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The sadly obligatory SCOTUS birth-certificate post

posted at 10:20 am on December 4, 2008 by Ed Morrissey
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The Chicago Tribune briefly revives the Obama-birth-certificate kerfuffle in an update today, if only to throw more cold water on it.  Tomorrow, the Supreme Court confabs over whether to grant a review to Leo Donofrio’s lawsuit after having it rejected in district and appellate courts:

The U.S. Supreme Court will consider Friday whether to take up a lawsuit challenging President-elect Barack Obama’s U.S. citizenship, a continuation of a New Jersey case embraced by some opponents of Obama’s election.

The meeting of justices will coincide with a vigil by the filer’s supporters in Washington on the steps of the nation’s highest court.

The suit originally sought to stay the election, and was filed on behalf of Leo Donofrio against New Jersey Secretary of State Nina Mitchell Wells. …

The Obama campaign has maintained that he was born in Hawaii, has an authentic birth certificate, and is a “natural-born” U.S. citizen. Hawaiian officials agree.

The latest buzz surrounds the decision by Clarence Thomas to circulate the appeal petition to the entire court after David Souter rejected it immediately.  That really doesn’t mean much, as the Tribune explains.  Of the 842 petitions circulated in that manner, only 60 got a spot on the court calendar, and not all of those succeeded.  Thomas may have been interested in the technical aspects of the suit rather than the merits, or perhaps it was a slow week.

It does, however, make it news, no matter how much some of us wish it would go away.  The state of Hawaii has repeatedly insisted that their records show Obama was born in Hawaii, as the Certificate of Live Birth states.  The COLB would get any Hawaii native an American passport with no questions asked, even without the official endorsement of the Republican governor and her Department of Health.  There is even a contemporaneous birth announcement in a local paper confirming it.

I’m sure the comments section will fill with various conspiracy theories over Indonesian school records, Kenyan births, and so on.  None of it — absolutely none — has any real, solid evidence showing that Obama was born anywhere else than Hawaii apart from sheer speculation and hearsay, and even less evidence that Obama’s stepfather renounced Obama’s birthright citizenship, which he didn’t have the power to do anyway.  It’s a conspiracy theory spun by conspiracy theorists (Philip Berg is a 9/11 truther) who use their normal thresholds of evidence for this meme.

Unfortunately, the Supreme Court can’t kill the conspiracy theories.  It can only kill the lawsuits, which is what they will almost certainly do tomorrow when they meet.

Update: From October 31:

The director of Hawaii’s Department of Health confirmed on Friday what Barack Obama has been saying all along: the presidential candidate was born in Honolulu.

“There have been numerous requests for Sen. Barack Hussein Obama’s official birth certificate,” said Chiyome Fukino. “State law prohibits the release of a certified birth certificate to persons who do not have a tangible interest in the vital record.”

Citing her statutory authority to oversee and maintain Hawaii’s vital records, Fukino said she has “personally seen and verified that the Hawaii State Department of Health has Sen. Obama’s original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures.

“No state official, including Gov. Linda Lingle, has ever instructed that this vital record be handled in a manner different from any other vital record in the possession of the State of Hawaii,” Fukino added.

Update II: From the comments, a link to Donofrio’s explanation:

“Don’t be distracted by the birth certificate and Indonesia issues. They are irrelevant to Senator Obama’s ineligibility to be President. Since Barack Obama’s father was a Citizen of Kenya and therefore subject to the jurisdiction of the United Kingdom at the time of Senator Obama’s birth, then Senator Obama was a British Citizen “at birth”, just like the Framers of the Constitution, and therefore, even if he were to produce an original birth certificate proving he were born on US soil, he still wouldn’t be eligible to be President.

The Framers of the Constitution, at the time of their birth, were also British Citizens and that’s why the Framers declared that, while they were Citizens of the United States, they themselves were not “natural born Citizens”.

Hence their inclusion of the grandfather clause in Article 2, Section 1, Clause 5 of the Constitution: No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution shall be eligible to the Office of President; That’s it right there. (Emphasis added.)

If so, this is an even dumber argument than first thought.  The children of immigrants born in this country are ineligible to be President?  Since when does “natural born” refer to the parents of citizens?  Natural born means the person at question was born in US territory, and it always has.  Immigration-enforcement activists have been trying to change that definition to eliminate the “anchor babies” issue.

Also, adoption only changes the parentage on the birth certificate, not the place, date, or time of birth.  I’ve done an adoption myself and can personally attest to that fact.  If Obama had been adopted by Mr. Soetero, Hawaii would only have changed the father’s name on the record — and since Barack Obama Sr has been listed on the birth certificate, it appears that Mr. Soetero didn’t adopt Obama anyway.

Update III: As a rebuttal to Update 1, this from the comments:

The paper lied on purpose. The HI Dept of health went of its way to say everything but that. They do have his original birth certificate, but from where?

The State of Hawaii only keeps birth certificates from births in Hawaii.  The State of California only keeps birth certificates from births in California, Minnesota only keeps those from births in Minnesota, and so on. They don’t store information on births outside of their state.  Why would they bother to do that?  Use some common sense.

Update IV: The Honolulu Advertiser reported on the Dept. of Health statement on November 1 in a little more detail:

State Health Department employees continue to be barraged by requests from people demanding to see Barack Obama’s birth certificate, including some who have called the department’s registrar of vital statistics at home — in the middle of the night.

“This has gotten ridiculous,” state health director Dr. Chiyome Fukino said yesterday. “There are plenty of other, important things to focus on, like the economy, taxes, energy.”

So, in what likely will be a vain attempt to halt the inquiries, Fukino yesterday issued a statement saying that she and the registrar of vital statistics personally inspected Obama’s birth certificate and found it to be valid.

Will this be enough to quiet the doubters?

“I hope so,” Fukino said. “We need to get some work done.”

Fukino issued her statement to try to stomp out persistent rumors that Obama was not born in Honolulu — and is therefore not a U.S. citizen and thus ineligible to run for president.

Fukino, however, repeated the Health Department’s position that state law prohibits her or any other officials from actually releasing the birth certificate, which Obama’s campaign says shows he was born in Honolulu on Aug. 4, 1961.

“There have been numerous requests for Sen. Barack Hussein Obama’s official birth certificate,” Fukino said in the statement. “State law (Hawai’i Revised Statutes ¤338-18) prohibits the release of a certified birth certificate to persons who do not have a tangible interest in the vital record. … No state official, including Gov. Linda Lingle, has ever instructed that this vital record be handled in a manner different from any other vital record in the possession of the State of Hawai’i.”

I guess they’ll have to wait a little longer to get any work done.


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I blame Bush!

playblu on December 4, 2008 at 10:24 AM

Thomas may have been interested in the technical aspects of the suit rather than the merits, or perhaps it was a slow week.

Or this way the SCt. can say “we’ve looked at it, and there is no merit to this. Barack Obama is constitutionally qualified* to be president, and come Jan. 20th, he will be president. Get over it nutjobs.”

*Although he really isn’t experienced enough to be president. Hence the Clinton 3rd term.

rbj on December 4, 2008 at 10:27 AM

While this has been a tiresome episode, it seems to me that any and all persons seeking the highest office should provide evidence to support their eligibility for the office.

The same goes for voter registrations; Self declaration of citizenship does not seem to be satisfactory in this day and age.

Dasher on December 4, 2008 at 10:27 AM

While I agree this basically will fizzle out, why doesn’t he just release it to shut everyone up? Not doing so just looks bad, like there’s something to hide.

Seriously, it’s not like there’s anything on there he doesn’t want us to know…

frode on December 4, 2008 at 10:27 AM

I hope it never goes away, anything to make this dirtbag squirm.

Alden Pyle on December 4, 2008 at 10:28 AM

Just show the damn certificate. All this hush hush with the certificate causes such doubts.

jencab on December 4, 2008 at 10:28 AM

Ed, if there is nothing to hide then why won’t Obama just show the long-form Certificate of Birth. Hawaii doesn’t even accept its own Certification of Live Birth for official proof for their Hawaii Homes Progam (or whatever it’s called).

Whether there is anything to this or not, if he doesn’t get transparent and just cough up the goods then his upcoming presidency will be even more tainted.

It’s easy. Just show us, through the courts not freaking KOS or factcheck.org, the birth certificate. End of story.

mrsmwp on December 4, 2008 at 10:29 AM

Makes me wonder if Obama was being crafty and dragging the whole thing out to make the right look unhinged…

ErikTheRed on December 4, 2008 at 10:29 AM

This whole election process- from the extremely poor choice of candidates to the MSM being in the tank to the wide spread voter fraud – has been one of the exasperating (didn’t want to swear here) ever. The whole world must be laughing at the US. Not that I care what people the world over think.

Tommy_G on December 4, 2008 at 10:29 AM

While he’s at it he ought to release his medical records, his tax records and his college records. If he’s gonna be our president we ought to finally get to know who he is and what he’s been up to.

Alden Pyle on December 4, 2008 at 10:29 AM

OK, here’s the rub.

When asked to produce a birth certificate to get a drivers license, we do it easily.

Why hasn’t he just done this? Was it to have the courts determine that citizens don’t have the constitutional standing to ask these questions, or was he trying to give the tinfoil hat brigade something else to ponder?

But instead of spending a very small fee to get the requested vault copy and going on with the process of cabinet selection, he doesn’t comply and pays a lot of lawyer fees?

WEIRD.

Marine_Bio on December 4, 2008 at 10:29 AM

Yawn.

perroviejo on December 4, 2008 at 10:29 AM

If Obamasiah has nothing to hide, then release the document.

If he is not eligible to be the president elect then he does not take office. If the consitution does not mean anything to the dems or the supremes then lets have anarchy and it is survival of the fittest and those who have the guns and the will to use them.

Kuffar on December 4, 2008 at 10:30 AM

What I find curious about this whole thing is that the Left is calling the people pushing this story “nuts”.

Yet 4 years ago, it was the Left that angrily demanded every single scrap of paper re. Bush’s Air National Guard service. At the same time, they happily ignored the fact that their own candidate refused to release all of his military records to the public. They then all went out and voted for that guy. By the way, did you know that he served in Vietnam? And Cambodia.

That’s a double standard large enough to sail an aircraft carrier through.

Del Dolemonte on December 4, 2008 at 10:30 AM

Knowing nothing about this kerfuffle, if that is indeed the correct term, where’s the link to a JPEG of his birth certificate? Isn’t that grist for the mill? Did I say something wrong? I’m not talking out of turn here, am I? My bad if I am. Really, is there some legal problem to showing a copy of his birth certificate? Like how you’re not supposed to copy dollar bills? Not even going to MENTION those Presidents on the dollar bills look NOTHING like Obama. Not even close!

Paul-Cincy on December 4, 2008 at 10:31 AM

I take it things were going to well since you got back from California and you were feeling the need to have the extremists beat you up a bit this morning? In case you haven’t heard, the new hot story is how Obama will refuse to release pictures of the alien autopsy to Kucinitch. The COLB is so last month.

Jazz Shaw on December 4, 2008 at 10:31 AM

And so, once again, the Supreme Court will install a President. :D

(It’s a JOKE!)

Skywise on December 4, 2008 at 10:32 AM

Oh, God. Now he’s Scottish?

Dan Collins on December 4, 2008 at 10:33 AM

Unfortunately, the Supreme Court can’t kill the conspiracy theories. It can only kill the lawsuits, which is what they will almost certainly do tomorrow when they meet.

That’s actually why I’d want them to take the case, to hopefully set these people straight once and for all. If it’s dismissed, those people will still cry about it.

Esthier on December 4, 2008 at 10:33 AM

Just show the damn certificate. All this hush hush with the certificate causes such doubts.

jencab on December 4, 2008 at 10:28 AM

Ditto. Agreeance. Absolutely. All he has to do is show the damned records. He has done nothing but hide and suppress information about himself and it got him elected. He is our future president, the American people deserve to see the proof. Obama can make this go away by producing the documents.

If it’s not a big deal, why the heck did he have his records sealed during his trip to Hawaii when visiting his ill grandmother? Obama’s long documented history of deceptive behavior and his willingness to do anything and everything shady he can to get elected makes this an issue. This isn’t truther bullS***, it’s common sense.

Sorry Ed, but I disagree with you on this. Obama’s past dictates the need for this investigation.

cannonball on December 4, 2008 at 10:34 AM

I with other posters who agree this shouldn’t go away until that dirtbag ponies up the certificate. As long as he keeps quiet about it and refuses to show it, I’ll always believe he has something to hide. And I hope people continue to bring this up until he cracks.

jennifernaz on December 4, 2008 at 10:34 AM

I had to submit 30 pages of information, plus birth certificate, passport, d.l. etc to obtain a secret clearance.

Could, Obama, pass a secret clearance?

James on December 4, 2008 at 10:35 AM

Ed, you’re right.

This isn’t going anywhere and unless somebody comes up with something tangible and authoritative, anybody pushing this issue looks bad.

Yeah, the MSM was in the tank and didn’t raise timely questions. Couldda, wouldda, shouldda. It’s all water over the dam now.

EconomicNeocon on December 4, 2008 at 10:36 AM

I had to submit 30 pages of information, plus birth certificate, passport, d.l. etc to obtain a secret clearance.

Could, Obama, pass a secret clearance?

James on December 4, 2008 at 10:35 AM

Absolutely not.

cannonball on December 4, 2008 at 10:36 AM

I do believe this is a non-issue but HYPOTHETICALLY, what would happen if the courts took up this case and determined he was not a citizen? Does our constitution have a provision for the process of electing the non-eligible? Would Joe Biden go into Acting President (the obligatory God Forbid)?

sherry on December 4, 2008 at 10:37 AM

Where are the health records, the college transcripts, travel visa to Pakistan in 1981? Lots of unanswered questions.

James on December 4, 2008 at 10:37 AM

Unfortunately, the Supreme Court can’t kill the conspiracy theories. It can only kill the lawsuits, which is what they will almost certainly do tomorrow when they meet.

Maybe the Supreme Court has an interest in taking up the lawsuit as a matter of Constitutional jurisprudence. Not that I think Obama was borne anywhere by Hawaii… just that the Supreme Court could use this as an opportunity to settle the long-debated “natural borne” controversy.

Lehosh on December 4, 2008 at 10:37 AM

I had to submit 30 pages of information, plus birth certificate, passport, d.l. etc to obtain a secret clearance.

Could, Obama, pass a secret clearance?

James on December 4, 2008 at 10:35 AM

Absolutely not.

cannonball on December 4, 2008 at 10:36 AM

But sadly, as an elected official, this does not matter.

Marine_Bio on December 4, 2008 at 10:38 AM

If nothing to hide,

THEN RELEASE THE DOCUMENT.

HYTEAndy on December 4, 2008 at 10:38 AM

Case is NOT just about Obama.

There was a candidate from a third party who was on the ballot for President in some states, who was born in Guatamala. Clearly not a Natural Born Citizen… and yet was on the ballot…

Case is about who VETS the candidates for the Constitutional requirment?

Congress does not. Electoral College does not have subpeona power. Outgoing Administration does not. So what agency is there to ensure that the candidates meet the Constitutional Req?

Because as the OTHER candidate showed… it clearly is not working.

Romeo13 on December 4, 2008 at 10:38 AM

I had to provide a certified copy of my birth certificate to get a license, go to college, join the military, and get a civilian job. I had to provide high school transcripts to get into college, for my scholarship and to get into the military. I had to provide college transcripts to get into grad school.

Why can’t the man who is about to enter the office of the President of the United States be required to do the same?!?!?! Why can’t he be expected to do what the average citizen has no problem doing?

rbb on December 4, 2008 at 10:38 AM

There is so much misinformation regarding Donofrio’s case. Donofrio doesn’t care where Obama was born — his claim is that Obama had dual citizenship at birth thus disqualifying him for the presidency. Go to his website if you want to learn more.

http://naturalborncitizen.wordpress.com/

TeleL on December 4, 2008 at 10:38 AM

If there is nothing wrong with his birth certificate, why would he have the records sealed, unless he is just an arrogant jerk?

If there is nothing out of the ordinary in his education history, why is that not public? Even if he is innocent in these matters, it is the perception of subterfuge that is hurting him.

If everything is okay, just release your records. The other presidents did.

kingsjester on December 4, 2008 at 10:39 AM

*anywhere but Hawaii

Lehosh on December 4, 2008 at 10:39 AM

To everyone asking why he won’t show it, it’s entirely possible that he doesn’t have it. Not everyone keeps a copy with them. I didn’t have mine until I got married.

Obama produced records that were consider sufficient at the time, and an announcement from the time of his birth was also produced. What do people expect to find here?

Esthier on December 4, 2008 at 10:40 AM

Unfortunately, the Supreme Court can’t kill the conspiracy theories. It can only kill the lawsuits, which is what they will almost certainly do tomorrow when they meet.

Might want to read up on the case a bit. It started with the Conspiricy stuff… but it has legs because of the other candidates involved.

Romeo13 on December 4, 2008 at 10:40 AM

I do believe this is a non-issue but HYPOTHETICALLY, what would happen if the courts took up this case and determined he was not a citizen? Does our constitution have a provision for the process of electing the non-eligible? Would Joe Biden go into Acting President (the obligatory God Forbid)?

sherry on December 4, 2008 at 10:37 AM

That’s an interesting question. The VP would be the choice, but when the constitution was written, that meant the #2 guy from the election. If that means that McCain would be president, I can only imagine the riots.

Marine_Bio on December 4, 2008 at 10:40 AM

” why won’t Obama just show the long-form Certificate of Birth.”

A-MEN!

It’s the evasion that is the problem here — i am willing to believe that duh1 did indeed emerge from the womb in my fair city, but i want him to PROVE it! he has NOT done so yet!!!!!!

Buckaroo on December 4, 2008 at 10:41 AM

I’ve always thought that this birth certificate fight was specious.

What I’ve wondered about is whether or not Obama traveled abroad with an Indonesian passport after age 18. As I understand U.S. law regarding citizenship (two of my kids were born overseas), the U.S. does not recognize dual citizenship, so the use of a foreign passport after the age of 18 would be considered an overt act renouncing U.S. citizenship.

I admit that I’m not an attorney, so my analysis could be way off, but I find this question far more interesting than where the guy was born.

CantCureStupid on December 4, 2008 at 10:41 AM

absolutely right it’s tiresome. it’s tiresome he hasn’t produced the birth certificate. this is an issue, not from the right, but because of his own grandmother’s words.

bloghooligan on December 4, 2008 at 10:41 AM

Look, folks, what’s even the best case scenario for this?

Let’s say that this thing pans out and Obama’s not qualified. Keyes’ lawsuit is successful, and so’s everyone else’s. So what? Votes choose electors, not presidents. In this case, Obama drops off the ticket and the electors are still Democrats. And that means…

President Biden. No thanks, people.

KingGold on December 4, 2008 at 10:42 AM

I hope it never goes away, anything to make this dirtbag squirm.

Alden Pyle on December 4, 2008 at 10:28 AM

agree

pseudonominus on December 4, 2008 at 10:44 AM

What is not true about the following from WND:
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Again, I will state a simple fact: No one in my industry knows with certainty where Obama was born or even, for that matter, who his parents were. The only public record that could establish those facts beyond dispute – a legitimate and complete birth certificate – is being purposely concealed by Obama, and the so-called watchdogs in the press are going along for the ride.

FactsofLife on December 4, 2008 at 10:45 AM

Are we absolutely sure that Hawaii is a real state?

Kasper Hauser on December 4, 2008 at 10:46 AM

The same goes for voter registrations; Self declaration of citizenship does not seem to be satisfactory in this day and age.

Dasher on December 4, 2008 at 10:27 AM

Everyone, he has released his birth certificate…it has been made public, and deemed legal, correct.
Here
The dept of health services (who oversees these things in Hawaii) had certified it as being legit.
Others, who are Hawaiian citizens, have identical birth certificates, identical.

right2bright on December 4, 2008 at 10:46 AM

While he’s at it he ought to release his medical records, his tax records and his college records.

Democrats do not do this because the media does not raise a stink when they stonewall on it. On the other hand, when Republicans are a couple of days late in doing it, they generate public outrage. You as a voter do not run this country, nor do your elected representatives run this country – the media does, and liberals and unrepentent leftists run the media.

drunyan8315 on December 4, 2008 at 10:46 AM

KingGold. That’s where you’re wrong. Voters choose electors who are sworn to uphold the Constitution in their vote for president. If anyone is shown to not be elligible, then the electors can NOT case their ballot for that person. That vote does not happen until Dec. 15.

UnderstandingisPower on December 4, 2008 at 10:47 AM

A little off topic but about the constitution. Jeff Toobin on CNN talking about Hillary and the emoluments clause in the constitution. He basically blew it off as unimportant. Also, said that no citizen would have standing to sue. How can a citizen not have standing for the gov’t to uphold the constitution?

roux on December 4, 2008 at 10:47 AM

I thought Barry was born in a manger in Bethlehem?

Of course he is not eligible for POTUS.

DeweyWins on December 4, 2008 at 10:48 AM

If he won’t produce it or unseal the records or do whatever must be done, I’m not going to pity him for being hammered by conspiracy nuts with this question. I don’t think its too much to ask that the leader of the free world provide proper credentials.

thecountofincognito on December 4, 2008 at 10:49 AM

Here’s a thought. Why doesn’t the arrogant prick simply release his birth certificate instead of making a federal case of it?

The Obama campaign preemptively smeared McCain for being born in Panama and he coughed up.

DANEgerus on December 4, 2008 at 10:49 AM

And slightly off-topic over here for anyone who doesn’t read the headlines. The BC challenge is not the only trouble Obama may be headed for. PUMA PAC took it upon themselves to go through every contribution from all 50 states on a state-by-state basis. What they found is $166 million in unaccounted for donations, $25 million that was contributed without trace. And direct evidence of money laundering.

To see more, go here:

http://pumapac.org/2008/12/04/wheres-the-money/#comment-252490

UnderstandingisPower on December 4, 2008 at 10:49 AM

I have learned that Leo Donofrio has new a star witness.
Bigfoot will testify that he was the midwife as Obama was born in the woods just north of the Canada/Montana border.

jgapinoy on December 4, 2008 at 10:49 AM

To everyone asking why he won’t show it, it’s entirely possible that he doesn’t have it. Not everyone keeps a copy with them. I didn’t have mine until I got married.

Obama produced records that were consider sufficient at the time, and an announcement from the time of his birth was also produced. What do people expect to find here?

Esthier on December 4, 2008 at 10:40 AM

Sorry, this won’t wash… he was in Hawaii himself AFTER this became an issue… and could also have directed any Lawyer he hired to get a copy. He has spent WAY more money fighting this in court, than it would have cost him to get a lawyer to get a copy of his long form birth cert.

I just got one for my son… cost me $72 to get it expedited from California… took THREE DAYS.

How many times have we heard… its not the crime, its the coverup?

Key is that they want to quash discovery… because its pretty settled that Barrys Mom took Indonesian citizenship when she married Soetero… giving up both her and Barrys American Citizenship (can be argued in court, as there are many court rulings on this)… The Natural Born status however has not been legaly defined… which is the problem, and at the root of the current case.

Romeo13 on December 4, 2008 at 10:50 AM

The resistance to disclosure is what makes this interesting. Is it just pigheadedness or something else?

Mason on December 4, 2008 at 10:50 AM

KingGold. That’s where you’re wrong. Voters choose electors who are sworn to uphold the Constitution in their vote for president. If anyone is shown to not be elligible, then the electors can NOT case their ballot for that person. That vote does not happen until Dec. 15.

UnderstandingisPower on December 4, 2008 at 10:47 AM

And I suspect that due to the original intent of this constitutional clause, the election went to the VP if the elected president was determined to be unqualified, it isn’t Biden if Obama were to be deemed unqualified. The VP used to be the #2 guy on election day. What kind of blowback would there be if that was the case, and McCain was the president?

Marine_Bio on December 4, 2008 at 10:51 AM

UnderstandingisPower on December 4, 2008 at 10:47 AM

Yes, but no court ruling changes the outcome of the popular vote. The point I was making is that we’re getting a Democrat in the White House no matter what. Since Obama and Biden were both on the ticket, the electors (on Dec. 15) vote for whoever is left on the ticket. It’s not like we could have a runoff election or anything. There’s no precedent.

So it’s either Obama or Biden, and personally, I’ll take Obama.

KingGold on December 4, 2008 at 10:52 AM

I had to submit 30 pages of information, plus birth certificate, passport, d.l. etc to obtain a secret clearance.
Could, Obama, pass a secret clearance?
James on December 4, 2008 at 10:35 AM

Ditto for me to obtain a Top Secret clearance, James. 30+ pages and I had to provide proof of citizenship, too, including a signed & sealed birth certificate and passport. If I had offered up the kind of proof that Obama did regarding my citizenship, I would not have been granted a clearance. I would bet that Obama couldn’t survive a background investigation, yet he will soon hold the key to the red button.

What are you afraid of Mr. Obama?

AceR on December 4, 2008 at 10:52 AM

Recently FactCheck representatives got a chance to spend some time with the birth certificate, and we can attest to the fact that it is real and three-dimensional and resides at the Obama headquarters in Chicago. We can assure readers that the certificate does bear a raised seal, and that it’s stamped on the back by Hawaii state registrar Alvin T. Onaka (who uses a signature stamp rather than signing individual birth certificates). We even brought home a few photographs.

Here

right2bright on December 4, 2008 at 10:52 AM

The sadly obligatory SCOTUS birth-certificate post

Gawd Forbid that the US is still a nation of Laws..

rather than effing giving Obama a crown so he can rule..

DaveC on December 4, 2008 at 10:52 AM

I work for a company that has Govt contracts. To get a security clearance to work on Defense projects you must submit a certified copy of your birth cert. Seems to me that The One should have to meet that requirement since his clearance will be MUCH higher than mine…

What really bothers me here is the fact that this could all be cleared up by The One by just submitting the darn cert. Instead he will allow the people to pay for all of the legal crap that will lead to nothing. Way to lookout for the taxpayers. Thanks for nothing…

tomlw on December 4, 2008 at 10:52 AM

A Birth Certificate is different than a Certificate of Live Birth (which can be obtained by a state for birth anywhere). Further, the COLB circulated as fact has also been called into question as certain elements don’t match a true COLB. In any case, the COLB proves nothing.

And for those who will now shout, “He doesn’t have it!” My son just started kindergarten. Me, being the absent-minded mother I am, I had lost his original Birth Certificate. So to register him for kindergarten, I had to go down to the courthouse, paid $24, and got a BIRTH CERTIFICATE. NOT a COLB.

This is not as hard as he’s making it.

UnderstandingisPower on December 4, 2008 at 10:53 AM

(pg 26)Dreams from My Father

“I discovered this article folded away among my birth certificate and old vaccination forms when I was in high school.”

Didn’t Mr. O read his own book?

Put this to rest before Putin rolls across a border and holds a birth certificate that proves that Mr. O. is not eligible to be CIC – or Chavez, etc.

If this proves true – the MSM has been caught with their pants down.

The Dems who certified his eligibility are in trouble too. So Nancy Pelosi, did you take his word for it? Didn’t any of you read his book?

Wander on December 4, 2008 at 10:53 AM

Netroots, Bob Beckel, etc: “Right Wing Blogger Ed Morrissey Endorses Obama Birth Certificate Conspiracy Theories at Hot Air!”

forest on December 4, 2008 at 10:54 AM

Romeo13 on December 4, 2008 at 10:50 AM

I gave the links above, read them, look at the pictures, look at the commentary…then tell me you have better information.
I am no fan of Obama, but he has provided what was necessary.

right2bright on December 4, 2008 at 10:54 AM

But instead of spending a very small fee to get the requested vault copy and going on with the process of cabinet selection, he doesn’t comply and pays a lot of lawyer fees?

WEIRD.

Marine_Bio on December 4, 2008 at 10:29 AM

That is weird no doubt.

Here is something to ponder though, what is Obama’s real name? He had one at birth, then asked everyone to call him something else after his long whoknowswhofundedit college world tour…was it legally changed? Who knows…

How is it possible that people dont pause to think there is something strange in all this?

This is not a conspiracy, this is a legal requirement to be President( Birth Cert)), why are people being called “nuts” who simply want to make 100% sure this guy was born here but people who think it’s no big deal are acting rational? Produce the dam document and lets move on….

javamartini on December 4, 2008 at 10:55 AM

So much for transparency in his office. I don’t understand what the big deal is. If you have a valid certificate, just show it and be done with it. If he doesn’t have one (which I suspect surely he does), then he’s got to be the biggest idiot ever to run for office. I didn’t vote for him but I sure don’t think the man is an idiot.

scalleywag on December 4, 2008 at 10:56 AM

Unfortunately, the Supreme Court can’t kill the conspiracy theories.

But, Obama could have done it easily a year ago by producing a copy of his birth certificate. If he doesn’t have the original (most people do not), they are stored on microfiche and a copy can be easily provided. So, if anyone here is tiresome it is Obama.

Tell us: Why has Obama made this into an issue?

Blake on December 4, 2008 at 10:57 AM

@CantCureStupid: “…the U.S. does not recognize dual citizenship, so the use of a foreign passport after the age of 18 would be considered an overt act renouncing U.S. citizenship.”

Your information is incorrect.
I have three children that are dual citizens (born in foreign country with one parent U.S. citizen) over the age of 18 and travel with both U.S. and foreign country passports (or just one of their choosing).

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More information to review:
“Although the U.S. Government does not endorse dual citizenship as a matter of policy, it recognizes the existence of dual citizenship and completely tolerates the maintenance of multiple citizenship by U.S. citizens.”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_nationality_law

Questions and answers on dual US/other citizenship
http://www.richw.org/dualcit/faq.html

albill on December 4, 2008 at 10:57 AM

right2bright on December 4, 2008 at 10:46 AM

From a document expert…. easily verifiable… and what was produced was a Certificate of Live Birth… which is NOT the origional… and is missing a LOT of information.

The problem of the pixels: When you have a green patterned document such as this, there should be a lot of green pixels from the background showing up between the letters that appear on the certification. But in this case, instead of green pixels, there are white and grey pixels between the letters, which result when you replace existing text with other text.

There is no second fold line. The pictures show two folds – necessary to fit any COLB into an envelope for mailing, but the document itself shows only one fold. This is another indication of document alteration.

There’s a blurred border. The border has a lower resolution than the rest of the document, which is another indication that it has been altered.

The border is one that is used in 2007 COLBs. As a security measure, Hawaii changes their borders every year. This is when the Obama campaign claims the certificate was obtained. That is fine except for the problem that …

The seal and signature stamp are from a 2008 COLB. As revealed by a process called edging, the Hawaiian seal and signature stamp on the back of the document are revealed to be from the wrong year!

but hey, don’t worry, its all just a conspiricy theory!

/puts on his tinfoil hat…

Romeo13 on December 4, 2008 at 10:57 AM

Frankly, this issue didn’t interest me until Osama Obama took no action to defuse any controversy about his birthplace. What would it have taken? A phone call or letter and then, a few days later, showing a true copy of the document to the media?

So in-the-tank were they that they would have treated this as if Jesus Himself had been reborn. As they have, anyway.

Every time Obama has been put in a position to account for himself, he has evaded, lied, squirmed and stuttered. He has never done the right thing which, if he had nothing to hide, would have been the easiest.

Ed, you may be weary of this, but I think even you have to admit that this incompetent goon has much to answer for. So why not push for the answers?

MrScribbler on December 4, 2008 at 10:57 AM

I love how conservatives are saying there is no merit in the lawsuit even before the Supreme Court rules.

It would be a huge problem if a non-US citizen became President.

It would be extremely easy, convenient, and trivial for Barack Obama to show the world his vault birth certificate.

There is much contradictory information on Obama’s birth. A museum in Kenya is now open at the site of the birth in Kenya of Barack Obama (the one who got elected).

Somebody is lying. The Supreme Court will get to the truth, and no thanks to hotair.com.

indythinker on December 4, 2008 at 10:58 AM

The certificate of live birth has more information than the computer generated record he produced. At least mine did: parent’s occupation, etc.

Blake on December 4, 2008 at 10:58 AM

I question the timing.

:)

johnnyU on December 4, 2008 at 10:59 AM

Ed: Please post an update from this website:
http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html
It has detail photos of the birth certificate, the signature, the embossed, the watermark…everything that is requested. It is embarrassing to read what is logical people, making strange statements like “he hasn’t produced it”.

right2bright on December 4, 2008 at 10:59 AM

Only the One could throw transparency under the bus. He’s promised to put everything on his web site when he gets in office, maybe if he posts his certificate that will shut up the conspiracy theorists.

scalleywag on December 4, 2008 at 10:59 AM

He needs to have it unsealed. Why did he go to Hawaii, see his dying Grandmother. Then have it sealed? They need to make him unseal it and prove it! That is all. Just prove it. Still, there is something odd. Where is his degrees, his thesis?

sheebe on December 4, 2008 at 10:59 AM

CantCureStupid on December 4, 2008 at 10:41 AM

Re: the passport thing, I figured that’s what the breach at the State Department was all about. And it was most likely Hillary people who were responsible.

Connie on December 4, 2008 at 11:00 AM

Kerfuffle: I believe that term originated with James Taranto (WSJ Editorial Page).

perroviejo on December 4, 2008 at 11:00 AM

right2bright on December 4, 2008 at 10:52 AM

Stop being obtuse, back up a step and look at this objectively.

The question came up with McCain as a target, in May I think. What did he do? Handed his stuff over to congress.

This came up with Obama, what did he do? Put it in the hands of FactCheck and on his own web page.

Which action would put this accusation to bed permanently?

Since FactCheck isn’t an official body, why does it matter what they think? The filers of these lawsuits have experts that disagree with FactCheck, but again what does that matter?

Officially, the courts, including the supreme court asked for the documents as a result of these lawsuits. You mean that in the MONTHS since this first came up, Obama couldn’t just get a copy when he was in Hawaii or have his lawyers do it for him?

Does this make sense?

If there isn’t some issue, why not just turn over the document?

That is the real question.

Marine_Bio on December 4, 2008 at 11:00 AM

When I applied for my pension, they asked for a birth certificate as proof of age. I produced it. When I apply for social security, I will bet they ask for a birth certificate as proof of age.

I would have thought that everyone would be required to quietly show proof of qualification before being sworn into any federal position.

Why make a federal case out of it? Just do it!

Laurence on December 4, 2008 at 11:00 AM

oh. Well, to some people putting the thing on factcheck is like Popular Mechanics saying fire won’t melt steel. Eh Rosie?

scalleywag on December 4, 2008 at 11:01 AM

Makes me wonder if Obama was being crafty and dragging the whole thing out to make the right look unhinged…

ErikTheRed on December 4, 2008 at 10:29 AM

Maybe Erik

And everyone though he went to Hawaii to bid farewell to his ailing, only one who knew the truth, grandmother. Oh and sealed something with the Governor of Hawaii while he was there.

johnnyU on December 4, 2008 at 11:01 AM

Only the One could throw transparency under the bus. He’s promised to put everything on his web site when he gets in office, maybe if he posts his certificate that will shut up the conspiracy theorists.

scalleywag on December 4, 2008 at 10:59 AM

He did that, but it was proved to be a forgery. Then he took it off, put another one up. The dates were totally wrong.

sheebe on December 4, 2008 at 11:03 AM

Like many have said, why not produce the certified birth certificate and be done with it.

Spending that much money to fight it in the courts raises the suspicion that there’s something to hide. McCain didn’t hesitate when challenged about his birth.

iamsaved on December 4, 2008 at 11:03 AM

I find it extremely disappointing the way this site keeps trying to make pretend that the birth certificate issue is such a terrible bother and some sort of truther “conspiracy”.

I am so offended by this attitude that it is almost impossible to put it into words.

Anyone who does not want to see his BC and tries to make people feel bad for demanding proof of eligibility really pisses the living hell out of me.

The birth certificate (and other problems with BHO’s eligibility) is a clearly legitimate issue and every single American should be demanding that it be resolved without further delay. The fact that it has dragged on this long – until after the election – is PATHETIC and WRONG.

progressoverpeace on December 4, 2008 at 11:03 AM

Fatcheck is owned by Annenburg, they are the ones that own the company that The One was on with Ayers. Fat check is a bogus, uninformed web site. That would be a conflict.

sheebe on December 4, 2008 at 11:04 AM

“right2bright on December 4, 2008 at 10:59 AM”

hey stupid, factcheck is a soros front organization

/i’m NOT taking their word for anything — let the PUBLIC see it!

Buckaroo on December 4, 2008 at 11:06 AM

On the Constitutional Question… of who gets to be President it gets fun…

First off, we have NOT had the electoral college vote yet. So Barry is NOT the President Elect yet.

Now, if he is deemed not eligable before the vote? They CAN’T vote for him, but most states have a law saying that they MUST vote for him… so essentialy those votes won’t count… but McCain does not have enough votes to get to 270… sooooo…. some states however do NOT have that requirement, so they can vote for another Democrat Candidate (Hillary?)

It goes to the House of Representatives. Each State gets ONE vote, but they can only vote for one of the Top three vote getters from the Electoral College… ie, McCain, Hillary?, or Obama, but they can’t vote for Obama as he is inelegable.

I have not tallied up the amount of STATES which are Blue, or Red… but my guess is we get President Hillary…

Romeo13 on December 4, 2008 at 11:07 AM

Constitutional question for y’all:

If Obama had been born in Hawaii in, say, 1958 (pre-statehood), would he be eligible to run for President?

And no, I don’t think he was born in 1958.

YYZ on December 4, 2008 at 11:07 AM

Considering that the United States practices birthright (jus sanguinis) citizenship, the fact that Obama’s mother is a United States citizen should put this one to bed immediately, no matter where Obama was born.

Interestingly, most citizenship treaties (such as the one with the Germans) treat citizenship deriving from the mother much more strongly than that deriving from the father. The US is practically alone in its equality of parenthood, but, even so, our laws don’t allow parents to unilaterally renounce a child’s citizenship rights.

This whole kerfaffle is the far right hand version of the “Sarah didn’t have Trig” argument.

unclesmrgol on December 4, 2008 at 11:08 AM

Here is the background:
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Obama was born of a US Citizen parent. There is no doubt in my mind that he is a US Citizen. However, the question is whether he is a “natural citizen” which is a requirement for holding the office of the Presidency.
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Now the Director of the Department of Health of Hawaii has issued an Official Statement saying that she has verified that Obama has a birth certificate on file in accordance with Hawaiian law. However, Dr. Funkino did NOT state that Obama was born in Hawaii.
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So how can Obama have a birth certificate on file in accordance with Hawaiian state law if he was born outside the USA?
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Simple, Hawaiian law states that if a foreign born child is adopted in Hawaii (Obama was by his stepfather) then an amended Hawaiian birth certificate can be issued!!!!!!
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So Obama can have an official Hawaiian birth certificate on file in Hawaii in accordance with Hawaiian state law, but still have been born abroad!
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Now there was a birth announcement in the Hawaiian newspapers. That does not prove anything either way. For example, when my daughter was born in Germany (while I was serving overseas with the military) my mother put a birth announcement in the local newspaper. She paid for it and to save money she did not mention Germany.
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So is there enough questions to have Obama produce the original birth certificate that Dr. Funkino stated was on file?
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No tin hats, no sour grapes, no hate. Just wanting the facts and to follow the Constitution.

Fatenberg

Maxx on December 4, 2008 at 11:08 AM

Marine_Bio on December 4, 2008 at 11:00 AM

but FactCheck is dot org.. DOT ORG.. doesn’t that mean anything anymore?

:)

DaveC on December 4, 2008 at 11:09 AM

To everyone asking why he won’t show it, it’s entirely possible that he doesn’t have it. Not everyone keeps a copy with them. I didn’t have mine until I got married.

With all of the resources available to his vaunted juggernaut of a perfect campaign, it is kind of silly for him not to have acquired one if this is the case.

Obama produced records that were consider sufficient at the time, and an announcement from the time of his birth was also produced. What do people expect to find here?

Lord only knows…hoping to prevent the opening of the Seventh Seal or some equally idiotic nonsense, for most would be my guess. Or maybe an ID number that adds up to 666…

Pretty much a waste of time.

hillbillyjim on December 4, 2008 at 11:10 AM

“YYZ on December 4, 2008 at 11:07 AM”

unclear — John was born in the canal zone to TWO ADULT CITIZENS, one of whom was stationed there for the navy.

duh1 was born to a TEENAGE mother and a NON-CITIZEN father, which was a statutorily different situation in both 1958 and 1961.

Buckaroo on December 4, 2008 at 11:10 AM

It does, however, make it news, no matter how much some of us wish it would go away.

??

It’s just us idiots who want to see actual proof.

The state of Hawaii has repeatedly insisted that their records show Obama was born in Hawaii, as the Certificate of Live Birth states.

This is a lie. A flat-out lie. I don’t know if it’s intentional or not, but there is not one bit of truth in this statement.

progressoverpeace on December 4, 2008 at 11:11 AM

Unfortunately, the Supreme Court can’t kill the conspiracy theories.

You’re right, Ed. But you know who can? The owner of the birth certificate. I’m just like you, I want this to go away and the easiest way to make it go away: let the public see it. But he hasn’t, so it makes me wonder instead, why has he not?

LastRick on December 4, 2008 at 11:11 AM

Ed,

Please take the time to study this. Your post mixed factual elements of Philip Berg’s “birth certificate” case with Leo Donofrio’s “natural-born citizen” case. These are entirely separate and distinct actions.

The Donofrio lawsuit, the one under consideration by the Court at conference tomorrow, has nothing whatsoever to do with Obama’s birth certificate; it is entirely a matter of law. Donofrio has repeatedly said he believes Obama was born in Hawaii and that Philip Berg’s case will fail.

The question in Donofrio’s case (the one being considered at conference tomorrow) is whether or not Barack Obama, John McCain, and some minor candidate met the “Natural-Born Citizen” requirement of the constitution. He is challenging three candidates, not just Obama. Barack Obama, by his own admission, possessed dual-citizenship at birth via his Kenyan father. This is not tin-foil. Obama’s own website has made this claim. We all know McCain was born in Panama. And the third guy was born out of the US to non-citizens, thus clearly not natural-born, yet he was allowed on the ballot, at least in some states.

Leo Donofrio has made a compelling legal and historical case that argues by virtue of his dual-citizenship, Obama is not “natural-born.” He also asserts McCain was not “natural-born.” McCain’s situation is different from Obama’s, so I tend to believe McCain was in fact “natural-born,” but the circumstances of Obama’s birth make his “natural-born” status shaky at best. This is a question which deserves an answer. It’s about our constitution, not some meritless conspiracy theory.

Regardless of your opinion, or mine, there are valid legal questions in Donofrio’s lawsuit. I have disregarded the birth certificate suits because they have no proof, but Donofrio needs no factual proof. He is asking the Court to apply the stated facts to the law and render a verdict, which is a very different thing. I am a lawyer and I’ve read his filings. I can’t say his legal assertion is right, but he makes a compelling case.

Did Justice Souter ever reject Donofrio’s case? Aren’t you referring to Souter’s rejection of Philip Berg’s motion to stay the election filed on November 3rd. Souter rejected Berg’s motion, then gave the DNC and Obama until December 1st to respond to Berg’s writ of certiorari. Neither Obama nor the DNC filed a response to the writ, but they were not required to respond.

Also, it was originally reported that Clarence Thomas referred Donofrio’s case for conference, but this week it has been reported that Donofrio’s case was referred for conference by the entire court.

flyfisher on December 4, 2008 at 11:11 AM

anyone read the American Thinker piece on this by “Joe the Farmer”, it did have some interesting parts to it.

Even if its true, the first black elected POTUS will not be removed from office due to a technicality

jp on December 4, 2008 at 11:12 AM

A “certificate of live birth” is essentially meaningless in this context. It is an after the event convenience document. Midwife delivery in a home and self-deliveries at remote locations or in a taxi on the way to hospital can be “certified” simply by submitting the paperwork, with nothing more to go on than the mother attesting that the kid was born within the confines of a particular state.

Now then…has anyone taken the time to take a look at the official hospital records and logs for all hospitals in the Honolulu area for the period when the lad appeared? Or have these been sealed?

In any case, getting this out in the open, with full and complete discovery, is the very least we, as citizens, should demand.

coldwarrior on December 4, 2008 at 11:12 AM

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