Obama’s New Old Deal

posted at 11:55 am on December 6, 2008 by Ed Morrissey

Barack Obama announced the creation of a massive new public-works program aimed at updating the nation’s infrastructure while creating millions of jobs.  This comes as no surprise, as Obama and Joe Biden talked constantly about resurrecting the least-successful elements of FDR’s New Deal as an answer to the current economic crisis.  The new administration won’t just contain itself to roads, either:

President-elect Barack Obama added sweep and meat to his economic agenda on Saturday, pledging the largest new investment in roads and bridges since President Dwight D. Eisenhower built the Interstate system in the late 1950s, and tying his key initiatives – education, energy, health care –back to jobs in a package that has the makings of a smaller and modern version of FDR’s New Deal marriage of job creation with infrastructure upgrades.

The president-elect also said for the first time that he will “launch the most sweeping effort to modernize and upgrade school buildings that this country has ever seen.”

“We will repair broken schools, make them energy-efficient, and put new computers in our classrooms,” he said in the address.

The president-elect is bringing new elements of his domestic agenda into his economic recovery plan, committing to a path toward giving every American access to an electronic medical record as part of an “economic recovery plan … that won’t just save jobs, it will save lives.”

Obama invokes both FDR and Eisenhower in his new program.  Ike built the interstate highway system in the 1950s as a national-defense measure, which most people forget today.  The grid of north-south and east-west highways and bridges didn’t get built as a jobs program, but as a way to ensure that American military equipment could move rapidly to the borders of the nation in case of attack.  It had the salutory side effect of enhancing mobility for Americans, most of whom only had one generation of car ownership at the time.

The key difference between Ike and Obama is that America could afford that public works project, and its need went further than creating public-sector jobs for political purposes.  We hadn’t sunk ourselves into tens of trillions in future entitlement liabilities or trillions of existing debt from previous public-works projects.  We faced an existential threat from the rise of Communist nations who had already begun invading other nations to expand their sphere of influence.  Eisenhower saw how critical roads and bridges had been in Europe during the war and wanted to ensure that America was prepared for the worst.

Now, with the federal government deep in debt, unwilling to address an entitlement disaster, and throwing hundreds of billions of dollars at private enterprises in a vain attempt to rescue them from their own bad management and labor practices, Obama wants to create a new WPA to renew American infrastructure not because it’s needed as much as Obama needs to ensure his re-election.

The original WPA should serve as an object lesson for us now.  It was bureaucratic, inefficient, and since it served mainly as a work-to-welfare program, had almost no way of disciplining its employees to improve production.  The massive resources it ate could have been much more efficiently utilized by the private sector, which could have produced higher-quality work at a lower price.  That has been the lesson of privatization in infrastructure that we have seen in Minnesota with the St. Anthony Bridge project and the rebuilding of Southern California freeways and overpasses after the 1994 Northridge earthquake.

Furthermore, Obama’s plan falls outside the scope of government in a big way.  The federal government should work on interstate highways and its bridges, and state governments should remain responsible for their transportation infrastructure.  However, it’s not the government’s business to order health-care providers to put medical records on the Internet.  In the first place, many of them already do — mine included — due to pressure from consumers to provide the service.  It didn’t take Obama, a village, or a government bureaucracy to demand it.  Second, some people may not want their medical records on the Internet, which is why my provider has it as an opt-in program.

None of this comes as a great shock, though.  While Obama has given some indications that he doesn’t intend a massive shift to the Left on defense and foreign policy, his economic plans have always favored statism, class warfare, and a striking ignorance of history and reality.  Recreating the WPA and proposing even more massive spending programs in the face of our precarious financial condition and debt load finds its equivalent only perhaps in the apocryphal fiddling of Nero while Rome burned.

Update: Nick Allen says that national debt as a percentage of GDP was significantly higher under Ike than now, but that’s not quite true.  Gross national debt as a percentage of GDP was at 71.3% at the beginning of Ike’s term, but it was a debt mostly due to the costs of World War II and the Korean War, and it was already descending.  By the time Ike proposed the interstate highway system (1956), it had dropped to 63.8%, and by the end of Ike’s term it had declined to 56.1%.

In contrast, our gross national debt to GDP percentage is 67.5% for 2008 and estimated to rise to 69.3% in 2009 before adding this public-works program to the budget for the next four years.  (OMB report, pages 127-128)

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Wasn’t it Göbbels who said that if you tell a lie long enough, people begin to believe it? Well, I guess we now know how long you have to tell a lie before you start believing it yourself: 65 years. That’s how long the Democrats have been telling the world that FDR “fixed” the Great Depression with his public works programs. You simply can’t take money away from the people who have the wherewithal to improve the economy and give it to those who don’t. However, that’s exactly what we’re going to do.

I’m glad. It’s high time we put that lie to rest and America learns to dance with the one that brung ‘em (capitalism). It’s going to be a tough four years, but by the time this train wreck is done, either Barry will be telling us to put on a sweater (a la Jimmah Carter) or he’ll be in full-fledged Republican mode. Either way, it doesn’t bode well for his reelection hopes.

I’m firmly in the “It took Carter to get us Reagan” camp now. Only it will be “It took Obama to get us Palin.”

Kafir on December 6, 2008 at 2:57 PM

It appears it did not take long to exhaust the mental ability and critical thinking available from the moo-Saih.

tarpon on December 6, 2008 at 2:58 PM

How about building super fast trains?

Phoenician on December 6, 2008 at 3:00 PM

The idea that the government can “create” jobs is absurd. Government job programs destroy wealth and inhibit capital formation through uncontrollable mis-allocation of resources. It’s no surprise that the most socialistic of nations have the lowest economic growth rates.

Why are resources badly allocated in these naive schemes? If you need “economics 101″ it’s because there are no price signals to direct money to appropriate uses. This has always been, and always will be the case. Nothing is different about that now than it was 70 or 80 years ago when this nonsense first started to be tried, regardless of how much the immature and naive citizenry or the cynical and manipulative politicracy wish it were so.

How did the Workers Paradise pan out? In case you need reminding, their people ended up in worse poverty than when they started, except for the criminal classes who took over when the bloated bureaucracies failed to maintain the basics of government required for civilized society.

This is going to end very very badly, unless we wake up soon and stop this nonsense. We’re going to transfer massive amounts of wealth to our own criminal class — O’Boingo and his cronies, at huge cost to our great nation.

mr.blacksheep on December 6, 2008 at 3:12 PM

This is Change?

More like a couple nickels, a few dimes and a quarter…at best.

coldwarrior on December 6, 2008 at 3:12 PM

mr.blacksheep — You are so right, what FDR found was the end product of gubbermint make work was the unemployment line.

tarpon on December 6, 2008 at 3:19 PM

“We will repair broken schools, make them energy-efficient, and put new computers in our classrooms,” he said in the address.

Throwing yet more money at our schools.

Why, oh why, does the public never demand improvement along with that money?

Just what did the last few decades of throwing money at the problem get us?

Hawkins1701 on December 6, 2008 at 3:19 PM

Democrat donors, unions etc., line up for your cash grab.

Nothing will get done, this will be a complete sham.

However, people will learn that donating a few buck to the Democrats will pay off big in tax dollars later, so we have that going for us.

NoDonkey on December 6, 2008 at 3:54 PM

Now, with the federal government deep in debt, unwilling to address an entitlement disaster, and throwing hundreds of billions of dollars at private enterprises in a vain attempt to rescue them from their own bad management and labor practices,………………

This needs to be said over, and over, and over again………!

Seven Percent Solution on December 6, 2008 at 3:57 PM

Phoenician on December 6, 2008 at 3:00 PM
How about building super fast trains?

How many decades and Amtrak never did operate in the black? Superfast trains, sounds like a money pit where the money gets sunk superfast. If it’s a good idea, then how come there’s not a single superfast train line in the US?

Paul-Cincy on December 6, 2008 at 3:57 PM

turd-knocker

this guy is living on a different planet than I am

sandlin71 on December 6, 2008 at 3:59 PM

We will repair broken schools

I still think of his speech June 3, St. Paul, when he clinched the Democratic Nomination:

OBAMA: I am absolutely certain that, generations from now, we will be able to look back and tell our children that this was the moment when we began to provide care for the sick and good jobs to the jobless…

(CHEERING AND APPLAUSE)

OBAMA: … this was the moment when the rise of the oceans began to slow and our planet began to heal…

(CHEERING AND APPLAUSE)

I laugh every time I think of it.

Paul-Cincy on December 6, 2008 at 4:03 PM

Just wait and see who the contract go to.

christene on December 6, 2008 at 4:04 PM

RULING by a RADICAL

LegendHasIt on December 6, 2008 at 4:15 PM

A good book on the subject of the New Deal: FDR’s Folly, How Roosevelt and His New Deal Prolonged the Great Depression, by Jim Powell, published 2003.

Chapter titles include “How Could Such Bright Compassionate People Be Wrong?”; “Why Did New Dealers Break Up the Strongest Banks?”; “How Did New Deal Policies Cause the Depression of 1938?”

Powell discusses how the New Deal hampered the recovery, prolonged and added to unemployment, and set the stage for more intrusive and costly government.

It’s a good read.

labwriter on December 6, 2008 at 4:15 PM

How many decades and Amtrak never did operate in the black? Superfast trains, sounds like a money pit where the money gets sunk superfast. If it’s a good idea, then how come there’s not a single superfast train line in the US?

Paul-Cincy on December 6, 2008 at 3:57 PM

While it usually isn’t profitable for individual companies to operate railroads, the externalities make it beneficial to a state or region. Train lines reduce the traffic load on highways and delays at bridges or tunnels. They reduce the dollars we send to OPEC. They enable people who can’t afford to operate a car to get from home to work and back.

If a train line can reduce other government expenses and increase tax revenue, it makes sense. I think Amtrak operates at a profit in the NorthEast, but at a loss in less congested areas. As far as the NorthEast goes I’d much rather take a train from NYC to DC or Boston than deal with the hassle of an airport or aggrivation of traffic and parking that a car entails.

dedalus on December 6, 2008 at 4:17 PM

A bit of trivia. Where was the first section of interstate highway opened? It was the section between Abilene and Topeka, Kansas, maybe about 50 miles.

bopbottle on December 6, 2008 at 4:30 PM

Shouldn’t we be putting money into things that, you know, make money?

WisCon on December 6, 2008 at 5:05 PM

Recreating the WPA and proposing even more massive spending programs in the face of our precarious financial condition and debt load finds its equivalent only perhaps in the apocryphal fiddling of Nero while Rome burned.

All I read, but it sums it all up. I looked at the front picture of the thread and saw a child emperor.

Entelechy on December 6, 2008 at 5:15 PM

Hell, let The Chosen One go down the WPA road. He won’t be re-elected in 2012. Think “Jimmah Carter” in blackface.

GarandFan on December 6, 2008 at 5:24 PM

This won’t create any jobs. What it will do is fatten the unions and fill their rolls will new apprentices. Unless dozens of laws are changed the vast majority of all these government programs call for unions, state workers, minority businesses etc getting the fat slices. All hardcore Dems for the most part. This is earmarks under the guise of economic duress. As Rahm said, we can’t let this economic crisis go by without taking advantage of it.

The best way to view Obama and crew is to imagine they are Chicago city officials handing out pork barrel, publicly financed building contracts to their backers. Think of it as the “New Big Dig” Chicago style.

This should prove to be a great starting point for the remaining Repubs in both the Congress and Senate to stand opposed while educating the electorate on why government spending in the marketplace is injurious in the long run. The repubs that vote for it will tell you everything you need to know. Unless they got religion there will be many.

patrick neid on December 6, 2008 at 5:27 PM

hey … remember the last “new new deal”

aka the great society

how come our great media isn’t comparing Obama to Johnson … who was the original “FDR Clone”

joey24007 on December 6, 2008 at 5:46 PM

Shouldn’t we be putting money into things that, you know, make money?

WisCon on December 6, 2008 at 5:05 PM

All this money will be coming from businesses and business owners, so it is just a Union scheme and a real jobkilling Money Pit. Obama has some bills to pay back, you know..

Time to learn some Mandarin Chinese, since they will literally own us after we tank our entire future because of this two-bit clown.

But, then again, we always knew that…

TexasJew on December 6, 2008 at 5:47 PM

Investing seriously in R & D and exploitation of latent nanotech discoveries and nature-mimicking materials (frictionless surface coatings) and hydrogen generation from bacteria (that devour garbage and excrete fuel) will do more to spur new small businesses and bring jobs that have value and longevity than this familiar governmental busywork nonsense.

Obama needs some advisers who understand the rich potential in the many waiting advances in university research labs which only need some serious seed money to sprout fortunes and a brighter future for the economy and country.

profitsbeard on December 6, 2008 at 5:52 PM

If Obummer’s ‘New Deal’ (repackaged scam) becomes a reality, I highly suggest you all start thinking about becoming underground capitalists. The new taxes, restrictions, affirmative-action requirements and God knows what else could make operating a regular business of any kind well-nigh impossible.

Dark-Star on December 6, 2008 at 6:04 PM

When this doesn’t work who will they blame?

Mojave Mark on December 6, 2008 at 6:05 PM

LOL… my favorite Obamaism this week?

Pre Election: I will fix the health care system by bringing down costs…

Post Election: We want YOUR ideas of how to bring down costs…

or, he had NO idea of how to do it, or even if its possible… but I’ll promise it to get elected….

Wow… just … wow…

Romeo13 on December 6, 2008 at 6:06 PM

captconrad said:

That guy in the screen cap looks about as “presidential” as Urkel.

And I will never be clicking on any video links of this poseur.

In order for the free-lunch crowd that voted for this to learn (and be punished), we all must suffer.

Looking at this over the length of his reign presidency, if he doesn’t go down and has the power he wants, it’s going to be very punishing indeed; perhaps terminally so.

But – if he doesn’t and he goes down (with the concommitant turning of his supporters), it is going to be soooooooooo sweet.

Alana on December 6, 2008 at 6:15 PM

The economy is expected to improve to the tune of the 1.5 to 2.5 million jobs he plans to “create” without state help.

A law degree does not educate him out of the revenge on grandma and white people or whatever it is that was the impetus of his career and will be the center of his program.

Like Romeo said The One is clueless. Let us send him a copy of the movie Idiocracy —- the people in it reminded me of some characters I am seeing now.

IlikedAUH2O on December 6, 2008 at 6:29 PM

When this doesn’t work who will they blame?

Mojave Mark on December 6, 2008 at 6:05 PM

Ourselves

Schadenfreude on December 6, 2008 at 6:44 PM

These videos look like marionettes, only I can’t see the strings.

JustTruth101 on December 6, 2008 at 6:45 PM

Good summative analysis, Ed.

I’ll jump ahead before reading other comments at the risk of repeating their points.

Obama is attempting to nationalize in a lot of areas that rightfully belong to the states–schools and highways come to mind first–and to the private sector–hospitals.

The latter scheme of putting medical information is already being done by hospital/health professional networks. I foresee a seizure of the health sector by way of single-payer insurance and health delivery through the Obama plan.

While Obama is re-engineering energy-efficient federal buildings, will he be employing five WPA-like drones to change the lightbulbs into the “government-approved” type?

Multiple conservative spokesmen in state governments who have used private enterprise chosen by bid to meet infrastructure needs must show in dollars and cents/sense why the federal government is not the most-efficient, cost-effective way to achieve improvements. The federal government only provides layers of bureaucratic paper pushers that get in the way of producing results.

Schools are the rightful domain of local and state governments. If Obama wants to dedicate a portion of NCLB monies to “wire” these schools into the information highway, then perhaps I could accept his plan. However, the waste of funds and the resultant non-achievement in the Chicago schools as “delivered” by Obama (and his buddy Ayers) with the Annenburg Challenge monies definitively declare that Obama cannot make good on his pie-in-the-sky, feel-good education plans.

Grrrrr…Idiots will eat up Obama’s nonsense. I can barely get past his whistling lisp and pointing finger. Will we have these Big-Brother staged pep talks throughout his presidency? Somebody on the set, please dismantle his teleprompter. I cannot take this “great leap forward” nonsense at all.

BTW Why can’t he energize those on the dole to get off their sofas and pick up a shovel to “earn” their welfare?

onlineanalyst on December 6, 2008 at 7:09 PM

What a complete idiot. Hardly suprising though, considering Gov. Granholm is his economic advisor.

lodge on December 6, 2008 at 7:18 PM

When this doesn’t work who will they blame?

Mojave Mark on December 6, 2008 at 6:05 PM

Fool, whether or not it works is irrelevant. He brought us HOPE that’s more important!

Hmmm maybe this will be just like the New Deal; after all isn’t that what they said of FDR?

PackerBronco on December 6, 2008 at 7:51 PM

Obama needs some advisers who understand the rich potential in the many waiting advances in university research labs which only need some serious seed money to sprout fortunes and a brighter future for the economy and country.

profitsbeard on December 6, 2008 at 5:52 PM

G*d*** it. That kind of thinking p***es me off. You know how seed money is best allocated? By the private sector! Because only when people are actually investing their OWN money are they serious and thorough about investigating those investments and allocating it to stuff that works or at least is very promising. A government official, no matter how well educated, well never be able to match the results of people who are literally invested in their decision.

PackerBronco on December 6, 2008 at 7:57 PM

A more fitting simile would be Nero setting the fires, Nero becoming emperor, and then Nero promising to put the fires out by making sure that every other combustible source has combusted.

unclesmrgol on December 6, 2008 at 7:57 PM

Investing seriously in R & D and exploitation of latent nanotech discoveries and nature-mimicking materials (frictionless surface coatings) and hydrogen generation from bacteria (that devour garbage and excrete fuel) will do more to spur new small businesses and bring jobs that have value and longevity than this familiar governmental busywork nonsense.

Doesn’t do much good unless there’s a demand pipeline, capital formation and risk taking. Taxing the $#!7 out of everything that moves is not the way to get those things.

mr.blacksheep on December 6, 2008 at 8:05 PM

“Repair broken schools”?

Take a look at the New Jersey schools construction fund. Couple of billion literally “lost” by the sleazebag democrat politicians. I’m so glad to see that the messiah is going to nationalize that!

Wine_N_Dine on December 6, 2008 at 8:23 PM

I’ve got it!

Let us get people out, yes, out of the cities! Live on the land, become simple farmers and dress and live like we used to — before we started destroying the earth with all this technology. And dump all these possessions we don’t need. We could thrive if we could live like they do in Africa or that guy in Walden Pond.

The new home defense force and guys returning from Iraq could help the people move! And collect their junk to sell to fools abroad or use themselves as a reward for meeting goals of The Plan For Universal Serene Success. (PUSS)

And don’t mention Pol Pot! As The One said about raising taxes, “they didn’t do it right last time”.

IlikedAUH2O on December 6, 2008 at 8:24 PM

A liberal I know who taught in the DC schools, came out of there a conservative. At least on education issues. He found The One’s plan to spend on new buildings a farce. The DC district is improving, however. They have a boss who is using several capitalistic concepts including large bonuses, competition and (gasp) firing teachers. WaPo even covered this.

His kids go private, of course. That is consistent with giving others a 56 page application for a position while divulging somewhat less about yourself.

IlikedAUH2O on December 6, 2008 at 8:33 PM

Oh goody, more woodland hiking trails through our virgin forests, so that we can count the spotted owls.
Do not build anything of value though.

Amazed on December 6, 2008 at 8:44 PM

When this doesn’t work who will they blame?

Mojave Mark on December 6, 2008 at 6:05 PM

Bush.

They’ve got all of Obama’s first term to blame it on his “failed policies.”

And, just as in the debates, they don’t ever have to explain what that means.

Hawkins1701 on December 6, 2008 at 8:56 PM

Sorry, but there’s something about the screenshot and clip that looks at least faintly comical. I just have a hard time taking Obama seriously in the role.

ddrintn on December 6, 2008 at 9:17 PM

wow ok, so Ed would rather see more Americans not able to feed their families or pay the bills than see the government put them to work in any way they can. makes perfect sense, this compassionate conservatism.

Noneya on December 6, 2008 at 9:26 PM

Never mind all you nay-sayers, the best community organizer evah is now leading the nation. Public education is great…for everybody else. Public healthcare is great…for everybody else. Our elitist, un-elected politicians in Canada are driving us to the ground. At least yours was elected.

kellyjane on December 6, 2008 at 9:27 PM

We have been having some infrastructural spending near us on I20. Part of it was cutting down big old pines trees and building huge walls (12 to 15 feet high) in their place. I am not tree hugger, but spending taxpayer dollars to cut down trees to build walls? My friends who live near I20 say that the trees were better for noise than the walls. Another reason they gave us for building the walls, was that the walls were safer if you went off the expressway. Given a choice I would rather take my chances on the trees instead of those walls.

jeannie on December 6, 2008 at 9:28 PM

wow ok, so Ed would rather see more Americans not able to feed their families or pay the bills than see the government put them to work in any way they can. makes perfect sense, this compassionate conservatism.

Noneya on December 6, 2008 at 9:26 PM

Well, you mean sort of like not issuing mortgages to people who were never, ever going to pay them back?

Anyway, you don’t address this point:

The original WPA should serve as an object lesson for us now. It was bureaucratic, inefficient, and since it served mainly as a work-to-welfare program, had almost no way of disciplining its employees to improve production. The massive resources it ate could have been much more efficiently utilized by the private sector, which could have produced higher-quality work at a lower price. That has been the lesson of privatization in infrastructure that we have seen in Minnesota with the St. Anthony Bridge project and the rebuilding of Southern California freeways and overpasses after the 1994 Northridge earthquake.

That pretty much answers it. Now provide your own logical refutation, rather than “you want everyone to starve!”

ddrintn on December 6, 2008 at 9:36 PM

Check out this AP story http://www.newsmax.com/politics/obama_health_care/2008/12/06/158892.html of how Obama intends to do an end run to institute federal health care. The method incorporates “community organizing” in the form of “house party” griping and sharing health-horror stories via technology. Obama supporters will be determining the direction of health delivery in this scheme that Daschle is praising.

The American taxpayer is going to be more and more royally screwed if the conservative counterweight message doesn’t get out with better efficiency.

onlineanalyst on December 6, 2008 at 9:36 PM

We are f*ked.

I felt my wallet get lighter and lighter the more he blathered on.

Mallard T. Drake on December 6, 2008 at 1:52 PM

I’m glad you mentioned that. I have now realized that I do not own 1 appreciating asset. They are all depreciating assets.

cjs1943 on December 6, 2008 at 9:42 PM

I looked at the front picture of the thread and saw a child emperor.

Entelechy on December 6, 2008 at 5:15 PM

Yep. Chairman Tut.

RushBaby on December 6, 2008 at 10:00 PM

Where, oh where is ManlyRash? I truly miss him and his biting wit.

RushBaby: Good one at 20:00pm

onlineanalyst on December 6, 2008 at 10:04 PM

—ENERGY: “[W]e will launch a massive effort to make public buildings more energy-efficient. Our government now pays the highest energy bill in the world. We need to change that. We need to upgrade our federal buildings by replacing old heating systems and installing efficient light bulbs. That won’t just save you, the American taxpayer, billions of dollars each year. It will put people back to work.”

This is what he said concerning his energy policy. Replacing old heating systems and installing efficient light bulbs? This is an energy policy!?!? What about the drilling? Clean coal? Oil shale? Nuclear power plants?

We are so screwed, we will never come out of this in one piece. There will have to be a revolution.

cjs1943 on December 6, 2008 at 10:06 PM

Where, oh where is ManlyRash? I truly miss him and his biting wit.

onlineanalyst on December 6, 2008 at 10:04 PM

Is he up yonder? Or down in the dell?
Where is that blasted ManlyRash, do tell?

I believe he may still be here upon our own shores
Dancing ’round these hallowed halls
After all, he was known
For splendid balls

PercyB on December 6, 2008 at 10:12 PM

Welcome New York it’s Saturday Night Live.

joeswampy on December 6, 2008 at 10:31 PM

Monkey see, monkey do.

texaninfidel on December 6, 2008 at 10:32 PM

These blockheads think China is the model of infrastructure development. Sure, slave labor, pennies for those you actually pay, no environmental regulations, that’s just what we need in this country. I know our overlords are too obtuse and hidebound to socialist theology to see the truth, but if they actually want to stimulate the economy they would cut taxes. Yeah . . . that will happen . . .

sdun1 on December 6, 2008 at 10:49 PM

I still think of his speech June 3, St. Paul, when he clinched the Democratic Nomination:

OBAMA: I am absolutely certain that, generations from now, we will be able to look back and tell our children that this was the moment when we began to provide care for the sick and good jobs to the jobless…

(CHEERING AND APPLAUSE)

OBAMA: … this was the moment when the rise of the oceans began to slow and our planet began to heal…

(CHEERING AND APPLAUSE)

I laugh every time I think of it.

Paul-Cincy on December 6, 2008 at 4:03 PM

What you might not realize is that the original version of this speech included the line “Hillary has nice knockers,” but that was deleted just before Lightworker delivered the speech.

Y-not on December 6, 2008 at 10:50 PM

Where, oh where is ManlyRash? I truly miss him and his biting wit.

onlineanalyst on December 6, 2008 at 10:04 PM</blockquote

manlyrash.com

Entelechy on December 6, 2008 at 11:07 PM

Interesting news today:


Rumsfeld nemesis Shinseki to be named VA secretary

President-elect Barack Obama has chosen retired Gen. Eric K. Shinseki to be the next Veterans Affairs secretary, turning to a former Army chief of staff once vilified by the Bush administration for questioning its Iraq war strategy. Shinseki’s tenure as Army chief of staff from 1999 to 2003 was marked by constant tensions with Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, which boiled over in 2003 when Shinseki testified to Congress that it might take several hundred thousand U.S. troops to control Iraq after the invasion.

In other words, he was for the surge, i.e. more troops in Iraq. Something that Barack Obama opposed.

wise_man on December 6, 2008 at 11:51 PM

Prepare for a return to 622AD 1453AD 1929AD 1939AD and 1945AD next year.. why leave out 1948AD and 1967AD too?

VinceP1974 on December 7, 2008 at 12:00 AM

First, the referance to “number of” instead of “percentage of” is misleading and alarmist. There are thirty per cent more people now than twenty years ago.

Second, there is no way I can listen to this cretin for four years.

davo on December 7, 2008 at 12:12 AM

So which dingle dong will be appointed to run this new agency?

Bishop on December 7, 2008 at 12:14 AM

Let’s see………………..

As it stands today, before Mr. Obama, President Elect, the Office of lifts a finger, we are on the hook for $8 Trillion dollars and rising…………

Once he can sign legislation, where do you think that number can go?

………… higher or lower?

Don’t forget it was Democratic Government programs that got us into this mess, and still to this day, no accountability, no change, the problem rolls on……… the only thing Pelosi, Reid, Dodd, Frank and Obama want to do is throw more money at it without taking responsibility.

………. and no where in the press is this ever mentioned, especially when Mr. Obama has plans to throw gasoline on a fire?

Those of you who voted for this fool, this is on your heads, not mine…………….. idiots!

Seven Percent Solution on December 7, 2008 at 12:55 AM

Seems the solution to how to get what you want is to break it first.

droofus on December 7, 2008 at 12:57 AM

Follow up…………

…….. can you just imagine the graft, waste, corruption, greed, payoffs, and bureaucratic nightmare this plan would produce?

And once in place………… we all know government bureaucracies do not go quietly into the night…..

………. it will take a full scale revolution and cleansing of government and its bureaucracies to fix this at an even greater price.

Seven Percent Solution on December 7, 2008 at 12:58 AM

I think you got the wrong President.

1930, during the Great Depression: President Herbert Hoover goes before the United States Congress and asks for a US$150 million public works program to help generate jobs and stimulate the economy

That’s $1,846,680,000 in today’s dollars.

The stock market crash that occurred in 1929 signaled the start of the Great Depression. FDR didn’t run for President until 1932 and didn’t take office until 1933.

FDR didn’t so much invent all those government programs as much as he expanded them.

That’s the problem with accepting what “everybody knows” as truth.

schmuck281 on December 7, 2008 at 1:21 AM

Those of you who voted for this fool, this is on your heads, not mine…………….. idiots!

Seven Percent Solution on December 7, 2008 at 12:55 AM

May it also be on your wallets. May he bankrupt all of you.

Entelechy on December 7, 2008 at 1:36 AM

We are so screwed, we will never come out of this in one piece. There will have to be a revolution.

Fraid so.

Alana on December 7, 2008 at 2:10 AM

That’s it! How do I stop paying federal taxes? I’m tired of this already! lol

Javiel20 on December 7, 2008 at 2:23 AM

I have nothing new to add that hasnt already been said, except,

Man this is going to suck hard.

psv on December 7, 2008 at 3:39 AM

“Hopey don’ change dat.” -Hopey D.Clown

SDSquint on December 7, 2008 at 3:59 AM

What is the deal with the fake office and WHY is he acting like a sitting president before he is in office? Seriously. Can the nation do a collective revote and take it all back? I mean, it was a close margin and they do this sort of thing in other states. Certainly, if they have the money to fiddle with everything in this dour economic climate, as they are peddling, they can put it into a recount.
I’m only half kidding because the bile in my throat gives me wicked heartburn everytime I see this poseur in his “dadd’y” suit using big words. And, thank you someone for noticing his HISSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS. I think it’s supposed to sound smooth, but, it only reminds me of the snake in the garden, really.

One other thing: what does having our medical records online have anything to do with this economy and anything to do with the Fed? It concerns me that it is even on his radar. I do not need his opinion on my medical records, thank you very much. In fact, I do not like the fact that my kids records are already linked up…and that the government has an interest in them. Weird and intrusive.

Mommypundit on December 7, 2008 at 5:57 AM

It’s early. Sorry for the typos…I didn’t check them before posting. ;o(

Mommypundit on December 7, 2008 at 5:59 AM

I am not sure that I understand this. There are already companies that contract with government to do roadwork. Is Obama talking about creating a whole new entity to do infrastructure work or is he talking about giving out more contracts to people in the private sector who do work for the state, or is he talking about more funds to the state highway depts plus more funds to private sector? It would seem to me that if he was not careful he could end up taking work away from businesses who do jobs for the state.

Terrye on December 7, 2008 at 6:38 AM

Mommypundit:

I never check for typos no matter what time it is. About the medical records, several of the candidates {including McCain/Palin} made mention of this. The idea is to save money in health care. I am not sure I understand the reason, but it seems the idea is that so much of our health care costs are administrative that some people believe it will streamline the process and save money and it will give people access to their own records. Right now if you wanted your medical records some doctors would make you pay for them.

Terrye on December 7, 2008 at 6:42 AM

The emperors nude deal.

the_nile on December 7, 2008 at 7:32 AM

So how is making schools energy efficient and having computers going to solve the problem of kids not being taught basics, except for the basics of global warming, America-hating and Marxism? They will be warm and cozy and technologically proficient in their ignorance.

abcurtis on December 7, 2008 at 7:36 AM

abcurtis on December 7, 2008 at 7:36 AM

Yep. But on the bright side, they will learn how to play solitaire.

His Socialism. Our money.

What makes him think that the people who did not want to do contruction jobs in the first place, resulting in the illegal alien problem, are going to want to do these jobs?

Share the wealth.

kingsjester on December 7, 2008 at 7:48 AM

Terrye on December 7, 2008 at 6:42 AM

Ah…I see. I guess I have a knee jerk reaction when I think of anyone in gov. having an interest in my personal information. It might just be a philosophical issue…but, why are government officials/candidates saying, “look, health care just isn’t where the government needs to be involved in. Period.” Pie in the sky thinking on my part as it seems we have passed that mark in so many ways. No one understands the proper role of government any more.

Mommypundit on December 7, 2008 at 7:58 AM

One of the points that Jerry Pournelle keeps on making, and it is important, that in 1958, the year Poor Johnny Couldn’t Read, the US reading rate and ability was at a given percentage… fast forward through tens of billions, hundreds of billions spent at local, State and Federal levels and the reading rate is rock, steady, solid since 1958. Mind you many of the schools were *new* then. Plus there is the problem of computers going obsolete in almost no time at all… I learned coding on a paper terminal connected by a 100 baud modem to a mainframe and that was ‘high tech’. The first video screen for that showed up in my last year of high school. Picture the computer you had ten years ago…would you consider that ‘modern’ or even capable of running modern software?

‘One Size Fits All’ has the extension ‘Fits None Well’. Energy efficient schools mean different things in southern Florida and northern Alaska, so all regulations will need local exceptions, modifications, sign-offs, rules, compliance checks, overhead… and will be on top of the billions spent by the Dept. of Education that has demonstrated it doesn’t know what it is doing given the reading rate of adult Americans. Federal programs are money sinks – and only the smallest, leanest, and most aggressive contracting groups get anything other than mediocre marks. The best groups tend to be in the DoD – USACE, DARPA and DTRA. These are organizations skilled to do set tasks by the FAR and DFAR codes, which are a huge bookshelf if you get them in their printed form, and these organizations have clear and cogent objectives for each one.

Just on the sheer amount of non-productive time involved in government projects, with good and tightly run organizations only losing 35% per hour of productivity, the worst tend to be eye-popping and put the government average at 45% lost work to inefficiency. The culprit on that is Congressional oversight or lack of same is the blame here as no one holds any part of the government to any existing industrial time efficiency standards. Can’t do that, as it would ‘hurt the work rules’ and ‘oversight’.

If the Left could figure out that their dreams of an Omnicomptent State was a fiction and that we are much closer to an Omniincompetent State, they would understand where the critics of centralized government come from. And as NJ had to break up part of I-95, the actual, original, Interstate Road System as planned will not be in-place until PA finishes its bypass in 2009. Yes you have been driving on the *incomplete* Interstate Highway System for decades… which points up the problem of trying to budget and schedule on a National scale.

ajacksonian on December 7, 2008 at 7:59 AM

I’m firmly in the “It took Carter to get us Reagan” camp now. Only it will be “It took Obama to get us Palin.”

Kafir on December 6, 2008 at 2:57 PM

If that’s the case and I suspect you are right, then Palin had better start right now getting her credentials and base established. She had better know, if she gets the repub nomination in ’12, it will be all out total war between her and the media. She’d better be ready.

abcurtis on December 7, 2008 at 8:09 AM

Just wait and see who the contract go to.

christene on December 6, 2008 at 4:04 PM

Is there a Tony Soprano in Chicago? :)

abcurtis on December 7, 2008 at 8:17 AM

When this doesn’t work who will they blame?

Mojave Mark on December 6, 2008 at 6:05 PM

Bush – who else?

abcurtis on December 7, 2008 at 8:20 AM

Paul-Cincy on December 6, 2008 at 3:57 PM

I don’t know. I’m just wondering why.

Phoenician on December 7, 2008 at 8:50 AM

The very real failure here is that so many politicians, so many citizens as well, do not understand that full employment is a myth, and that providing government supported jobs of the type described by Obama has nothing to do with productivity. Real productivity comes from the private sector, factories and businesses, those evil capitalists who rely on profits to keep their operations going and growing.

We can pave every highway from Boston to Seattle and back several times and not increase on iota of national productivity.

Hasn’t anyone any sort of memory of how productive the former Soviet Empire was and how that turned out?

This Obama pipe dream “New New Deal” is nothing but the same old same old “socialism really works, it is just that all prior attempts involved the wrong a) nation; b) people; or c) leadership.”

coldwarrior on December 7, 2008 at 9:40 AM

“We will repair broken schools, make them energy-efficient, and put new computers in our classrooms,” he said in the address.”

This is the most obscene part of the whole deal in my opinion. I can just see it now, thousands of new government employees making $25 an hour going from school to school to caulk windows.

Each school will save $100 in energy costs but will need $500 in labor and material costs to make it happen.

As for computer, UGH. There is this notion out there that if you give every kid a computer he magically becomes a programmer or something. Half the kids out there in schools can’t even write a sentence or do basic math. But instead of tacking that problem, we’ll give every kid a new laptop so he can be on myspace in the classroom as well as at home.

Brilliant!!

angryed on December 7, 2008 at 9:48 AM

As far as the NorthEast goes I’d much rather take a train from NYC to DC or Boston than deal with the hassle of an airport or aggrivation of traffic and parking that a car entails.

I commuted from Boston to NYC for a long time. I tried flying and the train and flying was faster. I would usually go door to door in about 3.75 hours including cab to/from airport in Boston and NY. With Acela it was usually about 4.5 hours including taking the subway to/from train station in Boston and in NY. And the train was delayed a lot more often that flights.

angryed on December 7, 2008 at 10:03 AM

Perhaps someone that gives a dam about the success of the Obama administration (not me) should let him know that America’s economy has evolved from a medium to low paid manufacturing based economy to a medium to highly paid services based economy.

Employing a bunch of white collar workers on a bridge construction project may lower the unemployment rate but not without simultaneously lowering their standard of living.

Don’t get me wrong. All work is honorable. However, a lower standard of living work force is not going to be successful at reviving America’s economy. Even big 3 auto workers 30%-40% more that the average road construction worker.

Good luck.

watson007 on December 7, 2008 at 10:05 AM

Government should not be “creating” jobs. Government sucks at being in business.

If they do anything, the government ought to define projects and put them out to bid and let contractors do the hiring and run the businesses.

“Make work” projects are for crap.

drjohn on December 7, 2008 at 10:06 AM

We all know how well these public projects turned out for Obama in Chicago. Disaster.

Firebird on December 7, 2008 at 10:18 AM

Wasn’t it Göbbels who said that if you tell a lie long enough, people begin to believe it? Well, I guess we now know how long you have to tell a lie before you start believing it yourself: 65 years. That’s how long the Democrats have been telling the world that FDR “fixed” the Great Depression with his public works programs.

If they have, then they don’t know their history. Unfortunately, neither do most of the people posting on this boad. It is true that FDR’s first New Deal was relatively ineffective. However, what was effective? World War II and Truman’s Fair Deal (which I suspect few people know all that much about). World War II got American manufacturing working again. Not only that, it set up a system where women began to enter the workforce in massive numbers, while their husbands were at work. Because most veterans would get a pension and benefits, these essentially became two parent households. Moreover, once the war was over the government got out of the business of making tanks and got into the business of creating infrastructure. In cities, there were massive construction and renewal projects. In rural areas, state highway jobs employed millions of Americans. The creation of the suburbs also lead to sustainable jobs because we made our own products and sold them to the world. The infrastructure projects, along with the G.I. Bill were part of the “Fair Deal” and it’s those kinds of projects that Obama is proposing. Not the silliness of ditch digging that we saw in the first New Deal.

In addition to what he’s proposed there are alot of productive jobs that the government could do both in major cities and rural areas.
1. Broadband line installation, we built the interstate highway system, now we can build the internet super highway system. Please don’t confused your own obsession with the internet with a nation where the majority of people use high speed.

2. Actually make Recycling work. I hate those stupid blue bins. And you see the untrained person just throw them in with the regular garbage. In places like Washington, Oregon etc. in addition to garbage collectors they have teams that just handle recyclables. Every city in America could probably use one.

3. Public transportation line construction. Commuter trains have boomed this year due to high gas prices and as money gets tight, will continue to be popular and necessary. We’re way behind in terms of our commuter train systems, that kind of stuff puts folks to work and benefits everyone.

4. Building retrofitting. America is behind on energy effecient buildings, particularly in mid to large size cities. This kind of project saves big time on energy bills, which help out state and local governments strapped for cash.

5. Solar panel manufacturing plants. Self explanatory no?

I don’t think it takes an overly creative mind to think of the kinds of things that the government could support that would, simultaneously, benefit a different sector of the economy. The problem with “ditch digging” is that it wasn’t work towards anything. Vs. the inter-state highway system which connected the nation. Yes the government paid for it, but it had a powerful purpose in our society. I thnk where conservatives go wrong is their assumption that all government money spent is wasted. And that doesn’t have to be. As citizens its our jobs to make sure that our money is spent correctly. I think for too many it got hard to do the work of ensuring our tax dollars work and we instead just said “forget government spending entirely”.

DeathToMediaHacks on December 7, 2008 at 10:30 AM

Just the other day a UAW worker was asked on Fox News what he would do if the Govt. failed to bail out the auto industry, he said, “I guess I’ll be on the soup lines the next day with everybody else.”

His first instinct? Not run out and find another job, but to get in the soup line.

Just like the union workers in Chicago who are occupying their factory after being laid off – no thought to getting another job at all. They’d apparently rather bitch and moan about their lot in life…and do nothing.

Obama’s big government will do nothing to shed this type of attitude. And ya know what? I think that’s exactly what Obama wants…an electorate that is wholly dependent on the government for everything.

dugan on December 7, 2008 at 10:31 AM

Obama’s big government will do nothing to shed this type of attitude. And ya know what? I think that’s exactly what Obama wants…an electorate that is wholly dependent on the government for everything.

Let’s just pretend this is actually what Obama wants. A dependent American electorate. Then what? The problem with these paranoid characterizations of Obama’s economic plans is that there is no logical conclusion. Obama wants an “enslaved” populace. And then what? He’s going to have people building a pyramid ala Pharoah? Start sending people into battle to conqer the world and remake it in his image? I mean…really. What do people think Obama wants when they believe these things.

He wants to be a great President. He wants to be credited with “saving” the economy. He wants to be seen as one of the most important men in history, but he actually does want American to be BETTER for his being President. And frankily, for anyone with the egotism necessary to run for the office, that’s a good thing. He sees his path to myth as making America stronger, not enslaved. You may scoff at his aspirations. But enslavemet? It’s just….lame.

DeathToMediaHacks on December 7, 2008 at 11:33 AM

How about building super fast trains?

Phoenician on December 6, 2008 at 3:00 PM

I’m all for it, as long as it is the private sector that builds them.

Johan Klaus on December 7, 2008 at 11:53 AM

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