Video: The forbidden “Whopper Virgins” ads

posted at 8:35 pm on December 4, 2008 by Allahpundit

Via HuffPo, the ads actually aren’t forbidden yet — the website’s still ticking away as I write this — but give the aggrieved a few days to get organized. Here’s what happens when Rousseau fans get bored:

Next week, Burger King kicks off a major ad campaign that involves a unique twist on the tried-and-true marketing technique of taste testing. The campaign is already generating controversy.

The No. 2 burger maker in the U.S. asked farmers in the Transylvania region of Romania, the Hmong tribe of Thailand, and other folks in far-flung places to sample its Whopper alongside McDonald’s Big Mac and declare the winner…

A headline on the blog Stereohyped read: “Burger King Storms Innocent Villages to Plunder ‘Virgins.’ ”

Another blogger, on Walletpop, wrote: “What might irk people is the concept that Burger King is taking its fat-laden fast food to people who aren’t used to this stuff in their diets, who aren’t usually subject to our crass commercials, and who probably don’t really care too much.”

Alan Siegel, chairman of Siegel + Gale, an Omnicom Group branding firm, warns that the ads “could be interpreted as the crass part of America talking to the Third World.”

Think of the boldfaced part as a variation on the debate over genetically modified foods. “You can’t feed that to starving people; it might make them sick.” Ace claims he can’t figure out what the left’s problem is here, but isn’t this just their standard fetishizing of a “simpler” culture whose supposed insensate brutishness demands our protection? They know nothing of corporate advertising. How are they supposed to resist the delicious hamburgers being foisted upon them? Flashback exit quotation: “I took a poo in the woods hunched over like an animal … awesome.”

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Flashback exit quotation: “I took a poo in the woods hunched over like an animal … awesome.”

What’s the big deal? I did it every Obama sign I saw prior to the election.

lorien1973 on December 4, 2008 at 8:38 PM

That’s a heckuva marketing idea.

Yes, man is borne free but everywhere is in chains made by the decadent neocon American capitalists.

SteveMG on December 4, 2008 at 8:38 PM

Just send the creepy guy in the Burger King mask to scare the HuffPo bloggers.

jon1979 on December 4, 2008 at 8:39 PM

I like BK’s Eat Like A Snake ad better.

eea on December 4, 2008 at 8:41 PM

Saw this in the Daily News yesterday, accompanied by the typical “outrage” over the insensitivity of it all.

The ad is pretty stupid, but it sure got the attention they desired.

JammieWearingFool on December 4, 2008 at 8:42 PM

fat-laden fast food to people who aren’t used to this stuff in their diets

Not used to fatty foods? Maybe starving rice farmers, but what about the kind of farmers who eat bacon and drink whole milk?

Count to 10 on December 4, 2008 at 8:42 PM

That’s a clever idea.

Spirit of 1776 on December 4, 2008 at 8:44 PM

Count to 10 on December 4, 2008 at 8:42 PM

Yeah, the idea of a Romanian lowfat diet is a stretch.

The objections in general are pretty dehumanizing.

exception on December 4, 2008 at 8:46 PM

“Whopper” and “virgin” are two words that ordinarily don’t go together easily. :)

Guardian on December 4, 2008 at 8:48 PM

I see the ghost of Liberace being asked what he thought when people were audacious enough to suggest that he was gay:

“I cry about it… all the way to the bank.”

BK is crying about this ad-campaign bashing, as well.

Wino on December 4, 2008 at 8:49 PM

Ahh the Whopper. I tell my wife it’s the world’s most perfect food. My guilty pleasure for sure, besides coming here 10 times a day.

matd on December 4, 2008 at 8:53 PM

The ads are pretty pathetic, if you think about it for awhile…

Prediction!!! They will be pulled within 2 weeks….

BigWyo on December 4, 2008 at 9:01 PM

I’m excited to see the results. Seriously. I normally hate advertisements, but Burger King’s stuff is consistently funny. This borders on poignant, even.

Andrew D on December 4, 2008 at 9:12 PM

It would only be cruel and unusual if they were inflicting White Castle on those innocents abroad.

That would be wrong!

Mr. Joe on December 4, 2008 at 9:13 PM

I like BK’s Eat Like A Snake ad better.

eea on December 4, 2008 at 8:41 PM

Ok, that‘s funny. “Unhinge your jaaaaaaaaaaw”

Tanya on December 4, 2008 at 9:14 PM

seems like a brilliant idea to me. Of course they will only show the ones choosing the Whopper, but I think it’s a good campaign. . . I wonder what they are planning for the Superbowl. . . which do Polar Bears prefer (man with whopper or man with Big Mac). . . I just love entertainment.

ThackerAgency on December 4, 2008 at 9:17 PM

To bad Burger King is in the next town. I got a craving for a Whopper!

sheebe on December 4, 2008 at 9:19 PM

No, what would be insensitive would be to give the test to a starving Somalian or Ethiopian.
Any willing participant is fair game. It isn’t exploitation, unless Borat is making the commercial.
But honestly,if you have never had one of those, it’s probably going to run right through you!

redshirt on December 4, 2008 at 9:20 PM

Let me get this straight..they are offended by the idea of going to an impoverished place and seeing whether they like Whopper or Big Mac..hmm and they have never heard of ‘creative license’ in marketing? These people think they ‘actually’ went to the most remote places to find these people??

I’m sorry, the people who are ‘offended’ by this illusion (its an advertisement people) need to get a life. As one who worked for the King many years ago (oh the fond days of people looking for Herb)I have seen many of their attempts at marketing firsthand. In fact look up the Herb campaign. It was about a person who had never had a Burger King burger. Its called marketing. You think there really was a ‘Herb’? Eventually there was, at the end of their campaign. They had to end it somehow. Guess what, I’m thinking he really wasn’t named Herb and may have actually had a Burger King burger once or twice. Again it an illusion. But then again we live in a time where the line between fantasy and reality is not only blurred but altogether obliterated. We live in very sad times indeed.

Crossranted @ Cassy Fiano

RuffledRaven on December 4, 2008 at 9:22 PM

It would only be cruel and unusual if they were inflicting White Castle on those innocents abroad.

That would be wrong!

Mr. Joe on December 4, 2008 at 9:13 PM

Racist! ;-)

Darnell Clayton on December 4, 2008 at 9:23 PM

The best BK commercial so far, IMO.

I am Man

TugboatPhil on December 4, 2008 at 9:23 PM

Grandpa Fred Thompson tells us a bedtime story oh please Grandpa let it have a happy ending SMILE.

http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=32754

Dr Evil on December 4, 2008 at 9:32 PM

TugboatPhil on December 4, 2008 at 9:23 PM

LOL! Gotta agree.

Fletch54 on December 4, 2008 at 9:34 PM

Not the strangest burger ad I ever saw. That would be Hardee’s “Let the last place you’d ever go for a hamburger become the first…” Sounded like they were saying, “Sure, our burgers suck, but give us another chance.”
You have to ask, “How’s that workin’ out for ya?”

whitetop on December 4, 2008 at 9:43 PM

Does anyone remember the Nestle’s boycott from the 1970s because of its marketing of baby formula in the Third World? See here for a summary.

This reminded me of it:

Another blogger, on Walletpop, wrote: “What might irk people is the concept that Burger King is taking its fat-laden fast food to people who aren’t used to this stuff in their diets, who aren’t usually subject to our crass commercials, and who probably don’t really care too much.”

Attila (Pillage Idiot) on December 4, 2008 at 9:57 PM

I think I understand. The people who insisted that BK serve a vegetarian selection (that flopped) or else they would boycott them are now insisting that they stop this ad campaign, or else they’ll boycott them.

I think if you took all those complaining, and calculated their total BK expenditures for the last decade, you’d be hard-pressed to buy a tofu burger with the proceeds.

Wino on December 4, 2008 at 10:04 PM

This is the most creative sales pitch I’ve seen in a while.

Moral outrage and righteous indignation in 3…2….2….2…sorry, I got distracted…1….

hillbillyjim on December 4, 2008 at 10:09 PM

I saw a commercial for this the other day while I was watching football and just thought, “Who CARES what third world villagers think?…. Although it would be amusing to watch them.”

What these people probably omitted from the ads is the fact that our palettes are going to be so radically different from some backwoods, third world goat herders’ that their conception of a burger’s taste will be nothing like our own. Some of these people are accustomed to eating insects, bark and small wild animals’ innards, then washing the muck down with filthy river water.

It’s sad, but hardly surprising given today’s political climate, that Americans, living in the most culturally, technologically and commercially developed nation on the planet are now looking to the world’s lowest savages and asking them to validate our opinions. What ever happened to excellence setting the standard?

Sign of the Dollar on December 4, 2008 at 10:20 PM

the world’s lowest savages

Sign of the Dollar on December 4, 2008 at 10:20 PM

That’s a bit extreme, to be polite.

hillbillyjim on December 4, 2008 at 10:23 PM

By the way, whoppervirgins.com really would be more fitting as a gonzo porn site.

Sign of the Dollar on December 4, 2008 at 10:25 PM

Mr. Joe on December 4, 2008 at 9:13 PM

Ah, another who doesn’t appreciate the culinaryy greatnessof Slyders. A unique food that should never be compared to a hamburger. A slyder would be a terrible hamburger, but, taken on its own merits, it is sublime. I guess, though, that I should not refer to a slyder in the singular, sonce no one buys or eats them that way.

Buford Gooch on December 4, 2008 at 10:28 PM

Sign of the Dollar on December 4, 2008 at 10:20 PM

You sound like an elitist dork.

Buford Gooch on December 4, 2008 at 10:30 PM

That’s a bit extreme, to be polite.

hillbillyjim on December 4, 2008 at 10:23 PM

Well I was exaggerating to make a point. Burger King is presenting these people as extremely backward people in some of the most remote (read primitive) locales.

Sign of the Dollar on December 4, 2008 at 10:31 PM

“What might irk people is the concept that Burger King is taking its fat-laden fast food to people who aren’t used to this stuff in their diets, who aren’t usually subject to our crass commercials, and who probably don’t really care too much.”

Alan Siegel, chairman of Siegel + Gale, an Omnicom Group branding firm, warns that the ads “could be interpreted as the crass part of America talking to the Third World.”

Morons. In Romania, and elsewhere in the Eastern bloc, under communism, for years, out of necessity, people ate lard spread on dark bread. I bet that continues in those mountains, in the poor areas. There’s no one to ‘corrupt’, in a “crass” American way. The media is derelict for not fact checking, but that is stating the obvious. I have never, ever seen an objective report about that world.

On the topic of burgers, or any fast food – if one eats it now and then, whatever, if one eats it all the time…duhhhh, one gets fat – in America, and any other place.

Patronizing is the pass time of the liberal elites.

Entelechy on December 4, 2008 at 10:32 PM

You sound like an elitist dork.

Buford Gooch on December 4, 2008 at 10:30 PM

Because I assert that mainstream American culture is superior to that of villagers in Transylvania using donkey carts or people in rural Thailand using stone age tools? I suppose they are closer to nature than we are.

Sign of the Dollar on December 4, 2008 at 10:35 PM

Burger King is presenting these people as extremely backward people in some of the most remote (read primitive) locales.

Sign of the Dollar on December 4, 2008 at 10:31 PM

No, it’s the elites here who think these simple people can’t decide for themselves what to eat. Often they live way healthier than most of us, as they have their freshly grown vegetables, and naturally grown meats. So what if they taste, or eat, hamburgers, now and then? They’re not any smarter, nor dumber than the Huffpo crowd. Wait, I think they are waaaaay more clever.

Entelechy on December 4, 2008 at 10:36 PM

It would only be cruel and unusual if they were inflicting White Castle on those innocents abroad.

That would be wrong!

Mr. Joe on December 4, 2008 at 9:13 PM

Yeah, I’d be pretty mad if I ever find out I was eating rat burgers! ;-)

newton on December 4, 2008 at 10:38 PM

Because I assert that mainstream American culture is superior to that of villagers in Transylvania using donkey carts or people in rural Thailand using stone age tools? I suppose they are closer to nature than we are.

Sign of the Dollar on December 4, 2008 at 10:35 PM

You sound like are an elitist dork.

Buford Gooch on December 4, 2008 at 10:30 PM

Elitists are convinced they are so cultured, smart, and superior. Those peasants might not be as educated, but believe me, they are tougher than you, smart, hard-working, and clever. I also think they are better than you, who pretends to save them from themselves.

Entelechy on December 4, 2008 at 10:40 PM

This news pales in comparison to BK’s new Nintendo toy lineup

Greenhelmet on December 4, 2008 at 10:43 PM

Entelechy on December 4, 2008 at_____

+10 ₧, E.

hillbillyjim on December 4, 2008 at 10:52 PM

Because I assert that mainstream American culture is superior…?

No, because you seem hateful & full of contempt for people who happened to be born in a worse place than you.

jgapinoy on December 4, 2008 at 10:57 PM

How dare these people be given a choice! The outrage!

nitzsche on December 4, 2008 at 10:58 PM

so its hatred of america that leads them to attack burger king adds, by the way whoppers are damn good.

rob verdi on December 4, 2008 at 11:01 PM

You know,, I was watching this food tasting reality TV show yesterday. never watched it before. He was eating common food in Uganda. Even he was having a difficult time with the menu.
They eat a lot of rat and goat intestines over there. Bad stuff. But, he had an interesting statistic.
He said 80% of people in Uganda eat what they grow in their back yards or catch around their houses. When I heard that I was shocked! Then I realized that is exactly how the environmental Marxists want us to live!! Eat only local foods!

JellyToast on December 4, 2008 at 11:01 PM

Can we chalk this up as an attempt to appeal to Eastern European and Thai immigrants?

dglenn on December 4, 2008 at 11:05 PM

By the way, whoppervirgins.com really would be more fitting as a gonzo porn site.

Sign of the Dollar on December 4, 2008 at 10:25 PM

Get your mind out of the gutter.

But seriously though, this a clever ad campaign. At least the creepy BK dude isn’t in people’s beds when they wake up.

dglenn on December 4, 2008 at 11:08 PM

I prefer Wendy’s.

SouthernGent on December 4, 2008 at 11:13 PM

Elitists are convinced they are so cultured, smart, and superior. Those peasants might not be as educated, but believe me, they are tougher than you, smart, hard-working, and clever. I also think they are better than you, who pretends to save them from themselves.

Entelechy on December 4, 2008 at 10:40 PM

What gave you the impression that I want to save them from anything? I thought I was very clear about the fact that I do not even care if these people exist. Their simple, isolated lives are of no concern for me or anyone else in the West. To admire them because they are simple and lacking in civilization is absurd. I’m sure third world villagers have wonderful skills with which to deal with the pastoral realities of their daily lives, but our culture surpassed theirs centuries ago. I had an experience in my youth of being forced to engage in global volunteerism in the mountains of Jamaica, so I have seen these sorts of people first hand. There’s nothing to admire.

Sign of the Dollar on December 4, 2008 at 11:17 PM

No, because you seem hateful & full of contempt for people who happened to be born in a worse place than you.

jgapinoy on December 4, 2008 at 10:57 PM

I think you misinterpret who I’m directing contempt toward. It’s not toward the peasants, who I could care less about. It’s toward the Americans who would look to them for advice on our products. And I’ll give you some credit. At least you’ll admit that they were born in a “worse place”.

Sign of the Dollar on December 4, 2008 at 11:19 PM

SouthernGent on December 4, 2008 at 11:13 PM

I’m personally a fan of In-N-Out Burger. But Wendy’s is up there for fast food places as well.

dglenn on December 4, 2008 at 11:24 PM

Sign of the $, from other threads, you don’t seem to be an elitist of the Huffpo kind, who wishes to save those people from themselves, just someone who feels assured in his place in “civilization”.

Entelechy on December 4, 2008 at 11:32 PM

Sign of the Dollar on December 4, 2008 at 11:17 PM

Each sentence managed to surpass the previous one in sheer arrogance. Congratulations.

hillbillyjim on December 4, 2008 at 11:37 PM

That is one fancy hat.

Rhinoboy on December 4, 2008 at 11:41 PM

The Left to Burger King: “Hey, you can’t exploit foreigners and minorities! Only we can do that!”

evergreen on December 4, 2008 at 11:43 PM

The Left to Burger King: “Hey, you can’t exploit foreigners and minorities! Only we can do that!”

evergreen on December 4, 2008 at 11:43 PM

Indeed. They keep them ignorant from first grade, to all times, so they will always be ‘enslaved’, dependent, and will vote for them. They are really heartless and cruel bastards, in the name of power. The sheep follow.

Entelechy on December 4, 2008 at 11:46 PM

Did anybody ask for sloppy seconds?

Shy Guy on December 5, 2008 at 12:05 AM

Whitetop, in a way, that Hardee’s commercial made a bit of sense. At least in the South, Hardee’s had gotten the reputation of being fabulous for breakfast (true) and only so-so for lunch (also true). I don’t know if that’s changed because I haven’t gotten a burger at Hardee’s in probably 7 years.

Sausage Biscuits, on the other hand……..

Techie on December 5, 2008 at 12:19 AM

Yawn.

Mallard T. Drake on December 5, 2008 at 12:31 AM

I’ve seen these commercials air for about a week now. Clever concept…except for the horrors of villagers getting a free lunch, apparently.

James on December 5, 2008 at 12:32 AM

I have seen these sorts of people first hand. There’s nothing to admire.

You would most likely bitch if you went two days without email or the ability to make dumb posts on a blog.

Those people would survive the end of western civilization and continue with their “simple” existence. I would sooner be one of them than one of you any day.

Ciannaky on December 5, 2008 at 12:39 AM

I’m sure Socialist Worker will express outrage over American Imperialism/Capitalism among these natives. I’m sure they’ll compare the fast food experiment to “white men brining STDs to the new world”

Black Adam on December 5, 2008 at 12:42 AM

I’m highly offended by this chicanery!

Now bring on the Crucifix in a jar of urine.

/

omnipotent on December 5, 2008 at 12:55 AM

Elitists are convinced they are so cultured, smart, and superior. Those peasants might not be as educated, but believe me, they are tougher than you, smart, hard-working, and clever. I also think they are better than you, who pretends to save them from themselves.

Entelechy on December 4, 2008 at 10:40 PM

Indeed. They keep them ignorant from first grade, to all times, so they will always be ‘enslaved’, dependent, and will vote for them. They are really heartless and cruel bastards, in the name of power. The sheep follow.

Entelechy on December 4, 2008 at 11:46 PM

Exit Question: Multiple Personality Disorder, Bipolar or just a hypocrite?

omnipotent on December 5, 2008 at 1:08 AM

I wonder what the North Koreans think of this……………………..?

Seven Percent Solution on December 5, 2008 at 1:14 AM

Exit Question: Multiple Personality Disorder, Bipolar or just a hypocrite?

omnipotent on December 5, 2008 at 1:08 AM

Did you consider first-hand observations from personal experience?

hillbillyjim on December 5, 2008 at 1:34 AM

hillbillyjim on December 5, 2008 at 1:34 AM

Ok, let me dumb it down for you:

Peasants = awesome
Foreigners and minorities = brainless sheeple

and Entelecty is calling out Sign of the $ for being an elitist.

Just seems all over the map to me, but I’ve had a few Smithwick’s.

omnipotent on December 5, 2008 at 2:37 AM

Ok, let me dumb it down for you:

Let me break it down for you, omnipotent.

Her first paragraph is informed by the fact that she is an emigre from Romania, so she has first-hand knowledge of that which she speaks.

Her second paragraph is informed by the fact that she encounters everyday proof of her assertions in her vocation.

So she was speaking in both cases from personal experience; nothing to do with bi-polar, MPD or hypocracy.

Get it?

hillbillyjim on December 5, 2008 at 2:56 AM

Effin’ hypocrisy.

hillbillyjim on December 5, 2008 at 3:03 AM

best caption ever.

Reaps on December 5, 2008 at 4:51 AM

Libs hate it because they hate America and have this enormous guilt complex about being American. Nothing we do, say or have can be good for the rest of the world, so let’s isolate the world from our “evil” influence.
Mindless fart stains.

SKYFOX on December 5, 2008 at 4:55 AM

What ever happened to excellence setting the standard?

Sign of the Dollar on December 4, 2008 at 10:20 PM

Yes. Anyone who wonders which is better between a Whopper and a Big Mac has apparently never eaten at Whataburger. Of course, the best burgers are at places like Fuddrucker’s or Chili’s, but in the fast food chain category, BK and McD occupy the lowest two rungs of the ladder.

Kafir on December 5, 2008 at 7:04 AM

farmers in the Transylvania region of Romania, the Hmong tribe of Thailand, and other folks in far-flung places

My bet would be these people are more aware of the world, healthier and happier then the average barry voter.

peacenprosperity on December 5, 2008 at 7:17 AM

Yes. Anyone who wonders which is better between a Whopper and a Big Mac has apparently never eaten at Whataburger. Of course, the best burgers are at places like Fuddrucker’s or Chili’s, but in the fast food chain category, BK and McD occupy the lowest two rungs of the ladder.

Kafir on December 5, 2008 at 7:04 AM

I find that usually the best burgers are from places you never heard of. Tahe the Hamburger Inn in Delaware OH for instance. Those burgers give me the Homer Simpson drool…

loudmouth883 on December 5, 2008 at 7:28 AM

This is a commercial. These are actors hired to play a part, not actual villagers. If you notice, you never actually see the actors biting into and chewing the burger. This is not done in commercials, since 1. The food can go bad,take after take after take, under the hot lights. 2. Sometimes it is dressed up to look pretty for the camera (the food that is – so it really isn’t edible). 3. If the food is biten into, there is a cup provided to the actor to split the food out. I just can’t believe in this day and age that there would be people who actually believe a commercial. To top that off for third world residents they looked pretty prosperous.

Not checked for speeling errors.

Little Nell on December 5, 2008 at 7:35 AM

Uh, last time I looked Burger King was a British chain.

Coronagold on December 5, 2008 at 7:59 AM

Oh and loudmouth, Rudd*uckers suck.

Coronagold on December 5, 2008 at 8:00 AM

I really am surprised that “Whoppervirgins.com” wasn’t already taken…

Lehosh on December 5, 2008 at 8:01 AM

My liberal mentor is still asleep so I will have to wait to find out how I feel about these adds.

I know the “I am Man” one was pretty darn hateful and disrespectful to everyone but white males and I suspect that this series will be pretty much hateful and disrespectful to everyone but white males.

jmarcure on December 5, 2008 at 8:16 AM

Clogged arteries – not just for Westerners any more.

Bigfoot on December 5, 2008 at 9:17 AM

When I saw the title “Whopper Virgin ads”, I was expecting to see promos for a new spin-off from “The Biggest Loser”.

pilamaye on December 5, 2008 at 9:35 AM

I need a whopper like Britney Speers needs panties, I need a whopper like Nicole Ritchie needs 2 pounds. (F bomb language warning)

Alden Pyle on December 5, 2008 at 9:47 AM

I’m part Romanian and find nothing wrong with this. And as for Romanians having a low meat diet that is nonsense, they were only low flesh consumers because communists screwed up livestock production like they screw everything else up (see Zimbabwe for example). Righteous BK ads, the fact that libs are screaming is a true measure to its propriety and genius.

eaglewingz08 on December 5, 2008 at 11:16 AM

What about the BK ad where the kids go to a Wendy’s and are asked if they want a baked potato and the guy comments, “Are we in Russia?” Where is the outrage over BK inciting a new cold war with that ad?

grdred944 on December 5, 2008 at 11:26 AM

Look at all the millions in free publicity.

Crispen = genius. Again.

Dave Rywall on December 5, 2008 at 1:23 PM

Just send the creepy guy in the Burger King mask to scare the HuffPo bloggers.

Yeah, those are some seriously creepy commercials. I love the “What is this, Russia?” ad, though.

rightwingprof on December 5, 2008 at 1:49 PM

I WISH I’D NEVER BEEN BROILED!!!

rhodeymark on December 5, 2008 at 2:21 PM

When did Romania get demoted to the third world? It used to be part of the Soviet Bloc and, last I heard, it was part of the European Union.

JackOfClubs on December 5, 2008 at 4:34 PM

The folk costume of the guy from the far North of Romania is what caught my eye (the dinky lampshade hat is the giveaway). The beef in the MacDonald’s burgers we had a few years ago in Brasov (Transylvania) was absolutely awesome–way superior to the squishy crap they serve here.

dufflepud on December 5, 2008 at 4:44 PM

mmmmmmm…Tommy’s

BillH on December 5, 2008 at 8:45 PM

dang- the Homer drool tags didn’t work

BillH on December 5, 2008 at 8:46 PM

My life has spanned 75 years and I’ve ate everything that didn’t eat me. We grew up on cornbread and beans, bacon and eggs for breakfast, pork chops in the good times and just the cornbread in the lean times with beans. Give me Big Macs and Whoppers, Wendies or what ever with a large order of fries. Man, these are the good times—Let’em roll !

Herb on December 5, 2008 at 9:03 PM