Time to end the war on drugs?
posted at 12:20 pm on December 5, 2008 by Ed Morrissey
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Seventy-five years ago today, the nation amended the Constitution to end Prohibition after a disastrous experiment in banning alcohol. Ethan Nadelmann uses the event to ask Americans whether the time has come to end its decades-long experiment in banning other drugs and allow citizens to make their own decisions on intoxicants. The appearance of this column at the Wall Street Journal shows how mainstream it has become to question the war on drugs:
The Americans who voted in 1933 to repeal prohibition differed greatly in their reasons for overturning the system. But almost all agreed that the evils of failed suppression far outweighed the evils of alcohol consumption.
The change from just 15 years earlier, when most Americans saw alcohol as the root of the problem and voted to ban it, was dramatic. Prohibition’s failure to create an Alcohol Free Society sank in quickly. Booze flowed as readily as before, but now it was illicit, filling criminal coffers at taxpayer expense.
Some opponents of prohibition pointed to Al Capone and increasing crime, violence and corruption. Others were troubled by the labeling of tens of millions of Americans as criminals, overflowing prisons, and the consequent broadening of disrespect for the law. Americans were disquieted by dangerous expansions of federal police powers, encroachments on individual liberties, increasing government expenditure devoted to enforcing the prohibition laws, and the billions in forgone tax revenues. And still others were disturbed by the specter of so many citizens blinded, paralyzed and killed by poisonous moonshine and industrial alcohol.
Supporters of prohibition blamed the consumers, and some went so far as to argue that those who violated the laws deserved whatever ills befell them. But by 1933, most Americans blamed prohibition itself.
When repeal came, it was not just with the support of those with a taste for alcohol, but also those who disliked and even hated it but could no longer ignore the dreadful consequences of a failed prohibition. They saw what most Americans still fail to see today: That a failed drug prohibition can cause greater harm than the drug it was intended to banish.
Do most Americans fail to see that? I’m not sure, and the fact that the question has become mainstream speaks to a dawning realization of that reality. Thirty years ago, talk of legalization remained on the fringe of American politics, mostly among drug users (with obvious interests in that direction) and libertarians. Reason Magazine would have been the most mainstream publication in those years to even make the argument, and perhaps the Village Voice. Otherwise, the thought of legalizing recreational drugs was thought politically insane.
No one doubts the destructive nature of most of the substances banned now, except for marijuana, where serious debate exists. Cocaine and heroin are deeply and physically addictive and deadly, as are most controlled or banned substances. But should people be left to their own devices and government stay out of the way of their behavior, only intervening when their behavior affects others? Where would that line get drawn, anyway?
Clearly, what we have been doing hasn’t worked. At the margins, it impacts behavior, but overall, Americans still create a huge demand that gets fulfilled by criminal enterprises. That is no different than what Prohibition created, and the effects have been the same: rampant violence, large wealth transfers to organized crime, dilution of law-enforcement efforts, exploding prison populations, and so on.
One definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result. Under that definition, the American idea of a war on drugs is as politically insane as it gets. Succeeding administrations and Congresses led by both parties keep assuring us that they will turn the corner on the war on drugs, but nothing changes except for the names and the faces. We have enabled a powerful central government and organized crime to limit our freedoms in every direction as a result of this policy. We could at least roll back both by returning to the more rational policy on drugs that the US had before prohibition fever hit a century ago.
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The difference is that you don’t want them to lose these things, you want to take them away.
FloatingRock on December 5, 2008 at 4:04 PM
Squid Shark on December 5, 2008 at 3:59 PM
A person can be a prisoner of his mind. If you don’t see how drugs effects you, your family and the community there is no explaining it to you.
Drugs alter the mind, and you are no longer you. You are thereby a loser.
Conservative Voice on December 5, 2008 at 4:04 PM
Cindy McCain is a booze-lord
Squid Shark on December 5, 2008 at 4:04 PM
That one arguable, based on the way cigarettes have been treated. But, there are other methods of ingesting THC.
Esthier on December 5, 2008 at 4:05 PM
FloatingRock on December 5, 2008 at 4:01 PM
See, like I said, 9 times out of 10 it boils down to they want to remove the stigma of being a loser.
If it helps floating rock ( hmmm interesting name considering what we are debating here ) you are less of a loser than a stoner, but still a loser.
Conservative Voice on December 5, 2008 at 4:05 PM
Exactly. You may not like it, but we have the freedom in this country to live up to any amount of our potential, from all to none.
MadisonConservative on December 5, 2008 at 4:06 PM
Hundred of things alter your mind and affect your families and community in the way you mention.
mental illness
sex
booze
obesity
too much sugar
Squid Shark on December 5, 2008 at 4:07 PM
All of you are talk about executing drug dealers are seriously f’ed in the head, in a big way. It’s talk like this from the right that drives reasonably sane people to vote for Dems. Anyone advocating this type of nonsense is a far bigger loser than anyone who smokes a J.
BillyRayValentine on December 5, 2008 at 4:07 PM
Stop arguing with the Prohibitionists! To the one, they either have a financial interest or it’s some sort of religious deal – usually born from themselves or a family member who has no self-control — and resents those that do.
rock the casbah on December 5, 2008 at 4:08 PM
First straw men and not ad hominem want to go for logical fallacy and get the trifecta?
Squid Shark on December 5, 2008 at 4:08 PM
If the smokers in the bar or restaurant bother you, you ask them to stop. If they don’t, which they don’t have to, you can leave. If the business doesn’t like smokers, they can kick them out of their private establishment. Otherwise, take it up with the owners. They’ll do what they want.
MadisonConservative on December 5, 2008 at 4:08 PM
As a healthcare professional I can tell you that we pay a VERY large amount of our money taking care of the “effect” of alcohol. From liver disease to car accidents to child/wife/friend/stranger violence these things cost money. I remember being in the ICU at the local hospital and 6 of the 8 beds were occupied by alcohol related problems. Add heroin, marijuana and others to this list and our hospitals will be loaded. It is almost impossible to find that moment when self abuse through drugs becomes systemic to our society.
jawbone on December 5, 2008 at 4:09 PM
FloatingRock on December 5, 2008 at 4:04 PM
Kids should be removed from homes where the parents abuse drugs. Employers should fire people who abuse drugs. They should be viewed by the community as losers. ( Note the only government action was the removal of the kids ).
And it is my hope that the parents sober up and the kids are returned as soon as possible.
Conservative Voice on December 5, 2008 at 4:09 PM
This one’s new to me, and I don’t know if it’s all that convincing.
I mean, in my social group, some people are cool with smoking pot and don’t look down on it even if they don’t themselves smoke, but the people in my social group who look down on it wouldn’t be convinced that they were wrong even if it were legal.
Esthier on December 5, 2008 at 4:09 PM
Employers should have the right to fire people who abuse drugs, that should be the employers choice, not the governments.
Squid Shark on December 5, 2008 at 4:11 PM
Dear “Conservative Voice” & “MadisonConservative”:
Prohibition is not a conservative value.
REFERENCE: William F. Buckley, Jr.
rock the casbah on December 5, 2008 at 4:11 PM
Here’s how the black market works: A price is established sufficient to entice people into the game to establish a sufficient distribution network. If the government is successful in limiting supply, for example by arresting dealers, the price of the commodity increases until more dealers are enticed in to the game.
The only way a government can win a war against it’s own people is through adoption of a totalitarian regime. Otherwise, the free market will prevail. The most our government can hope to achieve is to increase the price of drugs, thus increasing incentive and competition, resulting in more unnecessary violence.
FloatingRock on December 5, 2008 at 4:12 PM
I was planning on bringing up the fact that Buckley supported legalization, but the last time I did, someone actually ended up saying Buckley didn’t represent conservatives.
MadisonConservative on December 5, 2008 at 4:13 PM
Dear rock the casbah:
Not wanting to pay (financially and otherwise) for the costs that result from mass drug use IS.
Dark-Star on December 5, 2008 at 4:14 PM
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH SNORT!
Squid Shark on December 5, 2008 at 4:14 PM
Squid Shark on December 5, 2008 at 4:11 PM
Where did I say the government had to force the employer to fire the employee?
Conservative Voice on December 5, 2008 at 4:15 PM
I suppose that’s why the term “neocon” is necessary.
justfinethanks on December 5, 2008 at 4:15 PM
You don’t have to convince me. I’m not a fan of smoking bans and in particular worried they’d affect my job when I was a waitress, though I do, partially, understand the “harm to others” argument.
Besides, the only smokers that bother me at bars are my own friends, who suddenly decide they have to chain smoke when there’s a beer in hand, and what’s worse is that they smoke at different times.
Esthier on December 5, 2008 at 4:15 PM
Employers will still not hire drug users, the Bar wil lstill kick out attorneys who abuse, loosers will use at the same level they do now.
I worked in HC for years before I entered my current field, I know what happens when kids OD on bad crack and laced weed too.
Squid Shark on December 5, 2008 at 4:16 PM
You also support executing drug lords. If something is illegal the govt is involved.
Squid Shark on December 5, 2008 at 4:17 PM
And yet, you can’t fire someone for being an alcoholic.
Esthier on December 5, 2008 at 4:18 PM
If they’re your friends, you rip the cigs out of their lips and douse them in their beers.
MadisonConservative on December 5, 2008 at 4:18 PM
Gee, now how did I know you couldn’t answer the question without getting emotional….
FloatingRock on December 5, 2008 at 4:18 PM
If it affects their work, you bet your ass you can.
Squid Shark on December 5, 2008 at 4:18 PM
He made Reagan possible. It would be difficult to claim Buckley’s views aren’t conservative without, as some have, creating a new set of criteria.
dedalus on December 5, 2008 at 4:20 PM
And if it doesn’t, they shouldn’t fire them.
If someone uses drugs and it affects their work, they can fire them. If it doesn’t, why should they be more punished than drinkers?
MadisonConservative on December 5, 2008 at 4:20 PM
Squid Shark on December 5, 2008 at 4:17 PM
I do support executing drug lords, because they are enemies of the people.
And while alive they still can manage the business.
Conservative Voice on December 5, 2008 at 4:21 PM
BTW, in the context of this thread, my handle is entirely appropriate.
Yours, however, is not.
FloatingRock on December 5, 2008 at 4:21 PM
That would be my point exactly.
Squid Shark on December 5, 2008 at 4:21 PM
Preaching to the choir. The thing is, open registration a few weeks ago let in some real gems. It’s been a long few weeks.
MadisonConservative on December 5, 2008 at 4:21 PM
Certainly crossed my mind a time or two, but they usually make up for it by buying a round or two.
Certainly, but you have to go through that standard of proof.
Esthier on December 5, 2008 at 4:22 PM
It is pretty easy to fire an “at will” employee. It is good to document cause, but otherwise call them into the office and say your fired. In this economy, better yet, describe it as a downsizing need.
dedalus on December 5, 2008 at 4:22 PM
Squid Shark on December 5, 2008 at 4:23 PM
The reason marijuana was banned was a movie called Reefer Madness that was shown to Congress to have the 1937 Marihuana Tax Act. passed. If you have not seen this before I encourage you to because it is too funny. I know a few people who smoke pot, but I have never seen them act even remotely to like they showed in this film. It was more like these people were on LSD or something.
JeffinSac on December 5, 2008 at 4:24 PM
FloatingRock on December 5, 2008 at 4:21 PM
Thats funny. I claim to be a conservative voice, there are 3 legs…peace through strength ( strong military ), social, and fiscal.
I lean Libertarian, except with drugs
Conservative Voice on December 5, 2008 at 4:24 PM
Let me clarify. By that I mean, you can’t fire someone just for showing up at work drunk, repeatedly.
Esthier on December 5, 2008 at 4:25 PM
And instant classic
Squid Shark on December 5, 2008 at 4:25 PM
POT TURNS KIDS INTO MURDERERS LOLZ
MadisonConservative on December 5, 2008 at 4:26 PM
|| I think people who lecture others about their life choices are losers. So there.
I SO agree. I am guessing the nanny-staters in these comments have undisclosed agendas — take the ‘drug counselor’ in this thread, for example. Where on EARTH would she get her funding were it not for the WOD?
Pathetic.
Im a 42 year old adult. If I want to smoke pot in MY house, that’s MY business. If I drive after smoking pot — that becomes yours.
Guess what? Laws against Driving under the influence are already enforced.
The people that are talking about kids (3-year-olds??! cmon, you can do better than that, right??), and slippery-slopes, are full of crap. Its not up the government to teach your children WHY they don’t want to do heroin, or surf porn sites all day, or anything else for that matter — its up to YOU. The same way you are supposed to be teaching them about OTHER things.
That youre a bunch of lazy parents expecting the government to do what you wont, is YOUR problem. Not mine.
your_worst_enemy on December 5, 2008 at 4:26 PM
If you want legalize drugs all I ask is that you eliminate all welfare programs. Because if you want to be a loser I ain’t paying for it. Most addicts and drug users are on some sort of gov. welfare. I am an addict who hasn’t used in over ten years and unless you have walked down that filthy road your opinion means nothing to me.
thomasaur on December 5, 2008 at 4:28 PM
From that noted hippy rabble rouser William F. Buckley:
http://www.nationalreview.com/buckley/buckley200406291207.asp
Django on December 5, 2008 at 4:29 PM
Squid Shark on December 5, 2008 at 4:23 PM
Actually I do agree with alcohol prohibition. It would of been nice to execute Mr Kennedy before his kids gained political power, no?
Cigarettes, I don’t smoke, but have no problem with people smoking. A chain smoker still has a brain, can’t say the same about a person who is a chain weed smoker.
Big pharm…hmmm, that is for medical purposes right? All these drugs are legal…yet there still seems to be a black market for narcotics. Big pharm is not the same as Big Heroin.
Conservative Voice on December 5, 2008 at 4:30 PM
Oh, and btw, I smoked pot, like a lot of people, in my senior year of high school. I also tried a fair amount of other substances in my 20’s. Like most people that quit, I STOPPED using all of those drugs, of my own accord– NOT because it was illegal, but because I WANTED to.
I quit drinking 10 years ago, also, despite it being legal.
Admittedly, Ive recently rediscovered how nice it is, so sit back on my $3000 leather couch, put my feet up on the coffee table, and smoke a joint. And you know what? Im not apologizing to anyone, for it. I’m an adult, and Im in MY house.
Are you able to follow that okay?
Put that in your pipe an smoke it.
your_worst_enemy on December 5, 2008 at 4:31 PM
LOL!
FloatingRock on December 5, 2008 at 4:32 PM
thomasaur on December 5, 2008 at 4:28 PM
well said, amen and amen.
Conservative Voice on December 5, 2008 at 4:32 PM
You’d actually be surprised.
Esthier on December 5, 2008 at 4:32 PM
Oh Bill…how we miss your laconic wisdom.
MadisonConservative on December 5, 2008 at 4:33 PM
To be honest, while I argue against the laws, you don’t impress anyone by flaunting the fact that you break them.
MadisonConservative on December 5, 2008 at 4:34 PM
your_worst_enemy on December 5, 2008 at 4:31 PM
I don’t care if you are a billionaire, when you abuse drugs you are a loser. If you smoke “casually” well then you are a casual loser.
Conservative Voice on December 5, 2008 at 4:34 PM
You equate use with abuse, and that is your problem in this discussion. You are not the arbiter of self-control and omnipotent of the lack of it everyone controls when using controlled substances.
MadisonConservative on December 5, 2008 at 4:36 PM
Esthier on December 5, 2008 at 4:32 PM
I am not sure I follow? That I would be surprised that the chain smoker still has the same brain when he smokes, or the dope head having the same brain while smoking?
Conservative Voice on December 5, 2008 at 4:37 PM
You are going to have to explain why being a loser should be illegal. Should the cops take me away if I play video games all day in my parent’s basement?
justfinethanks on December 5, 2008 at 4:39 PM
MadisonConservative on December 5, 2008 at 4:36 PM
Madison, a person is a loser to a degree by what actions and behaviors they engage in. A person is a winner to a degree by what actions and behaviors they engage in. If they are casually smoking a joint here and there, then they are a loser here and there.
Conservative Voice on December 5, 2008 at 4:40 PM
Neither. You’d be surprised by how intelligent some people are during pot use and despite repeated pot use.
It’s fairly prevalent with IT people. I’m not sure why, but they’re certainly not unintelligent people.
Esthier on December 5, 2008 at 4:40 PM
Another wacky hippy radical “loser” who supports legalizing marijuana – Milton Friedman:
http://www.forbes.com/2005/06/02/cz_qh_0602pot.html
Django on December 5, 2008 at 4:40 PM
I say drop the failed WoD, and let our farmers grow hemp, a viable and versatile crop grown by our country’s forefathers, whom we hold so dear.
/didn’t read the thread
ornery_independent on December 5, 2008 at 4:42 PM
justfinethanks on December 5, 2008 at 4:39 PM
Playing video games all day in your mothers has natural consequences that don’t need cops to enforce. And if playing video games all day is keeping you from being a parent, then yes I think the kids should be taken away…oh wait that all ready happens, its called abuse via neglect.
Conservative Voice on December 5, 2008 at 4:42 PM
Probably.
Esthier on December 5, 2008 at 4:42 PM
Esthier on December 5, 2008 at 4:40 PM
Smart while high? I’ve known a couple of quick witted lawyers who smoke weed as well. But they aren’t so quick witted when high.
Conservative Voice on December 5, 2008 at 4:44 PM
Bull. That’s your belief, not a standard. If a person smokes a cigarette or cigar here or there, I know more than a few people who consider them losers. I know some religious people who considering those who have a drink here and there to be losers. Some consider people who never went to college to be losers.
Some people are elitist jerks who see fit to denounce anyone who doesn’t live up to their standard. Like yourself, it seems. How a person lives their life determines whether they are a loser or not. Not that they used a few minutes of their life once or twice to smoke a joint, or have a drink, or have a one-night stand, or eat 6 boxes of McNuggets in one night, or any other such thing.
MadisonConservative on December 5, 2008 at 4:44 PM
MadisonConservative on December 5, 2008 at 4:36 PM
Madison, a person is a loser to a degree by what actions and behaviors they engage in. A person is a winner to a degree by what actions and behaviors they engage in. If they are casually smoking a joint here and there, then they are a loser here and there.
Conservative Voice on December 5, 2008 at 4:40 PM
Do you drink coffee?
Sheerq on December 5, 2008 at 4:44 PM
Oh, so if you do something that doesn’t affect anyone else, but is self destructive then it’s something that doesn’t require police intervention. If it affects children, then the cops can and should get involved.
I guess we are on the same page then.
justfinethanks on December 5, 2008 at 4:45 PM
Sure, but quick witted isn’t the same as smart. What pot does is slow the connections, so while someone on pot can have an incredible idea, they’re slow to process it and thus slow to communicate it. But that doesn’t mean that they aren’t intelligent, even while high.
Esthier on December 5, 2008 at 4:45 PM
MadisonConservative on December 5, 2008 at 4:44 PM
call me an elitist that is fine, though sad that I am considered an elitist because I say a pot head is a loser.
It is my standard and belief, and it is based on religion and it is based on observation.
A little bit of using an illegal drug still makes you a loser. But as soon as you sober up, and especially when you realize that was stupid….we all do stupid things, then the wiser you will become.
If I saw my kid smoking pot, should I rationalize it and say its no big deal, its just a joint?
Conservative Voice on December 5, 2008 at 4:50 PM
Yes, yes, a 1000 times yes! The money wasted per year is outrageous and alcohol is way worse than pot. start by legalizing pot and go from there….
Noneya on December 5, 2008 at 4:50 PM
Using a drug that potentially causes some temporary slowing of thought is no more of an outrage than using a drug that causes some mild acceleration of thought – like coffee, for example.
It is also incredibly disingenuous and false to pretend that everyone who uses marijuana is some kind of obsessed, overdosing fiend. That’s like saying any casual drinker actually chug-a-lugs a fifth of vodka every time they take a drink.
Django on December 5, 2008 at 4:51 PM
What if he’s in a state that has legalized it? Like California?
Califemme on December 5, 2008 at 4:52 PM
Amen!
Ciannaky on December 5, 2008 at 4:53 PM
No, you should smack that kid and tell them to knock it the hell off and start studying. You have say over what your kid does, but not every self sufficient adult in the nation.
I suppose that’s the problem. You want to be able to treat everyone like you want to treat your kid.
justfinethanks on December 5, 2008 at 4:53 PM
Sheerq on December 5, 2008 at 4:44 PM
no I don’t drink coffee, but I am not against people drinking coffee if they want.
justfinethanks on December 5, 2008 at 4:45 PM
Yes, we are on the same page. I don’t care to imprison drug users. But I do think kids should be removed until they can prove they can be sober. Nor do I think the court should mandate the person go to a dry clinic. Rather it should be, you have a year to show that you are sober and responsible, or you will lose your kids.
Conservative Voice on December 5, 2008 at 4:54 PM
You have the right to bring your kid up the way you want. You have no right to make other people live the way you want.
MadisonConservative on December 5, 2008 at 4:55 PM
You remind me of a ‘133t w@r3z d00d’ LOLing about illegally copying a game or song, only with a better vocabulary.
Dark-Star on December 5, 2008 at 4:55 PM
You call someone who has used pot a few times a “pot head”. That’s like saying someone who has smoked a few times a “chain smoker” or someone who has had a beer now and then an “alcoholic”. You’re applying an uneven standard to substance use. Either be consistent, or don’t bother.
MadisonConservative on December 5, 2008 at 4:57 PM
Conservative Voice on December 5, 2008 at 4:54 PM
Why is it okay to drink coffee but not smoke pot? Both are drugs.
Sheerq on December 5, 2008 at 4:57 PM
If you saw your kid drinking alcohol would you rationalize it and say it’s no big deal? Clearly, if your child is under the age of 18 (or possibly 21) it is important to steer them towards productive activities and away from drugs and drink. If an adult is consuming alcohol or marijuana in a responsible manner (and they can be and are used responsibly) then there’s no need to slit your wrists over it.
One of the persistent problems with the Republican Party is the insistence on sticking to a nanny state mentality that varies from that of the Democrats only in its goals. Both groups want to run peoples’ lives because they “know better” than the individuals themselves.
Django on December 5, 2008 at 4:58 PM
justfinethanks on December 5, 2008 at 4:53 PM
I am all for natural consequences for the adults, if in fact we start treating them as adults…no welfare.
People on welfare need to be drug free, and be in school, and after graduation lose all benefits after 4 months.
I am against seat belt laws, speed laws…why do we never here the emotion from libertarians on these matters?
Conservative Voice on December 5, 2008 at 4:58 PM
Thank you Ed Morrissey for continuing to fight the good fight here. The marketplace of ideas will ultimately win the day on this issue. It really is not even a close one.
Indeed, people are slowly starting to wise up and morons like “Conservative Voice” and “Madison Conservative” are sounding more and more like the Brady anti-gun nuts who think all guns are evil and should be banned…
sayabule1 on December 5, 2008 at 4:58 PM
Sheerq on December 5, 2008 at 4:57 PM
I can drink coffee, and still operate heavy machinery.
Conservative Voice on December 5, 2008 at 4:59 PM
Why are you talking about kids in the first place? No one has said that terrible parents should be allowed to abuse and neglect their kids.
Finish this sentence. A cop walks by an open apartment window and happens to see a young single man smoking a joint on his couch. He should immediately….
If your answer is “do nothing and go on his way to patrol for actual criminals” we are in agreement.
justfinethanks on December 5, 2008 at 5:00 PM
Conservative Voice on December 5, 2008 at 4:59 PM
Really? Ever hear of road rage? How many cases of road rage are caused by being overstimulated by caffeine?
Sheerq on December 5, 2008 at 5:01 PM
sayabule1 on December 5, 2008 at 4:58 PM
Really? Wow, I am actually for the average citizen to own fully automatic machine guns, and the security checks at the airport are a joke…just allow everyone to carry a gun on the airplane.
Conservative Voice on December 5, 2008 at 5:01 PM
…I beg your pardon? Where exactly have you seen me arguing in favor of the War on Drugs or agreeing with Voice?
MadisonConservative on December 5, 2008 at 5:02 PM
You really can’t compare the two equally, but even still, abuse of either can be a serious problem.
You’ve just made yourself look like a moron. Madison and Conservative are on opposite sides.
Esthier on December 5, 2008 at 5:02 PM
No one puts you in cuffs for forgetting to buckle up. When you have to just pay a small fine for smoking pot, the rhetoric will probably equalize.
justfinethanks on December 5, 2008 at 5:03 PM
Are you serious?
Esthier on December 5, 2008 at 5:03 PM
Oops…
And I think you should NOT have to apologize. It’s one thing to regulate for kids and addicts, but if a grown person, who pays his bills on time, takes care of his family, and is otherwise law abiding, I cannot see one reason why he shouldn’t indulge? Some people play sudoku, some people have a beer, some people smoke a joint, some people work out. What’s the problem?
Califemme on December 5, 2008 at 5:03 PM
Sheerq on December 5, 2008 at 5:01 PM
haha, funny, my guess is under the influence of coffee, even after 10 cups, is less dangerous than 1 joints, or 1 beer, or under 1 crystal of meth.
Conservative Voice on December 5, 2008 at 5:03 PM
Which is likely where we’re headed anyway. It’s a step towards legalization, but it still provides an incentive for keeping it only in your home.
Esthier on December 5, 2008 at 5:04 PM
If I erred Madison Conservative, I apologize.
Unlike you people, I have a job and was not afforded the luxury of reading the 6000 posts relating to this article…
sayabule1 on December 5, 2008 at 5:05 PM
about half of my employees are pot smokers (as I was for many years) and any one who says they are the same after smoking a joint as they where before is only fooling themselves. Under currant Maine law I can fire anyone at any time, but I must say if I fire everyone that ticks me off I’d be working alone. The problem is how easy these things creep from being unacceptable to being the new norm.
It seems to be a progressive thing.
aceinstall on December 5, 2008 at 5:05 PM
I can think of plenty of reasons why he shouldn’t but hardly any for why he shouldn’t be able to.
Esthier on December 5, 2008 at 5:06 PM
Again, I beg your pardon?
MadisonConservative on December 5, 2008 at 5:06 PM
Sorry, but your listing of crystal meth as some kind of equivalent to a joint or a beer proves you don’t have the slightest idea of what you’re talking about.
Django on December 5, 2008 at 5:06 PM
MadisonConservative on December 5, 2008 at 5:02 PM
You agree because you have conservative in your name, haha…that was the second poster in this thread that put us in the same boat. Could it be that people are too high to read?
Conservative Voice on December 5, 2008 at 5:07 PM
In that case, come in here and be a jack@ss to everyone.
Most of us have jobs, Einstein.
Esthier on December 5, 2008 at 5:07 PM
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