Time to end the war on drugs?
posted at 12:20 pm on December 5, 2008 by Ed Morrissey
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Seventy-five years ago today, the nation amended the Constitution to end Prohibition after a disastrous experiment in banning alcohol. Ethan Nadelmann uses the event to ask Americans whether the time has come to end its decades-long experiment in banning other drugs and allow citizens to make their own decisions on intoxicants. The appearance of this column at the Wall Street Journal shows how mainstream it has become to question the war on drugs:
The Americans who voted in 1933 to repeal prohibition differed greatly in their reasons for overturning the system. But almost all agreed that the evils of failed suppression far outweighed the evils of alcohol consumption.
The change from just 15 years earlier, when most Americans saw alcohol as the root of the problem and voted to ban it, was dramatic. Prohibition’s failure to create an Alcohol Free Society sank in quickly. Booze flowed as readily as before, but now it was illicit, filling criminal coffers at taxpayer expense.
Some opponents of prohibition pointed to Al Capone and increasing crime, violence and corruption. Others were troubled by the labeling of tens of millions of Americans as criminals, overflowing prisons, and the consequent broadening of disrespect for the law. Americans were disquieted by dangerous expansions of federal police powers, encroachments on individual liberties, increasing government expenditure devoted to enforcing the prohibition laws, and the billions in forgone tax revenues. And still others were disturbed by the specter of so many citizens blinded, paralyzed and killed by poisonous moonshine and industrial alcohol.
Supporters of prohibition blamed the consumers, and some went so far as to argue that those who violated the laws deserved whatever ills befell them. But by 1933, most Americans blamed prohibition itself.
When repeal came, it was not just with the support of those with a taste for alcohol, but also those who disliked and even hated it but could no longer ignore the dreadful consequences of a failed prohibition. They saw what most Americans still fail to see today: That a failed drug prohibition can cause greater harm than the drug it was intended to banish.
Do most Americans fail to see that? I’m not sure, and the fact that the question has become mainstream speaks to a dawning realization of that reality. Thirty years ago, talk of legalization remained on the fringe of American politics, mostly among drug users (with obvious interests in that direction) and libertarians. Reason Magazine would have been the most mainstream publication in those years to even make the argument, and perhaps the Village Voice. Otherwise, the thought of legalizing recreational drugs was thought politically insane.
No one doubts the destructive nature of most of the substances banned now, except for marijuana, where serious debate exists. Cocaine and heroin are deeply and physically addictive and deadly, as are most controlled or banned substances. But should people be left to their own devices and government stay out of the way of their behavior, only intervening when their behavior affects others? Where would that line get drawn, anyway?
Clearly, what we have been doing hasn’t worked. At the margins, it impacts behavior, but overall, Americans still create a huge demand that gets fulfilled by criminal enterprises. That is no different than what Prohibition created, and the effects have been the same: rampant violence, large wealth transfers to organized crime, dilution of law-enforcement efforts, exploding prison populations, and so on.
One definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result. Under that definition, the American idea of a war on drugs is as politically insane as it gets. Succeeding administrations and Congresses led by both parties keep assuring us that they will turn the corner on the war on drugs, but nothing changes except for the names and the faces. We have enabled a powerful central government and organized crime to limit our freedoms in every direction as a result of this policy. We could at least roll back both by returning to the more rational policy on drugs that the US had before prohibition fever hit a century ago.
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Agreed, something different has to be done.
firepilot on December 5, 2008 at 12:23 PM
No. Next question.
wise_man on December 5, 2008 at 12:25 PM
I’m in whole hearted agreement – the War on Drugs is an abomination.
Onager on December 5, 2008 at 12:25 PM
We could get serious about enforcement. We could add flogging to our list of punishments for people who are “casual users” and we could make it a death penalty offense to sell it.
The problem is that we’d need to do the Death Penalties on national TV. We’d have to make it public. Hanging for example. Then the dealers could see what future awaits them, and many would choose not to participate. Prison is a vague thing, romanticized by TV and hollywood into places where the prisoners have all the honor. Shawshank Redemption comes to mind.
Beat them, or kill them. Your choice. The stupidity of the legalize it now crowd doesn’t deserve additional discussion.
Snake307 on December 5, 2008 at 12:26 PM
I aree, Ed, and thanks for posting this.
Bugler on December 5, 2008 at 12:26 PM
The sad thing is that the most vocal people who want to legalize pot are also the most annoying..
DaveC on December 5, 2008 at 12:26 PM
Tough, tough issue.
The question, even if we throw out the “War on Drugs” model, remains.
Where and how do you draw the line on these things?
Hawkins1701 on December 5, 2008 at 12:26 PM
So we legalize addictive drugs?
What then?
Skywise on December 5, 2008 at 12:27 PM
This is the argument that bothers me the most, because it seems to imply that criminal enterprises wouldn’t find another business should drugs become legal.
Esthier on December 5, 2008 at 12:28 PM
We have the largest prison population in the world… most of it drug related…
Legalize, make it as safe as possible, and tax the heck out of it…
Romeo13 on December 5, 2008 at 12:28 PM
Legalize marijuana. Assess results.
RushBaby on December 5, 2008 at 12:28 PM
Full Disclosure Time Ed..
come on.. :)
DaveC on December 5, 2008 at 12:29 PM
Our society has gone to Pot…
Mister Ghost on December 5, 2008 at 12:29 PM
Huge costs, no product other than huge costs. Legalize it and tax it.
TinMan13 on December 5, 2008 at 12:29 PM
If more people lose their jobs , and the government get less money. I don’t see how the war on drugs can ever be won.
Legalize some and get rid of the criminal organizations.
And tax it..
the_nile on December 5, 2008 at 12:29 PM
This statement makes you the fringe.
Esthier on December 5, 2008 at 12:29 PM
The War on Drugs is a trillion-dollar taxpayer-funded bailout of drug dealers.
Drugs have huge profit margins only because they are illegal. The more you spend on enforcement, the higher the profit margins.
This is what happens when you treat a medical problem as a criminal justice issue. A gun is a poor tool for brain surgery.
TallDave on December 5, 2008 at 12:29 PM
Well, the Dutch have legalized drugs a long time ago and they still have boatloads of junkies and drug related crime. So…as the great Dave Mustaine once said, f there’s a new way, I’ll be the first in line. But, it better work this time.
madne0 on December 5, 2008 at 12:29 PM
I support the War on Drugs. Unlike 99% of all capitalist goods, drugs have no positive benefits and only are dangerous and deadly.
And, that includes marijuana, which kills hundreds each year but is categorized simply as a smoking death–not to mention all the psychotic side effects.
Drug distributors should be severely punished, drug users less so.
American_Pride1701 on December 5, 2008 at 12:31 PM
I don’t have an issue with that.. make it so one joint or brownie would be equivalent to a glass of beer..
Not sure how the anti-smoking crowd would handle pot smoke though..
DaveC on December 5, 2008 at 12:31 PM
So we should make drugs more readily available and cheaper? That’s the solution?
Esthier on December 5, 2008 at 12:31 PM
I’d like to see the heads of the big three automakers get into drug dealing and perhaps bring that debt down.
grdred944 on December 5, 2008 at 12:32 PM
That’s a pretty smart idea, actually.
factoid on December 5, 2008 at 12:32 PM
I know you’re kidding, but I’ve never tried an illegal substance, not even once. Been around when it’s been used, but never toked, sniffed, or shot up. I know it’s disappointing, but ….
Ed Morrissey on December 5, 2008 at 12:32 PM
we party like its 1999…
actually there are many prescription drugs that are very addictive and are readily available. make pot legal. it is less dangerous than drinking. develop a quick test to make sure there are ways to stop driving under the influence of weed…though most of the driving violations will involve driving 40mph on the interstate
moseby on December 5, 2008 at 12:33 PM
Take a look at how well it has worked out for Amsterdam et al, current policy might not look so bad then.
Alden Pyle on December 5, 2008 at 12:33 PM
Put simply, drugs threaten my daughters. Continue the fight, do it better.
I seriously question people who want drugs legalized.
Darksean on December 5, 2008 at 12:33 PM
You consider alcohol a drug , should it be banned . It do kill a lot of people.
the_nile on December 5, 2008 at 12:33 PM
It would be difficult to find another business involving consensual transactions as lucrative as the drug trade. Sure, they could go back to prostitution, gambling, etc, but they’re doing those already.
Plus, it would shut down narcoguerrilas in South America and the Taliban in Afghanistan (where growing poppies is currently about 100x as priftable as growing anything else, simply because it’s one of the few places you can get away with growing them).
TallDave on December 5, 2008 at 12:34 PM
Legalize them. Stuff like the DEA is a huge waste of money. We can abolish that whole agency
lodge on December 5, 2008 at 12:35 PM
Why was an admendment needed to prohibit Alcohol, but not other drugs? Drug prohibition should be illegal until an admendment is passed. Should an admendment be passed…like Alden Pyle, look at how it has worked for other countries.
WashJeff on December 5, 2008 at 12:36 PM
Legalize it. Tax it at 100%+ (local, state and federal). Then enforce the new status. At the same time, offer no more excuses for drug use. Accept no alibis that John was late to work today because he got stoned last night..John made a choice, so John has to pay for the stupidity of that choice.. And prepare ourselves for a nation of slackers and useless workers. Yep. That’s the ticket.
coldwarrior on December 5, 2008 at 12:36 PM
NO!
Who are we fighting right now in Afghanistan? The Taliban and Alqaeda, where do they get their funding “Poppy Crop” So NO we shouldn’t End the War on Drugs. Maybe we should change the way we are fighting The Drug War. There is a novel that came out a while back “Point of Entry” how the Islamic fascist, will use the drug routes- South of our Border to infiltrate and cause that massive attack, that was predicted, and reported on link below, there will be a massive attack in the offing – Using WMD.
We are fighting Drug Dealers in Afghanistan, they are responsible for a lot of the heroin that makes it way to the Streets in the West…we call them Taliban I call them Drug Dealers and Terrorist. If some thinks there is some “fine” demarcation between the two point it out to me.
So when an American buys and uses illegal drugs who are they funding?
http://www.newsmax.com/headlines/cetron_terror_attack/2008/09/10/129636.html
http://www.amazon.com/Point-Entry-Novel-Peter-Schechter/dp/0060843306
Dr Evil on December 5, 2008 at 12:37 PM
Does this demand for legalization apply to drugs such as penicillian?
TexasDude on December 5, 2008 at 12:38 PM
Legalize them, regulate them, tax them to pay for rehab and “just say no” campaigns. Oh, and allow private companies to do drug screening of potential employees.
Thanks to the WoD we have militarized police forces and draconian civil forfeiture laws. This “cure” is worse than the disease.
rbj on December 5, 2008 at 12:38 PM
It’s been time to end the war since Pablo Escobar became as powerful as he got. Disturbingly huge amounts of money spent, barely any recouped, and the primary result was an increase in street prices. All of the DEA’s budget could be used in superbly better fashion. Take it and make a payment on the national debt, or put it towards the military, or better yet, return it to the taxpayers.
Drugs such as marijuana are no more deadly than cigarettes or alcohol, and the latter two are legal. In this nation, we have the freedom to do stupid crap with our bodies if we want, be it smoking or fast food or sitting in front of the television all day. Spending egregious wads of cash to fight some of them is mind-boggling. It just continues to drive the drug market, and make it more profitable for the drug lords.
MadisonConservative on December 5, 2008 at 12:38 PM
The percentage of capitalist goods that have greater benefits than marijuana is less than 99%. Over the past 20 years there has been an increase in spending on recreational products that are as much a waste as weed–probably 80% of your cable TV bill is for programming that does nothing more than waste time.
A lot of the bubble and the current collapse has been caused by consumers borrowing too much money to buy junk they don’t need. If they had spent less on a little bit of weed we wouldn’t be in any worse shape.
dedalus on December 5, 2008 at 12:39 PM
WashJeff, drug use has been legal in the US for most of our history. Declaring substances illegal has required all sorts of legal contortions. The Constitutional default position is legality, not illegality.
Bugler on December 5, 2008 at 12:39 PM
Tax them, tax them, tax them like alcohol and cigarettes. I’m surprised the politicians haven’t jumped on this.
mixplix on December 5, 2008 at 12:39 PM
No. People should not be left to their own devices for one main reason, they are clueless as to how these drugs truly effect their brain and circulatory system. I’m involved in Chemical dependency counseling and I can tell you first hand experience, people don’t stop to think, for example, about how the drugs are effecting their brains. They’ve probably never heard of dopamine receptors. Once treatment patients are educated about the devasting effects they then start to think “hmm, maybe drugs wasnt such a good idea”. Small amounts of alchohol do not have the same type of addictive effects as do drugs such as meth, heroin, crack, etc. Weed is debatable but I’d still not want to legalize it for many reasons. I’m not sure what they teach in school today concerning drugs but if they had the same educational programs that are run in treatment centers there may be a better understanding as to the horrible consequences of using.
Wileygrl3 on December 5, 2008 at 12:39 PM
I second Esthier’s sentiments….you are not somebody I ever wish to be around.
LimeyGeek on December 5, 2008 at 12:40 PM
If you want to do drugs you will do them legal or not. If you don’t want to you won’t. It’s really that simple.
SouthernGent on December 5, 2008 at 12:40 PM
All the more reason to enact the FairTax….think of all the revnue collected at point-of-sale.
LimeyGeek on December 5, 2008 at 12:41 PM
I was ambivalent to the drug war for a long time, mostly because “drugs” to mean were crack and heroine and those seemed like they might be destructive and hurt more than just the user.
But then I realized that government bans a range of drugs for dubious political reasons, from herbal supplements to Steroids: none of which actually do anyone except maybe the user any harm. Once harmless prohormones and steroid percursers got banned, I really soured on the whole “drug war” business.
My body, my choice, etc. etc.
Lehosh on December 5, 2008 at 12:41 PM
Also, which would be preferable:
No education about drugs, while kids experiment with unregulated substances tainted with god knows what cooked up in trailer park bathtubs?
Or a much smaller amount of money than the DEA budget instead spent on FDA regulation of these substances, consumer information, and substances that are actually less likely to kill due to poisons mixed in?
MadisonConservative on December 5, 2008 at 12:41 PM
The real problem with Legalization is production and safety which the FDA would have to guarantee. Gasoline is used in production of Cocaine. Literally, Gasoline is poured on the raw cocaine. Now, how can the FDA guarantee it’s safe? Then, when someone overdoses, are you ready to sit in a courtroom as the lawsuit takes months while some John Edwardsesque lawyer explains how the Escobar’s are really liable for the death of John Doe?
Pfui. Kill the dealers, flog the users. Make it public.
Snake307 on December 5, 2008 at 12:41 PM
Sadly the “war on drugs” is an institution.
There are too many people on both sides making money on it.
Just think of Lawyers, jails, Judges, and cops as war profiteers.
TheSitRep on December 5, 2008 at 12:42 PM
I think we could do a lot by executing drug dealers and publicly whipping drug users.
Has that ever been tried?
JellyToast on December 5, 2008 at 12:42 PM
When you look back in history to the time when there was no drug prohibition, what do you see?
LimeyGeek on December 5, 2008 at 12:42 PM
I hope you know that your argument is the exact same paternalistic nonsense that leftists use about Burger King…
Lehosh on December 5, 2008 at 12:42 PM
Anything that makes stinky hippie liberal potheads mad is worth spending money on.
Seriously though, the only real objecion to legalization I can think of is international relations. What do we say to Colombia? What if there are countries that don’t want a narco-economy, bu we provide a huge market for their wares? Could be bad.
VolMagic on December 5, 2008 at 12:42 PM
Except that one beer won’t get you drunk. One joint/one brownie will get you high (unless your tolerance is unreasonably high).
It should be held to the same standards as cigarette smoke. It does the same exact damage to a person’s lungs.
We already tried that and were unable to do so. In fact, that’s one lesson from Prohibition: what was legal cannot be made illegal, not effectively anyway. So if we want pot legal, it’s most likely permanent. That’s something to keep in mind here.
Esthier on December 5, 2008 at 12:42 PM
The impulse toward greater libertarianism toward drug policy is directly antithetical to nationalized health care. In a national health care scheme, the state must decide how much to spend on which health conditions based not on the desires of the individuals involved, but rather on political concerns. How would a state justify spending finite resources on the totally avoidable consequences of drug abuse?
cthulhu on December 5, 2008 at 12:43 PM
“Mmmmm, brownies…”
Actually, there is a very easy way around the pot smoke police-nowadays there are devices called “vaporizers” for smoking pot. These were developed so that people could “smoke” pot without the bad effects of the smoke. The pot isn’t actually burned, it’s vaporized, and the vapors are inhaled.
Del Dolemonte on December 5, 2008 at 12:43 PM
If this isn’t satire, then I would welcome the opinion of an average drug dealer more than I would welcome yours.
MadisonConservative on December 5, 2008 at 12:43 PM
Legalizing Marijuana and mushrooms makes sense.
But are we really going to legalize heroin, cocaine and meth? I could see methadone programs being expanded, but are we going to give out heroin, cocaine, crack and meth to users? That would be insane too.
Meth could be ended if the government simply tightly restricted the supply of the base chemicals (which are manufactured for the over the counter cold medicine market). The base chemicals cannot be cooked in a trailer, those base chemicals require elaborate chemical manufacture and are only produced in a handful of locals (India, US, etc.). The over the counter cold medicine need to be controlled to prevent the “trailer refining” that is a big source of meth. Sorry Sudafed if that impacts your sales, but the price of meth is too high for society.
As for heroin, we should be buying the supply overseas and direct our criminal enforcement on users. If you use heroin or opiates, you have to go into treatment or jail. If you eliminate the market you eliminate the smuggling and drug trade. As for cocaine, again, drug enforcement focused on the user. No market, no trade. I would not put drug users in the normal prison system, I would treat it as a tiered work camp and treatment facility to discourage drug use. Expensive, but less expensive than the current war on drugs.
Mr. Joe on December 5, 2008 at 12:43 PM
The criminalization of drugs does very little prevent people from taking drugs.
It definitely doesn’t do much stop people who have become addicted to drugs.
Throwing drug users and dealers into jail A) is a waste of the judicial system’s time and money. B) disproportionately punishes lower-income and minority citizens and C) puts people into jail who are really criminals.
Now, if someone gets high and drives, then I would consider them a criminal, but just taking drugs? I don’t really consider that being a criminal act (despite what the law says now). It’s self-destructive and unhealthy, but so are a lot of legal things.
I say, decriminalize and educate. It’ll take away a lot of the “coolness” factor that drugs currently have (and still will, but to a lesser degree). People will still take drugs, but we won’t be tying up the court system and we’ll be able to treat the problem and a health matter, not a criminal one.
Tom_Shipley on December 5, 2008 at 12:43 PM
And about time too. But we will need enhanced laws governing public use and intoxication as well as protection for the children of the users. Businesses will have to make their own policies and insurers will want to safeguard themselves from liability for the associated health effects. It is time.
ronsfi on December 5, 2008 at 12:43 PM
I’d say it is more of an attorney bail out plan.
Onager on December 5, 2008 at 12:44 PM
I’ve been surprised what one mixed drink can do to some people.
MadisonConservative on December 5, 2008 at 12:44 PM
That’s the same line of reasoning lefties use to teach birth control to high school children. “Teach them safe sex. They’re gonna do it anyway.”
So we legalize drugs. What’ll be the next crime that gets legalized “so it can be controled?”
tre on December 5, 2008 at 12:44 PM
here in california it is legal to buy weed with doctors permission. when purchased in the state stores you pay the local tax rate of 9% for your happy herb. fear alzheimers…
moseby on December 5, 2008 at 12:44 PM
That’s what I am saying. All drugs are legal under the constitution until making them illegal. And since the constitution does not provide such power to make drugs, or any item, illegal, an admendment must be created.
WashJeff on December 5, 2008 at 12:44 PM
Legalize recreational drugs? You’re kidding, right? Isn’t there enough crime and highway deaths already caused by alcohol, the other legal recreational drug?
If we lived in a responsible society, it might work, but we don’t. Keep them illegal and enforce the laws.
dinobalz on December 5, 2008 at 12:44 PM
Thailand, for one. Is that your vision for America?
LimeyGeek on December 5, 2008 at 12:44 PM
If you transferred the BILLIONS spent on the war on drugs which has failed miserably, to combat organized and violent crime it would make America a better place…. not to mention probably cut the amount of drugs available way down– you get rid of the gangs and you get rid of most of the distribution– maybe….dont outright legalize all drugs but decriminalize them….
Filling our jails with pot smokers and heroin addicts is just stupid–
You could pay for free heroin for all the addicts and have plenty to spare if you didnt waste it on incarceration and misused police and government resources….
Its time to take a serious look at this subject….
alecj on December 5, 2008 at 12:44 PM
So do alcohol, cigarettes, chewing tobacco, etc. If your kids are smart they’ll avoid all those.
But if they don’t, realize this — most of the problems associated with drug adddiction are the result of the drug laws themselves, rather than the drugs. People are mostly hurt from drugs “cut” with harmful substances (no regulation), from drug deals gone bad (no recourse to normal conflict-resolution mechanisms, so if you can steal drugs they’re yours), from the high cost of drugs to addicts who cannot function without them (a function of their illegality), and criminal penalties for drug use.
Dr. William Stewart Halsted, one of the most important doctors in American history and considered the father of modern surgery, was a lifelong morphine addict, a fact only revealed decades after his death due to a request in his will that his diary be sealed for 40 years. One presumes that if he were forced to search back alleys for a fix his life would have been considerably less productive.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Stewart_Halsted
William Stewart Halsted (September 23, 1852 – September 7, 1922) is considered by many to be the most innovative, influential and important surgeon America has ever produced.
TallDave on December 5, 2008 at 12:44 PM
Is it just me or does anyone else see a parallel between Prohibition and where the money went and the prohibition on drilling for oil and what we have to endure in America AGAIN because of politicians?
Amendment X on December 5, 2008 at 12:44 PM
Sounds like a pragmatic solution. Tax the product. Inform the consumer. Liquor and cigarettes are handled in a manner that balances liberty with safety.
dedalus on December 5, 2008 at 12:44 PM
I don’t know. Let’s ask Iran how that works out for Homosexuals and Adulterers.
Lehosh on December 5, 2008 at 12:45 PM
decriminalize pot but make dealing meth, coke, smack and the like a mandatory death sentence.
Offer a plea bargain to condemned dealers thusly:
If you tell us where you get your stuff, we’ll give you lethal injection, instead of the electric chair.
Done, that was easy.
Next
TheSitRep on December 5, 2008 at 12:45 PM
I suggest a change in name. Name a “War on XYZ” (poverty, drugs, whatever) that has actually worked.
Maybe the Jihad on Drugs, the Neverending Crusade on Drugs, or the Quixotic Quest are better names. Drugs, their dealers, and their users have been around since time began. Let’s spend our money on something else, and let nature take its course. Either that, or figure out a better way to fight the dealers and to fight the ‘allure’ of drug use – that includes scraping that DARE program. Maybe a slideshow of pictures of drug users instead.
I’ve had family members that have ruined their lives with both drugs and alcohol. Yet, I’ll still have a drink, or use codeine when prescribed. Their choices led to their problems, and quite frankly, that’s their problem. I’m willing to help those that want it, but how many drug users actually want help?
Anna on December 5, 2008 at 12:45 PM
Explain…I don’t know the “leftists” argument for Burger king
Wileygrl3 on December 5, 2008 at 12:45 PM
Madison Conservative, nice thought, but we are not going to become Malaysia or Singapore on death sentenances (although I wish caning was an option with troubled youth and petty criminals, because I think it does work and is actually more humane for many offenses than jail or prison).
Mr. Joe on December 5, 2008 at 12:45 PM
Key word “prescription” the use of them outside of medicinal means is illegal.
I’m talking about casual use from “drug stores”. Pot is one thing but we’re talking about “drugs”.
How about casual use of Ecstasy? Rohypnol? GDB?
Skywise on December 5, 2008 at 12:45 PM
Headline: (insert noun here), poor, minorities hardest hit.
You are Lulz.
VolMagic on December 5, 2008 at 12:45 PM
Especially the way I roll.
LimeyGeek on December 5, 2008 at 12:46 PM
Legalize weed, spend the WoD budget on buying and destroying the active ingredients for the rest of the drugs.
RightOFLeft on December 5, 2008 at 12:46 PM
If narcotics wasn’t illegal , there wouldn’t be a lot of money in the distribution of them.
You could grow them in usa ( well weed is already the most lucrative crop grown in usa ) and kill the narco-economies .
the_nile on December 5, 2008 at 12:46 PM
Actually, with more safety than liberty. Madison is a no-smoking town and they’re trying to make the entire state the same way. Being neither a smoker nor a drug-user, I wouldn’t care if it wasn’t for the fact that it’s just nanny-statism trying to control people, which I will continue to fight.
MadisonConservative on December 5, 2008 at 12:47 PM
LOL ROHYPNOL? Your life must be utter dogshit if you want to erase your brain that badly!
LimeyGeek on December 5, 2008 at 12:47 PM
Yup. Agree.
dedalus on December 5, 2008 at 12:48 PM
puts people into jail who are‘nt really criminals.
Fixed.
Tom_Shipley on December 5, 2008 at 12:48 PM
Fewer and fewer people exhibit your integrity – if it doesn’t directly affect them, they’re too lazy to engage their brains and think about whether they should care.
LimeyGeek on December 5, 2008 at 12:48 PM
The War on Drugs is a pathetic failure. End it.
lexhamfox on December 5, 2008 at 12:48 PM
I wouldn’t object to marijuana being legal, but would definitely object to harder drugs being legal. They’re more dangerous.
However, I don’t see pot becoming legal for two reasons-the powerful lobbies from law enforcement and the drug companies.
Keeping pot illegal makes for more work (and thus more money) for the cops. As for the drug companies, pot is something that people use in lieu of their products like anti-depressants, and in addition since pot is a naturally occuring plant, and not a drug that is manufactured in a factory, they can’t make any money off of it. Therefore, they will always oppose making it legal.
There is one possibility that the drug companies might not object to-make it legal for people to grow their own pot.
Del Dolemonte on December 5, 2008 at 12:48 PM
I’m sorry–I misunderstood you. Thanks for clarifying.
Bugler on December 5, 2008 at 12:49 PM
“How many joints are in a lid?” (I think it is lid..never did get my pot terminology down)
“Two.. I role big joints, man..”
wow.. this thread is bringing back way too many Cheech and Chong routines.. :)
DaveC on December 5, 2008 at 12:49 PM
Time to end the war on drugs?
Yes.
Yakko77 on December 5, 2008 at 12:49 PM
Also…legalizing drugs would bring the price so far down for drugs like heroin and cocaine that the middle eastern and south american countries couldnt charge the black market prices and would probably make LESS money overall….
It could even chase some from the business of making hard drugs— if all the sudden they only made 10% of the profit it wouldnt be as tempting to get into the business….
Just applying simple economics to it— remember too– they said alcohol would ruin america….never did—
Its personal responsibility versus billions of tax dollars wasted….
You know which way most of us on the right will choose….
alecj on December 5, 2008 at 12:50 PM
the_nile on December 5, 2008 at 12:46 PM
Im no expert on these matters, but I don’t think we can grow cocoa here. I guess all the other big ones can be grown/manufactuered here, but I was thinking about our relations with S. American countries. One stumbling block, in my view.
VolMagic on December 5, 2008 at 12:50 PM
Yeah, good idea…the economy is a mess, high unemployment, people losing their jobs, losing there homes…let’s make drugs legal…
right2bright on December 5, 2008 at 12:50 PM
Ha. You might be on to something.
I think for most people this is true, but I do believe that there are also plenty of people who specifically don’t do drugs because they are illegal, especially something like pot that most accept as having no serious side effects.
Esthier on December 5, 2008 at 12:50 PM
Agreed. Tax and regulate pot and its derivatives. Severely regulate the harder stuff.
And (i) fully legalize the importation of prescription drugs from outside of the country for personal use and (ii) allow people to obtain “normal” prescription drugs (such as penicillin, etc) without doctor prescriptions.
All the arguments you’ve made about non-governmental interference also clearly apply to prescription drug use. And the requirement to have a doctor’s prescription effectively drives up the cost of a $4 generic drug to $54 or $79.
jim m on December 5, 2008 at 12:51 PM
LOL maybe we can feed them to the lions or make them fight each other to the death.
Why should we continue to waste, yes I said waste, huge amounts of tax payer money to warehouse hopheads. Why should we willingly perpetuate gang warfare over territory to sell drugs. This experiment in prohibition has turned a lot of our cities into war zones and has turned our southern border into a DMZ run by drug kingpins.
Don’t worry about unemployed gang members wandering the streets. If things go as planned with our new wonderful presidential administration they can start selling guns and gasoline.
Sammy316 on December 5, 2008 at 12:51 PM
Really? Here’s about how it goes:
No. People should not be left to their own devices for one main reason, they are clueless as to how these
drugsevil corporations truly effecttheir brain and circulatory systemfair trade and indigenous farmers. I’m involved inChemical dependency counselingPETA and I can tell you first hand experience, people don’t stop to think, for example, about how thedrugsFrankenburgers are effectingtheir brainsworld poverty. They’ve probably never heard ofdopamine receptorsransfats or American hegemony! Oncetreatment patientsbloated American consumers are educated about the devastating effects they then start to think “hmm, maybedrugsbuying into Western corporatism wasn’t such a good idea”.Etc. etc.
Lehosh on December 5, 2008 at 12:52 PM
the Only war I will ever admit America has lost.
Kaptain Amerika on December 5, 2008 at 12:52 PM
Isn’t there a rule of thumb that says that anytime the government declares “war on something” — no matter whether it’s crime, poverty, or grammar abuse — people start to shoot back?
cthulhu on December 5, 2008 at 12:52 PM
I hope you don’t mean that outlawing drugs such as meth, heroin, crack etc is just nanny-statsim?
Wileygrl3 on December 5, 2008 at 12:53 PM
The liberal left whines about the effect of transfat on our kids then tries to sell the idea that legalizing drugs is a good thing. I guess it only matters whose Ox is being gored. The hippie culture that has come to power will legalize any outrage (abortion, drugs, homosexuality etc.) and call the people who oppose it fools, criminals, racists, or any other canard to deflect the fact they want to drag society down to the lowest level so they can feel good about themselves. Not only that they will enact laws to protect the outrage. (hatecrime laws). To hell with you all.
Kuffar on December 5, 2008 at 12:53 PM
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