Ayers: It wasn’t terrorism, it was more like “extreme vandalism”

posted at 2:56 pm on December 6, 2008 by Allahpundit

Not the first time he’s tried to finesse the concept, although it may be the first time he’s done it in the pages of a paper whose own reporting contradicts him. Terrorists, it seems, kill people indiscriminately whereas the Weathermen never tried to kill anyone. Except cops. And soldiers.

Which, in fairness, is very discriminating indeed.

In 1970, I co-founded the Weather Underground, an organization that was created after an accidental explosion that claimed the lives of three of our comrades in Greenwich Village. The Weather Underground went on to take responsibility for placing several small bombs in empty offices — the ones at the Pentagon and the United States Capitol were the most notorious — as an illegal and unpopular war consumed the nation.

The Weather Underground crossed lines of legality, of propriety and perhaps even of common sense. Our effectiveness can be — and still is being — debated. We did carry out symbolic acts of extreme vandalism directed at monuments to war and racism, and the attacks on property, never on people, were meant to respect human life and convey outrage and determination to end the Vietnam war.

Peaceful protests had failed to stop the war. So we issued a screaming response. But it was not terrorism; we were not engaged in a campaign to kill and injure people indiscriminately, spreading fear and suffering for political ends…

I have regrets, of course — including mistakes of excess and failures of imagination, posturing and posing, inflated and heated rhetoric, blind sectarianism and a lot else. No one can reach my age with their eyes even partly open and not have hundreds of regrets. The responsibility for the risks we posed to others in some of our most extreme actions in those underground years never leaves my thoughts for long.

Question via Jules Crittenden: Why’d the NYT accept this piece when they know he’s lying? They were the ones who reported on 9/11 that he wished he’d set more bombs; they were the ones who reminded us a month before the election that the Weathermen did indeed have a body count. In fact, they were the ones who told us 30 years ago that the Underground had ties to Cuban officials, which would go a long way towards establishing those “political ends” to which Ayers refers. In case they weren’t already abundantly established.

Read the whole thing, though. My favorite part’s at the end, where he hints that bomb-setting radicals are really just another interest group to be listened to in the interest of diversity. Exit question: Do grandiose fantasies involving extermination camps qualify as “extreme vandalism” or is that more like “super extreme vandalism”?


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Facts, facts, wherefore art thy facts, Romeo?

Grow Fins on December 6, 2008 at 3:44 PM

Why are your facts? You do know that ‘wherefore’ means ‘why,’ don’t you?

James on December 6, 2008 at 5:36 PM

This is complete tripe, and it’s dependent on the willingness of the young troglodytes that eat up the Wizard of O’s every word. He’s using Mr. President-Elect in order to profit from the failed books he’s written.

This article is a complete and total lie. He omits the fact that they attempted to kill innocent members of a judge’s family inside their own home, all because the judge happened to be overseeing a case that dealt with some members of the Black Panthers. I doubt the Panthers would see themselves as just some misguided kids who were into rearranging furniture through the use of blast powder. The Weather Underground was just the white elitist offshoot of the Panthers.

Ayers is milking his fifteen minutes, and then he’ll fade into oblivion unless Obama makes the stupid mistake of putting him on some policy board. That would be an antithesis to the centrist trojan horse positions he’s taking now.

PeskyPurple on December 6, 2008 at 5:41 PM

“He wasn’t protesting the US engagement in the Vietnam War, he was waging war on the US. Just because he was inept”

It wasn’t his being “inept” that his bombings lacked huge body counts.

It was an FBI agent/informant that called and alerted to where the bombs were that accounts for the low body count.

DSchoen on December 6, 2008 at 5:42 PM

Dang, After WWII, they didn’t clone Hitler, they made clones of Joseph “Always tell the BIG lie” Goebbels.

I’ve said it elsewhere that

1. I think Ayers was a driving force behind obama.. Look at
a. The similarities in ayers writing style and obamas dreams
b. The similarities in the 1970 WU logo and the obama logo
c. All the connections between the two.

2. I think that there is a definite attempt to mainstream Ayers. He will be a part of the admin and various forces are trying to whitewash him. We will see and hear more and more of him incrementally. There would need to be directed outrage at any media that gives the turd a voice.

Once they have gotten us used to ayers, it won’t be a big deal when he visits obama or vice versa

OBAMA “I uhm er ahm need to ah talk with Uhm a Distinguised uhm acadd.aace er scholar on how to uhm er ah Reeducute americans.”

GEORGE STEPHANUPUASS: “You mean educate”

OBAMA “Yeah,yeah er thats right Educate the american people”

GEORGE STUFFANPUSS: “Well Mr. PResident it’s great to have had you grace us with your presence again”

bullseye on December 6, 2008 at 5:44 PM

For someone who says he regrets some of his actions, he sure seems reticent to reveal all that he and his terrorist group did.

I imagine some of that is his fear of being prosecuted.

And he’s a coward, that’s for sure.

SteveMG on December 6, 2008 at 5:45 PM

I’m sure the man Bill Ayers paralyzed has no hard feelings.

Hawkins1701 on December 6, 2008 at 6:06 PM

Well thanks Bill for splaining it to me…. scumbag.

Hog Wild on December 6, 2008 at 6:12 PM

I wonder how he feels about bombing abortion clinics?

JellyToast on December 6, 2008 at 6:19 PM

“Do grandiose fantasies involving extermination camps qualify as “extreme vandalism,” or is that more like “super extreme vandalism”?
Did the Weather Underground advocate genocide? I highly doubt it, Allah”

Irrelevant, the end result was the same; some 2 to 4 million people were “exterminated”. As a result of our pulling out of Vietnam.

DSchoen on December 6, 2008 at 6:49 PM

ter·ror·ism –The unlawful use or threatened use of force or violence by a person or an organized group against people or property with the intention of intimidating or coercing societies or governments, often for ideological or political reasons.
ter·ror·ist –One that engages in acts or an act of terrorism.

In 1970, I co-founded the Weather Underground, an organization that was created after an accidental explosion that claimed the lives of three of our comrades in Greenwich Village. The Weather Underground went on to take responsibility for placing several small bombs in empty offices.The Weather Underground crossed lines of legality, of propriety and perhaps even of common sense …We did carry out symbolic acts of extreme vandalism …directed at monuments …and the attacks on propertyPeaceful protests had failed to stop the war….The responsibility for the risks we posed to others in some of our most extreme actions….

Mr.Ayers according to all definitions what you did was terrorism and you sir are a terrorist. No matter how you try to nuance it a duck is a duck. My fondest prayer for you is that when you go to meet your maker you receive the same treatment as hitler and hussein received from Him.

canditaylor68 on December 6, 2008 at 6:59 PM

“We did carry out symbolic acts of extreme vandalism”

Dang, This is were my lack of a collage edumakation rears its ugly head.

How is a bomb, going boom, symbolic of anything?

“directed at monuments to war and racism, and the attacks on property, never on people”

Were these bombs highly engineered “shaped charges” contained in a material that disintegrates at the slightest pressure?
Like, lightly glued dust?

Did the WG rope off/cordon off the blast area to ensure that NO could possibly get within 2 feet of their bombs before they went boom?

“were meant to respect human life and convey outrage and determination to end the Vietnam war”

And the end of the Vietnam War lead directly to the mass murder, holocaust of some 2 to 4 million innocent non-combatant people.

This moron should do the world a favor and just off himself, take his wife when he goes.

He’s a Maoist, he knew what our leaving Vietnam would do.

DSchoen on December 6, 2008 at 7:01 PM

Too bad McCain missed the boat on the real story on this guy. He and Obama spent $150M in Chi Public Schools. They continue to be among the worst in the country.

So, Mr. Obama, you will be spending many Billions of dollars on the US schools…do you expect the same result?

Ayers appears to be just an older, grayer version of what he was 35 years ago. A spoiled/sociopathic kid from a rich/powerful family who wanted to do some damage as a way of making his mark (maybe against his parents).

Eventually, he will be consigned to the dustbin of history. Let’s hope he isn’t allowed to do too much more damage along the way.

r keller on December 6, 2008 at 7:12 PM

In 1970, I co-founded the Weather Underground, an organization that was created after an accidental explosion that claimed the lives of three of our comrades in Greenwich Village.

This is actually funny — he’s implying that the WU turned violent because the anti-personnel bomb they planned to dump at a dance at Fort Dix exploded and killed the bomb-makers?

And this little eunuch didn’t “co-found” anything; he latched on to the blood-thirsty ladies; first Oughton, who blowed up real good, and then the super beeyotch, Dohrn. Consult any book written about those days and he might get a few mentions, while pages and chapters are dedicated to Dohrn, the bloodthirsty, cold-blooded demonic witch of the unwashed.

I hope he sleeps in a separate bedroom, with the door locked. She’s getting up in age, and you never know when the psychosis will breach the damn of Hyde Park academic conventions. A vegan diet can only stem the tide for so long.

Sleep tight, Billy!

Nichevo on December 6, 2008 at 7:13 PM

From the Discover the Networks page on Ayers (the quotes from Prairie Fire are from zombietime, which was referenced above:

In 1974 Ayers co-authored –along with Dohrn, Jeff Jones, and Celia Sojourn — a book titled Prairie Fire. This book contained the following statements:

* “We are a guerrilla organization. We are communist women and men … deeply affected by the historic events of our time in the struggle against U.S. imperialism.”
* “Our intention is to disrupt the empire, to incapacitate it, to put pressure on the cracks, to make it hard to carry out its bloody functioning against the people of the world, to join the world struggle, to attack from the inside.”
* “The only path to the final defeat of imperialism and the building of socialism is revolutionary war.”
* “Revolutionary war will be complicated and protracted. It includes mass struggle and clandestine struggle, peaceful and violent, political and economic, cultural and military, where all forms are developed in harmony with the armed struggle.”
* “Without mass struggle there can be no revolution.
Without armed struggle there can be no victory.”
* “We need a revolutionary communist party in order to lead the struggle, give coherence and direction to the fight, seize power and build the new society.”
* “Our job is to tap the discontent seething in many sectors of the population, to find allies everywhere people are hungry or angry, to mobilize poor and working people against imperialism.”
* “Socialism is the total opposite of capitalism/imperialism. It is the rejection of empire and white supremacy. Socialism is the violent overthrow of the bourgeoisie, the establishment of the dictatorship of the proletariat, and the eradication of the social system based on profit.”

Zombie has a lot more and page scans to authenticate what’s reported.

INC on December 6, 2008 at 7:13 PM

Ayers’ book, Fugitive Days, from 2001, is much more recent. In it:

Ayers reflects on whether or not he might use bombs against the U.S. in the future. “I can’t imagine entirely dismissing the possibility,” he writes.

INC on December 6, 2008 at 7:18 PM

He’s the one who directed, ordered, Oughton to load the dance bombs with shrapnel to kill and maim. He, himself.

Guilty as hell.

SarahW on December 6, 2008 at 7:25 PM

It’s not like I murdered you, it’s sorta like the bomb went off and a bunch of stuff came flying out and hit you and you died. Totally harmless, eh? Put this idiot in the cell with O.J. and let them spend the rest of their days singing ebony and ivory together. Ayers=ButtMonkey.

GlocknRoll on December 6, 2008 at 7:27 PM

James on December 6, 2008 at 5:36 PM

SCORCH!

exlibris on December 6, 2008 at 7:32 PM

“helped kill cops

How many did he help kill, TexasDude?
Grow Fins on December 6”

On February 16, 1970, a bomb exploded at a San Francisco, California, Police Department substation, fatally wounding Sergeant Brian McDonnell. McDonnell died of his wounds two days later. A second officer, Robert Fogarty was partially blinded by the bomb’s shrapnel. Although the case has never officially been solved, members of the Weather Underground, including Bill Ayers and his wife, Bernardine Dohrn, were prime suspects.

Sergeant Brian McDonnell

On October 20, 1981, several members of the Weather Underground undertook the robbery of a bank to finance their terrorist activities. During the robbery the group murdered an armored car guard and two members of the Nyack, New York, Police Department – Officer Waverly Brown and Sergeant Edward O’Grady,. a Vietnam War veteran.

Officer Waverly Brown
Sergeant Edward O’Grady

In 1976, the FBI’s Chicago Field Office prepared a summary which described the activities of the Weather Underground Organization, also known as Weathermen. This organization described itself as a revolutionary organization of communist men and women.

The FBI’s analysis of its motivations, beliefs, and international travels are outlined in this summary. http://foia.fbi.gov/foiaindex/weather.htm

Grow Fins, anything else you want not to know?

DSchoen on December 6, 2008 at 7:34 PM

SarahW on December 6, 2008 at 7:25 PM

Speaking of which, David Horowitz interviewed Ayers in the early 90s:

…in a kindergarten classroom in uptown Manhattan where he was employed to shape the minds of inner city children. Dressed in bib overalls with golden curls rolling below his ears, Ayers reviewed his activities as a terrorist for my tape recorder. When he was done, he broke into a broad, Jack Horner grin and summed up his experience: “Guilty as hell. Free as a bird. America is a great country.”

INC on December 6, 2008 at 7:36 PM

I don’t remember if it was posted above, but here’s a link to that NYT September 11, 2001 article on Ayers:

No Regrets for a Love Of Explosives; In a Memoir of Sorts, a War Protester Talks of Life With the Weathermen

The lead sentence is the one mentioned above:

”I don’t regret setting bombs,” Bill Ayers said. ”I feel we didn’t do enough.”

Ayers obviously wants to define “truth” as he sees it, whether or not it corresponds to reality:

…But Mr. Ayers also seems to want to have it both ways, taking responsibility for daring acts in his youth, then deflecting it.

”Is this, then, the truth?,” he writes. ”Not exactly. Although it feels entirely honest to me.”

But why would someone want to read a memoir parts of which are admittedly not true? Mr. Ayers was asked.

”Obviously, the point is it’s a reflection on memory,” he answered. ”It’s true as I remember it.”

INC on December 6, 2008 at 7:39 PM

A picture of the aftermath of the “small bomb” at the Pentagon. Ayers and his prospective victims can be thankful that nobody was hurt.

A news timeline of Weatherman actions is here.

unclesmrgol on December 6, 2008 at 7:42 PM

Heh. If I bring a couple pipes of “extreme vandalism” to his house, how will he and the Law react? Now that he’s a mentor of our new President and all, he’s the “Establishment”, isn’t he? And thus, by his lights, a fair target for that kind of “vandalism”.

Not that I would do that. Just saying it, you know. And now that I’ve said it, I’m not leaving the farging State for the next four years.

But there it is.

jefferson101 on December 6, 2008 at 7:47 PM

jefferson101 on December 6, 2008 at 7:47 PM

Ha! He called the cops when FOX news followed him to his house!!

INC on December 6, 2008 at 7:54 PM

Ha! He called the cops when FOX news followed him to his house!!

INC on December 6, 2008 at 7:54 PM

So why do I feel that he’d have a negative response to some “creative Vandalism” at his home now that he’s a patron of the “Establishment”?

He can’t practice what he preaches, for sure.

jefferson101 on December 6, 2008 at 8:20 PM

To paraphrase Jim Jordan, who in the 1930′s, 40′s and 50′s played Fibber McGee on NBC Radio’s classic program Fibber McGee and Molly…

EXTREME VANDALISM MY CLAVICLE!

BobAnthony on December 6, 2008 at 8:30 PM

Grow Fins, anything else you want not to know?

DSchoen

Yes, I want to know how many cops Ayers helped kill. One “suspected” and one unproven doesn’t cut it. He wasn’t involved in the Brinks case. There’s a reason he’s not in jail.

Grow Fins on December 6, 2008 at 8:36 PM

There’s a reason he’s not in jail.

Grow Fins on December 6, 2008 at 8:36 PM

He’s not in jail due to procedural problems, not because they didn’t have a case against him.

Mallard T. Drake on December 6, 2008 at 8:48 PM

He’s not in jail because the prosecutor screwed up royally. He and his wife should ideally have had bullets put in their heads years ago.

Tabris on December 6, 2008 at 9:01 PM

Guys, Grow Fins isn’t interested in evidence.

Whatever question you answer will be responded with by another question. Or a dismissal of your answer.

It’s bad faith arguing. That is, asking questions that the person isn’t really interested in having answered. It’s just an attempt to obscure the issue.

Just ignore her.

SteveMG on December 6, 2008 at 9:07 PM

There was a technicality and that is why that sick SOB got off scott free. Just Us. Instead of Justice.

sheebe on December 6, 2008 at 9:28 PM

The newspaper that’s not even fit for fish wrap, much less print.

FlatFoot on December 6, 2008 at 9:58 PM

In that his organization’s net fatalities led to a positive impact on the criminal justice system, then, yes, Mr. Ayers is not a terrorist.

/sarc

thirtypundit on December 6, 2008 at 10:12 PM

Facts, facts, wherefore art thy facts, Romeo? Some moustachio’d douchebag on Fox doesn’t cut it in the “facts” department.

Grow Fins on December 6, 2008 at 3:44 PM

“douchebag” isn’t a term liberals generally use. You might want to calm down, take a trip to the convenience, and use some anti-bacterial on your fingers to get the stain of typeing that word off.

As for facts, axiom one of bomb construction is that a weapon capable of killing its wielder is certainly capable of killing its target, unless the wielder is God, as those poor Weatherpeople in the brownstone found out.

All those years with Bernadette have somewhat dulled Mr. Ayers’ memory. Given what he says now, how often does Bill Ayers thinks of Diana Oughton? Killed due to friendly fire, so to speak. Diana Oughton, Mr. Ayers, in case you are reading this. Diana, Diana, Diana. Is her memory gone yet? Think, Mr. Ayers, think, and remember your girlfriend, killed by your bomb.

unclesmrgol on December 6, 2008 at 10:30 PM

I hope the Marines strip search this loser every time he visits his buddy Lightworker in the White House.

Y-not on December 6, 2008 at 10:52 PM

He’s not in jail because the prosecutor screwed up royally. He and his wife should ideally have had bullets put in their heads years ago.

Tabris on December 6, 2008 at 9:01 PM

yup

joey24007 on December 6, 2008 at 11:09 PM

He’s not in jail because the prosecutor screwed up royally. He and his wife should ideally have had bullets put in their heads years ago.

Tabris on December 6, 2008 at 9:01 PM

Sorry to everyone who knows me here, but I’m going all Truthy on you, here. First, I fully agree with Tabris on the sentence – bullet in the forehead for treason and actively waging war against the government of the United States.

The penalty for his actions since our founding has always been the same – bullet in the forehead.

But to the first point – an unfortunate, overzealous law enforcement action that somehow results in an inability to prosecute a guy who has confessed to a myriad of federal crimes and spent years as a fugitive, and who just so happens to be the son of the multi-millionaire CEO of Commonwealth Edison, one of the most influential private citizens in the U.S.

I don’t think so. Like I said – sorry. But this is my conspiracy theory: Ayers not only has been rehabilitated in his public persona by a cabal of Chicago-Mob-Democrat-Leftists in city government and at the University of Illinois-Chicago, he was in fact shielded from prosecution by the same conspirators, at the behest of his scummy father.

I want to know where the money went.

Jaibones on December 6, 2008 at 11:53 PM

It is hilarious to see the pretzel logic that liberals will use to excuse their racism,bigotry,and acceptance of any actions no matter how vile, that advance their liberal ideology.

In the last few days I have seen liberals defend Obama attending a racist church for 20 years that teaches black separatist theology calling for the genocide of the white race by comparing it to the handful of Catholic priests that were condemned,arrested,and costing the church hundreds of millions of dollars.
The Catholic church does not teach or support pedophilia and these crimes were not known about by 99% of parishoners
and hierarchy.
But in the liberal mind this justifies Obama “knowingly”attending a church that promotes from the pulpit,in it’s literature,websites,and DVD’s, racism and bigotry.

Say that it is okay to rail and protest against Christians
against the legalization of gay marriage but give a pass to
the black,latino,and muslim community because they are not an important voting block all of a sudden.
Even though they spend hundreds of millions of dollars a year to get their votes.
No protesting or calling out Obama,Hillary,and Biden either,even though they are leaders of this nation and also
christians.
It’s the “other” christians that apparently are the enemy.

Now we are debating with super intelligent liberals about whether Ayers/Dohrn,people who helped bomb over 30 locations
including the pentagon,called for the overthrow of the US government,admitted Communist,Underground responsible for the deaths of police officers,think Manson was a tuned in dude,and feel they didn’t set off enough bombs,if they are really terrorst or just part of main stream America that committed a little “vandalism”.

Can these liberal idiots possibly move the bar any lower?
How pathetic do you have to be to sell yourself out this badly for political gain.

You would think that selling out their country and stabbing our Soldiers in the back by using the difficulties of the Iraq war they voted for in pursuit of political gain was low enough,but they keep digging further into the mud.

Baxter Greene on December 7, 2008 at 12:29 AM

Psychotic.

Black Adam on December 7, 2008 at 4:48 AM

Thanks for the link to the photo of the aftermath of the Pentagon bomb. Here’s how Ayers described it in Fugitive Days, the book he was plugging when 9/11 hit (h/t War on Terror News):

“Although the bomb that rocked the Pentagon was itsy-bitsy – weighing close to two pounds – it caused ‘tens of thousands of dollars’ of damage. ” Bill Ayers, Fugitive Days, pg. 261

Where was that bomb planted? In a women’s restroom.

Yeah, Bill, you li’l scamp, I’m like you. Whenever I want to make sure nobody gets hurt, I put a bomb where nobody would expect one to be, in a location where nobody’s guard is up, and in a room everyone HAS to enter sooner or later. It’s only fair.

L.N. Smithee on December 7, 2008 at 5:32 AM

Grow fins brains wrote:

There’s a reason he’s not in jail.

Yeah. His name is W. Mark Felt, aka “Deep Throat.” The evidence that could have put Ayers behind bars was illegally obtained by Felt, working for the FBI at the time.

Ayers has already acknowledged he was “guilty as sin.” Why can’t you?

L.N. Smithee on December 7, 2008 at 5:39 AM

Liberals are so good at assigning euphemisms.

T – how long until the NYT goes bust?

fireweednectar on December 7, 2008 at 7:26 AM

No wonder Ayers would support democrats, his mindset, humpty dumptyism, words mean only what Ayers intends them to mean at any given moment, ‘terrorist’, ‘extreme vandalism’ ‘murder’ ‘memory’ ‘truth’, all are verbal footballs with no real correspondence to reality. Here then is the sociopath exposed. What is worse is all the excusers and enablers in the commentariat of the NYSlimes Article. Ayers knows what he did and his attempts to minimize his murderous behavoir is understandable but those who comment and execuse and minimize or even celebrate, they should burn in hell with him. They can see the monster and choose to celebrate him.

eaglewingz08 on December 7, 2008 at 7:52 AM

What a waste of oxygen. Yeah, he’s not a Terrorist and Klan members were just linen models.

The NY times needs to be renamed Pravda West.

Has anyone else noticed that the Trolls are more rowdy lately? Is the Office of the President-Elect bankrolling them?

kingsjester on December 7, 2008 at 7:56 AM

“Why’d the NYT accept this piece when they know he’s lying?”

huh?

The better question is “Why’d they accept the first article when they knew he wasn’t lying?”

notagool on December 7, 2008 at 10:49 AM

Extreme vandalism…nice semantic whitewash. Like calling the holocaust a tragic accident…or better yet, Bill Ayers being beaten to death by one of his students would be horseplay taken too far. What a tool.

austinnelly on December 7, 2008 at 11:21 AM

Well the “Extreme Vandal” is coming to my school in the next few months (Florida State Univeristy) and the libs in the SGA used Michelle Malkin as there counter for inviting him to the school.

crabtree on December 7, 2008 at 11:54 AM

Well the “Extreme Vandal” is coming to my school in the next few months (Florida State Univeristy) and the libs in the SGA used Michelle Malkin as there counter for inviting him to the school.

crabtree on December 7, 2008 at 11:54 AM

That makes me want to puke.. I’ll bet it’s not just the SGA but a cadre of marxist profs behind inviting him.

bullseye on December 7, 2008 at 1:15 PM

It is not clear to me whether “extreme vandalism” includes fatalities. It seems he is making a distinction without a difference. Most of us associate vandalism with the destruction of things. Ayres “vandalism” was undoubtedly associated with the destruction of people.

Ayres’ other buddy, his non-Presidential buddy, Ted Gold, was found dead in the Greenwich Village bomb factor. His body was pierce by innumerable nails. It was a bad day at the factory. You see the bombs were manufactured wrapped in nails.

Nails, ballbearings, and the like are not that important to vandalism, but they are a great help in killing people.

I wonder if Ayres had tenure. He’s been so testy lately. Is someone attempting to vandalize his reputation?

Come to think of it, he’s doing a good job on himself.

Limpet6 on December 7, 2008 at 1:29 PM

I wonder if Ayres had tenure. He’s been so testy lately. Is someone attempting to vandalize his reputation?

Oh he has tenure. He’s not just a professor, he is a Distinguished Professor of Education.

It makes me sick.

Ellen on December 7, 2008 at 1:45 PM

Bill might have been naughty.

If he was indeed naughty, and he’s not saying he was, then he would deserve to be punished.

Since he hasn’t been punished, he must not have been naughty.

notagool on December 7, 2008 at 3:47 PM

I’d like to apply extreme pressure to Bill Ayers’s brain with a baseball bat, made of organic recycled wood , from a ecologically sustainable forest .

macncheez on December 7, 2008 at 4:13 PM

“Yes, I want to know how many cops Ayers helped kill. One “suspected” and one unproven doesn’t cut it. He wasn’t involved in the Brinks case. There’s a reason he’s not in jail.”

As a member of the WU, a founding member at that, he is as guilty as any WU members for whatever they do.

Did you read the files?
Did you read the testimony
Seriously are you an idiot.

DSchoen on December 7, 2008 at 6:06 PM

In 1970, I co-founded the Weather Underground, an organization that was created after an accidental explosion that claimed the lives of three of our comrades in Greenwich Village.

Okay, any terrorist who refers to his fellow terrorists as “comrades” loses all credibility in suggesting that the Weather Underground was nothing more than a book club run amok.

highhopes on December 7, 2008 at 9:26 PM

crabtree on December 7, 2008 at 11:54 AM

As a general statement, I think that college is the place and times for students to be exposed to all sorts of ideas. The problem with that statement is that colleges ARE NOT balanced in how they go about this. Not only do they get polarizing figures in the name of “balance” but the faculty is utterly unbalanced in their views and how they grade viewpoints that don’t conform to the socialist/secular humanist/liberal dogma of “educators.”

IMO, the way to deal with this situation is to constantly and vocally protest whenever one of these criminals gets invited to speak. The most effective voice, of course, is outraged alumni who make it clear that they will not contribute to the institution in protest of their guest list.

highhopes on December 7, 2008 at 9:33 PM

Whether Ayers was ever an advocate of genocide according to the “undercover FBI agent,” does not change who Ayers really is and what the Weather Underground did in the 70s.

I was sickened by Ayers and Dohrn when I read this story:

“The notion that somehow as a consequence of me knowing somebody who engaged in detestable acts 40 years ago, when I was eight years old, somehow reflects on me and my values, doesn’t make much sense, George.” Obama was indeed only eight in early 1970. I was only nine then, the year Ayers’s Weathermen tried to murder me.

In February 1970, my father, a New York State Supreme Court justice, was presiding over the trial of the so-called “Panther 21,” members of the Black Panther Party indicted in a plot to bomb New York landmarks and department stores. Early on the morning of February 21, as my family slept, three gasoline-filled firebombs exploded at our home on the northern tip of Manhattan, two at the front door and the third tucked neatly under the gas tank of the family car. (Today, of course, we’d call that a car bomb.) A neighbor heard the first two blasts and, with the remains of a snowman I had built a few days earlier, managed to douse the flames beneath the car. That was an act whose courage I fully appreciated only as an adult, an act that doubtless saved multiple lives that night.

I still recall, as though it were a dream, thinking that someone was lifting and dropping my bed as the explosions jolted me awake, and I remember my mother’s pulling me from the tangle of sheets and running to the kitchen where my father stood. Through the large windows overlooking the yard, all we could see was the bright glow of flames below. We didn’t leave our burning house for fear of who might be waiting outside. The same night, bombs were thrown at a police car in Manhattan and two military recruiting stations in Brooklyn. Sunlight, the next morning, revealed three sentences of blood-red graffiti on our sidewalk: FREE THE PANTHER 21; THE VIET CONG HAVE WON; KILL THE PIGS.

For the next 18 months, I went to school in an unmarked police car. My mother, a schoolteacher, had plainclothes detectives waiting in the faculty lounge all day. My brother saved a few bucks because he didn’t have to rent a limo for the senior prom: the NYPD did the driving. We all made the best of the odd new life that had been thrust upon us, but for years, the sound of a fire truck’s siren made my stomach knot and my heart race. In many ways, the enormity of the attempt to kill my entire family didn’t fully hit me until years later, when, a father myself, I was tucking my own nine-year-old John Murtagh into bed.

Though no one was ever caught or tried for the attempt on my family’s life, there was never any doubt who was behind it. Only a few weeks after the attack, the New York contingent of the Weathermen blew themselves up making more bombs in a Greenwich Village townhouse. The same cell had bombed my house, writes Ron Jacobs in The Way the Wind Blew: A History of the Weather Underground. And in late November that year, a letter to the Associated Press signed by Bernardine Dohrn, Ayers’s wife, promised more bombings.

As the association between Obama and Ayers came to light, it would have helped the senator a little if his friend had at least shown some remorse. But listen to Ayers interviewed in the New York Times on September 11, 2001, of all days: “I don’t regret setting bombs. I feel we didn’t do enough.” Translation: “We meant to kill that judge and his family, not just damage the porch.” When asked by the Times if he would do it all again, Ayers responded: “I don’t want to discount the possibility.”

That is terrorism. Ayers and Dohrn were terrorists then. Neither of them ever had the courage to face justice. They are despicable human beings, and they reflect poorly on our next President, in fact, on the whole country.

chunderroad on December 7, 2008 at 9:50 PM

Starting to wonder if we really won The Cold War…

SuperCool on December 8, 2008 at 5:03 AM

No bullets for Ayers. Don’t want to give the gun-control crowd more ammo (pun intended). What’s the effective range of a quality cross-bow? I know a compound bow is a more effective hunting tool, but crossbows are just so wicked!
Not advocating violence, don’t you know. Just speculating.

SKYFOX on December 8, 2008 at 5:31 AM

I got an idea!

How about someone go to Mr. Ayers house and perform some extreme vandalism on his pad?

Mercy4Me on December 8, 2008 at 8:12 AM

I didn’t read every post above, but want to make sure this was covered about Ayers:

‘Bill Ayers forced me to have sex’ with roommate

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.printable&pageId=77407

I’m sure NOW will be voicing its outrage anytime NOW. Not.

My Ayers bumper sticker

Let’s roll.

ex-Democrat on December 8, 2008 at 11:54 AM

It’s A simple Answer After All My Friends… Have any of you realzied the mansour, ayers, obama connection and have any of you ever thought of even soviet influences… We where warned years ago… The Time Has Come…
convatively
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uoeuh-EGj7s

convative on December 8, 2008 at 3:54 PM

Who says bad things don’t happen to bad people?
Case in point: John Jacobs and Terry Robbits, both members of the Weather Underground. Mr. Jacobs died of melanoma on the run after being charged for the “Days of Rage”, and Mr Robbins died in the townhouse explosion in Greenwich Village. “We’re against everything that’s ‘good and decent’ in honky America,” Jacobs said in his most oft-quoted statement. “We will burn and loot and destroy. We are the incubation of your mother’s nightmare.” Robbins: “The aggressiveness, seriousness, and toughness of militant struggle will attract vast numbers of working class youth.”

Rest in Peace, numbnuts.

bryan2369 on December 8, 2008 at 4:06 PM

the focus should be om Dorne more.

She is the real threat with the real history.

Ayers is just the numbnuts of the pair.

Sonosam on December 8, 2008 at 7:42 PM

From the NYT “reminder”

“He’s (Ayers) done a lot of good in this city and nationally,” Mayor Richard M. Daley said in an interview this week, explaining that he has long consulted Mr. Ayers on school issues.

Mr. Daley, whose father was Chicago’s mayor during the street violence accompanying the 1968 Democratic National Convention and the so-called Days of Rage the following year, said he saw the bombings of that time in the context of a polarized and turbulent era.

“This is 2008,” Mr. Daley said. “People make mistakes. You judge a person by his whole life.”

Interesting lets input another name, a Nobel literature laureate and see if this still works, K!

“winning makes you dumb. The victors think they don’t have to deal with the sins of the past.” Nobel literature laureate Gunter Grass who was the voice of Germany’s war generation.

Grass cranked out a series of brutal novels about the war and childhood in occupied Poland, beginning with his powerful 1959 novel The Tin Drum. Those unforgettable narratives, along with a good measure of his public hectoring and politicking.

In 1968, he claimed the U.S. was “continuing war crimes in Vietnam, which, as German war crimes, had been rightly condemned at the Nuremberg Tribunal, including by American judges.”

Grass, on 911: Certainly. Immediately after the terrible attack of September 11, I pointed out that the reason for this attack lies in the anger and hate of the socalled third world toward the abundance of the first world. So long as we do not root out the causes of this righteous anger, the terror will continue.

Nobel literature laureate Gunter Grass sounds like most of the extreme left here in the USA. I think one could easily draw parallels to Grass/Ayers with their views on the world.

Here’s another parallel, see Gunter Grass had always maintained he was a flakhelfer, a youth conscript forced to work anti-aircraft batteries. The alibi placed him right in the mainstream of his peers, who came to be called the flakhelfer generation — those who claimed they were unwilling participants in the war effort and especially its atrocities.

“winning makes you dumb. The victors think they don’t have to deal with the sins of the past.” Gunter Grass

The problem is Gunter Grass was not a flakhelfer, he was not conscript, or forced to work anti-aircraft batteries, Nope.

Gunter Grass was a volunteer, but not a flakhelfer , nope he was a full fledged member in good standing with the Waffen-SS.

Waffen-SS was a group of combat units composed of volunteer troops, with its members partially having strong personal commitments to Nazi ideology and also partially selected on a racial basis.

“winning makes you dumb. The victors think they don’t have to deal with the sins of the past.” Gunter Grass

Do we forgive a Waffen-SS murder because hey he’s been a good guy since the end of the war.
Yes? No?

Or as Mayor Daily said of Ayers “This is 2008,” Mr. Daley said. “People make mistakes. You judge a person by his whole life.”

“winning makes you dumb. The victors think they don’t have to deal with the sins of the past.” Gunter Grass Waffen-SS.

DSchoen on December 9, 2008 at 12:49 AM

“extreme vandalism”

Here’s an idea.

* Tie him to a chair,
* wearing some pink frilly pannies and one of those tshirts with breasts painted on it.
* As well as writing a little perferated line around his neck.
* Holding a sign that reads:
“WHERE DA’ JIHADI WOMENZ AT!?”
…and dump him in the middle of a nasty area in iraq.

We can call that an ‘extreme practical joke’

Handel on December 9, 2008 at 10:50 AM

Since Ayers and his wife did “extreme vandalism” against the U.S. Government and New York State and the American People I suggest that some old C.I.A. style “TERMINATION WITH EXTREME PREJUDICE” (aka hanging) be applied to them.
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I thought it was illegal (called TREASON) to commit acts of war against the U.S.A.–not to mention attempted (and maybe actual) premeditated first degree murder. Can’t charges still be brought against these turkeys?
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John Bibb

rocketman on December 9, 2008 at 11:50 AM

And since Al Queda targeted Americans specifically on 9/11, they are not terrorists, you see? Man, thinking like a liberal can be fun – none of that reality crap to limit my imagination!

Grafted on December 9, 2008 at 3:31 PM

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