A DC lawyer with some connections told me that he was surprised that the cases got this far. He also said that the liberals seem pressured and worried. I did not get a reading on how close these guys were to “official Washington”.

I would like to lie but I will not.

However, I am getting a sense that someone thinks he is guilty — based on the buzz and moves around DC.

Interestingly, his reporter apparently never researched the confidentiality of birth records in Hawaii before quoting the official. Carne supplies a link to the odious article from The Chicage Tribune and I encourage any brothers or sisters here with strong stomachs to check it out.

The words spoken here do NOT back up the contention in the first paragraph of: The director of Hawaii’s Department of Health confirmed on Friday what Barack Obama has been saying all along: the presidential candidate was born in Honolulu.

She DID NOT SAY THIS.. read carefully!

Gil on December 6, 2008 at 11:21 AM

Gil – You are exactly right on the weasel wording. Keep in mind that Obama is a liberal Leftist Lawyer LLL just like Billy Jeff Clinton. Remember Clinton Wagging his finger in our faces and saying “I did not have sexual relations with That Woman .. Miss Lewinsky”.. Meanwhile he had been wagging something else in monica’s face all along.

He defended himself with a tortured exercise that BJs and Cigar insertions were not ‘sexual relations’..

SO, when dealing with LLLs be VERY careful. They will use semantics just like this to lie like a cheap rug. Saying that it is a valid document does NOT prove eligibility. As Gil said, the press release is just enough to be able to say “Oh but I told you the truth.. Sorry if you were so stupid that you misinterpreted it”

Update: From October 31:
The director of Hawaii’s Department of Health confirmed on Friday what Barack Obama has been saying all along: the presidential candidate was born in Honolulu.

“There have been numerous requests for Sen. Barack Hussein Obama’s official birth certificate,” said Chiyome Fukino. “State law prohibits the release of a certified birth certificate to persons who do not have a tangible interest in the vital record.”

Citing her statutory authority to oversee and maintain Hawaii’s vital records, Fukino said she has “personally seen and verified that the Hawaii State Department of Health has Sen. Obama’s original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures.

“No state official, including Gov. Linda Lingle, has ever instructed that this vital record be handled in a manner different from any other vital record in the possession of the State of Hawaii,” Fukino added.

The first statement that Obama was born in Hawaii IS NOT bourne out by the statements made in quotation marks. It is INFERRED. What the official actually SAID was, she has “personally seen and verified that the Hawaii State Department of Health has Sen. Obama’s original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures.

To say YES, I saw it and have verified it exists and is on record.. is NOT the same as saying Obama was born in Hawaii. That is PRESUMED in this passage. If Hillary Clinton told you.. “I saw it, just trust me” would you believe her? Why should we take some biased person’s opinion as though it is the truth? Cannot the courts determine the truth of the matter? Is it wrong to want to know the complete TRUTH?

The way the statement quoted above reads, she has covered herself if ever it is disclosed by law to the Supreme Court. She can say, “I never said he was natural born or even born in the United States. I only said that I had SEEN the certificate and it was a valid certificate, Your Honor.”

The words spoken here do NOT back up the contention in the first paragraph of: The director of Hawaii’s Department of Health confirmed on Friday what Barack Obama has been saying all along: the presidential candidate was born in Honolulu.

She DID NOT SAY THIS.. read carefully!

There should be on some legal form all the required documents for what is required to prove legitimacy for POTUS.

If you want to get a passport, you have listed in the application form what documents you need to provide.

If all BHO has provided was a re-printed copy of a COLB, then someone in the higher courts must rule that a COLB is suffice for any and all to prove natural born citizenship.

This is just ridiculous that BHO, cannot and will not provide anything more than a COLB.

Ok, this comment is :

Now Due

Imagine or even pretend it was a conservative Republican trying to pull this. Presenting just a few pieces of paper as his records.

I wonder if Hollywood, the Drive-by media, academics and the ’sunshine and transparency’ fans in the liberal blogs would have the same quiet and comfortable attitude?

Investigative journalists live for this — if it happens on the right.

IlikedAUH2O on December 5, 2008 at 12:54 PM

The loony left beleived the damn dan blather false docs on bush, why would they NOT beleive this doc?
But I read that mccain had released his BC because of a law suit like this one.
AS HE SHOULD HAVE. If he has won and didnt release the BC , I would be screaming the same thing!
its the LAW, PASS OR PLAY.

“This has gotten ridiculous,” state health director Dr. Chiyome Fukino said yesterday. “There are plenty of other, important things to focus on, like the economy, taxes, energy.”

These, temporary, issues are more important than the very foundation of the United States of America? Hmmmmm!

Get half way through a campaign only to find out that their standard bearer is ineligible to the position. It would seem to be incumbent on the party to validate/certify that their candidate is eligible for the position.

Dr. Dog on December 5, 2008 at 5:11 PM

Hea, maybe he is “natural born”, but that begs for the question…
Where was Malcolm X in early Dec of 1960? (tongue in cheek)

However I do have two observations –

1) The Constitution has the provision of ‘natural born citizen’ in it. Fine, but what is the PROCESS that validates that someone is eligible? Name me the department and person whose function it is to discharge the validation of the candidate? So far I have not been able to find that person. The only reason the SCOTUS is involved is a series of lawsuits, but I find it hard to believe the Founders would have suggested that SCOTUS is the arbiter of such inquiry without a lawsuit.

So in 250 years there is no stop gap measure to prevent a usurper to potentially become President? Hard to believe.

2) The comments in (1) I would suggest should also apply to the supporting party. How foolish would a party be to blow millions of dollars. Get half way through a campaign only to find out that their standard bearer is ineligible to the position. It would seem to be incumbent on the party to validate/certify that their candidate is eligible for the position.

Goes to show how low we have sunk. When the country started the Founders probably never considered that someone would stoop so low as to usurp a position they were not qualifed for. Now I could envision it happening. Such is our society today and no safeguards to prevent it, it appears.

scrubjay on December 5, 2008 at 8:13 AM

One more point — Kenya has sealed Obama’s records. Why would Kenya have any records to seal on someone who was not born in Kenya? Does Kenya keep records on everyone who was born in Hawaii?

Most excellent point, seems to be 100% ignored by all those who put down those pursuing the BC issue.

The documentation of such lockage is over at WND – it happened when Jerome Corsi visited Kenya to go over the records. I can’t find a good link now.

marti124 on December 5, 2008 at 9:31 AM

When he was adopted by the Indonesian, he likely generated Indonesian birth records as well. That’s the way it works here if you adopt a child from abroad.

No, but until the SC addresses the issue it will keep coming back to haunt us. Personally, I can’t think of a more important case, or a more perfect opportunity to deal with the issue than this one.

There are a lot of people who are no fans of the ‘natural born’ clause, and would love to see it undone. Which may be what O wishes to precipitate. I would prefer the court address it at a time of their choosing, rather than when it may thrust upon them at some future date.

This was written 20 years ago, but offers many great cites along with an approach to resolve the question at hand.

http://yalelawjournal.org/images/pdfs/pryor_note.pdf

In a more current post, The Federalist blog has some similar points to make.

http://federalistblog.us/2008/11/natural-born_citizen_defined.html#more

IlikedAUH2O on December 5, 2008 at 12:54 PM

Exactly! the double standard here is sickening. In my opinion, th emedia is the biggest culprit here. Fourth Estate my ass! They become a cartoon, a bunch of cheerleaders for Democrats, attack dogs against Republicans. Journalist is right below Community Organizer in my view.