Limbaugh: “I love Sarah Palin”
posted at 5:06 pm on December 6, 2008 by Allahpundit
From Baba Wawa’s “10 Most Fascinating People of 2008″ special. I assume it’s his new contract and the lure of big ratings from righties that led ABC to put him on the list. Otherwise, the logic of saluting the power of conservative talk radio in a year when McCain won the nomination and Obama the election escapes me.
The clip raises a point I neglected in yesterday’s post about Huckabee vs. Palin: How does Huck expect to compete with her among the base when Rush, Hannity, Ingraham, et al. are head over heels for her? His relationship with Limbaugh in particular has been flatly antagonistic at times, with Rush phoning into Fox News after Huckabee won Iowa to declare him wanting as a Reagan Republican. Is Huck thinking they’re a non-factor, or is it that he expects to charm them sufficiently to make their preference for Palin tepid enough not to matter? As for Rush’s theory about why the media dislikes the ‘Cuda, how come they don’t seem to have a similar antipathy to a guy from Arkansas who used to eat squirrel? It can’t be the policy differences between the two; there simply aren’t that many. One possibility is that Huck was never part of a ticket that threatened The One. Another possibility: Barbara’s explanation is better.
Rush is right, though, about his comments on Hillary’s looks having come in the context of a broader critique of American culture, not as a sexist statement of his own views. Good thing Barbara didn’t know about the “testicle lockbox” or else she might have had a heck of an awkward follow-up. Exit question: When does Team Hillary finally get around to issuing a jokey statement laughing off every off-color goof he’s ever made about her?
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Limited government and social conservatives are generally in agreement about abortion, if only because the whole reason it became a federal issue was a Supreme Court decision that essentially restricted state governments from any restrictions on abortion. Even though most social cons see abortion as a Great Evil, they would generally be satisfied if the federal government just stopped interfering and let state governments take care of it, as they do with most laws.
But we see a similar dynamic about “gay marriage.” The government did not create marriage, and has no business redefining it. or declaring that homosexuals are discriminated against unless the government forces everyone to acknowledge that same-sex marriages are also marriages.
That is very much a big-government issue, but in the opposite direction. The first time a church refused to perform a wedding for two men or called homosexuality sinful from the pulpit, the stage would be set for a church-state conflict. And the winner by default are the people with the guns, so we would then have the government with the power to control the churches.
theregoestheneighborhood on December 7, 2008 at 12:06 AM
OT But great news! William “Cold Cash” Jefferson has been Cashed Out by the voters in LA!
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081207/ap_on_el_ho/louisiana_congress
Webrider on December 7, 2008 at 12:07 AM
You got your heroes song wrong again. Britney Spears says – Oops!…I Did It Again
apacalyps on December 7, 2008 at 12:07 AM
You’re hearing the amoral vicious voice of the South Park conservatives. They think of themselves as conservative because they hate taxes (as everyone does) and they have disdain for the poor (as conservatives do not — conservatives simply think government does not make wealth) and they like war just as long as it doesn’t cost too much. At their core they’re crypto-fascists. They would have aborted a baby with Down Syndrome and have no problem mocking children with Special Needs. They find all religions ridiculous and enjoy belittling what they don’t understand. I fear them more than I do bleeding heart liberals.
ramrocks on December 7, 2008 at 12:08 AM
.I know you like to think you’re as brilliant and intimidating as Rush, but you’re not. I don’t screech limited government, I simply vote, or not, as my conscience dictates. As for abortion, you did ignore my point when I said that I agree with another person here that its a state issue, if you can’t handle that then don’t, you’re the one not doing anything with the ball.
abobo on December 7, 2008 at 12:08 AM
Do you want to have a go at it here? I’d be interested to read a take on that. I’m from the South and raised middle class – still am – so I see their dislike of her/their snobbery towards her from that perspective, but I’d be interested to hear your take on it from a Western perspective. What part of the west are you in by the way?
meltenn on December 7, 2008 at 12:09 AM
Thank you for that..
summed it up better than I could
DaveC on December 7, 2008 at 12:11 AM
I’m conflicted on abortion.
On the one hand… I believe it is a human life. So why in the world would govt NOT be responsible with protecting it as it does all life (i’m not phrasing this the best that i could)… we dont put up to ballot whether or not 20 year olds can be murdered with impunity. This is a Federal issue.
On the other hand… for whatever reason I give deference to the baby-killers right to determine the legality of this..and that such law-making belongs on the State level.
But i do know the way it is now is completely backwards.. the Fed Govt is protecting the right to murder…not to protect.
VinceP1974 on December 7, 2008 at 12:12 AM
That’s exactly why i support limited government, we all- as conservatives of any stripe- need to get active in reasserting the first amendments protection of church from state IN ADDITION to the opposite.
abobo on December 7, 2008 at 12:14 AM
Darth Executor, does this look like liberal to you?
abobo on December 7, 2008 at 12:18 AM
Rush is lucky that he has a job that doesn’t require his hands to be used. Everytime he talks about Sarah Palin, you know they’re busy elsewhere.
lolwut on December 7, 2008 at 12:18 AM
is it so hard to understand why religious bigotry won’t be tolerated?
Noneya on December 7, 2008 at 12:19 AM
fify
Y-not on December 7, 2008 at 12:22 AM
this is a rush limbaugh thread but I’m the sexist? what universe is this?
Noneya on December 7, 2008 at 12:22 AM
ya got me there pumkin.
katy on December 7, 2008 at 12:24 AM
I agree with alot of things you post in this forum TGTN. I have to disagree on this though. Huckabee is quite sincere in his policies, it’s not demagoguery. I think you can still disagree with the man without accusing him of lying, and still make a case for your point of view (even though I disagree). I think Huck is right. My own personal opinion is that we do have a problem with all the people in the establishment, and the multi-national corporations controlling this country. If you think Big Oil, Big Business, etc. is on your side, fine. I don’t. If they were, why is it that American citizens are bailing them out and not the other way around? The latest trillion dollar + financial pacakge didn’t go to everyday Americans it went to corporate America. It’s never the other way around. Huckabee opposed the bailout. Any politician who has the character to do that is worth looking at.
apacalyps on December 7, 2008 at 12:25 AM
I don’t listen to rush so I wouldn’t know.
You were screeching “limited government” right now by accusing social conservatives of being against it and supporting it with inane arguments.
I didn’t ignore it. It’s completely irrelevant to whether the federal government should ban it and whether such a ban is against “limited government”. It’s against no government but nobody who claims to support limited government thinks the government has no role. That’s not limited. As it stands, the federal government is (and should be) involved in murder, despite popular belief around here that it’s not. Examples:
* Serial killers. Local police in many (I’d say most of the country) areas are simply unable to deal with a really good one, or are just plain incompetent, so the FBI gets involved.
* criminals who cross state lines (or leave the country)
* terrorists (both domestic and foreign, and really, terrorism is just murder and destruction of property done in the name of a cause)
* local dereliction of duty (say, for example, a state turned a blind eye while the population started murdering jews).
Abortion would fall under the last one. It doesn’t even matter if you believe abortion is murder or not. But don’t come here and say people are “against limited government” because they want to prevent murder. Conservatism is not anarchy.
Darth Executor on December 7, 2008 at 12:25 AM
Oprah’s the one that refused to have her on during the campaign. Sarah Palin should just say “screw you” to Oprah and The View. Let them get good ratings some other way.
ddrintn on December 7, 2008 at 12:26 AM
Reality sweetie.
Darth Executor on December 7, 2008 at 12:26 AM
So you’re intolerant toward the religious? Sounds hypocritical.
ddrintn on December 7, 2008 at 12:28 AM
It’s a photograph of a video game. These don’t have political affiliations.
Darth Executor on December 7, 2008 at 12:28 AM
It’s easy to understand.. as with everything else.. the Left is intolerant towards anything that goes against it.
No ones does bigotry , especially political bigotry, like the Left.
VinceP1974 on December 7, 2008 at 12:29 AM
Referring to the 3 legged stool here is what I consider abusive behavior or policy: 1) national security:the government not committed to winning a war or fighting a war poorly 2)fiscal responsibility: wasteful runaway spending, running huge deficits and allowing citizens to lose their savings through large corporate bankruptcies 3)not protecting the founding documents but instead appointing judges that will interpret the law according to modern mores and standards or advocating laws that abridge life, liberty or one’s pursuit of happiness and replacing it with death, constraint, and dismay.
technopeasant on December 7, 2008 at 12:29 AM
Ah, the daily fights between Joy, Whoopie and Elisabeth will fair just fine for the time. Haha! What a joke of a show. At least Baba Wawa thought Sarah was “fascinating”… whatever the heck that’s supposed to mean. Glad Rush was there to defend her too.
hockey2k5 on December 7, 2008 at 12:30 AM
I don’t consider myself angry at social cons, but I am concerned about their influence on the GOP.
My feeling is that most of the social conservative* issues should be tackled at the local or state level (and not necessarily through government intervention, but often through social mores). But mostly, I think that many of the social con issues are distracting us from more pressing issues in national security and the economy. Until we have sufficient conservatives in Congress to stop Pelosi, Reid, and Obama, I think it’s really inadvisable (and bad tactics) to spend much effort on social issues. It unnecessarily splits the party.
Having said that, I don’t think Palin is a social con politician. She’s a reformer who works to ensure that government works for the people, not the other way around. I think she’s a terrific asset to the GOP.
*To me, “social con” issues are prayer in schools, gay marriage, anti-evolution movements, nativity scenes on public property, and the like. Because abortion is a life and death issue, I consider it a core GOP issue so I don’t put it in the same category as these other things.
Y-not on December 7, 2008 at 12:32 AM
Thomas Jefferson:
“God who gave us life gave us liberty. And can the liberties of a nation be thought secure when we have removed their only firm basis, a conviction in the minds of the people that these liberties are of the Gift of God? That they are not to be violated but with His wrath? Indeed, I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just, that His justice cannot sleep forever.”
James Madison
“We have staked the whole future of American civilization, not upon the power of government, far from it. We have staked the future of all of our political institutions upon the capacity of each and all of us to govern ourselves, to control ourselves, to sustain ourselves according to the Ten Commandments of God.”
George Washington:
“The thing that separates the American Christian from every other person on earth is the fact that he would rather die on his feet, than live on his knees!” [Fuck yeah!]
This guy is truly Prophetic
Daniel Webster
“There is no nation on earth powerful enough to accomplish our overthrow. Our destruction, should it come at all, will be from anothe quarter. From the inattention of the people to the concerns of their government, from their carelessness and negligence. I must confess that I do apprehend some danger. I fear that they may place too implicit a confidence in their public servants and fail properly to scrutinize their conduct; that in this way they may be made the dupes of designing men and become the instruments of their own undoing.”
“Hold on, my friends, to the Constitution and to the Republic for which it stands. Miracles do not cluster, and what has happened once in 6000 years, may not happen again. Hold on to the Constitution, for if the American Constitution should fail, there will be anarchy throughout the world.”
“If we abide by the principles taught in the Bible, our country will go on prospering and to prosper; but if we and our posterity neglect its instruction and authority, no man can tell how sudden a catastrophe may ovenvhelm us and bury all our glory in profound obscurity.”
[It's taken about 40 years for this happen]
“If religious books are not widely circulated among the masses in this country, I do not know what is going to become of us as a nation. If truth be not diffused, error will be; If God and His Word are not known and received, the devil and his works will gain the ascendancy, If the evangelical volume does not reach every hamlet, the pages of a corrupt and licentious literature will; If the power of the Gospel is not felt throughout the length and breadth of the land, anarchy and misrule, degradation and misery, corruption and darkness will reign without mitigation or end.”
Noah Webster:
“In my view, the Christian religion is the most important and one of the first things in which all children, under a free government ought to be instructed….No truth is more evident to my mind than that the Christian religion must be the basis of any government intended to secure the rights and privileges of a free people.”
“When you become entitled to exercise the right of voting for public officers, let it be impressed on your mind that God commands you to choose for rulers just men who will rule in the fear of God. The preservation of a republican government depends on the faithful discharge of this duty;
“If the citizens neglect their duty and place unprincipled men in office, the government will soon be corrupted; laws will be made not for the public good so much as for the selfish or local purposes;
“Corrupt or incompetent men will be appointed to execute the laws; the public revenues will be squandered on unworthy men; and the rights of the citizens will be violated or disregarded.
“If a republican government fails to secure public prosperity and happiness, it must be because the citizens neglect the divine commands, and elect bad men to make and administer the laws.”
“Corruption of morals is rapid enough in any country without a bounty from government. And…the Chief Magistrate of the United States should be the last man to accelerate its progress.”
VinceP1974 on December 7, 2008 at 12:36 AM
Again with the Nazis, eh? Your tactics are about as appropriate as liberal comparisons of republicans to the taliban and the mullahs, just because you got the juicier analogies doesn’t mean your winning a debate. But since you insist on the absurd, let me ask you: If hospital is burning and you can only save either a trapped toddler or a petri-dish with a 1 week embryo in it, what would you do? How many embryos does it take to out weigh the life of a toddler or infant?
abobo on December 7, 2008 at 12:36 AM
All you Anti-American Christan-bashers can go to hell… oh wait.. you are.
:)
VinceP1974 on December 7, 2008 at 12:38 AM
You do not have permission to click this link. No matter what. Don’t click it. You are not allowed.
apacalyps on December 7, 2008 at 12:40 AM
I kind of miss some of the old trolls…the new ones aren’t worthy of shining their shoes.
They’re so…ho-hum.
Saltysam on December 7, 2008 at 12:41 AM
+7%
Seven Percent Solution on December 7, 2008 at 12:42 AM
Darth Executor? Is that you?
abobo on December 7, 2008 at 12:42 AM
abobo on December 7, 2008 at 12:36 AM
Why would a one week old embryo be hanging at a hospital?
Aren’t hospitals for people?
Saltysam on December 7, 2008 at 12:44 AM
Nice work.
katy on December 7, 2008 at 12:44 AM
I can quote redpill if you’d like.
abobo on December 7, 2008 at 12:45 AM
If you proceed to read all of this message then Governor Huckabee becomes your candidate. I’m _____ and I’m of sound mind. Mike Huckabee is the one I want. You asked me. I’m answering. Yes, I support that man in the next election.
apacalyps on December 7, 2008 at 12:46 AM
Thats, uh – um … above, uh … my pay grade!
abobo on December 7, 2008 at 12:46 AM
The problems the US has right now is that this history is forbidden in schools across the nation.
katy on December 7, 2008 at 12:47 AM
i don’t tolerate the intolerant.
Noneya on December 7, 2008 at 12:48 AM
No shit.
Saltysam on December 7, 2008 at 12:48 AM
Bingo! We have a winner folks!
katy on December 7, 2008 at 12:51 AM
Unfortunately it also seems to be true…those predictions.
I compiled those quotes before the election and posted to a former Pro-Hillary Clinton and then Anti-Democratic site NoQuarterUSA.net.
Some Democrat commenters there said the following.. and I responded with that.
http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/10/26/national-security-concerns-regarding-the-candidacy-of-senator-barack-obama-for-the-presidency-of-the-united-states/
I have since declared the death of the Republic.
United States of America
MDCCLXXVI – MMVIII
VinceP1974 on December 7, 2008 at 12:51 AM
What do you tolerate?
Saltysam on December 7, 2008 at 12:51 AM
Oh I left off my opening and closing comments from what I pasted above.. in response to typewriterstreaming. i started with:
“Our forefathers have told us all exactly what they thihk.. we have been warned”
then was all the quotes. and then i closed with
“Let us not insult their honor and memory by saying they haven’t warned us.”
VinceP1974 on December 7, 2008 at 12:53 AM
The “intolerant” being…? You do know the difference between “tolerance” and “approbation”, don’t you?
ddrintn on December 7, 2008 at 12:54 AM
If you had a child and it’s sitting on your lap and it’s a new born babe, could you say to yourself, “Well, I don’t like this!” Could you cut it’s throat? No. Right! Well, have it adopted. You don’t kill a kid because you don’t have ability to look after it. You’re just saying if a child is inside the womb it can be killed. If it’s outside the womb it can’t be killed. What happens if a childs born premature? He’s born 3 months premature. Listen to me. YOU SHALL NOT KILL! It’s written on your heart! You have to face God on judgment day! You cannot justify the killing of a child. We’re not talking about God, we’re talking about YOU and your advocating the murder of children! You shall not kill! You’ve got a conscience. No matter how you spin it, abortion is murder. No matter what any federal or state law says, it’s murder. Pretty simple, Vince. It’s not rocket science.
apacalyps on December 7, 2008 at 12:59 AM
Well, as long as we are playing the quote game.
“Cruel, vindictive, capricious, and unjust”
Jefferson Describing the God of the Old Testament, (Jefferson’s Works, Works Vol. iv., p. 325)
“If we could believe that he [Jesus] really countenanced the follies, the falsehoods, and the charlatanism which his biographers [Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John,] father on him, and admit the misconstructions, interpolations, and theorizations of the fathers of the early, and the fanatics of the latter ages, the conclusion would be irresistible by every sound mind that he was an impostor”
- Jefferson Again
One set of preachers make salvation to consist in believing. They tell their congregations, that if they believe in Christ, their sins will be forgiven. This, is in the first place, is an encouragement to sin, in a similar manner as when a prodigal young fellow is told his father will pay all his debts, he runs into debt faster, and becomes more extravagant: Daddy, says he, pays all, and on he goes. Just so in the other case, Christ pays all, and on goes the sinner. In the next place, the doctrine these men preach is not true.
- Thomas Paine
I have, with most of the present dissenters in England, some doubts as to his divinity
- Franklin on Jesus
The Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion [...]
- Treaty of Tripoli, 1797, Signed by John Adams
justfinethanks on December 7, 2008 at 1:03 AM
There are some people who just disagree, but the irrational anger, and hatred, that you see is coming from people that are feeling guilty about the choices that they’ve made.
Some SoCon positions are about the way personal matters affect society, and some people have a guilty conscience about those same matters.
kcewa on December 7, 2008 at 1:03 AM
un-real! So if the founders left vetting up to the public, then wouldn’t this case before the SCOTUS on Obama’s BC fall within the rights of the the public and shouldn’t it indeed be heard? If this is all we have and it’s thrown out then we are dead as you state. The case I believe is hinging on the right of the people to verify the eligibility of the candidate.
katy on December 7, 2008 at 1:05 AM
katy: what I’m saying is… it’s only in our decadent state … long since past the stage of rejecting our hertitage that a fraud like Obama could even be considered by the voters as worthy of the office.
In an earlier time, the Obama problem would take care of itself… he would be leeching off U of C with his wife for his entire life.
But now we have a population that is, as described:
I agree 100% the Supreme Court should hear the eligiblity challenges.. however,they’re too busy hearing cases from the people who want to destroy us.
Our Consititional Rights dont matter. But Ahmed the Jihadi Killer’s do.
And we tolerate this situation.
VinceP1974 on December 7, 2008 at 1:11 AM
You know, Vince, I understand your point, but just remember slavery was an abomination, and it took a war, and some Constitutional amendments to set it right.
Theoretically, (IMO the theory is a weak construct) it may be a states rights issue, but if that’s the case, then the Constitution should be amended.
Anyway, you’re right. It’s all upside down.
The SCOTUS went over the cliff. The similarities to the Taney court and its judicial activism are striking.
Saltysam on December 7, 2008 at 1:14 AM
justfinethanks on December 7, 2008 at 1:03 AM
You’re obviously college educated, right?
I see that it’s usually that sort of educational achievement that results in meaningless immature almost whining-type response that you gave.
Plus you are clueless about the role of the Bible in the founding of America.. so you’re probably a PhD.
VinceP1974 on December 7, 2008 at 1:14 AM
A blogger over at the Telegraph [UK] calls out the MSM and the left for their double standard vis-a-vis Caroline Kennedy vs Sarah Palin.
meltenn on December 7, 2008 at 1:14 AM
I am against abortion.
I guess my inclination towards the States for lawmaking in that area is just a nod to realism.
I think it is murder. Without a doubt. And just like slavery, the nation will pay with blood.
I personally believe the Islamic Invasion is a sort of divine retribution for abortion and birth control.
I know you Lefties will say how that amuses you or whatnot.. but that’s only because you’re lacking in histrocial persepective.
Indeed I’m not claiming God is sending the Muslims as his punishment… but if the West had a sustainable birth rate and hadn’t been demoralized by Anti-Westernism…Muslims would never be allowed here in the numbers that they are.
VinceP1974 on December 7, 2008 at 1:18 AM
This has been a slow and steady decay for decades. We have lost our voice to a behemoth in DC
katy on December 7, 2008 at 1:19 AM
This is why people feel guilty. The natural law is “written on the heart”. When normal people violate this law their conscience, at some level, bothers them because they know that they were created to keep the law.
And all people DO violate this law, human beings are, plain and simple, imperfect and incapable of keeping the moral law.
Thus we are all left with choices, to hide from our conscience in denial, despair or rebellion. Or to believe in a God who forgives us despite our failures.
People who don’t believe in a loving and forgiving god don’t like to be reminded of their obligation and failure to support life. So when SoCons try to protect life they react in an irrational and hateful manner.
kcewa on December 7, 2008 at 1:20 AM
So are you a follower of Reverend Wright or the Phelps clan?
Dead Hand Control on December 7, 2008 at 1:21 AM
huh?
katy on December 7, 2008 at 1:22 AM
I don’t agree that terrorism is retibution. God doesn’t work that way. Our choice to ignor His ways are what leave us vulnerable to evil. But i don’t think i would make a leap like as to being a Phelps nutter or a Wright freak.
katy on December 7, 2008 at 1:26 AM
So when SoCons try to protect life they react in an irrational and hateful manner.
kcewa on December 7, 2008 at 1:20 AM
Like the abolitionists, I agree.
You’re right. Emancipation was an irrational and hateful thing to do to the Confederacy.
Saltysam on December 7, 2008 at 1:27 AM
kcewa on December 7, 2008 at 1:20 AM
Arrrrghhhhh! I read your sentence wrong!
Please forgive me my trespass.
Saltysam on December 7, 2008 at 1:29 AM
That depends…
Are you Lenin, Stalin, Mao, Hitler, Pol Pot, or Pelosi?
VinceP1974 on December 7, 2008 at 1:30 AM
Are you really that dumb, AP? Of course, the media loves Huck because they know he is no conservative and they know he is no threat to the liberal establishment and can’t lead a conservative resurgence. Your Palin misdirections are epic fail, try something better next time.
promachus on December 7, 2008 at 1:31 AM
You are forgiven my son, now sleep well.
katy on December 7, 2008 at 1:31 AM
I didn’t say Terrorism. Obviously that’s just a fundamental feature of Islam that anyone living near a Sharia-adhering Islamic community has to adapt to.
I’m talking about foremost the Demographic and cultural collapse of Europe. The whole EUtopia becoming EUrabia thing.
VinceP1974 on December 7, 2008 at 1:32 AM
Not to mention a manipulator. They (quotes)were so all out of context that only a recently indoctrinated immature youngster would regurgitate quotes without actually comprehending the context.
geckomon on December 7, 2008 at 1:34 AM
What? I’m not saying that social conservatives react in an irrational manner – I’m saying that some of their opponents do. Because the positions that socons take make those people feel guilty.
I’m sure that slaveholders reacted in the same way to abolitionists – the anti-abortionists of their day.
kcewa on December 7, 2008 at 1:34 AM
The Old Testament is the most powerful force for atheism ever conceived.
Tav on December 7, 2008 at 1:37 AM
You are forgiven.
kcewa on December 7, 2008 at 1:37 AM
next to the Koran, of course.
Tav on December 7, 2008 at 1:38 AM
kcewa on December 7, 2008 at 1:34 AM
I apologized immediately afterward.
I carelessly read your sentence, and didn’t put 2 plus 2 together.
I’ll just shuffle off to buffalo….
Saltysam on December 7, 2008 at 1:38 AM
I don’t see an Islamic invasion as divine retribution. I see it as Europe turning away from God/wisdom and simply leaving a void in the culture that would be filled by the most aggressive force. Much the same as our founders spoke of in your quotes above. It will happen here. But it’s not because of Abortion or any other social ill. Those are just symptoms of a turning away from God’s ways. We may be sayong the same thing in a sense but I don’t believe God does these things as much as he allows them depending on our choices.
katy on December 7, 2008 at 1:39 AM
So true.
Try being an atheist in a land whose law stems from the Koran.
VinceP1974 on December 7, 2008 at 1:39 AM
ZZZZZzzzzzzzzz.
Saltysam on December 7, 2008 at 1:39 AM
Okay, I’ll bite. Reverend right says of 9/11 “Chickens coming home to roost.” The Phelps Clan says that our country suffers attacks and soldiers die because “God hates gays”. You say that God uses Muslim terrorists to punish us for abortion. Do you see the connection, or is that too college educated for you?
Now, if you’ll explain how my rejection of the idea that 9/11 is God’s punishment puts me in the same camp as Pol Pot, etc. . . . (I’ll take a guess – those people support genocide? That can’t be, because you don’t know what my position on abortion is, though).
Dead Hand Control on December 7, 2008 at 1:41 AM
Jefferson was writing a while ago. I think theolgical understanding has advanced since his day.
Except for atheist theologians still repeating 18th century theology based on 17th century philosophy and 17th century science.
kcewa on December 7, 2008 at 1:42 AM
We’re saying the same thing.
BTW: I dont think God waves His hand…a nd then X Y Z happens.
I believe human nature is as it is and when we go against what He instructed and taught in the Bible, then things go wrong.
So when we as a nation reject God… the human nature kicks in and what can be perceived as retribution is just natural consequence .. and we call that “God did x”. Or I call it that.
God didn’t do it… we did.
VinceP1974 on December 7, 2008 at 1:42 AM
I couldn’t have explained it better myself, kcewa. You sound like a saved person to me :-). I like to call the conscience God’s ally. The Bible tells us in Romans 2:15, that God’s law is written in every one of our hearts. It says, “Which shew (show) the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness.” That means God’s is law written in our hearts and our conscience bears witness to this by indicating to us what’s right and wrong. That’s exactly why people feel guilty. Thanks.
apacalyps on December 7, 2008 at 1:43 AM
In case you couldn’t tell.. I’m completely uninterested in what you have to say.
I value my time. It’s clear from your comments what you’re about.
VinceP1974 on December 7, 2008 at 1:44 AM
I’ll buy that easier…. :0
Off to catch ZZZZZZZZ.
katy on December 7, 2008 at 1:45 AM
And what’s with this oppression complex among social conservatives? Did we not elect George W. Bush twice? Did we not vigorously support Sarah Palin? Just because we reject Mike Huckabee does not mean that we reject socially conservative ideals, notwithstanding what a few out of touch Northeast columnists write.
Dead Hand Control on December 7, 2008 at 1:45 AM
The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement. The opposite of a profound truth may well be another profound truth.
Tav on December 7, 2008 at 1:45 AM
BTW, two congressional races were decided in Louisiana tonight.
Two socially conservative reublicans won. Combined with the Saxby victory what does this say about the libs appeal when Obama’s not on the ticket? Like, say, in 2010?
kcewa on December 7, 2008 at 1:49 AM
Perhaps.. but you should note that atheists weren’t very well regarded until the Protestant Reformation.. which didn’t happen until Christians rediscovered the Old Testament.
The thing you disdain should be given the credit for society’s respect of an individual’s conscience. A core value of Christianity. Secular Collectivism is way more self-refuting than the Bible if you ask me.
VinceP1974 on December 7, 2008 at 1:49 AM
THe Stupid Party (GOP) can be counted on defeating themselves again.
VinceP1974 on December 7, 2008 at 1:50 AM
Nice cop out. When faced with criticism you hurl insults or feign disinterest. Why don’t you man up and debate the point like an adult? How is your viewpoint different than that of Phelps or Wright? And this is coming from someone who feels that the prevention of abortion is among the duties of a limited government under the social contract, in spite of what you think you know about me.
Dead Hand Control on December 7, 2008 at 1:51 AM
Thank you. It’s the babe in the manger that allows us to feel guilty and still love God at the same time, eh?
kcewa on December 7, 2008 at 1:53 AM
Why do you say that?
kcewa on December 7, 2008 at 1:56 AM
sounds like ‘Mere Christianity’ by C.S. Lewis..
DaveC on December 7, 2008 at 1:57 AM
So CT Whitman says that the GOP has been held hostage to SC and describes the selection of SP as a ‘cynical sop to social fundamentalists’ reinforcing the impression that they control the party, with the party’s consent. Folks, these are fighting words. The rebuilding of the GOP started with the Chambliss landslide victory, continued tonight with 2 GOP upset wins in Louisiana House races and will take on a new dimension if a conservative person is chosen as the new head of the RNC. And Arnold opposes Proposition 8. The battle lines have been drawn. Let the games begin in 2009.
technopeasant on December 7, 2008 at 1:57 AM
Men rarely, if ever, manage to dream of a God superior to themselves.
Tav on December 7, 2008 at 1:59 AM
CTW proves with this statement why she’s a moron.
Where do people get the idea that Sarah Palin is advocating the cause for statutary enactment of social conservativism?
VinceP1974 on December 7, 2008 at 2:00 AM
and that still passed 53-47… because, you know, California is filled with Christians and Conservatives..
/s
DaveC on December 7, 2008 at 2:03 AM
ugh elitists who go to college? next thing you know, people will want to go to *horror* med school or law school and make something of themselves! SOCIALISTS!
lolwut on December 7, 2008 at 2:03 AM
Yes…and Sts Paul and Thomas Aquinas.
But the best book i’ve found on this that specifically relates it to current issues like abortion is “what we can’t not know” by J. Budziszewski.
kcewa on December 7, 2008 at 2:03 AM
Is man God’s great blunder or is God man’s?
Tav on December 7, 2008 at 2:07 AM
Let them begin now.
kcewa on December 7, 2008 at 2:07 AM
…from a daunted media.
Distraction, misinformation, and slander is their propaganda model.
Saltysam on December 7, 2008 at 2:08 AM
She is really irritating
blatantblue on December 7, 2008 at 2:08 AM
Also, don’t let Sarah Palin go on his show. The way hes looking recently, he’d probably eat her. What happened to all that weight he lost? Damn.
lolwut on December 7, 2008 at 2:11 AM
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