Breaking: Supreme Court declines to hear Obama birth certificate challenge
posted at 10:54 am on December 8, 2008 by Allahpundit
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Denials of cert rarely come with explanations and this one’s no exception, although the math doesn’t lie: They needed four votes to take Leo Donofrio’s case and between Roberts, Scalia, Thomas, Alito, and Kennedy, they couldn’t get there. End of the line for birth certificate Truthers? Of course not. There are windmills aplenty still to tilt at, as Dave Weigel explains:
How much further will the fight to de-certify Obama go? It won’t stop if the Electoral College votes for Obama, as the skeptics will try to get a congressman or senator to officially challenge the result. Rep. Chris Cannon of Utah was willing to believe that Bill Ayers wrote Dreams From My Father, so the skeptics might have a chance.
And if every vote certification goes off without a hitch and Obama is inaugurated on Jan. 20? Gary Kreep is ready for that.
“When Obama starts signing executive orders and legislation,” Kreep says, “I’ll be filing lawsuits unless and until he proves he’s an American citizen. Some judge, someday, is going to want this proved on the merits. You can run, but you can’t hide.”
David Horowitz ponders the galactic clusterfark that might have been had the Court taken the case. If anything good comes of this, it’ll be Congress and the states revisiting the “natural born” qualification, which must surely be the single dumbest operative clause in the Constitution. Exit question for WaPo, which helpfully informs its readers that “right-wing blogs were outraged” when Souter turned down Donofrio’s petition originally: Care to name one?
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We are no longer a nation of laws.
Dissent. Resist. Revolt.
Let’s roll.
ex-Democrat on December 8, 2008 at 10:57 AM
Does anyone have, I don’t know, evidence that Anne was actually out of the country at any point during he pregnancy, or is that all baseless speculation?
It’s not like it matters much, anyway. The problem is that the Democrats won the presidency, not specifically that Obama won it. I don’t see Biden has any kind of improvement.
Count to 10 on December 8, 2008 at 10:59 AM
Sure, by all means, belittle your readers even more..
DaveC on December 8, 2008 at 10:59 AM
They needed 4 votes from the Supremes… who didn’t approve it?
upinak on December 8, 2008 at 11:00 AM
America is dead. The only power the people have is their guns and their threat of rioting.
America is dead.
justincase on December 8, 2008 at 11:01 AM
Dave C, I have never felt so alone in my life.
justincase on December 8, 2008 at 11:02 AM
Wow, starting on the left panel. Expecting many comments Allah?
Leo Donofrio’s case wasn’t really about Obama, it was as much about clearly defining “Natural Born citizen” as it was about who has the responsibility of vetting.
There is not one single reason I can see why a Nicaraguan national was on the ticket in five states. Not that this candidate was ever a serious possibility for becoming president, but more symptomatic of a problem upholding the constitutional obligation
Sigh. That is why I had hoped this one at the very least would have been heard.
Marine_Bio on December 8, 2008 at 11:05 AM
Ed, I have to disagree with you. I like that provision. In that, it ensures that a foriegn national can not gain citizenship and then run for POTUS (with their parent country’s interest at heart). Call it a “conflict of interest clause”. Now, the statute itself may need some more clarification… but I think that the qualificiation MUST stand.
Passed on December 8, 2008 at 11:06 AM
“upinak on December 8, 2008 at 11:00 AM”
we’ll never know — and does it really matter if the vote was 3, 0 or in between?
” If anything good comes of this, it’ll be Congress and the states revisiting the “natural born” qualification, which must surely be the single dumbest operative clause in the Constitution”
A.P., you don’t often strike me as a transnationalist — VERY disappointing …
Buckaroo on December 8, 2008 at 11:07 AM
Edit to previous…
I should have Addressed Allah, not Ed.
Habits… Habits. :)
Passed on December 8, 2008 at 11:07 AM
Ah, you see – this is just MORE EVIDENCE OF THE COVER-UP.
The conservative justices are in on it!
InSide JoRB!lol2!
Good Lt on December 8, 2008 at 11:08 AM
Will you read my quote again. Allah stated Donofrio needed 4 votes. It didn’t specify who DID vote on it. I am curious who didn’t go with it. I.E. that Supreme Court Judge has lost all accountablity from this day forward.
Kennedy has already lost it… so who is the new one.
upinak on December 8, 2008 at 11:09 AM
Who cares what Congress does? It doesn’t have to stick anyway. America has nothing to do with laws any more. We could become a dictatorship tomorrow and who would be able to stop it? The SCOTUS has officially castrated the people of this naion.
justincase on December 8, 2008 at 11:09 AM
Um, this one.
Read your comments section lately?
Mal Carne on December 8, 2008 at 11:10 AM
Eventually it will be heard. Trust me.
indythinker on December 8, 2008 at 11:10 AM
“galactic clusterfark” , that’s AP’s take on making sure that the U.S. Constitution is followed and the ‘rule of law’.
MM’s is “trutherists” to the right.
Meanwhile, Ruth Bader Ginsberg goes back to sleep…
Gohawgs on December 8, 2008 at 11:11 AM
That may be true, but it is still a part of the Constitution today.
Look, I have no doubts that Obama IS a natural born citizen. Like you, I have been dismayed at the degree of craziness I’ve seen from my fellow righties over this. However, I think it’s awfully liberal of you, Allah, to ignore the “natural born citizen” clause of the Constitution simply because you disagree with it. Ignoring parts of the Constitution is something that liberals are notorious for doing, and you, sir, are better than that.
crushliberalism on December 8, 2008 at 11:13 AM
I didn’t think anything would come of this..
who needs laws anymore.. no one enforces illegal immigration.. and an empty suit is more important than the law of the land.
if he was the one we were waiting for, why didn’t he run for President when he was 30?
DaveC on December 8, 2008 at 11:13 AM
If anything good comes of this, it’ll be Congress and the states revisiting the “natural born” qualification, which must surely be the single dumbest operative clause in the Constitution.
And just what do you base this assertion on, other than your own opinion?
MCPO Airdale on December 8, 2008 at 11:13 AM
I’ve lost all respect for Roberts, Alito, Scalia, and Thomas. I’ve also lost any interest in hearing from Ed, Allah, Michelle, Horowitz, Medved, Hannity, etc.
I live on a different planet from them.
justincase on December 8, 2008 at 11:13 AM
How convenient that his grandmother died the day before the election. Now nobody can ask her where he was really born. And if his illegal-alien aunt in Boston opens her mouth, she will be deported to Kenya, with the rest of his penniless relatives.
Prime Minister Raila Odinga will ensure that Obama’s real birth certificate remains forever buried.
Obama: “I am a natural-born citizen because I said so. I am the state. Big Brother is watching you.”
The Reichstag is burning. Nightmares from His father are about to come true.
Steve Z on December 8, 2008 at 11:14 AM
Did they actually ditch the birth certficate cases yet, or just the one finding a ban on dual nationality in the emanations and/or penumbras of the Constitution?
Xrlq on December 8, 2008 at 11:15 AM
Looks like it is just 1 of 2 they ruled on and I didn’t even know about this case, because the only one I knew about before was the one by Berg.
JeffinSac on December 8, 2008 at 11:15 AM
Steve Z, they’ve already asked his paternal grandma where he was really born and she’s on tape answering that he was born in Kenya.
What the SCOTUS told us is that nothing matters.
justincase on December 8, 2008 at 11:16 AM
Is Horowitz out of his friggin’ mind? What difference does it make if Obama was not constitutionally eligible to run for president, and every piece of legislation he signs, every executive order he signs, every treaty he negotiates etc. are illegal? Oh, no difference at all douchebag. And Horowitz is totally off base when he says this is all about keeping Obama out of the White House. It’s not. It’s about upholding the Constitution of the United States and making sure we don’t have a fraudulently elected president.
eyedoc on December 8, 2008 at 11:16 AM
Mal, you make a common mistake found in the leftist MSM these days: you confuse commenters’ sentiments with those of the blog owner. A bunch of cherry-picked comments from people with different backgrounds and beliefs is not reflective of the beliefs of the blog owner(s).
For example: if I posted some kind of racist comment about Obama, would it be fair to assume that this is a “racist” blog? No, of course not. Therefore, because a bunch of commenters here are mad about the SCOTUS taking a pass on this case does NOT mean that Allah or Ed or MM are running an “outraged” “right-wing” blog.
crushliberalism on December 8, 2008 at 11:17 AM
Good. Let’s get on with our lives.
RayinVA on December 8, 2008 at 11:18 AM
The birth certificate one is still on the table but Berg won’t have standing, and that’s all that matters. The SCOTUS has been telling us this whole election to go screw ourselves. The rule of law doesn’t matter – that’s their verdict. Period.
justincase on December 8, 2008 at 11:19 AM
It appears that the Constitution of the United States of America is a worthless document to the US Supreme Court justices.
We already know that Justices Stevens and Bader-Ginsberg would ignore the United States Constitution (Lawrence v Texas) and look to the European Court of Human Rights to decide their cases, in spite of the fact that they took the following oath:
According to Title 28, Chapter I, Part 453 of the United States Code, each Supreme Court Justice takes the following oath:
“I, [NAME], do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will administer justice without respect to persons, and do equal right to the poor and to the rich, and that I will faithfully and impartially discharge and perform all the duties incumbent upon me as [TITLE] under the Constitution and laws of the United States. So help me God.”
ex-Democrat may be correct.
sinsing on December 8, 2008 at 11:19 AM
At a minimum, I’d hope the Conservative Blogs and media would care about a movement for future elections to have an enforcement mechanism to vet the eligibility of presidential candidates. This whole process was poorly covered by the right. The law blogs that covered it including the lawyers for the cases did reveal several issues:
1. Strong evidence that Chester Arthur was not a natural born citizen. Donofrio’s obtained the naturalization document of Chester Arthur showing he deceived everyone.
2. Some evidence that Bush and Cheney in 2000 might have violated the eligibility requirement that both candidates (pres and vp) are not citizens of the same state — that court case was thrown out due to lack of standing. I don’t know the additional details about this — only read about it today in LA Times.
3. The revelations of the numerous Secretary of States in the USA indicated they did not vet the eligibilit of the candidates.
Also, some left-wing lawyers had very interesting counterpoints to Donofrio and Berg and they could have been vetted to a larger audience.
In sum, the blogs and right-wing media missed out on a fascinating story by not covering this and if part of the media is to cover interesting news, they failed miserably.
It seems that the right-wing journalists pick and choose which parts of the constitution they care about. It seems that the right-wing journalists now have their own politically correct line of thinking they will cover, and if outside of that realm, even when it deals with valid constitutional points, they ignore it 100%.
To those of us strict constitutionalists (ie, those who like Judge Thomas as their most favorite Judge), we are heavily disappointed in the right-wing media and blogs.
marti124 on December 8, 2008 at 11:19 AM
Although I believe that Obama is a natural born citizen, the one thing that continues to baffle me are these decisions by the courts that discuss ones legal standing to sue. Exactly who has the right to sue when a constitutional violation may have occurred? For instance, this whole Hillary Clinton thing. Her appointment is totally 100% unconstitutional and reverting to the old pay scale for sec of state is irrelevant.
But can I sue? Probably not.
BierManVA on December 8, 2008 at 11:20 AM
Why not go vote for another Democrat? Virginia has gone to hell.
upinak on December 8, 2008 at 11:20 AM
It is a very sad day indeed. The Donofrio case was far more of a request to have the supreme court rule on what Natural Born Citizen meant, for McCain as well as Obama and the valididty of the Nicaraguan born candidate being on the ballot.
Berg is far less likely to be heard.
Unlike Allah and Many others, I do not have the disdain for the Natural Born clause in the requirements for POTUS. This was maybe not the best wording for today, but I think the intent was clear…Keep the POTUS free from feeling tied to other nations or having debts to other nations that would be at odds with the best intentions of the United States.
Marine_Bio on December 8, 2008 at 11:21 AM
Ah, but the WaPo didn’t say “right-wing bloggers.” They said, “right wing blogs.” We’re not talking about the owners. We’re talking about the website, and all content thereof. Details matter…
Mal Carne on December 8, 2008 at 11:22 AM
I don’t know if an application for a stay is equal to or precludes filing a timely petition. If it doesn’t, I doubt the results would be any better. I still question why he is going to such great lengths not to produce the document.
Blake on December 8, 2008 at 11:22 AM
At least the parts closer to DC have gone to Hell. The rest of the state is still fairly Red.
Marine_Bio on December 8, 2008 at 11:23 AM
*hotairmode*OH NOES SCALIA THOMAS ROBERTS ALITO ARE NO LONGER CONSERVATIVES*/hotairmode*
Good. That sucks the bit of worthless wind out of the sails of their sinking ship.
MadisonConservative on December 8, 2008 at 11:23 AM
The whole east coast is a bright blue neon …..
upinak on December 8, 2008 at 11:25 AM
I am going to have to get you out of cheese head country….
upinak on December 8, 2008 at 11:25 AM
Doesn’t matter if we’re red, blue, or purple. In this election season the SCOTUS has told us that a Sec of State could bring in a wagonload of fake ballots and nobody in the state would have standing to do anything about it.
They’ve also told us that Bin Laden could be elected president and nobody could stop him – especially if the SOS’ brought in boatloads of fake ballots…
The SCOTUS has changed EVERYTHING this election season. America is officially dead.
justincase on December 8, 2008 at 11:26 AM
You can take off your tin foil hats now.
getalife on December 8, 2008 at 11:26 AM
Sorry Up, I voted straight Republican. You’ll have to find someone else to blame for VA going blue.
RayinVA on December 8, 2008 at 11:28 AM
Been here for 26 years, sister. I ain’t leaving till I’ve rallied the conservative underground in Madison to overthrow the local progressive government.
MadisonConservative on December 8, 2008 at 11:28 AM
OK… just for those who don’t know.
The suit which was is not going to be given an emergency hearing…
Under the origional law, there are two ways to get citizenship.
Being born in a country, or by your Father being a citizen of a country.
The guy who put in the Natural Born clause, who was later a Supreme Court Justice, was very concerned about split loyalties. At the time, you were supposed to be loyal to your country just because you were a citizen of that country, and in fact, could be held liable by its laws.
So, Natural Born Citizen, in his opinion, would be someone born on US soil, of a US Citizen Father, thus meeting BOTH criteria for citizenship, ie, no other country could claim you. Remember, it wasn’t until recently you could even be a dual citizen in the US.
This case was about whether or not a someone who does not meet that origional standard, was a Natural Born citizen.
In 1790 Congress passed a law that said that anyone born here was just that, a Natural Born Citizen… but in 1795 that was repealed, and replaced with someone born here is a CITIZEN. Clearly they thought about this subject, and decided that the 1790 standard was not good enough for the Presidency…. so they changed it…
This lawsuit actualy went after McCain, Obama, and another candidate (can’t remember the dang name), saying all three were suspect under the origional definition of Natural Born.
McCain was born in a Hosptital in Panama, not in a Military Hospital, not in the Canal Zone… thus was potentialy not eligable.
Obama had a British Citizen Father, and thus was under the Authority of BRITAIN for citizenship… and thus a dual citizen at birth….
The other guy was born in Guatamala…
Suit was whether the Sec State of his home state, who is required to ensure they are qualified, did her job.
It was origionaly dismissed, because he didn’t get his complaint in on time (under the state law). So he appealed asking for an emergency stay and relief… its that emergency stay and relief that was denied, NOT THE MERITS OF HIS ASSERTION.
Romeo13 on December 8, 2008 at 11:30 AM
I feel for you man!
upinak on December 8, 2008 at 11:30 AM
Not quite. It seems that way sometimes, especially if you live on the east coast, but reality is a little different.
Marine_Bio on December 8, 2008 at 11:31 AM
Why exactly is Allah writing for HotAir again? Still don’t get it. Is it because he comes up with really clever headlines?
Seriously. Allah thinks the Constitution is off base in requiring the leader of our country to be natural born?
At least this would explain his stance on this issue and his complete disregard of common sense. Right Allah. Obama hides in a corner while lawsuits climb all the way to the SCOTUS, instead of simply producing his birth certificate. Makes sense to me.
And Allah considers the case closed because … somebody says they “saw it.”
Just how stupid are you?
Gregor on December 8, 2008 at 11:31 AM
But the Supreme Court isn’t going to hear the case on its merits. The issue is dead. SCOTUS doesn’t care if election laws are broken.
justincase on December 8, 2008 at 11:32 AM
Reality? This was an overall… not presidential. If it just showed presidential, it would be a beautiful shade of blue.. might match the blue of the oceans.
upinak on December 8, 2008 at 11:34 AM
Supreme court too busy to clarify the Constitution?
What have we come to?
Sir Napsalot on December 8, 2008 at 11:34 AM
Confirmed: We have a Scrotumless Scotus.
The more I look at it, the more convinced I am that something is wrong with Barryo’s credentials. The fact that a Nicaraguan can be on the ballot is absurd.
Had they heard the case and voted 5-4 that he was legit, this would have died down.
Once he takes the whitehouse, any chance of this being rectified go to absolute zero
POSSIBLE WORKAROUND – If the redstate SecStates insist on really vetting the candidates for the 2012 elections, then obama will have to produce his docs at that point. However, he would have had four years for the best forgers in the world to have ginned up some really good fakes. We would need to have people in some of the red states ready to force the secstates to vet the candidates properly.
CANARY – If you see the dems and obama start to push for an ammendment removing the ‘natural born citizen’ requirement.. HINT – It’ ain’t about Ahhhnuld.
So, I’m going to apply for a GS-5 DOD job today (entry level clerical) and just tell them that my birth cert is valid. If they press it I’ll take a photoshopped copy printed on my 70 dollar printer.. Any bets on if I’ll get the job or not.
bullseye on December 8, 2008 at 11:36 AM
BTW,
The fury against the ‘nutroots’ are totally misplaced.
Why didn’t the president-elect follow the rules as stated in the Constitution?
What makes it so special in this case, that an announcement of live birth is good enough for the Hawaiian official(s)?
Precedence much?
Sir Napsalot on December 8, 2008 at 11:39 AM
I think it helps if you claim to be a tree or a 1957 Ford Fairlane.
Blake on December 8, 2008 at 11:40 AM
Allah is very aware that there are hundreds of blogs currently foaming at the mouth over this issue. He’s being dishonest, once again. Embarrassingly so.
It doesn’t take much effort to find just a few of them. They’re all over the place.
Gregor on December 8, 2008 at 11:41 AM
The county by county map is the presidential election results.
i.e. my county, Isle of Wight…McCain 56%, Obama 43%, Other 1%, margin 2,684 votes.
My point is that even states that always seem to go completely blue, like MD, aren’t truly all blue. Unfortunately it is a circumstance where the vast majority of the population lives in the blue areas, and that drives the politics of the state.
Marine_Bio on December 8, 2008 at 11:41 AM
Yes, Allah you’re a mainstream guru and most of your readers are delusional fools. Maybe you need to try to get a job with Politico. You might come home from that interview a little less stuck up.
snaggletoothie on December 8, 2008 at 11:42 AM
OOOPs, should have added one more sentence after the “Precedence much?” quote.
What makes this president elect so special that when he swears by to uphold the Constitution that he personally doesn’t have to apply the rules?
Sir Napsalot on December 8, 2008 at 11:42 AM
Sir Napsalot,
I think our minds have been messed with so bad there’s no way to salvage the country.
In one day I was transported from living in “the land of the free an the home of the brave” to living in Kenya, where riots decide elections and the only laws enforced are those bought with bribes.
justincase on December 8, 2008 at 11:43 AM
Barack Obama:
DaveC on December 8, 2008 at 11:45 AM
Look, I think you guys are looking at this the wrong way. Having a non citizen as President is cool, if that’s what Obama indeed is. It paves the way for a new kind of GOP candidate. I floated this idea back during the primary, again, I’m more prophetic than even I realize. Running Backdoor John McCain as our candidate showed it doesn’t matter if we even have the same beliefs as our candidate; it only matters if there is an ‘R’ next to his name. Obama winning shows it doesn’t matter if a candidate is a citizen and or is even capable of thinking without a teleprompter. So, allow me to introduce the next best hope for the GOP: Hugo Chavez! You’re guaranteed to swing the lefties, and the illegal immigrants into our column. Just bribe him into putting an ‘R’ next to his name, and we’ll sweep back into power. GO huGO!
Think positive. Think of the Constitution like it’s the Pirates Code. It’s more like, guidelines. Come on McCain supporters..you’ve got to see the wisdom I’m peddling here.
austinnelly on December 8, 2008 at 11:45 AM
Really disappointing for the whole thing.
From Michelle Malkin down the line, Ed and AP towed the boss’ stand that anybody questioned the rule of the law as stated would be called nutroots, ODS, etc. etc.
Sir Napsalot on December 8, 2008 at 11:46 AM
The “natural born” clause may be good or bad–it’s debatable. But everyone knows where/how that debate is supposed to happen.
The Constitution’s still great,and operable, no matter how many twist it for their own purposes, or pick and choose the bits that serve them at the moment. So many other generations fought wars to protect their liberty. No reason to assume we won’t have to. Lots of great thinkers have pointed that out. I’ll use Hayek from The Road to Serfdom:
JiangxiDad on December 8, 2008 at 11:46 AM
You know, if you weren’t so convinced that a large portion of your readers are nutcases, you wouldn’t be so eager to insult them.
Which makes me ponder: Why do you consider such a significant portion of your readers nutcases? Is that the kind of people you think you attract?
If so, why do you attract them? Wouldn’t that mean most of your other stuff is crap?
What gets me is you simply fail to look at the basics in this case. I started off thinking people were weirdos grasping at straws, too, some months ago. But then I researched thoroughly, and discovered there are legitimate, unanswered questions there.
A good, detailed researcher (which I spent my life doing, and getting paid big bucks for it, too) is not content to skim the surface. If there is significant howling going on, you dig further to find out precisely what the howling is ABOUT.
Then you determine what the issues are and which are legitimate; something you clearly haven’t bothered to delineate. In fact, I don’t think you even bother to read the comments on your blog entries, either, or you would have become at least a little educated about this, beyond the “you weirdos” stage.
If one digs sufficiently and discovers – not evidence that would definitively refute the charges, but a troubling LACK of evidence – then one understands there are legitimate questions still standing.
I think there is fear there. Not only in you, but in other conservative commentators. Fear of what would happen societally if a monumental snafu and/or a stack of lies should be discovered at this stage. And I understand that fear.
And fear of being linked with people smeared as lunatics. Of being an outcast in the (current) political atmosphere. And I understand that fear, too.
But these fears lead to intellectual dishonesty, to oneself above all. Be grateful there are others dedicated to preserving your laws, your way of life, and your Constitution, who don’t buckle under the threat of ridicule.
The facts – these and others – will eventually come out, one way or another, simply because there are too many people insisting on having the facts.
Alana on December 8, 2008 at 11:46 AM
Jiangxi Dad
How would a new Revolutionary War happen? The people who have the ability to come together in force are Soros’rent-a-mob, not the patriots of this country. And if even Ed and Allah will bend over to be screwed we’re not gonna get much traction anywhere.
We tried the legal route – the courts. They told us to go screw ourselves. What’s left now?
justincase on December 8, 2008 at 11:51 AM
Many here on Hot Air like Sarah Palin except for Allah..
so he’s preaching at the rubes, near as I can tell form the posts he’s been doing..
Much like Strother (Struther?) Martin, “Luke, you gotta get your mind right”..
DaveC on December 8, 2008 at 11:52 AM
Allahpundit, that must surely be the single most unimpressive, lacking in substance, thing you have ever written. Well, hopefully anyway.
To the extent that anyone is going off their toot with this is it because of the lack of being responsible and forthcoming, and on such a simple matter to resolve, on the part of Obama and now the U.S. Supreme Court, both of which, by their dereliction, are feeding this.
MB4 on December 8, 2008 at 11:53 AM
What Romeo13 says makes sense and if so, it gives rooms for future indicted criminals under new laws signed by Obama to subpoena Hawaii for Obama’s long formto invalidate him and any law he signs. I don’t thinks this issue is over with therefore. It may be 100% over with prior to the election, but not afterwards, once criminals start getting indicted under newly passed laws.
marti124 on December 8, 2008 at 11:53 AM
Amazing how so many people here are “insulted” by Allah’s posts, yet continue to read and comment on them.
Suckers.
MadisonConservative on December 8, 2008 at 11:53 AM
upinak,
I think I may have just realized why you’re thinking this was overall. When the page loads, it defaults to the dumb 3D graphic. Click on the results by county tab and you see the presidental election results, straight up by county.
Marine_Bio on December 8, 2008 at 11:54 AM
I think I’m going to make a pin-on that I can wear, showing an upside-down American flag and the words, “I’m from Old America”.
justincase on December 8, 2008 at 11:56 AM
Here’s what really gets me. From politico.com:
Here’s the link:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/politico/20081207/pl_politico/16257
As Charles Johnson’s said: Does it bother you at all that the people pushing this story are Ron Paul and 9/11 supporters?
I’d add this: Isn’t it the least bit disturbing to you that the only actual, bona fide conspsiracy at the heart of all this is the one that’s actually promoting this fable?
Here’s the LGF link if you’d like it:
http://littlegreenfootballs.com/article/32112_Nirth_Certifikit_Kookery-_Promoted_by_Truthers_and_Paulians
Perhaps you’d like to explain to the only gentleman who actually unearthed a real left-wing conspiracy why this piece of nonsense is true.
Mal Carne on December 8, 2008 at 11:56 AM
Sir, with respect, have you bothered to think about WHY they put that clause in?
They wanted to ensure that our President, would not be under the Legal Authority of any other Country. That he could not be brought up on charges of TREASON by that country. That he could not be ordered, by the very act of being a Subject of a Monarch of said country, from being charged as being disloyal.
Remember, unlike many today, they took these things very seriously.
I, for one, do not want a DUAL CITIZEN President. Sorry if this requirment knocks some folks out of the running… but this is the Leader of our country…
Romeo13 on December 8, 2008 at 11:56 AM
Pearl Harbor Day, and the threat of India/Pakistan war, and the threat of Iran/Israel war got me thinking that wars often occur when people pass on every opportunity to correct matters while there’s still time. That’s why I supported Bush taking on Afghanistan and Iraq.
All I’m saying is that the blowblack from what you describe is coming, given that some groups in America feel they’re losing their patrimony, and it won’t be neat or organized or pretty, and you won’t have to wonder how to start it. There’s plenty of combustible material around.
JiangxiDad on December 8, 2008 at 11:57 AM
The natural born clause is there for a very good reason and that is to prevent dual loyalitys to different countries.
It’s common sense, use it or STFU
kangjie on December 8, 2008 at 11:58 AM
The groups are too small. Their ammunition will be banned and we’ll become Orwell’s “1984″.
justincase on December 8, 2008 at 12:01 PM
Bill Richardson must be a nutjob, huh Allah?
You know what’s amazing? Little League children are required to produce a certified copy of a birth certificate before being allowed to play in post season tournaments, and certificates of live birth are not allowed.
Obama wouldn’t even be allowed to play in a Little League tournament.
This is simply insane.
So, I take it that you never follow those links to the NY Times, or read any stories written by people you don’t agree with?
Come on now. This has always been the easiest and most absurd response to anyone who dares to argue with Allah.
We read HotAir because it’s an easy way to follow the most current top stories, much like Drudge. And we love the ability to comment on them. Is that really hard to grasp? Do we have to love Allah or stop reading HotAir?
Gregor on December 8, 2008 at 12:01 PM
Uh huh …
Pick and choose your law, with fear of the mob being your backing.
Pathetic.
progressoverpeace on December 8, 2008 at 12:02 PM
As by the Kelo or Roe decisions the Supreme Court has demonstrated they’re the same old lazy, self-serving prima donna mentality which OJ conveniently found to skate upon with preening Lance Ito. Part of the danger of such a fancy Supreme Court building is the nine inside almost invariably think it’s a temple to them instead of to the Constitution some of them allegedly still serve. Too many too interested in a legacy and a power trip instead of their sworn duty. The Clinton Effect wrought large. The definition of “is.” Yet too lazy to consider enforcing the Constitution eligibility requirements because they’re more interested in Political Correctness and diversity than meeting the qualifications.
Even in my grade school years I found the shopworn Legal System excuse of “It’s the best system we’ve got” a lazy attempt to cover a reckless money grab comprised of word games, blackmail and trash talk disguised by robes and weasel words. In my younger years there was a kid in our city with a mile long rap sheet with parents with the right connections who strangled the girl across the street from where his parents lived. He beat the rap despite more evidence against him than O.J. and a confession that he did the crime. Ever since that day over thirty years ago my impression has been not whether Justice was served but what was the price to buy it off? In our age of ambulance chasers, staged auto accidents and personal injury shakedowns the courts and players within haven’t really changed they’ve simply become much bolder at their game knowing they can, and will, protect each other. Too much like Gangland Chicago in the 1930s. With the same fancy suits (triple pun intended), of course.
Roy Cohn once said it best: “Don’t ask me what the law is. Ask me who the judge is.”
viking01 on December 8, 2008 at 12:02 PM
Silly person. How can you be a good internationalist without dual loyalties?
btw, love your alma mater.
JiangxiDad on December 8, 2008 at 12:03 PM
One of the most intersting things going on is the RIGHTS Pundits dismissing this, and tarring everyone who wants these questions answered with the new Rights equivalent to Bigot or Racccciisssstttt…. ie… “truther”…
I prefer the term “Proofer”.
Its weird that the Rights Pundits, who decry the Left’s ability to force a meme, or “narrative”, now resort to the exact same tactic.
Romeo13 on December 8, 2008 at 12:03 PM
What a surprise… Now on to real issues facing America!
mycowardice on December 8, 2008 at 12:04 PM
John McCain was born at the Navy hospital at Coco Solo Naval Air Station, which was on the Atlantic Ocean (northwest) side of the Panama Canal Zone, near Colón, Panama.
He was born in the Zone. He fits the “natural born citizen” criteria.
Personally, I am completely on the fence about the birth certificate issue. What bothers me, is that, were it to prove an issue, the wording of the Constitution would matter less to people than what would consequently amount to mob rule.
Under those circumstances, there would be nothing to prevent the 44th President, or any President thereafter, to declare martial law or otherwise suspend that Constitution, for any reason he/she sees fit.
To my mind, that is the biggest reason this issue matters. Are we a nation under the law? Either we are, or we are not. There is no middle ground.
manwithblackhat on December 8, 2008 at 12:05 PM
Remember when AllahP was posting poll numbers leading up to the election?
The numbers of posters here with their fingers in their ears screaming LALALALAICANTHEARYOULALALALA and angrily accusing AllahP of doing something wrong was truly astounding.
No matter.Onward we march! :-)
Good Lt on December 8, 2008 at 12:06 PM
It was put in place against the overlords of the time from England.
We know how it’s changed.
The liberals know how to ignore the constitution, selectively.
Does anyone think they’d ignore it if this were a conservative president-elect, or if they’d have ignored it during the last 2 years in that case?
Entelechy on December 8, 2008 at 12:08 PM
I think a reader poll would be interesting.
exception on December 8, 2008 at 12:08 PM
Dunno. The Ayatollah Kohmeini conquered Iran from France, Lenin from Germany/Switzerland, deGaulle from England, etc. When people taste real tyranny and forget the taste of freedom, the political ideology inherent in the Constitution will become appealing again. In the meantime, we may have to strategically retreat. I think that depends on whether the Obamites are able to successfully infiltrate the military.
JiangxiDad on December 8, 2008 at 12:10 PM
“Creatures for punishment r us” ~ ~ Rosie
Entelechy on December 8, 2008 at 12:10 PM
Well, 64 million people did vote for him. Like another article said, what is the SCOTUS going to do, invalidate those votes? I don’t think they have the power to do that.
scalleywag on December 8, 2008 at 12:11 PM
You may be right, JiangxiDad.
Right now everything is up in the air. And we wonder why the economy is tanking. We can’t be confident of anything these days.
justincase on December 8, 2008 at 12:12 PM
Scalleywag,
Should 64 million votes undo the First Amendment? That’s what this amounts to.
justincase on December 8, 2008 at 12:13 PM
I never owned gold until 2008.
JiangxiDad on December 8, 2008 at 12:14 PM
I really dislike that argument. Essentially you’re saying that the 64 million votes are more important than the constitution.
I wonder how many of those 64 million voters would be willing to throw out the constitution to have their vote count? How many would prefer to retain the constitution?
Marine_Bio on December 8, 2008 at 12:16 PM
Real issues like the Sean Hannity forums? You are obsessed with them.
Blake on December 8, 2008 at 12:16 PM
Both of McCain’s parents were U.S. citizens and he was born to those two U.S. citizens at a US military installation in a US occupied zone.
The key element here is whether the Supreme Court properly upholds the Constitution (without regard to convenience, popularity, diversity, outright laziness, or other diversion) or are they again emanating into the wind from their penumbras?
What our lazy Supreme Court is again doing is no different than an incompetent doctor unwilling to give a patient the proper tests to rule out a possible disorder because, as we all know, tests can be scary. Either they do their job competently or they take a pass. The Supreme Court took a pass.
viking01 on December 8, 2008 at 12:17 PM
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