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Ayers: It wasn’t terrorism, it was more like “extreme vandalism”

posted at 2:56 pm on December 6, 2008 by Allahpundit
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Not the first time he’s tried to finesse the concept, although it may be the first time he’s done it in the pages of a paper whose own reporting contradicts him. Terrorists, it seems, kill people indiscriminately whereas the Weathermen never tried to kill anyone. Except cops. And soldiers.

Which, in fairness, is very discriminating indeed.

In 1970, I co-founded the Weather Underground, an organization that was created after an accidental explosion that claimed the lives of three of our comrades in Greenwich Village. The Weather Underground went on to take responsibility for placing several small bombs in empty offices — the ones at the Pentagon and the United States Capitol were the most notorious — as an illegal and unpopular war consumed the nation.

The Weather Underground crossed lines of legality, of propriety and perhaps even of common sense. Our effectiveness can be — and still is being — debated. We did carry out symbolic acts of extreme vandalism directed at monuments to war and racism, and the attacks on property, never on people, were meant to respect human life and convey outrage and determination to end the Vietnam war.

Peaceful protests had failed to stop the war. So we issued a screaming response. But it was not terrorism; we were not engaged in a campaign to kill and injure people indiscriminately, spreading fear and suffering for political ends…

I have regrets, of course — including mistakes of excess and failures of imagination, posturing and posing, inflated and heated rhetoric, blind sectarianism and a lot else. No one can reach my age with their eyes even partly open and not have hundreds of regrets. The responsibility for the risks we posed to others in some of our most extreme actions in those underground years never leaves my thoughts for long.

Question via Jules Crittenden: Why’d the NYT accept this piece when they know he’s lying? They were the ones who reported on 9/11 that he wished he’d set more bombs; they were the ones who reminded us a month before the election that the Weathermen did indeed have a body count. In fact, they were the ones who told us 30 years ago that the Underground had ties to Cuban officials, which would go a long way towards establishing those “political ends” to which Ayers refers. In case they weren’t already abundantly established.

Read the whole thing, though. My favorite part’s at the end, where he hints that bomb-setting radicals are really just another interest group to be listened to in the interest of diversity. Exit question: Do grandiose fantasies involving extermination camps qualify as “extreme vandalism” or is that more like “super extreme vandalism”?


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It wasn’t rape, it was just deep kissing.

Firebird on December 6, 2008 at 3:02 PM

Mohammed Atta would surely agree with Ayers…

Rot in hell, you both!

newton on December 6, 2008 at 3:02 PM

“Why’d the NYT accept this piece when they know for a fact that he’s lying?”

I know that’s rhetorical.

artist on December 6, 2008 at 3:05 PM

This is just an article for people who want to believe so they feel comfortable. The facts, as AP shows here, are incongruent with the author’s propaganda.

I can’t stand Ayers.

Spirit of 1776 on December 6, 2008 at 3:06 PM

There was another group that acted like Bill Ayers in the 1960’s because they felt the country wouldn’t listen, they are known as The Ku Klux Klan.

rob verdi on December 6, 2008 at 3:06 PM

Question via Jules Crittenden: Why’d the NYT accept this piece when they know for a fact that he’s lying?

Was it the NYT which accepted an op-ed from Obama about the war effort in Iraq, but rejected one from McCain because basically it was not ‘nuanced’ enough? They cited some kind of op-ed standards or some such. Yet, now here they accept an outright lying op-ed from a domestic terrorist? Brilliant.

Michael in MI on December 6, 2008 at 3:07 PM

He should just keep talking. I bet it helps shorten Obama’s coattails as this asshole gets more attention.

aikidoka on December 6, 2008 at 3:07 PM

Ot, but Allah, I thought you would enjoy this. You thought the Obama and unicorn thing was a joke.

Some people don’t think so.

*warning* eye bleach may be required after viewing.

Rightwingsparkle on December 6, 2008 at 3:07 PM

There was another group that acted like Bill Ayers in the 1960’s because they felt the country wouldn’t listen, they are known as The Ku Klux Klan.

rob verdi on December 6, 2008 at 3:06 PM

Yep, and I have no doubt that if John McCain had a long standing working and personal relationship and history with an unrepentant clansman, he would have gotten the same pass as Obama.

/do i have to?

Michael in MI on December 6, 2008 at 3:08 PM

It wasn’t murder, it was just a late abortion.

Wino on December 6, 2008 at 3:08 PM

It was important to hear from this creep before the election, and it was important to hear from Obama about his relationship with the creep and his creepy wife. Now, though, he and the press both are trying to sanitize his and the Weather Underground’s history. It is reprehensible that he is being given virtually as much media time as he wants, and more that he is not being challenged on his lies by people who know the facts.

He wasn’t protesting the US engagement in the Vietnam War, he was waging war on the US. Just because he was inept is no reason to grill him thoroughly about his real motives at the time and to give the poor ol’ commie puke a pass because he is “some guy who lives in” the president-elect’s neighborhood.

ProfessorMiao on December 6, 2008 at 3:11 PM

Leftists are really funny, when they are in jail.

tarpon on December 6, 2008 at 3:12 PM

You know…………….. bad things happen to good people all fo the time.

……………….. why can’t, just for once, bad things happen to bad people?

Seven Percent Solution on December 6, 2008 at 3:14 PM

Golf Foxtrot Yankee, Billy-boy. Tell it to the soldiers your “comrades” tried to kill.

Sekhmet on December 6, 2008 at 3:15 PM

We did carry out symbolic acts of extreme vandalism directed at monuments to war and racism, and the attacks on property, never on people, were meant to respect human life and convey outrage and determination to end the Vietnam war

Right . . . of course, the act of “respecting human life” caused first-responders to rush to the targets, with lights and sirens, going through stop signs and red lights without stopping.

The response of first-responders is intrinsically dangerous: some drivers don’t hear sirens because of their radios or their sound-proof cars; others can’t locate where the commotion is coming from or heading to. Some people who do become aware swerve unpredictably, some don’t slow down, some stop outright, blocking lanes.

It’s as if all driving conventions are suspended: Cars and other property get damaged and people get injured if not killed.

Is there any driver who has not gotten a cold chill when caught in such a situation? I think not.

BLOC on December 6, 2008 at 3:16 PM

Hannibal Lector, but without the insight or guts.

Count to 10 on December 6, 2008 at 3:18 PM

This filthy, lying lowlife scumbag and his cloven-hoofed wife have to be two of the most reprehensible things ever spawned in these United States of America (closely followed by every member of the NYT)…

Fuzzlenutter on December 6, 2008 at 3:20 PM

Ahh, the insouciance of youth.
1968: Kill the MAN !!
2008: Why can’t I get any respect from the man ??

silverfox on December 6, 2008 at 3:20 PM

why can’t, just for once, bad things happen to bad people?

Seven Percent Solution on December 6, 2008 at 3:14 PM

Maybe it is being protected from the consequences of their actions that makes people bad.

Count to 10 on December 6, 2008 at 3:21 PM

Do grandiose fantasies involving extermination camps qualify as “extreme vandalism,” or is that more like “super extreme vandalism”?

Did the Weather Underground advocate genocide? I highly doubt it, Allah.

Your link takes us to Confederate Yankee (great source there, btw) and then to a clip of “FBI informant” Larry Grathwohl apparently claiming he overhead some college kids at Columbia fantasizing about reeducation camps and 25 million deaths . . . except the video is unavailable (some guy on MySpace apparently has it) and, from what I can gather, is excerpted from a 1982 documentary entitled “No Place To Hide: The Strategy and Tactics of Terrorism,” Volume 6 in the “Hidden Agenda” series (reissued in 2004), put together by . . . “Kevin Randle and Don Schmitt, two of the foremost UFO investigators on the Roswell crash.”

Give me a break.

Grow Fins on December 6, 2008 at 3:23 PM

Prior to the election, this guy was deemed simply a ‘right-wing smear’ and the mass media meme (and that of Obama) was that he had nothing to do with Obama. Now that Obama is safely elected, he is given a platform to spew his nonsense, because, oh whaddayaknow!, he is a close friend and political ally of Obama afterall, BUT… all that stuff about his so-called ‘terrorism’ is just a ‘right-wing smear’.

If they couldn’t rely on the utter ignorance and gullibility of most of the American public to believe this nonsense, they couldn’t continue to get away with it. But such as it is…

Michael in MI on December 6, 2008 at 3:23 PM

Ayers hasn’t changed. All he has done is change tactics. Instead of promoting physical violence against America, he now attempts to brainwash the young via his position as an educator.

It’s all on his website. He doesn’t hide it. In Venezuala in 2006, he denounces capitalism and Western education. He champions Chavez and hails Venezuala as the prime example of how to defeat capitalism and, in not so many word, America herself.

He is a jerk who helped kill cops and now uses cops to protect himself.

In other words, he is a coward!

TexasDude on December 6, 2008 at 3:25 PM

Also, contrary to Obama, Ayers considers Obama friends. Even Chicago Mayor Daley calles them friends.

TexasDude on December 6, 2008 at 3:27 PM

Allah, you’re awesome, dude. Great post.

I have nothing against Ed Morrissey personally, but as a blogger, Allah is major league, while Morissey is bush league. Where Allah is Rush Limbaugh (sharp, witty, coldly logical), Morissey is Sean Hannity (entirely predictable, irritatingly optimistic, nauseatingly petty).

No, I’m not trying to suck up. I am, however, skipping over Ed’s posts more and more often. I prefer Allah’s quality over Ed’s quantity.

Splashman on December 6, 2008 at 3:27 PM

Good lord, this guy is getting what spoiled, addled brats want – attention.

“Oooo, look at me, I was a hippie protester in the 60’s, I was so cool back then . . . ”

Don’t care, don’t want to hear about it.

Geriatric hippies suck even more than they did in the 60s.

NoDonkey on December 6, 2008 at 3:28 PM

Grow Fins on December 6, 2008 at 3:23 PM

Actualy, yes, it was discussed, according to an undercover eye witness, in meetings where they talked about the “aftermath” of their revolution.

The witness was on Fox multiple times during the election cycle…

Romeo13 on December 6, 2008 at 3:28 PM

helped kill cops

How many did he help kill, TexasDude?

Grow Fins on December 6, 2008 at 3:28 PM

The witness was on Fox multiple times during the election cycle…

Well, that settles it then. Fox….

Grow Fins on December 6, 2008 at 3:29 PM

Good lord, this guy is getting what spoiled, addled brats want – attention.

..and all of it, apparently, courtesy of the right blogosphere. Good work guys.

Grow Fins on December 6, 2008 at 3:30 PM

I am, however, skipping over Ed’s posts more and more often. I prefer Allah’s quality over Ed’s quantity.

Splashman on December 6, 2008 at 3:27 PM

While I liked this post and most of AllahPundit’s work, I also think Ed Morrissey does a good job too. I thought his earlier post on Obama’s New Deal nonsense was pretty good and informative.

I like the diversity of perspectives and writing styles.

For what it’s worth…

Michael in MI on December 6, 2008 at 3:31 PM

What makes this so unbelievable is how many people have refused to believe he ever did anything wrong and if he did there was no connection to Obama at all.

http://sarah-palin-2008.blogspot.com/search?q=ayers

History Chaser on December 6, 2008 at 3:32 PM

While I liked this post

…even the lie about genocide based on the unattributed ramblings of some “undercover agent” lifted from a 26-year old documentary by two UFO investigators?

Grow Fins on December 6, 2008 at 3:33 PM

Way to deflate, Ayers!
Just another terrorist attention whore!

christene on December 6, 2008 at 3:35 PM

Ah, the spin of a “self-righteous-rectal-part-of-the-anatomy”…. Even though people were hurt and killed it doesn’t look like vandalism to a normal person….

DL13 on December 6, 2008 at 3:36 PM

http://newzeal.blogspot.com/2008/12/obama-file-55-former-terrorists-discuss.html
Poster Buy Danish put this up earlier on another thread. May be appropriate here as well. Apparently Ayers’s buddies think Lenin would be proud of Obama.

a capella on December 6, 2008 at 3:37 PM

Grow Fins on December 6, 2008 at 3:33 PM

Uh… witness was on Fox news multiple times during the election cycle…

but don’t let facts get in the way of your dismisive attitude…

Romeo13 on December 6, 2008 at 3:38 PM

Grow Fins on December 6, 2008 at 3:33 PM

I think it’s basically understood that any communist organization has genocide/purges/”a lot of people dying” as part of its game plan once it is in power.

Or at least that’s how its worked 100% of the time so far.

darclon on December 6, 2008 at 3:39 PM

..and all of it, apparently, courtesy of the right blogosphere. Good work guys.

Grow Fins on December 6, 2008 at 3:30 PM

Thank you. It’s nice to be appreciated.

a capella on December 6, 2008 at 3:39 PM

Ayers you’re a filthy, lying POS and you always have been. We know what you are and what you did. You aren’t fooling anybody with your pathetic rationalizations — and outright lies — except the idiots who want to be fooled (i.e. Obama voters) — and they’re beyond help anyway.

AZCoyote on December 6, 2008 at 3:39 PM

Read the whole thing, though.

Sorry, Allah, I just can’t. I’m having such a nice day I don’t want to screw it up.

Bob's Kid on December 6, 2008 at 3:39 PM

I think it’s basically understood that any communist organization has genocide/purges/”a lot of people dying” as part of its game plan once it is in power.

There is no evidence–zero, zip, zilch, nada–that Ayers ever advocated genocide (nor did any of his chums in the WU). If this guy is as reprehensible as you claim, why lie about him?

Grow Fins on December 6, 2008 at 3:42 PM

Uh… witness was on Fox news multiple times during the election cycle…

but don’t let facts get in the way of your dismisive attitude…

Facts, facts, wherefore art thy facts, Romeo? Some moustachio’d douchebag on Fox doesn’t cut it in the “facts” department.

Grow Fins on December 6, 2008 at 3:44 PM

Grow Fins on December 6, 2008 at 3:42 PM

If UFO chasers are such poor sources of info, what’s your opinion of Dennis Kucinich?

Is he nothing but a liar?

darclon on December 6, 2008 at 3:46 PM

There is no evidence–zero, zip, zilch, nada–that Ayers ever advocated genocide (nor did any of his chums in the WU). If this guy is as reprehensible as you claim, why lie about him?

Grow Fins on December 6, 2008 at 3:42 PM

So, eyewitness testimony is not evidence anymore???

Wow… color me interested in your legal opinions…. not.

Romeo13 on December 6, 2008 at 3:47 PM

Hopefully someone will now sue the bastard. Maybe the FBI tapes are allowable in civil court.

davod on December 6, 2008 at 3:49 PM

Romeo13 on December 6, 2008 at 3:47 PM

Eyewitness testimony from an undercover COP, no less. Obviously, he’s lying. He’s part of THE SYSTEM.

jimmy the notable on December 6, 2008 at 3:49 PM

We’ve got to lure this guy to Vegas then get him on charges of kidnapping and brandishing a gun…

Here’s the video I made with Nose On Your Face, about the time Ayers & friends planned to kill hundreds of young soldiers and their dates:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TfF15cUc9AM

fivefeetoffury on December 6, 2008 at 3:52 PM

Facts, facts, wherefore art thy facts, Romeo? Some moustachio’d douchebag on Fox doesn’t cut it in the “facts” department.

Grow Fins on December 6, 2008 at 3:44 PM

From Ayers’ OWN F’ING BOOK:

The only path to the final defeat of imperialism and the building of socialism is revolutionary war.

We need a revolutionary communist party in order to lead the struggle, give coherence and direction to the fight, seize power and build the new society.

If you think he intended to overthrow the government and instill a Communist party without mass killing, you are ignorant to every such revolution in the history of the planet.

jimmy the notable on December 6, 2008 at 3:55 PM

Facts, facts, wherefore art thy facts, Romeo? Some moustachio’d douchebag on Fox doesn’t cut it in the “facts” department.

Grow Fins on December 6, 2008 at 3:44 PM

Hey fish turd,
You are a commie sympathizing POS and I wish a slow agonizing demise to you and your kind!!!

thomasaur on December 6, 2008 at 3:56 PM

Facts, facts, wherefore art thy facts, Romeo? Some moustachio’d douchebag on Fox doesn’t cut it in the “facts” department.

Grow Fins on December 6, 2008 at 3:44 PM

You prefer the spin on CNN? Maybe the out right lies on msnbc? Do you have facts/proof that Fox News doesn’t cut it in the “Facts” department?

christene on December 6, 2008 at 3:56 PM

I hate to sound as if I’m a big believer in conspiracy theories, but I’m starting to think there’s an agenda behind the recent “rehabilitation” of scumbag supreme Bomber Billy.

Seems likely we’re going to be hearing a lot more from him, via some kind of involvement in Osama Obama’s administration.

They NYT wouldn’t be puffing Ayers if it didn’t match the purposes they have tried to achieve through leaking classified documents, outing covert operatives and generally acting like traitors.

My prediction: Ayers will be visiting his ol’ buddyroo at the White House soon.

MrScribbler on December 6, 2008 at 3:57 PM

I see Grow Fins has crawled out from under her rock.

Just swell.

And arguing that a proponent of a communist takeover of the US government couldn’t really have advocated mass murder.

Of course not. There’s just no history of communist revolutionaries engaging in such mass slaughter.

SteveMG on December 6, 2008 at 4:00 PM

Billy Ayers could have remained quiet since the election and hoped to fade back into the corn. But no, here he is trying to defend his legacy in public. Billy is upset. I’m sure he is losing sleep over all the negative karma beamed his way. It would be nice to know if there are sensitive digestive tracts in the Ayers blood line. May be Billy hasn’t had a successful movement in a month and is backed up with bowel toads. At any rate Billy is on edge, we need to keep him there and not let him and his good skank feel quite comfortable ever again. Nervous enough to go in hiding from the man on the street.

BL@KBIRD on December 6, 2008 at 4:01 PM

My prediction: Ayers will be visiting his ol’ buddyroo at the White House soon.

MrScribbler on December 6, 2008 at 3:57 PM

I think that we can count on it. They’ll scrub his ass in Oxy-Clean and call anyone who mentions this pricks past some kind of prof. a-hole truther.

thomasaur on December 6, 2008 at 4:03 PM

Ayers is trash. The people trying to rehabilitate him are also trash (yes, that includes Thomas Frank).

Tabris on December 6, 2008 at 4:04 PM

A casual review of the evidence shows that Ayers is a bald-faced liar. Worse than that, a “respectable” newspaper gives him a chance to rationalize his horrific acts. A few weeks ago, I did a blog piece on the nature of evil as it relates to men like Ayers, which quotes extensively from M Scott Peck’s “People of the Lie.” It can be found here.

The idea that he never “hurt or killed anyone” is disingenuous to say the least. No one could set off bombs at either the US Capitol or the Pentagon, on the premise that they were “empty.” Besides, even attempted murder is still a crime, even when the perpetrator misses the target.

And these are the kind of people that get our attention. The bailout crisis is the least of our worries.

manwithblackhat on December 6, 2008 at 4:06 PM

I like the diversity of perspectives and writing styles.

For what it’s worth…

Michael in MI on December 6, 2008 at 3:31 PM

Fair enough. I’m just expressing my general opinion, not condemning 100% of Morissey’s posts nor canonizing 100% of Allah’s posts.

Splashman on December 6, 2008 at 4:06 PM

Some Ayers quotes;

1) Everything was absolutely ideal on the day I bombed the Pentagon.

2) I don’t regret setting bombs. I feel we didn’t do enough

3) Kill all the rich people. Break up their cars and apartments. Bring the revolution home, kill your parents, that’s where it’s really at.

4) Innocent people have to die in a revolution [when asked about his wife murdering a police officer].

Ironically, if his father hadn’t bought his freedom, Ayers might still be in jail and his protegee “community organizing” not president-elect.

18-1 on December 6, 2008 at 4:07 PM

Fins is female? I’d pictured a pimply faced fat fuk who once was student council vice president at his middle school.

So, the same thing with boobs I guess.

BL@KBIRD on December 6, 2008 at 4:07 PM

MrScribbler on December 6, 2008 at 3:57 PM

Ayers, Head of Department of Education?

Romeo13 on December 6, 2008 at 4:07 PM

Oh, and Grow Fins, you’re an idiot.

manwithblackhat on December 6, 2008 at 4:08 PM

fivefeetoffury on December 6, 2008 at 3:52 PM

Yo, K.S., good to see you in circulation here.

manwithblackhat on December 6, 2008 at 4:09 PM

Ayers is trash. The people trying to rehabilitate him are also trash (yes, that includes Thomas Frank).

Tabris on December 6, 2008 at 4:04 PM

This rotten scumbag is a traitor and anyone that associates with him is no better. That includes the empty suit that will allow him into the White House. Anyone who tries to present him in a positive light should be treated as a treasonous pig also.

thomasaur on December 6, 2008 at 4:10 PM

The only real difference between McVeigh and Ayers is competence in bomb making…

18-1 on December 6, 2008 at 4:10 PM

The only real difference between McVeigh and Ayers is competence in bomb making…

And the admissibility of evidence in court.

Spirit of 1776 on December 6, 2008 at 4:11 PM

One must keep in mind that Bill Ayers was the wimp of the Weather Underground. He had others do the dirty work; Ayers hid in the background.

Weather Underground founding member and wife of Bill Ayers, Bernardine Dohrn was the minds and muscle of the Weather Underground. She is the one that the press should be talking to regarding to this subject and Obama. (Note not one reference to her in this piece by Ayers.)

It was Dohrn, with her faction of the Weather Underground, traveled to Cuba and met with representatives of the North Vietnamese and Cuban governments

Dohrn did do jail time for her Weather Underground activities – although not enough time.

Dohrn was the one that had the job in the Chicago law firm when Michelle worked there and Barrack Obama interned. How did Dohrn help Obama in their early days?

And a note to Bill Ayers about people being killed in the Weather Underground bombing attempts. Guess he forgot this: In March 6, 1970 Greenwich Village townhouse explosion, in which three members of the group were killed as a bomb was being constructed.


People need to move past attention-seeking, rich boy Ayers and start asking questions of Dohrn. Ayers talks and seeks attention, Dohrn does the real “underground” work.

albill on December 6, 2008 at 4:13 PM

I think this is a pathetic ploy to get readers to the NYT.

PattyJ on December 6, 2008 at 4:13 PM

Oh, and Grow Fins, you’re an idiot.

She’s incapable (or unwilling) of making a good faith argument with people who have views that are different from her’s.

So she comes here to stick her tongue out at everyone and then congratulate herself for her provocativeness.

Provocativeness. Euphemism for being a jerk.

SteveMG on December 6, 2008 at 4:14 PM

Yep, and I have no doubt that if John McCain had a long standing working and personal relationship and history with an unrepentant clansman,
Michael in MI on December 6, 2008 at 3:08 PM

But he does. He’s worked hand in glove with one since 1986.

Oldnuke on December 6, 2008 at 4:14 PM

The left has to rehabilitate this guy because he’s the penultimate example of how their “approach” to terroism works. After all, Ayers was really just a product of that crazy war in Vietnam which needed to be opposed. Note that escalation is justified when we don’t first see the incredible truth of their way of thinking.

It wasn’t bombs, it was just getting louder.

TexasDan on December 6, 2008 at 4:15 PM

We also can’t forget his wife’s ‘fork sign’, when learning about Manson’s killing Sharon Tate (who was pregnant) and sticking a fork in her dead body while they all enjoyed dinner. Yeah, cool baby.

What is more disgusting if possible, are the seventeen pages of comments (which the NYSlimes has closed) ninety percent of which gave adoring kisses to Ayers. They should all rot in hell with him.
As for no killings or intended deaths, tell that to the Brinks guards who were killed around 1982 by WU members.
Or how do you square putting nails and staples=antipersonnel weapons, not anti structure weapons, in bombs?
The fact that the NYSlimes would accept this psychopathic liar’s OPEd but refuse the OpEd of a warhero, Sen. McCain, leads me to wish that it vanishes from the face of the earth pronto, and that its stock achieve by Christmas the value of soiled toilet paper.

eaglewingz08 on December 6, 2008 at 4:15 PM

It’s fascinating how every two-bit punk Marxist thug can mouth the words “I’m against racism and poverty and social injustice” and the Left (broad brush strokes) will roll over and forgive you.

Hell, forgive you? They’ll give you tenure and hundreds of thousands each year for your efforts.

And space on the op-ed pages of the NY Times.

SteveMG on December 6, 2008 at 4:21 PM

Exit question: Do grandiose fantasies involving extermination camps qualify as “extreme vandalism” or is that more like “super extreme vandalism”?

More like “double secret probation.”

Clueless, remorseless, and ignorant is no way to go through life, son.

Mallard T. Drake on December 6, 2008 at 4:23 PM

Ported in from the headlines story:

FBI agent Larry Grathwohl transcript talking about his conversation with William Ayers and friends about what to do after they take over the US Gov. back in the 70’s…
so he wasn’t engaged in a campaign to kill or injure anyone? so he values every human life? Really?

I bought up the subject of what’s going to happen after we take over the government. We, we become responsible, then, for administrating, you know, 250 million people.

And there was no answers. No one had given any thought to economics; how are you going to clothe and feed these people.

The only thing that I could get, was that they expected that the Cubans and the North Vietnamese and Chinese and the Russians would all want to occupy different portions of the United States.

They also believed that their immediate responsibility would be to protect against what they called the counter-revolution. And they felt that this counter-revolution could best be guarded against by creating and establishing re-education centers in the southwest, where we would take all the people who needed to be re-educated into the new way of thinking and teach them… how things were going to be.

I asked, well, what’s going to happen to those people that we can’t re-educate; that are die-hard capitalists. And the reply was that they’d have to be eliminated. And when I pursued this further, they estimated that they would have to eliminate 25 million people in these re-education centers. And when I say eliminate, I mean kill. 25 million people.
I want you to imagine sitting in a room with 25 people, most of which have graduate degrees from Columbia and other well known educational centers, and hear them figuring out the logistics for the elimination of 25 million people.
And they were dead serious.”

katy on December 6, 2008 at 12:21 AM

There is no evidence–zero, zip, zilch, nada–that Ayers ever advocated genocide (nor did any of his chums in the WU). If this guy is as reprehensible as you claim, why lie about him?

Grow Fins on December 6, 2008 at 3:42 PM

Why do we have to keep doing your homework for you?

Mallard T. Drake on December 6, 2008 at 4:30 PM

Grow Fins

I’ll grow fins if you grow a brain. You are arguing in bad faith on the cop killer issue. Yeah, Bill Ayers didn’t personally strangle the cops with his bare hands and get caught on video, but the organization that Ayers founded for the purpose of “bringing the revolution home” killed them, at least 3 of them in addition to a security guard, and 3 of the Underground’s own members. The way criminal conspiracies work is that Ayers is therefore guilty even if he never was convicted of it.

Don’t believe me? Maybe you’ll believe The New York Times:

Most of the bombs the Weathermen were blamed for had been placed to do only property damage, a fact Mr. Ayers emphasizes in his memoir. But a 1970 pipe bomb in San Francisco attributed to the group killed one police officer and severely hurt another. An accidental 1970 explosion in a Greenwich Village town house basement killed three radicals; survivors later said they had been making nail bombs to detonate at a military dance at Fort Dix in New Jersey. And in 1981, in an armed robbery of a Brinks armored truck in Nanuet, N.Y., that involved Weather Underground members including Kathy Boudin and David Gilbert, two police officers and a Brinks guard were killed.

That wasn’t from Hannity or Coast-to-Coast — that was from the New … York … Times. The cop who died in 1970 was police Sergeant Brian McDonnell. Everyone knows the Weather Underground were the perps, but they didn’t really want to claim credit for it because they actually killed a cop, so it goes into the “unsolved” file along with who killed Nicole Brown Simpson. It’s too bad OJs going to jail because maybe he could have helped to solve the mystery of which out of the set of exactly one organization that bombed police headquarters all over the country in 1970 was responsible for the bomb in police headquarters that killed Brian McDonnell. Even if you discount the death of McDonnell, it means that it’s a lock that the Weather Underground killed at least 2 cops plus a security guard, not that that would mean anything to you.

The Weather Underground were most definitely cop-killers, bank robbers, and criminal lunatics and Ayers was the proud pappy. And you can say you read it in the New York Times.

shazbat on December 6, 2008 at 4:33 PM

Anyone that believes this terrorist thug deserves Obama and all else that the enlightened voters have thrust upon us.

rplat on December 6, 2008 at 4:36 PM

shazbat on December 6, 2008 at 4:33 PM

NANU-NANU

thomasaur on December 6, 2008 at 4:37 PM

They were the ones who reported on 9/11 that he wished he’d set more bombs

The guy is reprehensible of course, but the fact that you’re still repeating this is kind of weird. He has clarified numerous times that he meant he wished he had done more to stop the war. He was not saying he’d wished he had bombed more.

Regardless, this guy just needs to get out of the news. He doesn’t have a good reputation to reinstate in the first place.

crr6 on December 6, 2008 at 4:40 PM

He has clarified numerous times that he meant he wished he had done more to stop the war. He was not saying he’d wished he had bombed more.

Clarified? You mean re-stated. And it’s just not possible he’s being dishonest?

First, he didn’t want to “stop the war.” He wanted the US to stop being involved in the war and wanted the communists to win. The Soviets and North Vietnamese continued to wage war against the South after we left.

He supported those military actions, i.e, war.

Second, he was (and still is) a revolutionary Marxist who wanted to overthrow the government of the US and replace it with a Marxist regime. That was the goal of the Weathermen. They weren’t just opposed to the war.

Exactly what actions do you think he meant to stop the war? Teach ins? Bake sales for the Vietcong?

Again, he wanted to overthrow the government. You don’t do that peacefully. You do that using force.

SteveMG on December 6, 2008 at 4:49 PM

Peaceful protests had failed to stop the war. So we issued a screaming response. But it was not terrorism; we were not engaged in a campaign to kill and injure people indiscriminately, spreading fear and suffering for political ends…

He’s very careful with his words. The bombs were just noise in his estimation. A “screaming response.” By his own admission, not a peaceful protest, either. What is something that isn’t peaceful? Could be violent. What is something that isn’t indiscriminate? Could be targeted. To say that he wasn’t spreading fear for political ends is just a lie. There’s no way he could ever have been sure that a bomb wouldn’t kill or injure someone. He took that risk, but now he doesn’t want to take accountability.

I’d like to nominate Bill Ayers for the next annual biggest douche in the universe awards.

RightOFLeft on December 6, 2008 at 4:53 PM

Clarified? You mean re-stated. And it’s just not possible he’s being dishonest?

First, he didn’t want to “stop the war.” He wanted the US to stop being involved in the war and wanted the communists to win. The Soviets and North Vietnamese continued to wage war against the South after we left.

He supported those military actions, i.e, war.

Second, he was (and still is) a revolutionary Marxist who wanted to overthrow the government of the US and replace it with a Marxist regime. That was the goal of the Weathermen. They weren’t just opposed to the war.

Exactly what actions do you think he meant to stop the war? Teach ins? Bake sales for the Vietcong?

Again, he wanted to overthrow the government. You don’t do that peacefully. You do that using force.

SteveMG on December 6, 2008 at 4:49 PM

If he’s such a radical unrepentant terrorist murderer Marxist then why bother to “clarify” that you didn’t mean you wished you had bombed more? Why not say “yeah of course I meant that.” Lots of people tried to stop the war in ways that didn’t involve bombing the Pentagon. Perhaps he referred to those ways.

Whatever it’s not my job to defend the guy, he’s an idiot. I’m just saying there’s lots of reasons to hate the guy, no need to stretch the truth and be dishonest about it.

crr6 on December 6, 2008 at 4:54 PM

You don’t do that peacefully. You do that using force.

SteveMG on December 6, 2008 at 4:49 PM

Until this election and with the help of the nyt and their ilk.

thomasaur on December 6, 2008 at 4:55 PM

Thanks for the attempts at verification. Unfortunately, not a single reputable historical source can support Grathwohl’s claim (which wasn’t abou any conversation he had with Ayers, but was instead various ‘unnamed’ students at Columbia U.). There is a lot of historical scholarship out there on the New Left and the WU; not a single historian has ever claimed the WU was interested in genocide. It’s BS, a fabrication, more red meat for the righteous-indignation circle-jerk that this thread is designed to provoke.

The only source for the ‘25 million’ claim is Secret Agent Man Grathwohl’s interview in the documentary made by the UFO hunters.

Stick your tongues out all you want but facts is facts, ma’am

Grow Fins on December 6, 2008 at 4:58 PM

…oh, and the only people remotely interested in Ayers past are a few sad sack academics and you lot.

Grow Fins on December 6, 2008 at 4:59 PM

I caught him on NPR. He sounded like a liar trying very hard to convince himself that his lies were true. His primary “weapons” in this seemed to be ones we’ve grown all too use to: parsing and moral relativism. “We never killed anyone” depends on narrow definitions of “we” and “killed.” He claimed that the New York Times lied repeatedly about his organizations activities. He often evoked My Lai as being the type of thing he was “fighting” against. He also claimed that he thought of enlisting and going to war himself before he was radicalized; one can’t help but wonder if My Lai would have been the perfect opportunity for him to show his true colors in that scenario.

Still, we shouldn’t “credit” Ayers with deaths he wasn’t responsible for. The one actual non-member death mentioned occurred 5 years after his organization folded and a year after he turned himself in. Others seem to be fanciful speculation. No, the only deaths it would be right to put on Ayers (as far as we know – McDonnell’s wasn’t really solved and I’d believe it either way, though “everybody knows” isn’t too convincing as evidence) would be those of his associates. He dances around those, which is fairly pathetic, considering one of them was his girlfriend. But then we know what type of female relationships Ayers sought, so maybe we shouldn’t be so surprised. Washed-up terrorist, indeed.

calbear on December 6, 2008 at 5:03 PM

The guy is reprehensible of course, but the fact that you’re still repeating this is kind of weird. He has clarified numerous times that he meant he wished he had done more to stop the war. He was not saying he’d wished he had bombed more.

crr6 on December 6, 2008 at 4:40 PM

Have you read zombie’s report on Ayer’s book Prarie Fire? This guy was not against the Vietnam War, he was against the Americans in the Vietnam War. He was supporting the Communists in the war. His whole “we were just like all the other naive hippies and were protesting the war” is a bunch of bunk to try to cover up his true anarchist, radical actions and views.

Also, as zombie clearly demonstrates in the essay, the war effort was not the only thing Ayers was involved in. Weather Underground was also for violent takeover of America and the installing of Communism. And they participated in that violent takeover.

Michael in MI on December 6, 2008 at 5:06 PM

master at excuse making?

Drunk Report on December 6, 2008 at 5:06 PM

I guess the four members of the Weather Underground members who blew themselves up would consider themselves “vandalized.”

Mojave Mark on December 6, 2008 at 5:06 PM

Grow Fins on December 6, 2008 at 4:59 PM

You can’t see the forest because you’re one of the f##king trees.

thomasaur on December 6, 2008 at 5:07 PM

If he’s such a radical unrepentant terrorist murderer Marxist then why bother to “clarify” that you didn’t mean you wished you had bombed more? Why not say “yeah of course I meant that.”

Ayer’s is a disingenuous Marxist who is now trying to use non-violent means to achieve his ridiculous goals. He knows that if he admits that he wanted to blow more things up that it could damage his academic career. Instead of blowing the system up from outside, many on the left who were involved in the radical movement moved inside the system to, a la Gramsci, effect change.

He’s manipulating gullible people.

Read the history of the Weathermen and what they wanted to do.

This person wants a revolutionary overthrow of the government and its replacement with a Marxist regime. That was his absurd goal 40 years ago; it’s his absurd goal today.

And people who want that type of change aren’t worried about breaking a few eggs. Or blowing them up either.

Yes, he’s a crank. Which is why, in part, our president shouldn’t have worked with him.

SteveMG on December 6, 2008 at 5:09 PM

…oh, and the only people remotely interested in Ayers past are a few sad sack academics and you lot.

Yeah, who cares about history. Or the issue of our young people being exposed to radical ideas that will poison their thinking.

Concepts like history, education, terrorism, the limits of civil disobedience, our past, learning about one of the more critical periods in our history…

Nah, why study those things. What can we learn?

What a dope.

SteveMG on December 6, 2008 at 5:12 PM

SteveMG on December 6, 2008 at 5:12 PM

Well said.

Les in NC on December 6, 2008 at 5:21 PM

“Our effectiveness can be — and still is being — debated.”

Only by dumb-ass jerkoffs like you.

Face it Mama’s boy, you were a failure then, you’re a failure now. Get over it.

Nuance.

GarandFan on December 6, 2008 at 5:26 PM

Grow Fins on December 6, 2008 at 4:59 PM

Bernardine, is that you?

Good lord, it’s one thing to have beliefs that run counter to those of decent human beings, but displaying such gross stupidity is simply astonishing.

I suppose you think no one cares about Charlie Manson any longer, just because he’s stashed away behind bars….

MrScribbler on December 6, 2008 at 5:26 PM

COMPLETELY BEYOND Contempt!!

grtflmark on December 6, 2008 at 5:33 PM

Note that the “editor’s selection” of comments to the article are all supportive of Ayers.

Quisp on December 6, 2008 at 5:36 PM

Although this wasn’t an interview, do you notice when liberal are interviewed there is no such thing as a follow up or clarification of the outright lie that was just offered? Amazing.

Cindy Munford on December 6, 2008 at 5:36 PM

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