Breaking: Supreme Court declines to hear Obama birth certificate challenge
posted at 10:54 am on December 8, 2008 by Allahpundit
Denials of cert rarely come with explanations and this one’s no exception, although the math doesn’t lie: They needed four votes to take Leo Donofrio’s case and between Roberts, Scalia, Thomas, Alito, and Kennedy, they couldn’t get there. End of the line for birth certificate Truthers? Of course not. There are windmills aplenty still to tilt at, as Dave Weigel explains:
How much further will the fight to de-certify Obama go? It won’t stop if the Electoral College votes for Obama, as the skeptics will try to get a congressman or senator to officially challenge the result. Rep. Chris Cannon of Utah was willing to believe that Bill Ayers wrote Dreams From My Father, so the skeptics might have a chance.
And if every vote certification goes off without a hitch and Obama is inaugurated on Jan. 20? Gary Kreep is ready for that.
“When Obama starts signing executive orders and legislation,” Kreep says, “I’ll be filing lawsuits unless and until he proves he’s an American citizen. Some judge, someday, is going to want this proved on the merits. You can run, but you can’t hide.”
David Horowitz ponders the galactic clusterfark that might have been had the Court taken the case. If anything good comes of this, it’ll be Congress and the states revisiting the “natural born” qualification, which must surely be the single dumbest operative clause in the Constitution. Exit question for WaPo, which helpfully informs its readers that “right-wing blogs were outraged” when Souter turned down Donofrio’s petition originally: Care to name one?
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LOL! Nice. Obama purposely locks his birth certificate away under high security, and orders nobody to release it, and your answer to that is that it’s on us to produce it?
HAHAHAHAHAHA!
Brilliant.
And this is the lunacy that we’re dealing with. No wonder the country is falling apart.
Gregor on December 8, 2008 at 1:20 PM
BOO FRICKIN’ HOO you H/A hags. Get over it, the people voted and your guy lost. But hey, at least you’ll have your own “Rathergate” to keep you busy for the next 4 years.
dk on December 8, 2008 at 1:20 PM
good lt, that’s the dumbest thing I have ever read at HA.
faraway on December 8, 2008 at 1:20 PM
Ahem…Revolution is about an axis, so therefore I think you may have meant to say… “Get off my axis.”
Marine_Bio on December 8, 2008 at 1:20 PM
When Obama Himself refuses to do the easy as pie act of releasing his birth certificate, such a simple and reasonable matter, to establish His constitutional eligibility to be U.S. President, it is only “conspiratorial nonsense” creation on His part. Did you not take an oath to defend the U.S. Constitution?
MB4 on December 8, 2008 at 1:21 PM
you’re arrogance knows no boundaries
wise_man on December 8, 2008 at 1:21 PM
From what I can see, you’re the one who started this “game”. I’m not saying I disagree with you, but if you’re going to insult people, don’t get upset when they return the favor.
Esthier on December 8, 2008 at 1:21 PM
Well, some of us do, my lovely little troll.
The rest of us are trying to talk some sense into them.
Good Lt on December 8, 2008 at 1:22 PM
Spot on Good Lt.
dakine on December 8, 2008 at 1:22 PM
If it is ever proven that Obama assumed the Presidency and that he was actually ineligible for the job and that the MSM turned a blind eye to the Constitution it will be the most egregious error ever made by one group of people to undermine the fabric of the American way of life which is founded on the principle of the rule of law and not political partisanship.
technopeasant on December 8, 2008 at 1:22 PM
Yup.
You’re the ones claiming that the information given is not real, fake, a diversion, an evasion, a fraud, etc.
OK. Find the real one, or direct us to where we may find it.
IF THERE IS ONE…DUN DUN DUN!
Good Lt on December 8, 2008 at 1:23 PM
Logical fallacy.
The Constitution has a written job requirement of President.
We are asking for proof that he meets that requirment.
Just like your employer asked for documentation before giving you a job…
Romeo13 on December 8, 2008 at 1:23 PM
Then you haven’t been reading the creationism/atheism wars/ID threads, or you haven’t been here that long.
:-)
Good Lt on December 8, 2008 at 1:24 PM
I’ve found a rallier for some of the posters here.
MadisonConservative on December 8, 2008 at 1:24 PM
Can someone here provide me a link that proves Obama was born in Hawaii?
If not, isn’t it strange that we have just elected a President and he not be (even a 1% chance) a US citizen?
faraway on December 8, 2008 at 1:25 PM
If you do not like it, then change the constitution.
Johan Klaus on December 8, 2008 at 1:25 PM
http://www.kitv.com/politics/17860890/detail.html?rss=hon&psp=news
Good Lt on December 8, 2008 at 1:25 PM
Neither does your perverted obsession with me.
MadisonConservative on December 8, 2008 at 1:25 PM
as is your persecution complex
wise_man on December 8, 2008 at 1:26 PM
Geez, proofers.
With friends like these…
http://news.yahoo.com/s/politico/20081207/pl_politico/16257
Good Lt on December 8, 2008 at 1:27 PM
Since there is no evidence the stuff cannot work at all. So far all I’ve seen is a forged BC. So bring some evidence and then we can decide how that stuff works. But until then, nonevidence = nonwork.
snaggletoothie on December 8, 2008 at 1:28 PM
Good Lt, you’re fighting the good fight, but it’s ultimately a losing cause. Not that it’ll convince any of you loons, but for your amusement, here’s a snopes article on the topic:
http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/birthcertificate.asp
dakine on December 8, 2008 at 1:28 PM
These should be easy for you birtherists to answer at least one honestly…
1)What expert has said that Obama’s certificate of birth is a forgery?
2)What official has stated that Obama has not met the criteria of producing said document?
3)What evidence is there that any one born in another country has ever stated on the certificate of birth that they were born in Honolulu?
Those three should be easy questions to answer…
and the zinger…
4)What qualified State official has ever said the certificate of birth that Obama has, does not meet the requirements of proof of birth, and location of birth.
If you can’t answer even one of these…
right2bright on December 8, 2008 at 1:28 PM
good lt, thanks for the link, it says “This is the biggest attempted hoax in the history of our country”
faraway on December 8, 2008 at 1:28 PM
Proofers are the people suffering Birther Derangement Syndrome.
Christien on December 8, 2008 at 1:29 PM
Prove I have one by not stalking me. Go on.
MadisonConservative on December 8, 2008 at 1:30 PM
There’s been many idiots here from time-to-time, but I’ve got to say that you are by far the biggest moron I’ve seen yet.
We don’t need to “find it” and … everyone is well aware of where it’s located.
You do understand that, correct?
It’s locked up. Right where Obama TOLD them to lock it up. It’s sitting in Hawaii, where they’ve been ordered to keep it from being seen. That’s not a mystery jackass.
What are you? 16?
Gregor on December 8, 2008 at 1:30 PM
Proof by whose standards…by your and Berg’s standards, probably not.
By the States department standards, I can.
right2bright on December 8, 2008 at 1:31 PM
Gregor, read the snopes article. You, and those like you, are going to believe what you want to believe…facts be damned. You are an unthinking fundamentalist.
dakine on December 8, 2008 at 1:32 PM
Obama seems to be the paranoid one. What is he hiding? If He has nothing to hide, then why doesn’t He just simply authorize the release of His birth certificate and put this matter to rest? What is His big problem? Is it fear or arrogance on His part. If there is some kind of “conspiracy” afoot, He is the one who has given birth to it and He is the One sustaining it.
MB4 on December 8, 2008 at 1:33 PM
And Philip J. Berg, the source of the quote, is a FARKING WHACKJOB 9-11 TRUTHER WHO ALSO BELIEVES THAT THE CLINTONS KILLED VINCE FOSTER.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phillip_J._Berg
As I said, with friends like these!
Good Lt on December 8, 2008 at 1:33 PM
I put all these threads in the “Dude” category.
Christien on December 8, 2008 at 1:34 PM
Where in Hawaii, pray tell, is it “locked up?” Is it in a big, super-secret vault with the secret Vince Foster murder tapes and 9-11 documents that were redacted from the 9-11 report that prove Bush brought the towers down?
Just asking questions.
Good Lt on December 8, 2008 at 1:35 PM
dakine, I’m glad you brought up snopes because it has a lie that should be corrected, they say
Of course, snopes and factcheck.org know this is a lie from the Honolulu Advertiser
Of course, no state official has ever said any such thing.
Are you basing your opinion on a lie? Or should we only deal in facts?
faraway on December 8, 2008 at 1:35 PM
Amazing how we made fun of 9/11 truthers for years, but one of their number seeks to cook up a scheme to knock out Obama, and suddenly WE DON’T SEE THE TRUTH!
MadisonConservative on December 8, 2008 at 1:35 PM
I love it when some idiot attacks someone else, and uses wrong information to attack.
right2bright on December 8, 2008 at 1:35 PM
I was replying to what you wrote about ten minutes before you elaborated. So what you say about McCain’s eligibility makes sense. You also referred to the eligibility issue for Secretary of State. I believe there was a constitutional question where Hillary was concerned. It was not the first time it happened with respect to that position.
Which means that we have been skirting the edge of the Constitution in key appointments for some years now. It may not bother anyone, but if we are to remain a nation of laws, it should. Especially unsettling, knowing that the President-Elect was once a professor of constitutional law.
manwithblackhat on December 8, 2008 at 1:36 PM
If a movie theater can require a valid ticket presented at the door for admittance then there should be no less requirement to attain POTUS.
If a cop pulls you over and requests license and registration tell him or her that it is in Hawaii and hand him the phone number of an “expert” to confirm they exist. As the cuffs click around your wrists be sure to call the cop an conspiracy nut! Just show him the forms. That’s all he asks.
viking01 on December 8, 2008 at 1:36 PM
More:
Good Lt on December 8, 2008 at 1:36 PM
So, my daughter, born overseas, has been living in this country since she was 5 months old. My son was born in the US, “under the jurisdiction thereof” as the Constitution says. Does anyone have any reasonable argument as to why we should presume that she would grow up to be a Manchurian candidate while he would be a fine President.
How about a good reason why the American people, if they so choose, could not elect Arnold to be their President?
I think it’s about time we got rid of the whole natural born citizen clause.
factoid on December 8, 2008 at 1:36 PM
Why, when I post these questions…the koo-koo’s go silent and do not answer 4 logical questions…
right2bright on December 8, 2008 at 1:36 PM
From: Chicago Tribune’s Swamp Blog
http://www.swamppolitics.com/news/politics/blog/2008/11/obama_hawaaianborn_citizen_for.html
RBMN on December 8, 2008 at 1:37 PM
Um …
All of these questions have been answered. Try reading through these posts.
You’ll find that every question you asked is answered in detail, including the expert analysis that the birth certificate produced was a forgery. But that’s old news. You do know that, right? You do know that even the person who produced the birth certificate admitted that much, right?
You seem to be behind the times. Are you aware that everyone else is on the topic of him having yet to produce a birth certificate?
Gregor on December 8, 2008 at 1:38 PM
right2bright, you have a good question on point#3. I would like to see the answer to that as well.
Look, I don’t believe Obama was not born in HI, I just have not seen conclusive evidence that he was. The birth announcement was pretty good evidence.
faraway on December 8, 2008 at 1:39 PM
As long as we’re coming up with names, how about the John Birth Society?
aengus on December 8, 2008 at 1:39 PM
Heres my theory… and its just a theory…
Obama, as a constituional scholar and Lawyer, knew that any hint of dual citizenship could taint his run for President, and also knew about the Natural Born clause, and its origional meaning…
He was not worried about Obama Sr. because of the Kenyan laws… he never took citizenship from them… but probably did not consider the esoteric Brit laws involved…
However, he was adopted by Soetoro and his Birth Cert was modified, and the origional sealed in Hawaii… my guess would be it says Soetoro was the Father…. which under Indonesian law, makes him an Indonesian Citizen (even if born in Hawaii). His New Father, or Mother, could have given his citizenship away during those years… as Indonesia did not recognize dual citizenship…
To get legal citizenship back, he would then have to come back to the country, and regain his citizenship… making him a Naturalized citizen. He could also, by Hawaii law, have his COLB info modified AGAIN, as he no longer had a father/son relationship with Soetoro, and he had died… which is why the only doc we’ve seen is a COLB from 2007.
As a Constitutional scholar, Obama knew this could become a legal issue, and so did not release his origional records.
Fits the evidence we have seen (COLB), and the statements from Hawaii Officials, and the name changes we saw Barry/Barrak do…
Romeo13 on December 8, 2008 at 1:39 PM
It matters whether or not someone is born American when it comes to being President. The President is supposed to be the quintessential American, with no other nation in his heart or on his mind.
Whether or not he was physically born on American soil seems irrelevant to me. Or, more to the point, it was only relevant as a boundary condition at the birth of the nation to validate the first set of Presidents born before the nation’s founding.
Only someone born American should be President. I will never vote for someone that wasn’t born American. That is the spirit of the requirement of being a “natural-born” American, to my mind. The physical birthplace of said American is quibbling over the letter of the law.
Bush is fairly out, and Obama is fairly in. Get over it, people. It’s time to get to work driving Obama to the center and taking Congress away from the Democrats.
spmat on December 8, 2008 at 1:39 PM
It would be interesting to impress your memory engrams on a computer,
doctorGood Lt. The resulting torrential flood of illogic would be most entertaining.- Mr Spock
MB4 on December 8, 2008 at 1:39 PM
Thank you…
Now we will see how much truth and facts these koo-koo- heads really will accept.
It was obvious they were responding to verifying the document Obama had in his possession…but “truthers” never see the truth.
right2bright on December 8, 2008 at 1:40 PM
I love it when HA commenters who have no proof of a crime assert that crimes are everywhere that they determine there are if ONLY WE HAVE THE COURAGE TO SEE.
I’d like to see the REAL Obama BC. you know, the one that the Proofers claim exists but that Obama has not “produced” (even though he has).
What’s he supposed to do – chain-mail you all the original and ask that you pass it along to the next whacko so that they may be satisfied that Yes, Virginia, Obama is constitutionally eligible to be President?
Sheesh, people. You’re better than this.
Good Lt on December 8, 2008 at 1:40 PM
I have read the snopes article. Would you like to point out where they claim to have seen the birth certificate?
Would you like to point out which part of the article you feel is proof that Obama was born in Hawaii? Because I can show you where every point in the article is false.
Gregor on December 8, 2008 at 1:41 PM
I’m sure you’ve already been told that it’s not Ed who said this – and I agree with you. The Founders weren’t idiots. They had reasons for the things they did and said.
capitalist piglet on December 8, 2008 at 1:42 PM
Now Romeo, you can rest, it is resolved, the offical stated Obama was born in Honolulu, and the original Birth Certificate confirms it.
right2bright on December 8, 2008 at 1:42 PM
The problem with the BC that Good Lt keeps linking to is that there’s two types of BC’s one can get in Hawaii. The one that’s been reviewed is the one thats available to any child born from a Hawaiian parent, regardless of where they were born. The long form one, the one he refuses to release, is the one that’s signed by the doctor who delivered him, and is the one you and I all have sitting in a hospital records room. Why doesn’t he just allow someone to see that form so this goes away?
Simple: Allah and buddies, the only ones we could depend on to investigate this, are calling everyone on their side nutjobs. You don’t have to go all frothy at the mouth like a troofer, but just because Allah thinks that having “natural born citizen” in the Constitution is silly doesn’t mean that we shouldn’t make sure it’s followed. I guess there’d be more interest from Allah if it involved Palins birthplace or anything to keep her out of office, mirite?
Rainsford on December 8, 2008 at 1:42 PM
You too Gregor, this official statement resolves the problem. Obama was born in Honolulu…
right2bright on December 8, 2008 at 1:44 PM
Here you go.
Just answering questions.
Gregor on December 8, 2008 at 1:44 PM
Damn, I’m sick of being called a koo-koo head, right2bright, simply for having been well schooled in the scientific method.
Alana on December 8, 2008 at 1:45 PM
So let me get this straight:
When it comes to sealed private divorce documents, the courts want them released to the public, because Hussain tells them to
When it comes to a public document, the court won’t hear about their release, because Hussain tells them to
See a trend ?
Courts are supposed to take decisions, not take sides
Courts are supposed to resolve conflicts, not prolong them
Welcome to a third world judicial system
macncheez on December 8, 2008 at 1:47 PM
Thanks…. just asking questions based on a bit of research… questions that need to be answered in a court of Law, not on a website…
Romeo13 on December 8, 2008 at 1:48 PM
There are 4 types of people here on this post:
1. Obvious trolls with no facts, just name calling
2. People that do not know any facts but have been swayed by Ed,MM, etc. to join in the truther name calling
3. People that know some of the facts from liberal sites like Snopes and FactCheck and are satisfied
4. People that know some of the facts and would like to know more.
faraway on December 8, 2008 at 1:48 PM
Sorry, Gregor, but who was the expert…what was his name and his credentials.
So far the only one cited was some bozo on youtube.
You could not answer one of those questions…not one.
He produced exactly what was asked of him…exactly what every Hawaiian for at least 50 years has received, and what every state agency has accepted.
Now tell me, you don’t need long dissertations, tell me the experts name and his known qualifications.
right2bright on December 8, 2008 at 1:49 PM
Maybe you’re right. Here’s how you (or Obama) would do it.
JiangxiDad on December 8, 2008 at 1:49 PM
I am an avowed ODS sufferer and would like to see him dogged to the gates of Hell with this. Did GWB get any breaks at all? None given and I’m not giving any.
cjs1943 on December 8, 2008 at 1:49 PM
Ahh, a World Net Daily article by Jerome Corsi.
Credibility if there ever was. THAT settles it.
Read the parts about Corsi’s 9-11 Trutherism. And the North American Union conspiracy. And his belief that oil isn’t a fossil fuel:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jerome_Corsi
Got any REAL evidence other than an editorial written by a whackjob/hack 9-11 Truther? You know – like the birth certificate from some other country/entity you claim exists in lieu of his “fake” Hawaii birth certificate that has been produced?
Good Lt on December 8, 2008 at 1:50 PM
5. People who know the facts and are satisfied with the way things are.
Obama was born American. His mother was American.
He’s American by birth. The rest is fruitless quibbling.
spmat on December 8, 2008 at 1:50 PM
This thread is just as scary as the last two I saw.
It is scary as hell to read this thread full of people who I generally find to be rational and intelligent, foaming at the mouth about this nonsense.
Squid Shark on December 8, 2008 at 1:50 PM
Now do you get it? He was born in Hawaii…official statement from an official who reviewed the original birth certificate…can’t get much plainer than that.
It is over and done with except for the koo-koo heads.
right2bright on December 8, 2008 at 1:51 PM
Don’t sweat it. As my late father (a neurosurgeon) once told me first thing they teach you in psychiatry courses is that the ones they put in the nut house first are the ones busy calling other people crazy.
viking01 on December 8, 2008 at 1:52 PM
HotHeads, Proofer or Truther?
/riffing off the Pakistan thread
Christien on December 8, 2008 at 1:52 PM
Sorry, no. This spokesman could NOT legaly make that statement. Its covered under privacy laws.
She is speaking as to what her OPINION is about what Fukino said, when it is CLEARLY not what Fukino said. Clearly hearsay evidence based on an off the cuff remark, of a spokesman who does not have the legal authority to make that announcement… in fact, was this spokesman even at the origional statment?
Here… I’ll make it easy… I’ve never seen Barry’s origional birth cert either… but heck, I lived in Hawaii for 4 years… so… I think Fukino said what she was quoted as saying… and you can quote me on that.
Romeo13 on December 8, 2008 at 1:53 PM
Amazing.
Just like a 9-11 Troofer.
They know SOMETHING happened on 9-11. But WHAT THEY’RE TOLD happened leaves them “wanting.” Assuming, of course, they even know what happened in the first place, which they claim they don’t.
And any explanation or government document or facsimile produced refuting their “questions” and “theories?” Not good enough.
They have MOAR QUESTIONZ to which they will ignore the answers.
Good Lt on December 8, 2008 at 1:53 PM
And ditto, Squid Shark, it is scary to me to to hear people I generally consider rational and intelligent call others nutcases and other slurs simply because we want to see a vital document Obama refuses to release.
Alana on December 8, 2008 at 1:54 PM
Still now answer on my 4 simple questions…4 simple questions.
Just one straight forward answer for one of these…how about the expert one.
What expert, just give us the name of the expert and his qualifications…
right2bright on December 8, 2008 at 1:54 PM
Anyhow , we know it’s more important to see Trigs birth certificate.
the_nile on December 8, 2008 at 1:54 PM
Then the SCOTUS could have just looked at all the relevant paperwork and ruled exactly that. Instead, they chose to intentionally ignore the Constitution, along with many others who live in fear of the possible reaction of the “64 million”. Mob rule. Yay! You’ll see where this leads.
progressoverpeace on December 8, 2008 at 1:55 PM
The woo is certainly strong, but we will fight it and bring these normally sane and rational people back into the fold because we have faith that they’re better and smarter than this.
IF THEY HAVE THE COURAGE TO SEE.
Good Lt on December 8, 2008 at 1:55 PM
Prolly. :S I had to produce my proof of citizenship for my job, but we’re told we’re just crazy for thinking 0 should have to do the same. I was led to believe his job might be a little higher up the food chain than mine. Further, I find out I could have saved myself a few bucks–instead of sending away for a certified copy of my recorded birth certificate, I could have just furnished the newspaper clipping, or the little card my mom sent out to family and friends 50+ years ago.
NTXLass on December 8, 2008 at 1:56 PM
Okay, just in case you missed it:
right2bright on December 8, 2008 at 1:56 PM
LIES! ALL DAMNED LIES!!
Produce the REAL Birth Certificate, ODINGO!
Good Lt on December 8, 2008 at 1:58 PM
right2bright, I have already answered 1,2,and4 at least 4 times on another thread and you keep spewing on and on about it.
You have a good point with #3. Stick to the facts.
The COLB doesnt prove anything regarding his birth or citizenship. You know HI allows foreign born people to receive a COLB.
faraway on December 8, 2008 at 1:59 PM
I believe that the “Berg case” re: the original birth certificate- is still under review at the SCOTUS and has not yet been denied.
ExTex on December 8, 2008 at 1:59 PM
Well, wrong, she was stating the accuracy of the information, and that was discussed. Legally or not, she made the statement…now you are trying to say because she shouldn’t have, you aren’t listening?
And yes she was at the official announcement, she is the official spokesperson. She is the spokes person for the dept. What she said is fact, Obama was born in Hawaii, no other way to interpret it…sorry to burst your bubble, sorry that you are wrong, sorry that you have to eat crow, sorry that you still won’t give it up.
But here is the official statement again, from the spokesperson:
right2bright on December 8, 2008 at 2:01 PM
I try to base my behavior on principles. I hope and pray that I treat Obama better than Bush was treated. Just because it is the right thing. The abuse directed at Bush would make a decent person blush and it would not be legal to treat an animal that way. But such abusive behavior is more demeaning and soul killing to the abuser than to the abused. So, here’s hoping you can reevaluate your basic principles.
snaggletoothie on December 8, 2008 at 2:02 PM
If Obama is smoking in the White House, but nobody else sees him doing it, then he isn’t smoking in the White House.
/Proofers
Christien on December 8, 2008 at 2:02 PM
Give me #1, I have only seen a reference to the youtube video.
Just give me a name, it shouldn’t be much of an effort.
I have checked and I have never seen any official stating it was not accurate, mostly just internet wacko’s, Berg and Keyes.
right2bright on December 8, 2008 at 2:04 PM
Here is an interesting and related post: Destroy The Facts
aengus on December 8, 2008 at 2:06 PM
From Yahoo news:
ExTex on December 8, 2008 at 2:06 PM
Maybe not
faraway on December 8, 2008 at 2:06 PM
If Obama has produced a copy of his birth certificate, but not to the liking of people who won’t be satisfied unless they’re handed the original copy to sniff for themselves, then he has not produced a copy of his birth certificate at all – AND THE CONSTITUTION IS RIPPED IN HALF.
/Proofers
Good Lt on December 8, 2008 at 2:06 PM
They keep saying they answered by questions…but they seem to have forgotten the answers.
And I can’t find any record of the answers…
I have discovered why the truthers are so adamant…they dig themselves so deep, they can’t see the truth.
Even a direct quote won’t deter them…amazing.
right2bright on December 8, 2008 at 2:07 PM
Dudes.
getalife on December 8, 2008 at 2:08 PM
This is my last response to you not2bright. I’ve dealt with you many times before and you are incapable of debating an issue honestly. You’ll simply post the same comment, over and over, while completely ignoring the answers to your questions. It’s a waste of time.
Now, as I’ve already done once, I’ve posted the link for you to find the name and qualifications of the person involved, which you know full well is not some bozo on youtube. Won’t matter to you. As soon as I post this, you’ll come back and repeat that I need to give you the name of some expert, even after I’ve done it.
Here’s the evidence.
Want names? There’s many more:
There are over 48 posts with information related to this investigation in the link I provided in my previous response, but you’ll ignore this one too and claim I didn’t produce anything.
I’m done here. Done wasting my time. But, that’s what you wanted in the first place, isn’t it? That’s your job on these boards.
Gregor on December 8, 2008 at 2:08 PM
From Wikipedia:
I know – let’s cite this guy as some reputable source just because he’s saying what we want to hear! AWESOME!
Good Lt on December 8, 2008 at 2:09 PM
I’m pretty sure Obama’s birth certificate isnt making Russia stronger.
You couldnt run for President of the United States dude, you’re not an American.
Are you guys gonna make a “Loose Change” video about this?
Dash on December 8, 2008 at 2:12 PM
Come on. Snopes isn’t liberal.
There’s really no case here. This is embarrassing.
Esthier on December 8, 2008 at 2:13 PM
At the end of the day, the birth certificate is a ruse for the dual citizenship issue.
Obama does not meet the “natural born citizen” requirements in order to be President.
Obama was a US,UK and Kenyan citizen at birth.
His Kenyan citizenship expired in 1982.
Further, he may have given up his US and UK citizenship in favor of a Pakistani citizenship, due to his adoption by Lolo Soetoro and his name change to Barry Soetoro. Indonesia did not have a dual citizenship option in the 60s and 70s.
faraway on December 8, 2008 at 2:15 PM
Funny how the people running this site keep posting threads saying, essentially, “Stop picking the scab, or it’ll never heal.”
/Dude
Christien on December 8, 2008 at 2:15 PM
No,as$hole- I’m not citing him- I’m explaining to YOU that his APPEAL IS STILL UNDER REVIEW AT THE SCOTUS.
By God you are obtuse-or just stupid.
ExTex on December 8, 2008 at 2:15 PM
Yeah it is! I read it in this mass forwarded email my aunt sent me!
MadisonConservative on December 8, 2008 at 2:15 PM
Excuse me, but they have never seen the original document, only a low resolution scanned image (72 dots per inch).
Self described, but no real background? And looks like they think Obama has a whole slew of forged documents, not just this one (which they have never seen).
So let me get this straight…you are basing your belief that these are forgeries based on a “self-described Department of Homeland Security-trained document specialist”.
See this is why people don’t want to answer these questions. Well I am a “self described FBI forensic scientist, with a self described 24 years in the forgery division of the FBI and Scotland Yard” and I say they are accurate.
Pitiful, but thanks for the honesty, it must have been difficult to admit…
right2bright on December 8, 2008 at 2:16 PM
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