they’ve been answered several times by many different people.
No matter the amount of evidence you throw at him, he’ll continue to claim you aren’t responding, or that he’s shattered your evidence. He’s a clown. You’re better off simply ignoring him rather than responding to him directly.
This is his job:
Gregor on December 8, 2008 at 5:52 PM
This is the dumbest argument available. Do you think that any side of any case the ACLU is on must be wrong because of the morons at the ACLU? If you filed a suit and the ACLU filed an amicus brief on your side, would you withdraw your case because of the whackjobs at the ACLU being on your side?
Lady Liberty, scales, blindfold.
Understand?
progressoverpeace on December 8, 2008 at 5:52 PM
Right on cue. Good job. See post on December 8, 2008 at 5:52 PM
Never take a word this moron says seriously.
Gregor on December 8, 2008 at 5:55 PM
<blockquoteWe are no longer a nation of laws.
Dissent. Resist. Revolt.
Let’s roll.
ex-Democrat on December 8, 2008 at 10:57 AM
Yes, we are a nation of anarchy now.
crr6 on December 8, 2008 at 5:56 PM
I don’t need read your other posts to know that, having been born under the exact same set of circumstances as Obama [claims], I never had British citizenship. Now I might not have known one way or the other, except that I was interviewed about this my father’s citizenship and whereabouts when I applied for an AFSC which required that applicants be natural-born citizens not ever having held dual-citizenship.
Thanks for asking.
baldilocks on December 8, 2008 at 5:59 PM
Incorrect.
The anchor baby portion of the 14th Amendment is the dumbest.
cannonball on December 8, 2008 at 6:00 PM
I wonder if anyone in the press is ever going to ask BHO about these cases? … Just ask him, to get the point of view of a “Constitutional Law expert” on a point of Constitutionality?
Nah. That would be politically incorrect.
progressoverpeace on December 8, 2008 at 6:00 PM
Again, he could not have had Kenyan citizenship at birth because the nation-state of Kenya did not exist yet in 1961.
baldilocks on December 8, 2008 at 6:02 PM
Ace is the only one of the right-leaning blogs I’ve read who gets it. The rest seem more concerned with what the mainstream media think about them.
I guess Ace is now considered the official spokesperson for the “right wing” blogosphere, which is fine by me, in this instance anyway.
Y-not on December 8, 2008 at 6:05 PM
I’m reasonably confident that a reporter made that claim.
It would explain a lot of your previous behavior if you’d just admit outright to everyone that, as far as you’re concerned, if a reporter makes a claim or an interpretation of something, then it must be the truth. You clearly seem to have acted on that position many times before.
I don’t know if the reporter accurately represented what happened. I’ve seen several instances now of reporters making claims about quotes (on this subject) that were NOT factually supported by the actual underlying official quotations, so there’s some reason to be cautious in this regard.
I also don’t know if Okubo’s interpretation of what Dr. Fukino is “saying” is accurate or not, nor do I know if that interpretation is the official policy of the Hawaii Health Department.
I do know that it was reported earlier that the Hawaii Health Department had pointed out that such a revelation would be illegal under Hawaii law, so we’re left with something of a contradiction.
How would you like to resolve that?
Was the Hawaii Health Department wrong that such a revelation is illegal?
Is Fukino breaking the law with such a revelation? Is Okubo?
Is Okubo misinterpreting Fukino’s official position? Is the original reporting of the illegality in error? Is the current reporting on Okubo’s statement in error?
How do you reconcile the fundamental problem that arises when these past and current representations of statements are taken together?
VekTor on December 8, 2008 at 6:08 PM
I’m wondering whether my sworn allegiance in the US Armed Forces counted as giving up this alleged UK citizenship.
I can vouch for the US citizenship if born in the US (my American mother was 19 when I was born). Can’t speak about the Indonesia part from experience, but didn’t someone post a law here which stated that a parent cannot force citizenship status on a minor child?
baldilocks on December 8, 2008 at 6:11 PM
To be honest, I think that the powers that be are afraid of what would happen if it is discovered that there is something disqualifying on the birth certificate. How would the Left react?
Think California’s Proposition 8 and multiply the react exponentially.
Thy don’t want to go there. Even guys like Scalia.
baldilocks on December 8, 2008 at 6:15 PM
Donofrio responds on his blog to the point earlier raised by two posters here, that point being worded on Donofrio’s blog by a commenter there as worded “The stay was denied, but not the writ. Says your case is still pending. Could they still be considering the writ portion?”
Donofrio responded to this comment as such: “[ Ed. Cort was informed last Tuesday by the Clerk's office that the papers he hand delivered were submitted directly to Justice Scalia. The Docket says so and is a public document.]”
However, Donofrio says his issues are much better positioned in the sibling case still in the queue for the SCOTUS to consider. Read his post on today’s events.
marti124 on December 8, 2008 at 6:17 PM
Only with rith respect to renouncing US citizenship, someone posted that on one of the headline threads.
And that is the most dangerous aspect of it all. Get enough people in the streets (or even just the perceived threat of that happening) and all law will immediately be thrown out to placate the (perceived) mob. Not good.
progressoverpeace on December 8, 2008 at 6:18 PM
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