Breaking: Supreme Court declines to hear Obama birth certificate challenge

posted at 10:54 am on December 8, 2008 by Allahpundit

Denials of cert rarely come with explanations and this one’s no exception, although the math doesn’t lie: They needed four votes to take Leo Donofrio’s case and between Roberts, Scalia, Thomas, Alito, and Kennedy, they couldn’t get there. End of the line for birth certificate Truthers? Of course not. There are windmills aplenty still to tilt at, as Dave Weigel explains:

How much further will the fight to de-certify Obama go? It won’t stop if the Electoral College votes for Obama, as the skeptics will try to get a congressman or senator to officially challenge the result. Rep. Chris Cannon of Utah was willing to believe that Bill Ayers wrote Dreams From My Father, so the skeptics might have a chance.

And if every vote certification goes off without a hitch and Obama is inaugurated on Jan. 20? Gary Kreep is ready for that.

“When Obama starts signing executive orders and legislation,” Kreep says, “I’ll be filing lawsuits unless and until he proves he’s an American citizen. Some judge, someday, is going to want this proved on the merits. You can run, but you can’t hide.”

David Horowitz ponders the galactic clusterfark that might have been had the Court taken the case. If anything good comes of this, it’ll be Congress and the states revisiting the “natural born” qualification, which must surely be the single dumbest operative clause in the Constitution. Exit question for WaPo, which helpfully informs its readers that “right-wing blogs were outraged” when Souter turned down Donofrio’s petition originally: Care to name one?


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political correctness – which demands both lying and pretending not to know that something is a lie, to spare the tender emotions of some hypersensitive people and to alleviate the illusory guilt of others.

progressoverpeace

I don’t think I’ve ever heard a more perfect description of political correctness.

Bikerken on December 8, 2008 at 11:52 PM

Thanks, Bikerken.

progressoverpeace on December 8, 2008 at 11:57 PM

From:
Rossputin.com: “The Obama citizenship question”
http://rossputin.com/blog/index.php/2008/10/29/the-obama-citizenship-question

Excerpt:

in an interesting interview on the Mike Rosen show this morning, Judge Andrew Napolitano said that the standard procedure for proof of qualification for the presidency is for the candidate who wins the votes of the electoral college to provide proof of citizenship to the Clerk of the Senate.

Napolitano (at about 1/3 of the way through the radio hour) said that it’s likely Obama would then show his passport…which we know he has…and that that would probably satisfy the Clerk of the Senate.

To question that would mean suggesting that Obama would either successfully have gotten a passport using fraudulent documents or that he somehow became a citizen through naturalization after a foreign birth, in which case proof of citizenship is not the same as proof of “natural born” citizenship. I would love to see a senator question the use of the passport of proof of qualification. It would be a riot to see Democrats react to charges of “he stole the election” given how much of that junk we had to hear from Democrats for most of this decade regarding George W Bush despite all evidence (including all Florida recounts) to the contrary.

Third, it is likely that if Obama was born in Kenya he would have then committed felonies in most or all states by placing his name on the ballots in those states. However, according to Mike Rosen’s earlier guest, Bruce Fein, it’s essentially impossible to prosecute a sitting president for a crime. (He could theoretically be prosecuted after his term in office if the statue of limitations hasn’t expired.) Therefore, as Judge Napolitano said, it is likely that the only remedy to remove Obama if he were to win election and be sworn in before it being proven that he’s not qualified would be impeachment…hardly likely in a Congress which will be as dominated by Democrats as the next Congress will be.

RBMN on December 9, 2008 at 12:21 AM

Obama was registered a Muslim in school, and his father was Frank Marshall Davis.

chunderroad on December 9, 2008 at 12:51 AM

The birth certificate ordeal must annoy BO and MO to no end. And that makes me very happy.

conservative_in_texas on December 9, 2008 at 1:35 AM

The problem with the supremes chickening out on taking this case is that by doing so, they have left the issue unresolved. For all the lying about Obama actually having produced his birth certificate, intelligent people who have looked at the whole thing and have a half a brain know this is not true. I have a birth certificate that looks nothing like this computer generated thing he posted on the internet and I was born in 1958. There is no actual information on it explaining who was the doctor, what was the hospital, etc etc. These things are and always have been on birth certificates, (not CERTIFICATIONS OF LIVE BIRTH) since well before 1961. Obama has made a tremendous and very expensive effort to hide from public view not only his birth certificate, but any other records that may list him as an immigrant, (Columbia University entrance application) or any other paper work that may tell the truth about him from his own lips many years ago. There is a very definite feeling in the country right now that things are just falling apart. The rule of law seems to have go the way it has in Mexico. It has become a joke. The American way is becoming the game of “get away with whatever you can get away with”. A large percentage of the population is extremely angry about this.

Look people, the truth will come out in this case. Either Obama will be proven to be ineligible for the office or the “ultra right wing” crazies will have egg on their face for pursuing such a ludicris story.

But the fact is, it has not been settled. With that kind of animosity hanging in the air, bad things can happen. Many people thought the JFK assassination was over the fact that a large number of people in the country thought JFK stole the election and was an illegitamate president. I think he propbably did steal the election, but I wouldn’t condone shooting him for that. But with Obama, you have that same problem times TEN, at least. You have a president who, if after the fact is proven to have lied about his citizenship, will anger the entire country to extremes, half who are angry that he lied and should not be president, and half, who just don’t give a damn about the “legal technicalities” and just want him to be president anyway.

The supremes did us no favor by not putting this to rest once and for all.

Bikerken on December 8, 2008 at 11:10 PM

So you are putting it out there that some loon should or just might shoot him?

You should be ashamed for even suggesting such an absurd analogy. Furthermore many loons felt Goerge W Bush stole the election, and did they harm him? Of course not, but there was years of BDS. Is that what we are in store for with you guys? ODS?

The truth has come out in this case – but you guys refuse to accept it.

But the fact is and remains – it has been settled, except if you are a Truther Loon who finds a new a different question, lie or theory behind every nook and cranny.

What you should have said is –

You have a president who won by democraic election, which has angered the extremes in this country, half who are angry that he won and believe he should not be president, and half, who voted for him by democratic election and just want America to succeed as the great Nation it is – preferrable loon-free.

AprilOrit on December 9, 2008 at 2:03 AM

The birth certificate ordeal must annoy BO and MO to no end. And that makes me very happy.

conservative_in_texas on December 9, 2008 at 1:35 AM

You sound like a miserable person if that makes you happy.

Good God people – what has happened to the GOP??

AprilOrit on December 9, 2008 at 2:05 AM

You sound like a miserable person if that makes you happy.

Good God people – what has happened to the GOP??

AprilOrit on December 9, 2008 at 2:05 AM

Nothing happened to the GOP as far as this case is concerned, It just turns out that there an certain amount (i’d say 4 or 5) of morons that post on HotAir. But unlike LGF, dumb conspiracy theories are allowed.

mainmann on December 9, 2008 at 2:18 AM

^April

Nothing happened to the GOP as far as this case is concerned, It just turns out that there an certain amount (i’d say 4 or 5) of morons that post on HotAir. But unlike LGF, dumb conspiracy theories are allowed.

mainmann on December 9, 2008 at 2:18 AM

The OJ Simpson verdict from Las Vegas brought back some memories . After his acquital , OJ felt then what BHO feels today, b/c they both used the same tactics — anything to avoid scrutiny of the crime & the perp
There will be riots ( 64 mil factor)
The detectives ( repubs) are racists
The press is biased
The jury will be fair b/c I am just like them
Screw ppl with IQ more than their shoe size, the jury is the right color
I hate ppl, they are the worst

The birth certificate ordeal must annoy BO and MO to no end.

They are bumping fists and having Champaigne and halal caviar to celebrate the stupidity and lack of character of everyone ….their voters , free press , ACORN and of course the Democratic party
Now who is Judge Ito in SCOTUS ?

macncheez on December 9, 2008 at 2:21 AM

If anything good comes of this, it’ll be Congress and the states revisiting the “natural born” qualification, which must surely be the single dumbest operative clause in the Constitution.

[Allah], I have to disagree with you. I like that provision. In that, it ensures that a foriegn national can not gain citizenship and then run for POTUS (with their parent country’s interest at heart). Call it a “conflict of interest clause”. Now, the statute itself may need some more clarification… but I think that the qualificiation MUST stand.

Passed on December 8, 2008 at 11:06 AM

Uh, yeah, I have totally to agree. Don’t know what Allah is thinking. Uuuufffff.

fireweednectar on December 9, 2008 at 5:42 AM

Hey. It’s a question. Why shouldn’t it get answered?

curved space on December 9, 2008 at 5:44 AM

I think we’re all more interested in his death certificate anyway.

Coronagold on December 9, 2008 at 7:09 AM

Hey. It’s a question. Why shouldn’t it get answered?

curved space on December 9, 2008 at 5:44 AM

Have you stopped beating your wife yet? Answer yes or no.

Hey, it’s a question. Why shouldn’t it get answered?

The correct answer to this question – and “Why hasn’t the President-Elect posted an original copy of his birth certificate online?” is mu.

Mal Carne on December 9, 2008 at 7:51 AM

You are correct, Allah, when you infer no big, huge, mainstream right wing blogs were outraged by the court’s decision to decline. That includes you and Ed M. No outrage and you are proud to say it,too. (Only the little tiny guys spoke up)hmmmm….
Well, I don’t mind a little egg on my face if we can get to the bottom of this before too long. Looks like the tiny bloggers don’t, either. Apparently HA is willing to let the little guys take the hits UNLESS someone proves BHO is a fraud. Then all you have to do is say “my bad” “oopsy, we goofed”. I know you have to stay safe on this so as not to potentially mar your reputations. That’s cool. I wouldn’t want that to happen to you.
I do wonder, though, do you lay your heads’ down on your pillows at night and pray to God someone else can get to the bottom of this? Stay safe and sweet dreams, you two.

infidelgranny on December 9, 2008 at 8:09 AM

If anything good comes of this, it’ll be Congress and the states revisiting the “natural born” qualification, which must surely be the single dumbest operative clause in the Constitution.

[Allah], I have to disagree with you. I like that provision. In that, it ensures that a foriegn national can not gain citizenship and then run for POTUS (with their parent country’s interest at heart). Call it a “conflict of interest clause”. Now, the statute itself may need some more clarification… but I think that the qualificiation MUST stand.

Passed on December 8, 2008 at 11:06 AM
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Uh, yeah, I have totally to agree. Don’t know what Allah is thinking. Uuuufffff.

fireweednectar on December 9, 2008 at 5:42 AM
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I totally agree with fireweednectar and the other commenter. Shame on you, Allah.

infidelgranny on December 9, 2008 at 8:13 AM

I totally agree with fireweednectar and the other commenter. Shame on you, Allah.

infidelgranny on December 9, 2008 at 8:13 AM

The purpose of the NBC requirement is far less pertinent now, that is what he is thinkig. There is no real fear of a spy coming in here and living as a citizen for 30 years just to become pres and undermine the country. Correction, there is that real fear, but only among the same set that thinks this is a valid course to pursue.

Squid Shark on December 9, 2008 at 8:24 AM

Squid Shark at 8:24AM

Just like nobody but the loons fears someone coming in, registering to vote, and then flying a plane into the Pentagon…

Wake up, dudes! This is probably a MORE dangerous time for America than ever before because we are the last standing pillar who doesn’t bow to the UN. Both the commies and the Islamists have said in their documents that the way to defeat America is through our courts. Somebody wants you to prove their eligibility? Sue him. He can’t FORCE you…

If you think that what you described ISN’T the plan of our enemies, then you need to go back to the water where your brain leaked out.

A question for you: What would ever stop such a person from being successful – especially if the nation is full of people who call anybody who questions credentials “truthers”, “birthers”, loons, etc?

justincase on December 9, 2008 at 8:52 AM

Shame on you, Allah.

infidelgranny on December 9, 2008 at 8:13 AM

Oh, please.

MadisonConservative on December 9, 2008 at 8:59 AM

There is no real fear of a spy coming in here and living as a citizen for 30 years just to become pres and undermine the country. Correction, there is that real fear, but only among the same set that thinks this is a valid course to pursue.

Squid Shark on December 9, 2008 at 8:24 AM

My deceased step dad was a U.S. spy in East Germany during the Cold War. Born to German parents who became naturalized Americans, he was fluent in both German and English. He said it was common for the communists to recruit very young children from prominent communist families into espionage. These children were put in special schools, taught several languages, and brainwashed into believing it was their life mission to be a communist spy.

Now I know it is a stretch to think that one of these young communists could be groomed for the Presidency and actually get elected, but the communists did (and may still do) groom people from early childhood to be a spy.

txsurveyor on December 9, 2008 at 9:00 AM

A question for you: What would ever stop such a person from being successful – especially if the nation is full of people who call anybody who questions credentials “truthers”, “birthers”, loons, etc?

Oh boo hoo, he showed his birth certification, it is good enough for State, it is good enough for me. You know, we went through this with another president, they said he was born in Canada, they were kooks too.

Squid Shark on December 9, 2008 at 9:05 AM

Now I know it is a stretch to think that one of these young communists could be groomed for the Presidency and actually get elected, but the communists did (and may still do) groom people from early childhood to be a spy.

txsurveyor on December 9, 2008 at 9:00 AM

Well, golly gee, I guess we should have checked the credentials of every president with recent immigrant relatives, did we?

Answer: No, we did not, we accepted that the US and State Govt certified that he is a Natural Born Citizen and we moved along smartly.

Squid Shark on December 9, 2008 at 9:08 AM

Eligibility dispute, Part 2, scheduled by Supremes
Court rejects claim challenging candidacy, schedules another for Friday conference

By Bob Unruh

Not even the U.S. Supreme Court can kill the dispute that has developed over Sen. Barack Obama’s eligibility to occupy the Oval Office based on questions raised over his birthplace and citizenship and his steadfast refusal to provide documentation on the issue.

The high court denied a request to listen to arguments in a case, Donofrio v. Wells, from New Jersey that addressed the issues. But literally within minutes, the court’s website confirmed that another conference is scheduled for Friday on another case raising the same worries.

The case of Leo C. Donofrio v. New Jersey Secretary of State Nina Mitchell Wells claimed Obama does not meet the Constitution’s Article 2, Section 1 “natural-born citizen” requirement for president because of his dual citizenship at birth.

The new case, Cort Wrotnowski v. Susan Bysiewicz, Connecticut secretary of state, also makes a dual citizenship argument. Donofrio, whose case was rejected today, said he’s hopeful Wrotnowski’s complaint will find a more receptive panel.

“It includes a more solid brief and a less treacherous lower court procedural history,” Donofrio writes on his Natural Born Citizen blog. “I must stress that [Wrotnowski] does not have the same procedural hang up that mine does.”

“If Cort’s application is also denied then the fat lady can sing,” the website stated. “Until then, the same exact issue is before SCOTUS as was in my case. Cort’s application before SCOTUS incorporates all of the arguments and law in mine, but we improved on the arguments in Cort’s quite a bit as we had more time to prepare it.”

Donofrio had alleged that Obama’s dual citizenship disqualifies him. Obama’s campaign said the British citizenship expired, leaving him with “natural-born” U.S. citizenship.

Obama’s Fight the Smears website confirms Donofrio is correct about the Democrat’s dual citizenship at birth.

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=83113

Gil on December 9, 2008 at 9:20 AM

Squid Shark at 9:05

The one “they said” was from Canada? Chester Arthur. Last Friday it was proven that he was not a natural-born US citizen.

You proved the case against you. It can – and did – happen, that a usurper became president.

Why can’t the Obamas come up with a consistent story about what hospital Obama was born in? Why have they changed their story?

justincase on December 9, 2008 at 9:25 AM

The US has NEVER verified Obama’s natural-born status. That’s what these lawsuits are asking the government to do.

In order to verify, someone would had to have seen AT THE VERY LEAST Obama’s vault birth certificate – to see both the citizenship status of his parents and the location of his birth, and Obama has never given permission for ANYONE to do so.

Why do you so object to the government being forced to do what their own laws (state and US Constitution) say they must do and what you mistakenly say they already have done?

justincase on December 9, 2008 at 9:29 AM

Chet Arthur is hardly a userper, he was still born in Vermont to a naturalized father and citizen by birht mother.

US v. Wong is pretty clear that if you were born in the geographical US, you are NBC unless your parents are here on diplomatic credentials.

Perkins v. ELG also expounds on the NBC status of the children of naturalized aliens.

Squid Shark on December 9, 2008 at 9:38 AM

justincase on December 9, 2008 at 9:25 AM

BTW, the only person “proving” that Arthur was not an NBC is your fellow Birthers, the courts seem to say the opposite.

Squid Shark on December 9, 2008 at 9:40 AM

Why do you so object to the government being forced to do what their own laws (state and US Constitution) say they must do and what you mistakenly say they already have done?

justincase on December 9, 2008 at 9:29 AM

Why do you insist on a higher standard of proof than the U.S. state department? Or the U.S. Military?

Squid Shark on December 9, 2008 at 9:43 AM

US v Wong was decided by a judge that Chester Arthur appointed. He was born to a father who didn’t naturalize until Chester was 14 years old. That’s the new proof that Donofrio finally had access to last Friday. At birth, Arthur was a dual citizen because of his father’s non-citizen status.

And Chester Arthur knew he wasn’t qualified. That’s why he lied about his life story and burned personal records.

Haven’t seen Perkins v ELG, but I’m betting it doesn’t talk about children of NON-naturalized aliens – which is what one of Obama’s parents is: a citizen of a foreign country.

justincase on December 9, 2008 at 9:43 AM

BS on US military. Obama couldn’t become a private in the US Army with the documentation he’s been willing to show – especially since he’s shown 2 DIFFERENT COLB’s, claiming both to be true.

And the State Department doesn’t demand anything.

Furthermore, it’s not me requiring anything. It’s the New Jersey law.

Why do you think we should ignore New Jersey law?

justincase on December 9, 2008 at 9:45 AM

BS on the courts ever saying Chester Arthur was natural-born. They never had the true information because Arthur lied about it and burned records which would prove what Donofrio has now documented from official documents.

That obstruction of justice by Arthur would imply an admission of guilt. Just as Obama’s document fraud does.

justincase on December 9, 2008 at 9:47 AM

And BTW, the US military will NOT give Obama top secret information because he has no security clearance. He could never get a security clearance with the friends he’s had. What Obama is getting right now is the President’s daily briefs – basically what the press also gets.

How do you feel about having a President that the military can’t even tell more than they can tell you or me?

justincase on December 9, 2008 at 9:54 AM

AND the obstruction of justice by both SCOTUS Stay Clerk Danny Bickel and Judge Sabatino also imply that Donofrio’s case (and by association Wrotnowski’s case) are worth losing your license from the Bar over.

Why do you think that is?

justincase on December 9, 2008 at 10:02 AM

By the way….

I believe MM has written in support of Obama’s eligibility to be President as a “natural-born citizen,” and that (I hope I do justice to her here) those who think otherwise are engaging in “Truther” conspiracy theories. I’d like to know why she beileves this, but cannot find it on her blog. Can anyone provide a link?

manwithblackhat on December 9, 2008 at 10:14 AM

And BTW, the US military will NOT give Obama top secret information because he has no security clearance. He could never get a security clearance with the friends he’s had. What Obama is getting right now is the President’s daily briefs – basically what the press also gets.

How do you feel about having a President that the military can’t even tell more than they can tell you or me?

justincase on December 9, 2008 at 9:54 AM

Where’d you get that info?

As an aside, I’ve been wondering if some people in the military will start keeping stuff from Obama, but I doubt the President needs “clearance.”

As for keeping stuff from obama, gov’t agencies do it all the time with Rep. presidents.

If I was Israel, I’d sure be worried about what info. obama will share with his new pals.

JiangxiDad on December 9, 2008 at 10:41 AM

You know what’s funny. I was just reading the Hot Air entry on the Governor of Illinois, and I realized I was reading it with new scepticism.

Considering how Hot Air has bungled the coverage of this issue – i.e., not knowing what it’s about, not understanding the distinctions of the cases, and calling people who are concerned about it loons and so forth – I realized that I’m now reading the other articles on Hot Air with the understanding that they might not be very accurate, either.

Not good, Hot Air.

Alana on December 9, 2008 at 10:58 AM

JiangxiDad,

A Spec-Ops friend of mine from church told me one of his higher-ups said they have a policy of “plausible deniability”. He’d deny that he said it if anyone asked, this higher-up said, but they don’t give top secret information unless and until the person NEEDS to know it. If they don’t need to know it, it’s better for everybody if they don’t.

This friend of mine said all his military buddies were scratching their heads at how Obama could become president when he couldn’t be given a security clearance. In fact, he described how every school teacher and employer he ever had was interviewed before he could get his clearance.

He said – and I’ve read elsewhere too – that Obama is getting the daily briefings. And he thought there’s more behind Colin Powell’s endorsement than meets the eye – that Powell probably figured Obama was going to win and if he, Powell, could get a position in the administration he could intercept some of the stuff that Obama really shouldn’t have access to and could be the trusted go-between.

I don’t know if that’s true or not, but Dave thought Powell would come out of retirement if he thought the country needed it – and the rank and file military folks Dave knows are very concerned about giving any military info to Obama.

Every time I get worried I go talk to Dave and he reassures me that the US military has contingency plans for everything. They take an oath to the Constitution, not the Commander in Chief, and they will make sure that the country survives whatever CIC we’re stuck with.

If I was Israel I’d hit Iran RIGHT NOW.

justincase on December 9, 2008 at 11:09 AM

And BTW, the US military will NOT give Obama top secret information because he has no security clearance. He could never get a security clearance with the friends he’s had. What Obama is getting right now is the President’s daily briefs – basically what the press also gets.

How do you feel about having a President that the military can’t even tell more than they can tell you or me?

justincase on December 9, 2008 at 9:54 AM

Obama will have access to TS information, he is the president of the US, he is cleared. You need to get out of you mothers basement and enter the real world.

Squid Shark on December 9, 2008 at 11:46 AM

justincase on December 9, 2008 at 11:09 AM

Your friend is correct about need to know, wrong on everything else.

Squid Shark on December 9, 2008 at 11:48 AM

How do you feel about having a President that the military can’t even tell more than they can tell you or me?

justincase on December 9, 2008 at 9:54 AM

BTW, Obama already has the functional equivelant of TS from his time on the Foreign Relations Committee.

Squid Shark on December 9, 2008 at 11:54 AM

I don’t believe they’ll tell him anything he doesn’t need to know.

And I believe my friend, who I know and trust because his information has always panned out before, more than I trust you who I know nothing about.

justincase on December 9, 2008 at 11:56 AM

Yeah, Foreign Relations Committee. He’s supposed to be in charge of Afghanistan but they never ever met under his leadership.

When Israel took out the nuke site in Syria, there were no leaks anywhere. You can bet your bottom dollar that the Senate Foreign Relations Committee knew nothing about it. Nor the CIA.

Israel knows how to do what they have to do. They’re not going to tell Obama their plans. They know they’ll have to take out Iran on their own anyway so why tell him? If they’re going to talk it’ll be with Bush, before Jan 20th.

Obama met with Bush and couldn’t keep their discussion to himself so I doubt Bush is gonna tell him a whole lot either.

justincase on December 9, 2008 at 12:05 PM

And I believe my friend, who I know and trust because his information has always panned out before, more than I trust you who I know nothing about.

hobos on the bus don’t count.

lolwut on December 9, 2008 at 12:44 PM

Yeah, Foreign Relations Committee. He’s supposed to be in charge of Afghanistan but they never ever met under his leadership.

His subcomittee did not meet, but he received his briefings and TS information just the same.

Squid Shark on December 9, 2008 at 1:22 PM

I don’t believe they’ll tell him anything he doesn’t need to know.

And I believe my friend, who I know and trust because his information has always panned out before, more than I trust you who I know nothing about.

justincase on December 9, 2008 at 11:56 AM

You keep believeing that, and you will still be wrong, so will he.

Squid Shark on December 9, 2008 at 1:23 PM

You know what’s funny. I was just reading the Hot Air entry on the Governor of Illinois, and I realized I was reading it with new scepticism.

Considering how Hot Air has bungled the coverage of this issue – i.e., not knowing what it’s about, not understanding the distinctions of the cases, and calling people who are concerned about it loons and so forth – I realized that I’m now reading the other articles on Hot Air with the understanding that they might not be very accurate, either.

Not good, Hot Air.

Alana on December 9, 2008 at 10:58 AM
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Me, too. It started a couple days ago.

infidelgranny on December 9, 2008 at 1:53 PM

Obama expects special treatment again and he gets it. He decides by which standards he will be judged and how far he must comply with qualifying for office. His vanity appeals to some of those similarly vain in the GOP and those become useful to him in lowering the bar.

Meanwhile, many in the GOP can’t seem to figure out why they are losing elections as they again attempt to go along to get along. They don’t want to make waves or uphold standards because they’ve been conditioned by the media to think high expectations equals falling for conspiracy theories. That’s the same mentality that got Frist and Haster booted in 2006 and made the Gang of Fourteen possible. The GOP leadership kept kowtowing to the opposition while spending wildly all to get along.

McCain becomes the candidate who can’t separate himself from calling his sworn enemies “my friends” all the while much of the GOP following decides they’ll settle for a few statements from Hawaii bureaucrats instead of demanding to SEE the actual paperwork. That is why the voters opted against the GOP candidate. They chose someone who has at least stood his ground rather than those whom would rather not be seen as making actual demands that leaders openly show proof, again openly, that all Constitutional obligations have been met. When the rubber hits the road too many in the GOP are unwilling to stick by their demands and that is why the voters have been rejecting them.

viking01 on December 9, 2008 at 2:01 PM

Not good, Hot Air.

Alana on December 9, 2008 at 10:58 AM
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Me, too. It started a couple days ago.

infidelgranny on December 9, 2008 at 1:53 PM

Or you look in the mirror…

right2bright on December 9, 2008 at 3:53 PM

Say what?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s5OUdj_YIpo

christene on December 9, 2008 at 7:25 PM

I would always trust a guy with The One’s background.

We have a complete childhood description, no inconsistent allegances due to foreign citizenship or family influences, no past drug use, a completely stable home life with no trauma attendant to a broken family or desertion by a substance abusing, bigamist father. We also have all test scores and transcripts from all schools and birth certificates.

Then as an adult, we have all his voting records, bar scores and applications, even complete medical reports!

He has had no connections with criminals or financial arrangements with “fixers” say, to buuy a home and a whistle clean track record in the US Senate where he gave away $1 million a day but only a little to friends and family.

How did we get so lucky to have this Savior for our very own?

I trust him!

IlikedAUH2O on December 9, 2008 at 7:45 PM

How did we get so lucky to have this Savior for our very own?

I trust him!

IlikedAUH2O on December 9, 2008 at 7:45 PM

Nice, nothing like a double standard bigger than your double-wide.

Squid Shark on December 9, 2008 at 8:26 PM

Say what?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s5OUdj_YIpo

christene on December 9, 2008 at 7:25 PM

Nothing like a quote from an idiot to validate an idiot theory.

Squid Shark on December 9, 2008 at 8:28 PM

Accusing me of having a double standard is the libtard out of a community college or polly sci weakling way of saying “I know you are but what am I?”.

Half of the morons at Huffpo don’t believe any of the charges I made above.

None of them challenge the veracity of the statements but they do make cute remarks.

Ignorance is bliss. Who is as crooked as The One? Oh yea, Gov. Blago is worse.

IlikedAUH2O on December 9, 2008 at 10:01 PM

Ignorance is bliss. Who is as crooked as The One? Oh yea, Gov. Blago is worse.

IlikedAUH2O on December 9, 2008 at 10:01 PM

You have about as much evidence that Obama is corrupt as you have of Bush being corrupt.

Since it is just a bunch of conspiracy minded slush, innuendo and circumstantial crap, both charges are unfounded.

I dont care about his academic records, the guy grduated from Columbia, he passed and was admitted to the bar, aside from that I dont care. I will tell you right now, my Bar Score will not be released and neither will any of my transcripts if I run for president.

My military records will be released, but not fully, all the public needs to know is that I served honorably with no dicisplinary issues.

I dont even know where my COLB is and I bet you dimes to doughnuts no one will ask me to present it even though my mother held dual citizenship at the time of my birth.

Squid Shark on December 9, 2008 at 10:27 PM

You have about as much evidence that Obama is corrupt as you have of Bush being corrupt.

Squid Shark on December 9, 2008 at 10:27 PM

Bush is not corrupt.

Obama: AVS credit card fraud on his campaign web-site.

That was easy. And there are tons of other problems the idiot messiah has.

progressoverpeace on December 9, 2008 at 10:34 PM

Bush is not corrupt.

Obama: AVS credit card fraud on his campaign web-site.

That was easy. And there are tons of other problems the idiot messiah has.

progressoverpeace on December 9, 2008 at 10:34 PM

You wouldnt know it reading the DU or Huffpo, and their evidence is about as solid as any proof of real fraud linked to Obama’s donations.

Squid Shark on December 9, 2008 at 11:13 PM

What do Bart Simpson, Family Guy, Daffy Duck, King Kong, O.J. Simpson, and Raela Odinga have in common?

All are celebrities; and with the exception of Odinga and O.J. Simpson, they also are fictional characters. And yet, all of them gave money earlier this month to the campaign of Barack Obama, without any apparent effort by the campaign to screen them out as suspect donors.

Proof of fraudulent 0 contributions…. there would be plenty of that, if only 0 would release those records. Just add them to the pile of other records he won’t release.

ROTFLOL @ the notion of squiddy running for pres.

NTXLass on December 9, 2008 at 11:28 PM

Richardson stated,”Obama is an immigrant.” I don’t understand much spanish but it’s pretty easy to tell the translation to english is correct in the you tube clip linked by Christene. I guess BHO was so busy trying to keep Biden quiet that he forgot to silence Richardson. Too bad BHO has learned how to wiggle out when his lies surface.

infidelgranny on December 10, 2008 at 8:42 AM

SCOTUS are spineless cowards, afraid to know the truth, afraid to be the ones to bring down the rule of King Obama. The havok and strife that will be created by a black PEOTUS that is not able to be President will cause a wave of violence never before seen in American streets. This is just beginning to get real scarry.

Mark Garnett on December 10, 2008 at 9:27 AM

infidelgranny on December 10, 2008 at 8:42 AM

Or he meant to say…Obama is the son of an immigrant.

You Birthers grow more desparate as time progresses.

First he was born in Kenya
The his real middle name is Muhammed
Then he Renounced his citizenship in Indonesia
Then he is a dial citizen at birth even though he was born in HI.

Squid Shark on December 10, 2008 at 1:45 PM

Squid Shark on December 10, 2008 at 1:45 PM
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Was his father an immigrant to the US? I thought he came to this country to go to college not to obtain citizenship.
Does coming here on a temporary visa make one an immigrant?

infidelgranny on December 10, 2008 at 2:17 PM

As long as we are discussing phony forged documents put up on the net by Factcheck.org and KOS, how about the fact that Barry’s (aka Obama’s) Selective Service Registration form looks to be forged too.

Debbie Schlussel had this story back on November 13, 2008 she says; “if the signature on the document is in fact his, our next Commander-in-Chief may have committed a federal crime in 2008, well within the statute of limitations on the matter”.
http://www.debbieschlussel.com/archives/2008/11/exclusive_did_n.html

Question for the denial crowd; How come every official document found is irregular in this charlatans history?

ScottyDog on December 10, 2008 at 2:19 PM

Original, vault copy birth certificate — Not released
Certification of Live Birth — Counterfeit
Obama/Dunham marriage license — Not released
Soetoro/Dunham marriage license — Not released
Soetoro adoption records — Not released
Fransiskus Assisi School application — Released
Punahou School records — Not released
Selective Service Registration — Counterfeit
Occidental College records — Not released
Passport records for 1981 Pakistan trip — Not released
Columbia College records — Not released
Columbia thesis — Not released
Harvard College records — Not released
Harvard Law Review articles — None (maybe 1, unsigned?)
Baptism certificate — None
Medical records — Not released
Illinois State Senate records — None
Illinois State Senate schedule — Lost
Law practice client list — Not released
University of Chicago scholarly articles — None

ScottyDog on December 10, 2008 at 2:22 PM

Was his father an immigrant to the US? I thought he came to this country to go to college not to obtain citizenship.
Does coming here on a temporary visa make one an immigrant?

infidelgranny on December 10, 2008 at 2:17 PM

Does it matter one rip if he was born in the United States, the court in the ELG case says no.

Squid Shark on December 10, 2008 at 2:46 PM

Original, vault copy birth certificate — Not released and no one seems to think this is necessary bu the birthers, I checked, I cant get mine either, guess I must have been born in Cuba
Certification of Live Birth — Counterfeit. proof please, the state of HI seems satisfied with it, including the Rep Governor
Obama/Dunham marriage license — Not released not relevant
Soetoro/Dunham marriage license — Not released really not relevang
Soetoro adoption records — Not released why to prove what his father thought he was while he was 10
Fransiskus Assisi School application — Released
Punahou School records — Not released Why so you can know how he did on his addition and cursive classes
Selective Service Registration — Counterfeit proof please
Occidental College records — Not released
Passport records for 1981 Pakistan trip — Not released My passport does not say anything about my NB status, does yours?
Columbia College records — Not released Dont care, he graduated
Columbia thesis — Not released prolly a boring read, shame
Harvard College records — Not released Dont care, he graduated
Harvard Law Review articles — None (maybe 1, unsigned?)prolly for the better, LR articles are boring, particuarly HLR. I much prefer articles by real lawyers
Baptism certificate — None None of your damn business if you ask me
Medical records — Not released Seems healthy to me, hope he kicks smoking
Illinois State Senate records — None How do we know how many times he voted “present”
Illinois State Senate schedule — Lost
Law practice client list — Not released Good, he should not release his clients list, that would likely be a bar violation
University of Chicago scholarly articles — None isnt one of our complaints that professors spend too much time writing articles and not enough time teaching?

Squid Shark on December 10, 2008 at 3:00 PM

Squid Shark on December 10, 2008 at 3:00 PM

Some good, some real bad…if you are going to elect someone, wouldn’t you want more then just cursory details?
If you were going to hire someone as an attorney (and Lord knows the President handles a lot of legal stuff), wouldn’t you want to know his academics?
Bush, Gore, Clinton, all of them exposed themselves that way.
I think academics is important. Very unusual to hide or not publish law review articles (what it shows is that he really wasn’t much of a student?)…and the last statement is really strange, we are talking about students not his professors.
Medical records should be released, all of them.
And he should definitely expose any conflict of interests. You can do that without breaking client privilege.
I could care less about his BC, as long as he shows an acceptable one, and he has.
Baptism, whatever he says…family history, not too important unless something was really strange…like his mom and dad were communist organizers, or worse (but that’s not the case), marriage license, who cares?

right2bright on December 10, 2008 at 3:16 PM

?)…and the last statement is really strange, we are talking about students not his professors.

I thought we were referring to his time as a ConLaw professor.

I can see the desire to see the records. But I can tell you, I am not proud when it comes to my Undergrad or LS grades. It is not a reflection on the type of the type of military man, politician or attorney I am.

Squid Shark on December 10, 2008 at 3:33 PM

Here is the phony birth certificate posted on Barry Soetero’s Annenberg sponsored website factcheck.org: Here
(Remember Annenberg? As in the Chicago Annenberg Challenge?
You know, that board where Obama and his “family friend” Bill Ayers served together.)

Dr. Polark’s Final report on the Obama Campaign phony birth certificates: Here

This is what a real Genuine Birth Certificate looks like from Hawaii circa 1960′s: Here

According to U.S. law pertaining to births abroad, from “Dec. 24 1952 to 1986,” in order to register the child’s birth as a U.S. natural-born citizen at the time of Obama’ birth, he or she must be:
1. Born to two U.S. citizen parents; OR
2. If only one parent was a citizen at the time of the birth, that parent must have resided in the United States for at least 10 years, at least five of which must be after the age of 14.

Since Barack Obama’s father was not a U.S. citizen and Obama’s mother was only 18 at the time of his birth, she failed to meet the legal requirements of U.S. residence for at least five years after the age of 14.

All of this Obama maneuvering to support his citizenship claim is in violation of the U.S. Constitution.

Barry Soetero aka Barrack Hussein Obama aka Barry Dunham is not a natural born citizen period.

Cort Wrotnowski’s emergency application for a stay and/or injunction as to the Electoral College meeting on Dec. 15 was referred to the full Court by the Honorable Associate Justice Anotonin Scalia. It has been distributed for Conference of Friday December 12. The official case name is WROTNOWSKI v. BYSIEWICZ, United States Supreme Court Docket No. 08A469.

ScottyDog on December 10, 2008 at 4:19 PM

Since Barack Obama’s father was not a U.S. citizen and Obama’s mother was only 18 at the time of his birth, she failed to meet the legal requirements of U.S. residence for at least five years after the age of 14.

I am pretty sure that the statute is referring to the non-citizen parent. Since Mrs Dunham was a natural born citizen of the united states of america, and Barack Obama was born in the US State of Hawaii, Obama was born within the Geographical bounds of the United States of America. Case law is relatively clear that Obama meets the standard for Natural Born Citizenship based on those standards.
Case Closed.

Squid Shark on December 10, 2008 at 5:29 PM

The official case name is WROTNOWSKI v. BYSIEWICZ, United States Supreme Court Docket No. 08A469.

I have read the briefs, utterly without merit. I am absolutely certain that an outstanding constitutional scholar like Justice Scalia will feel the same.

Squid Shark on December 10, 2008 at 5:30 PM

With apologies to the 85 or 86 noble knights before me who tried to explain these points to mentally defective liberals, I humbly offer these simple thoughts:

This whole records controversy shows that The One really has something to hide or is one mentally ill and twisted dude.

A reasonable or honest man would just send the records!

Squid Shark, Senator McCain released his records. Fifth from the bottom at Annapolis?

And you’re ashamed? You should be ashamed of how stubbornly you defend a con man. Who is ashamed of his birth certificate. Right.

IlikedAUH2O on December 10, 2008 at 5:33 PM

If Squid Shark is an attorney he/she must have studied under The One.

IlikedAUH2O on December 10, 2008 at 5:35 PM

…no wonder you are ashamed of your records. Do some research. Like you read all the briefs…Right.

IlikedAUH2O on December 10, 2008 at 5:36 PM

ScottyDog may do tutoring.

But show some talent.

IlikedAUH2O on December 10, 2008 at 5:37 PM

And you’re ashamed? You should be ashamed of how stubbornly you defend a con man. Who is ashamed of his birth certificate. Right.

IlikedAUH2O on December 10, 2008 at 5:33 PM

I am not defending him, I dont like the guy, didnt vote for him.

I am telling you that the argument is without merit, you birthers have presented constantly shifting goalposts as I mentioned earlier, a sure sign of a deeply flawed argument.

Squid Shark on December 10, 2008 at 6:01 PM

Like you read all the briefs…Right.

I have read what I can get a hold of, yes. And my opinion does not change. Just because you go to the Brither Blog and look at a few links, it does not make you an expert, it makes you a tin foil hat nutjob on par with any goofball on DU or DKos.

Squid Shark on December 10, 2008 at 6:03 PM

If Squid Shark is an attorney he/she must have studied under The One.

IlikedAUH2O on December 10, 2008 at 5:35 PM

Cute, I did not have the means nor the time to study at U Chicago Law. I was in the working full time and UC has no part time program.

Squid Shark on December 10, 2008 at 6:05 PM

And Mr. Likey Goldwater, You need to look at who is on your side in this issue and who is on the other side. The big talking head on your side is a half-baked 9/11 truther.

The anti-birthers are the folks that the TC’s even look up to including “The Boss”.

Epic Fail

Squid Shark on December 10, 2008 at 6:07 PM

And Mr. Likey Goldwater, You need to look at who is on your side in this issue and who is on the other side. The big talking head on your side is a half-baked 9/11 truther.

The anti-birthers are the folks that the TC’s even look up to including “The Boss”.

Epic Fail

Squid Shark on December 10, 2008 at 6:07 PM

There you have it, I want to be with the “in crowd” backing the first black President and the Constitutional Law be damned.
How profound!

ScottyDog on December 10, 2008 at 6:22 PM

There you have it, I want to be with the “in crowd” backing the first black President and the Constitutional Law be damned.
How profound!

ScottyDog on December 10, 2008 at 6:22 PM

Nothing of the sort,
I have not seen any case law yet that would back up this ridiculous argument. Constitutional Law indeed.

No I want to be in the productive opposition, getting things done in this country instead of further marginalizing my ideas with stupid conspiracy theories.

Squid Shark on December 10, 2008 at 7:03 PM

I recommend you see a movie about the system of Government that will result with your tactics.

Comes highly recommended by Rush Limbaugh as well of others.

It is called Das Leben der Anderen or The Lives of Others 2006.

Rent it or better yet Buy It so you can pass it around.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0405094/

Don’t worry it has English Subtitles

ScottyDog on December 10, 2008 at 7:38 PM

Watch out Squid…we’re looking at YOU.… ;>)

jerrytbg on December 10, 2008 at 7:52 PM

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