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Harper outboxes the opposition

posted at 2:00 pm on December 4, 2008 by Ed Morrissey
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With the three opposition parties attempting to override the plurality of Conservatives in Parliament, Canadian Prime Minister fought back by forcing an adjournment of Parliament until the end of January.  Governor-General Michaelle Jean approved Harper’s request to adjourn in advance of any confidence motion, keeping the government in Conservative control and essentially locking the three parties out of policy for the next two months:

Gov. Gen. Michaelle Jean has approved Prime Minister Stephen Harper’s request to suspend Parliament, agreeing to put the government on hold until the end of January.

Harper addressed the media at just before noon after about two-and-a-half hours of meetings at Rideau Hall.

“Following my advice, the Governor General has agreed to prorogue Parliament,” Harper told reporters from the front steps of the building. …

Harper also said that when Parliament resumes, the first item on the agenda will be the presentation of the federal budget and he will spend his time working almost exclusively between now and then on the fiscal blueprint.

That was not Harper’s final card, either.  Had Jean refused his request, Harper could have applied to the Queen of Great Britain, Canada’s nominal head of state, to replace Jean with another Governor-General.  Jean avoided that national crisis and at the same time avoided another national election less than two months after Canada’s last election gave the Conservatives a greater plurality but just short of a majority.

The big issue in this supposedly centers on the lack of a government stimulus/bailout package, but may cut closer to home among politicians.  Harper wants to end government subsidies for political parties, forcing them to rely on private donations alone.  The Conservatives excel at fundraising, while the other parties rely more heavily on the subsidies.  Harper’s new economic package was expected to include that change, which is why the Liberals, NDP, and Bloc Quebecois tried to act in advance of its submission.

The opposition alliance may be glad it won’t have to face the voters in any case.  They gave a demonstration of their competence yesterday:

The Liberals have apologized for Liberal Leader Stephane Dion’s taped televised address, after it was delivered to Canadian networks almost an hour past deadline and in near-cellphone quality.

“I apologize for what happened tonight. I apologize for the poor quality and the lateness. I am livid and am doing an investigation as to how this happened,” Johanne Senecal, Dion’s Chief of Staff, said to CTV News tonight.

Dion was supposed to deliver the networks a pre-taped statement to the nation Wednesday between 6:15 p.m. and 6:30 ET. It was to air after Prime Minister Stephen Harper addressed the country at 7 p.m. ET about the political crisis on Parliament Hill.

CTV, along with other major Canadian networks, pre-empted regularly scheduled programming to deliver the addresses. Harper went to air shortly after 7 p.m. but networks were left scrambling to fill airspace when Dion’s tape was nowhere to be found.

No wonder they need public subsidies.

Update: My friend and thoughtful liberal Michael Stickings, who blogs in Canada at The Reaction, thinks Jean took the easy way out:

I hesitate to call the governor general, Michaëlle Jean, a coward, but her decision, I think, was a poor one. Either she should have dissolved Parliament and called an election, or she should have given the coalition, which holds a majority of the seats in the House, the chance to govern. Instead, in granting Harper’s request, she has gone along with what the Conservatives want, parliamentary democracy be damned, and given them the upper hand in terms of the campaign to come. Basically, she has saved Harper’s sorry bacon, evidently putting his interests before the interests of the country.

It is a sad day for Canada.

I don’t entirely disagree here, but part of that is the opposition’s fault.  The proper way to have proceeded is to use the no-confidence motion to proceed to a new election.  The last election was just seven weeks ago, though, and the three opposition parties had a difficult time coming up with a good reason for another one now when the voters made their intent plain less than two months ago.  Instead, they wanted to take an (almost) unprecendented step to force the plurality party into opposition.  Under those circumstances, Jean acted in the most rational way possible.


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I have money in those canadian oil companies. Thank god an environmentalists wasn’t elected. Whew.

lodge on December 4, 2008 at 2:05 PM

Take off, you hoser.

pseudonominus on December 4, 2008 at 2:06 PM

As goes Canada, so goes the world.

Strange country, they have a tumultuous government and some crazy lefties, but their army is committed to standing with America in Afghanistan and engaging some seriously heavy fighting.

If only all of our allies were as steady. Yeah, I’m looking at YOU, Germany.

Bishop on December 4, 2008 at 2:07 PM

Isn’t the expression “outfoxes” the opposition?

keep the change on December 4, 2008 at 2:07 PM

It’s like watching Days of Our Lives but much, much less important.

29Victor on December 4, 2008 at 2:07 PM

PROROGUE.

Best new word, evah.

pabarge on December 4, 2008 at 2:07 PM

I was all ready to photoshop out the maple leaf from our flag, in exchange for a banana. Thank God the embarassment is over, for now at least.

Dave From Canada on December 4, 2008 at 2:14 PM

Canada who?

Badger40 on December 4, 2008 at 2:17 PM

Wait, so in America’s Hat they can call an election within 3 months of the previous one? Haberdashery! Or is it Balderdashery?

Thank Goodness I don’t live in America’s Hat. Parliament is crazy.

I’m sure your thoughtful liberal friend is upset. Though I think that has more to do with being liberal than with being thoughtful.

BKennedy on December 4, 2008 at 2:18 PM

If only all of our allies were as steady. Yeah, I’m looking at YOU, Germany fatties.

Bishop on December 4, 2008 at 2:07 PM

FIFY

thomashton on December 4, 2008 at 2:20 PM

I think we should all be fortunate that the Conservatives are still in power as the Canadians have shed as much blood as the United States has in Afghanistan and they’re more than willing to keep fighting along side us.

Kaitian on December 4, 2008 at 2:21 PM

Then thank goodness Mr. Harper prorogued Parliament; the opposition would have withdrawn the troops from Afghanistan, no doubt to shovel snow in Toronto. I wonder which would be more dangerous.

KillerKane on December 4, 2008 at 2:23 PM

Seems complicated. Here’s hoping they figure it out. The U.S. has enough self-important, douchebag, political drama queens for all of North America.

Jaibones on December 4, 2008 at 2:23 PM

I hesitate to call the governor general, Michaëlle Jean, a coward, but her decision, I think, was a poor one. Either she should have dissolved Parliament and called an election, or she should have given the coalition, which holds a majority of the seats in the House, the chance to govern. Instead, in granting Harper’s request, she has gone along with what the Conservatives want, parliamentary democracy be damned, and given them the upper hand in terms of the campaign to come. Basically, she has saved Harper’s sorry bacon, evidently putting his interests before the interests of the country.
It is a sad day for Canada

Bullshite. The Governor General did what CANADIANS wanted. We are so frigging sick of having to do elections every two years, much less the way those moron Libs, NDP and Bloc wanted it done. They wanted a back door to power because they were too inept to actually win the election. Instead of respecting the loss they were handed six weeks ago, they want to be whining whiners which doesn’t surprise me, really.

If the Libs, NDP and BQ pulled this off and yet another election was called, they all would lose. And they’d lose even more seats. We Canucks in America’s Hat are f*cking tired of our moron political leaders and their moron ideas.

As far as I’m concerned, public financing of these moron parties should stop. Then they can actually work for a living instead of living off the largesse of Canadian citizens…

mjk on December 4, 2008 at 2:24 PM

Looks like the Governor-General may have done Stephane Dion and the Liberals a huge favor. If they’d gone forward with this, the electoral backlash would have been intense.

Slublog on December 4, 2008 at 2:25 PM

I’m not sure if I made it clear but I pretty much think the NDP, Libs and BQ are full of morons.

Just thought I’d clear that up.

mjk on December 4, 2008 at 2:25 PM

Is “prorogue” actually “prologue” in CHINESE??? HMMM?

ReaganConservative3 on December 4, 2008 at 2:25 PM

So we can go back to not caring about Canada?

lorien1973 on December 4, 2008 at 2:27 PM

Wait, so in America’s Hat they can call an election within 3 months of the previous one? Haberdashery! Or is it Balderdashery?

Thank Goodness I don’t live in America’s Hat. Parliament is crazy.

I’m sure your thoughtful liberal friend is upset. Though I think that has more to do with being liberal than with being thoughtful.

Actually I come to like the idea better though. Afterall, they are elected by the proportion of the population and if the government fails to agree on a major issue, an election is called to ask the people on what their opinion is regarding it. Rather than waiting x years and not being able to take advantage of the people to back you up because it’s faded away.

Kaitian on December 4, 2008 at 2:28 PM

It’s like watching Days of Our Lives but much, much less important.

Actually it’s more of the 3 Stooges. You got the Liberals (Dion), NDP (Layton), and the BQ (Duceppe).

Kaitian on December 4, 2008 at 2:30 PM

I find myself agreeing with your Liberal friend. Even though the Conservatives are the plurality party, if a majority can form a coalition, they should be allowed to govern. Holding another election this soon would not be necessary.

For a Governor General to take such an act requires some extraordinary circumstances. I’m not sure what those are.

The Monster on December 4, 2008 at 2:30 PM

Isn’t Drywall a liberal Canadian? I wonder if he works with the Dion media team on speech presentation. Somehow, his name just came to mind.

a capella on December 4, 2008 at 2:31 PM

Isn’t it sort of weird that we hear virtually nothing about these sorts of things on the nightly news? I mean, Canada is our largest trading partner and all.

CP on December 4, 2008 at 2:31 PM

Seems complicated. Here’s hoping they figure it out. The U.S. has enough self-important, douchebag, political drama queens for all of North America.

Jaibones on December 4, 2008 at 2:23 PM

Amen. For all of time.

hillbillyjim on December 4, 2008 at 2:31 PM

Actually I come to like the idea better though. Afterall, they are elected by the proportion of the population and if the government fails to agree on a major issue, an election is called to ask the people on what their opinion is regarding it. Rather than waiting x years and not being able to take advantage of the people to back you up because it’s faded away.

Except it gets abused a lot, baby. We have elections called in Canada more often than we really should because there are minority governments a lot and someone gets a bright Idea to hold a no confidence vote. They get a coalition going, the vote goes through, and BAM! Another bloody election. Essentially nothing gets done because there are constant threats about no confidence votes and elections being called AGAIN.

Trust me, it ain’t all it’s cracked up to be.

mjk on December 4, 2008 at 2:34 PM

Dear a capella/dipsh*t

I’m 100% behind Harper on this stupid situation.

Dave Rywall on December 4, 2008 at 2:36 PM

Couple of points to consider:

-Technically the coalition still has less seats than the Conservatives, since the Bloc Quebecois is only “supporting” it, but is not part of it. This makes the coalition’s claim to have more seats shakier.

-Liberal leader Dion was not only rejected by the Canadian electorate less than two months ago, he has also been rejected by his own party, and has agreed to step down when the party chooses a new leader in the Spring. How could it be democratic to have a PM rejected by voters and rejected by his party, soon to be replaced anyway?

-Conservative fundraising really is of the many small donors variety. The Libs traditionally relied on big donations from Bay Street (i.e. the Canadian Wall Street), but their incompetence has caused that source to dry up – the Liberal party is still massively in the hole from the last campaign, as is Dion personally from the last leadership process (think primaries, sort of). The NDP generally depends on unions for money and workers.

-Because G.G. Jean is Quebecois and a Liberal appointee (technically a nominee, but the Queen would not reject a nominee unless they were patently unsuitable), she is under extra pressure to be fair to Mr. Harper, lest she be seen as biased in this process.

-Although I am a huge Harper fan, he really did screw the pooch with his timing on this one – I totally like the idea of ending the federal subsidies for political parties, on both constitutional and economic grounds, but this was very poorly played – the total money involved is relatively small, and given that he only has a minority to work with, he should have known that the other parties would fight like rabid dogs over their last bone – Canadians are concerned over the tanking world economy and really didn’t want a constitutional crisis and/or an election now. All the leaders share blame, but I hold Harper to a higher standard since he is supposed to be the non-idiot in the bunch. I really think he should go on TV and apologize to Canadians for helping to cause this crisis – not to say he was wrong in principle, but that the badly misjudged the timing and is sorry about the distraction he helped to cause.

holdfast on December 4, 2008 at 2:38 PM

I’m 100% behind Harper on this stupid situation.

Dave Rywall on December 4, 2008 at 2:36 PM

Other than the childish namecalling, I can’t believe me and Davey boy agree on something!!!

Where are the rivers of blood and the horsemen???

;)

mjk on December 4, 2008 at 2:38 PM

Ed, Elizabeth II, Queen of Canada, is not our nominal Head of State. She IS our Head of State.

Jim708 on December 4, 2008 at 2:40 PM

I really don’t think it’s fair for anyone to say that the Governor General made the wrong decision. This is a largely unprecedented situation, and I’m sure two factors weighed heavily in her final decision – the fact that we just had an election in which the number of Conservative seats increased, and the fact that the proposed leader for the “coalition” has tendered his resignation as leader for his party and would no longer be at the helm in a mere six months.

As for whether Harper might have asked the Queen to replace Michaelle Jean had she refused his request, I doubt that very much. Her decision would still have been in effect, and to move to replace her would look like a power grab that would dwarf the three dwarves’ attempt.

The big topic of discussion on the sooper liberal CBC radio has been the “divisiveness” of Harper’s calling the Bloq a separtist party instead of what they say is the more suitable label of “sovereigntist”. I can’t tell you how ironic I find that, given that during the last referendum, which was indeed about Quebec’s separation from Canada (and was defeated by a mere hair), post-referendum surveys revealed that many of those who voted for “sovereignty” didn’t realise that they were voting to become a separate country. And now the CBC, Liberals, and NDP are all playing the same silly linguistic games.

ProfessorMiao on December 4, 2008 at 2:40 PM

-Although I am a huge Harper fan, he really did screw the pooch with his timing on this one – I totally like the idea of ending the federal subsidies for political parties, on both constitutional and economic grounds, but this was very poorly played – the total money involved is relatively small, and given that he only has a minority to work with, he should have known that the other parties would fight like rabid dogs over their last bone – Canadians are concerned over the tanking world economy and really didn’t want a constitutional crisis and/or an election now. All the leaders share blame, but I hold Harper to a higher standard since he is supposed to be the non-idiot in the bunch. I really think he should go on TV and apologize to Canadians for helping to cause this crisis – not to say he was wrong in principle, but that the badly misjudged the timing and is sorry about the distraction he helped to cause.

I disagree completely. Why the hell should the Canadian public sponsor such useless organizations? Who gives a flying f*ck about how the Bloc, the Libs, and the NDP would survive?

There is a recession. Harper is trying to save money. It’s not his problem that the other parties are too stupid to get enough private donors. It’s not his fault that Dion, Layton and what’s-his-face are such drama queens. They are screwing the pooch because they are risking alienating Canadians who already have no use for their government. (Thanks, Trudeau, Mulroney, Cretien, and Martin!!)

mjk on December 4, 2008 at 2:42 PM

Isn’t it sort of weird that we hear virtually nothing about these sorts of things on the nightly news? I mean, Canada is our largest trading partner and all.

Well, truth be told, Americans are not all that interested in Canada. If 9/11 happened in Canada to the CN Tower, the nightly news would have covered it, but only between entertainment and sports. You don’t call us America’s hat for nothing.

keep the change on December 4, 2008 at 2:42 PM

Is “prorogue” actually “prologue” in CHINESE??? HMMM?

ReaganConservative3 on December 4, 2008 at 2:25 PM

No, no. The Chinese have no problem distinguishing the ‘r’ and ‘l’ sounds.
You’re thinking of the Japanese.

Count to 10 on December 4, 2008 at 2:44 PM

Count to 10 on December 4, 2008 at 2:44 PM

No, the Chinese have big problems there. I have many Chinese kwients and that is a very weal problem.

keep the change on December 4, 2008 at 2:49 PM

It is indeed a crisis for the conservative movement everywhere. We just have to fight back and that means help the conservatives get elected. I campaigned with my family to get Harper elected and we will do it again tirelessly. There is no other way cause the liberals are just sly and dishonest, they would do just about anything to get into power. It is true in Canada and it is happening in the U.S. sadly.

mariloubaker on December 4, 2008 at 2:50 PM

Where are the rivers of blood and the horsemen???

Dryrot is still waiting for them to appear after Dubya was elected in 2000.

Bishop on December 4, 2008 at 2:50 PM

if 9/11 happened in Canada to the CN Tower
keep the change on December 4, 2008 at 2:42 PM

You have towers in Canada? Are they made of logs?

Bishop on December 4, 2008 at 2:52 PM

Bishop on December 4, 2008 at 2:52 PM

Logs? They are made of snow and ice. You know, that stuff you never see down there in cities like Buffalo, Minneapolis, Fargo? You know, those warm balmy places.

keep the change on December 4, 2008 at 2:57 PM

I was in Toronto on 9/11. Those who didn’t cheer outloud did so quietly.

KillerKane on December 4, 2008 at 2:58 PM

Canada who?

Pretty ignorant and insensitive thing to say to a Country that’s helping you guys out BIG time in Afghanistan.

Idiot.

You-Eh-Vee on December 4, 2008 at 2:59 PM

I was in Toronto on 9/11. Those who didn’t cheer outloud did so quietly.

Utter bullshit.

You-Eh-Vee on December 4, 2008 at 3:00 PM

Had Jean refused his request, Harper could have applied to the Queen of Great Britain, Canada’s nominal head of state, to replace Jean with another Governor-General.

HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

Where’d you dig up this conspiracy? Sorry, but as a Canadian, this is absurd. The post is usually for 5 years and the position is assigned by the Prime Minister if those five years are up. She’s only been there three years. She’s not going anywhere. Yes, the Queen is officially the one who’s supposed to assign the position, but it doesn’t work that way in reality. She just signs on whoever the Prime Minister wants automatically every five or seven years. The Queen makes ZERO decisions about Canada anymore.

I’m personally sick of Harper. He’s completely useless and is nothing more than a neocon wannabe. Harper has a minority and has ZERO rights to govern.

So now we’re a country without a federal government. Nice, eh? The US has the do-nothing congress. Well, Canada is not to be outdone. We’re not even gonna HAVE a government. Top that suckas.

MrX on December 4, 2008 at 3:02 PM

keep the change on December 4, 2008 at 2:57 PM

I’m from Minnesota and have often trespassed on Canadian territory while pursuing U.S. deer who were apparently seeking asylum in Canada.

Let’s just say that the only buildings I saw in Canada were made of logs or stacked clods of earth.

Bishop on December 4, 2008 at 3:02 PM

Although I am a huge Harper fan, he really did screw the pooch with his timing on this one – I totally like the idea of ending the federal subsidies for political parties, on both constitutional and economic grounds, but this was very poorly played – the total money involved is relatively small, and given that he only has a minority to work with, he should have known that the other parties would fight like rabid dogs over their last bone – Canadians are concerned over the tanking world economy and really didn’t want a constitutional crisis and/or an election now. All the leaders share blame, but I hold Harper to a higher standard since he is supposed to be the non-idiot in the bunch. I really think he should go on TV and apologize to Canadians for helping to cause this crisis – not to say he was wrong in principle, but that the badly misjudged the timing and is sorry about the distraction he helped to cause.

holdfast on December 4, 2008 at 2:38 PM

I agree with you on this. In fact, I think that if he doesn’t, his days as leader are numbered. He still has to face the parliamentary mob. While there is a good chance that sober second thought will mean that some who backed the “coalition” is the heat of the moment will lose their enthusiasm for it, I would be enormously surprised if this whole episode hasn’t damaged him greatly. I have doubts about him now that I didn’t before, and I can’t believe I’m alone in that. It was piss poor judgment on his part to include that in the economic statement, he can’t have not known that it would be like waving a red flag in front of a bull.

ProfessorMiao on December 4, 2008 at 3:04 PM

South Park has ruined me for all issues Canadian. I want to blame everything on that dick, Scott.

grdred944 on December 4, 2008 at 3:05 PM

I’m from Minnesota and have often trespassed on Canadian territory while pursuing U.S. deer who were apparently seeking asylum in Canada.

Let’s just say that the only buildings I saw in Canada were made of logs or stacked clods of earth.

Yeah, that’s us.

We make our houses from logs, and tie our garbage in the trees so the polar bears don’t get them.

Brilliant.

http://cache.virtualtourist.com/1357332-Toronto_At_Night-Toronto.jpg

You-Eh-Vee on December 4, 2008 at 3:05 PM

Let’s just say that the only buildings I saw in Canada were made of logs or stacked clods of earth.

This can not be true. All our buildings are made from snow. Only our most advanced buildings are made from clods of earth or logs.

keep the change on December 4, 2008 at 3:06 PM

I was in Toronto on 9/11. Those who didn’t cheer outloud did so quietly.

KillerKane on December 4, 2008 at 2:58 PM

B*llsh*t. Within days newspapers across the country had printed full-paged American flags so we could put them in our windows to show solidarity with you. And Canadians did just that in massive numbers.

ProfessorMiao on December 4, 2008 at 3:08 PM

I was in Toronto on 9/11. Those who didn’t cheer outloud did so quietly.

KillerKane on December 4, 2008 at 2:58 PM
———

So, at exactly where was this happening?

You’re a lying sack of fertilizer.

Dave Rywall on December 4, 2008 at 3:08 PM

I disagree completely. Why the hell should the Canadian public sponsor such useless organizations? Who gives a flying f*ck about how the Bloc, the Libs, and the NDP would survive?

There is a recession. Harper is trying to save money. It’s not his problem that the other parties are too stupid to get enough private donors. It’s not his fault that Dion, Layton and what’s-his-face are such drama queens. They are screwing the pooch because they are risking alienating Canadians who already have no use for their government. (Thanks, Trudeau, Mulroney, Cretien, and Martin!!)

mjk on December 4, 2008 at 2:42 PM

And it’s because there is a recession (that threatens to get a heckuva lot worse before it gets better), and because he is at the helm of a minority government, that he should have known better to wave a red flag in front of parties whose very survival right now depends on that money. He very foolishly tossed them the bone that united them against him. That’s not leadership, it’s stupid, and it’s the kind of stupidity we can ill afford right now.

We need a conservative government at the helm in these times, and I’m pissed as hell at him that he may very well have thrown that away.

ProfessorMiao on December 4, 2008 at 3:11 PM

And it’s because there is a recession (that threatens to get a heckuva lot worse before it gets better), and because he is at the helm of a minority government, that he should have known better to wave a red flag in front of parties whose very survival right now depends on that money. He very foolishly tossed them the bone that united them against him. That’s not leadership, it’s stupid, and it’s the kind of stupidity we can ill afford right now.

We need a conservative government at the helm in these times, and I’m pissed as hell at him that he may very well have thrown that away.

Nonsense.

This ‘coalition’ has been in the works for a long time. They were waiting for the right moment to announce it. Incidentally, Harper later said he would NOT pull the funding – which is stupid.

Did you know that the Bloc relies solely on tax payers money? I don’t know about you, but personally, I don’t feel like funding a separatist party with MY money.

If the Tories can be successful in fund raising, so can the other parties.

You-Eh-Vee on December 4, 2008 at 3:16 PM

Dave, I’m afraid to say it was quite common. I too was in Toronto at the time. I’ve heard similar stories all over the world.

MrX on December 4, 2008 at 3:16 PM

At least Canadians have a chance to get excited about something other than hockey during the holidays!

starfleet_dude on December 4, 2008 at 3:18 PM

Imagine asking the Queen to pretty please fire our foreigner Haitian Head of Government, Governor General?

Time for Canadaians to grow a set, grow up, act like world leaders, and sieze this sovereign power away from the Queen of England. Time for Canada to turn the Royal branch of Government into the Executive Branch of Canadians, by Canadians, and most importantly, elected by Canadians.

epluribusunum on December 4, 2008 at 3:20 PM

“I apologize for the poor quality and the lateness. I am livid and am doing an investigation as to how this happened…”

…Believe me; I’m just as upset about this as you are.

Tzetzes on December 4, 2008 at 3:21 PM

Toronto 9/11? I was here too, and believe me, it was wall to wall “America asked for it” so bad I had to quit every (non-political, career related) listserve I was on (not before sending a final ‘May you all die in a burst of flaming jet fuel” message).

Then the infamous “Town Hall” meeting on CBC that night, with live “America asked for it”s for an hour or two. My best friend said that to me on the phone. I’d known her since high school and been her maid of hono(u)r. Ooops, nice knowing you!

PS: Two professional journalists have told me that the Toronto Star and the Globe and Mail have photos of Toronto Muslims celebrating outside Union Station (the train station near both papers’ offices) but — shocka! — will never publish them.

An enterprising journalism intern could make quite a name for himself digging those out of the archives, except that journalism interns are all “America asked for its”.

fivefeetoffury on December 4, 2008 at 3:23 PM

You’re a lying sack of fertilizer.

Dave Rywall on December 4, 2008 at 3:08 PM

So are you, Dave the allegedly Canadian troll. So, tell us all about these goings-on: analyze them from your supposedly Canadian perspective. Kiss the ass of NDP, maybe

Janos Hunyadi on December 4, 2008 at 3:23 PM

Is “prorogue” actually “prologue” in CHINESE??? HMMM?

ReaganConservative3 on December 4, 2008 at 2:25 PM

It’s like what the Chinese do when they have an erection: they vote rike everyone erse.

mr.blacksheep on December 4, 2008 at 3:24 PM

PS: I made a bet with myself about how long it would take for someone to join this thread for the sole purpose of huffing about “nominal.”

I lost: it happened even sooner than I expected.

fivefeetoffury on December 4, 2008 at 3:25 PM

At least we get a breather through the holidays.

Plenty of info that the “New Libs on the Bloc” were planning this weeks, if not months, prior to our election.

Technically, it’s legit. If they have the seats they get the power.

Practically, it struck me that the Liberals could be in a position where they wouldn’t see power for years as this was likely to blow up in their faces. Teaming up with the NDP who haven’t a clue about governing or the economy in a time when the economy was struggling and likely to continue so AND with the support of the BQ, a party that doesn’t give a rat’s-*ss about the rest of Canada.

Oh Canada.

*sigh*

MT

Mistahtibbs on December 4, 2008 at 3:28 PM

mjk – I’m sorry, what part of minority do you not understand? Are you a sock-puppet for Joe “who?” Clark perhaps?

As to 9/11, in most parts of Canada it took about 48-72 hours before people started saying that America deserved it – which just makes them preemptive Democrats.

Even in my Reserve Army unit there were people peddling this line (one of them my boss, which almost got very interesting in the Senior NCOs Mess).

holdfast on December 4, 2008 at 3:34 PM

Dave, I’m afraid to say it was quite common. I too was in Toronto at the time. I’ve heard similar stories all over the world.

MrX on December 4, 2008 at 3:16 PM
——
You heard stories. WOW. Quite common? Really? So where did these amazing stories take place?

Dave Rywall on December 4, 2008 at 3:35 PM

So are you, Dave the allegedly Canadian troll. So, tell us all about these goings-on: analyze them from your supposedly Canadian perspective. Kiss the ass of NDP, maybe

Janos Hunyadi on December 4, 2008 at 3:23 PM
——
Ah the king of Hungary is too lazy to read Canadian press. Sorry I can’t hold your hand on this one.

Dave Rywall on December 4, 2008 at 3:36 PM

Then the infamous “Town Hall” meeting on CBC that night, with live “America asked for it”s for an hour or two.

Yeah, this happened at about the same time that the American media were starting to ask the same thing.

Maybe Toronto has more of the ultralefties cut of the same cloth as your Berkeley-oids.

But don’t equate Toronto with the country. My neighbourhood elsewhere in Ontario was full of windows with American flags.

ProfessorMiao on December 4, 2008 at 3:36 PM

As to 9/11, in most parts of Canada it took about 48-72 hours before people started saying that America deserved it – which just makes them preemptive Democrats.

That’s a gross generalization, and you know it.

I live in Toronto, and EVERYONE I talked to or even heard talking about 9/11, expressed grief about what happened.

I guess you live in a different part of town.

You-Eh-Vee on December 4, 2008 at 3:40 PM

You-Eh-Vee – Actually I was in Vancouver (having just returned from a summer internship in NY), and the sentiment was as I described. There was a lot of sadness and grief, I grant you, but that was not incompatible with the commonly held view that American foreign policy (or capitalism, or consumerism, or obesity, etc) was at the “root cause”. A lot of “educated” Canadians are raised on Micheal Moore and Noam Chomsky – even if they don’t buy in all the way, it colours their thinking.

holdfast on December 4, 2008 at 3:52 PM

strange our neighbors are…

Kaptain Amerika on December 4, 2008 at 3:55 PM

This is not a sad day for Canada. It’s a good day for democracy.

We voted in the last federal election, the Conservatives won, that’s it. If those sneaky power-grabbers had gotten their way, it would have negated my vote and the vote of every other Canadian. Either our votes count or they don’t. Either we live in a democracy or we don’t. Why bother voting if the political leaders can make up their own rules and decide for themselves who will run the show?

And, yes, the Prime Minister could have gone over the Governor General’s head and appealed to the Queen.

Josephine on December 4, 2008 at 4:06 PM

Eh?

ScottMcC on December 4, 2008 at 4:15 PM

Canada isn’t America’s Hat, it’s America’s Helmet. They protect us from the North Pole and from the Russkies (DEW Line).

Don Carne on December 4, 2008 at 4:28 PM

Seriously, why is Canadian political parties dependent on government welfare? I thought Canada was fairly wealthy, surely they can afford to raise money privately among its citizenry like her in the US?

Oh, I forgot. Confiscatory tax rates.

Norwegian on December 4, 2008 at 4:38 PM

No, socialist nutters.

Don Carne on December 4, 2008 at 4:40 PM

Maybe we should get the three Canadian parties to call a new election HERE and get rid of Obama.

Steve Z on December 4, 2008 at 4:44 PM

I saw the awesome power of Her Majesty when I (an American citizen) was bringing in the New Year – Y2K safely in the bosom of an Alberta Pub when at about 1:00 am she proclaimed that all bars could stay open for an extra hour! You should’ve heard the cheers and chorus of “God Save the Queen”.

She could easily override any decision made by the lowly Governor-General.

captconrad on December 4, 2008 at 4:57 PM

To BKennedy

at least…… unlike the USA….. our elections only last 5 weeks……..

jordy2009 on December 4, 2008 at 5:46 PM

Canada who?

Badger40 on December 4, 2008 at 2:17 PM

Canada “who was taken more casualties and made a larger commitment in numbers to Afghanistan per capita than any other country including the United States”. That Canada. Being ignorant of the rest of the planet isn’t cute.

alex342 on December 4, 2008 at 5:54 PM

I agree with Ed’s friend for the most part. By prerogating Parliament for no other reason than to prevent a government defeat when there is not further legislation on the docket is a misuse of that power and it will set a bad precedent whereby any future PM who wants to avoid being defeated will simply expect the Governor-General to jump in and save them. The Conservative government lost the confidence of the House, for good or ill, and cannot therefore claim legitimacy.

alex342 on December 4, 2008 at 5:58 PM

I was in Toronto on 9/11. Those who didn’t cheer outloud did so quietly.

KillerKane on December 4, 2008 at 2:58 PM


some may have. What I did was send $100 to the relief effort in New York City. Got a nice letter from Gov. Whatisname.

don’t tar us all w the same brush…

BillBC on December 4, 2008 at 5:58 PM

“The Conservative government lost the confidence of the House, for good or ill, and cannot therefore claim legitimacy.”

was there a vote of confidence? Must have missed that….

BillBC on December 4, 2008 at 6:00 PM

alex432 – I am very proud of Canada’s commitment to Afstan, but even per capita the US has a larger presence. Canada has about 2,700 folks in country – the US, with about 10 times the population of Canada has at least 32,000 in country, with a bunch more on the way. The UK, with a little more than twice our population has 8,760 in Afstan.

As to fatal casualties, well Canada has suffered a disproportionately high number. Sadly, a significant portion (probably about half) were losses to IEDs that should never have occurred. The Liberal government had no idea what it was getting us into in Kandahar and we went in without the helicopters and route clearance vehicles that we should have had. The lack of helicopters meant more dangerous convoys that should not have been run – other countries would have used heavy choppers, but we had none. The lack of choppers also meant no medevac dustoff – although the US stepped up and helped wherever possible, the lack very likely cost some lives. Finally, we only recently acquired proper route clearance vehicles, years after the US made their use routine – again, more unnecessary losses to IEDs.

holdfast on December 4, 2008 at 6:06 PM

alex432 – and Dion has lost the confidence of his own party, never mind the Canadian people – not exactly PM material. Anyway, if the Torys can’t pass a budget in the New Year, then Dion and his amigos can try again. If the Libs had any brains they would accelerate their leadership process and then try to form a new government.

holdfast on December 4, 2008 at 6:09 PM

“Instead, they wanted to take an (almost) unprecendented step to force the plurality party into opposition. Under those circumstances, Jean acted in the most rational way possible.”

This is not unprecedented. It happens occasionally specifically because they are parliamentary democracies. If a group of parliamentarians from different parties form an alliance which exceeds the numbers of the party with the most votes in an election then the party cannot govern. The new group has a governing majority and in this case Harper’s party is unable to govern.

davod on December 4, 2008 at 6:25 PM

BillBC on December 4, 2008 at 6:00 PM

The government is formed by the party(parties) that can hold the support of a majority of MPs. No vote required on our part. On their part, the Governor-General just saved the government from facing one.

I do not want the coalition in power or Dion as PM but it’s not unconstitutional in any way, shape or form.

alex342 on December 4, 2008 at 6:28 PM

alex342 “but it’s not unconstitutional in any way, shape or form.”

I didn’t say it was. It’s not unconstitutional, just slimy and bad for the country, but those considerations don’t stop politicians….

I agree with you. I don’t want them either.

Seems to me this episode is a huge argument against proportional representation, which was floated in BC a while ago.

BillBC on December 4, 2008 at 6:39 PM

The governor general of Canada is only a rubber-stamp authority. I haven’t heard of a single bill that did not get “royal ascent” or a request (order) of a PM that were not acted upon, in several decades. Jean did what she was supposed to do, maintaining the non-interventionist nature of the relationship between Canada and the Queen of the UK. “Cowardice,” as the Canadian blogger has implied, has nothing to do with it.

AlexB on December 4, 2008 at 6:49 PM

Isn’t Drywall a liberal Canadian? I wonder if he works with the Dion media team on speech presentation. Somehow, his name just came to mind.

a capella on December 4, 2008 at 2:31 PM

Same here. I read ‘Queen of Britain, Canadian, no one cares’.

BigWyo on December 4, 2008 at 7:04 PM

at least…… unlike the USA….. our elections only last 5 weeks……..

jordy2009 on December 4, 2008 at 5:46 PM

Great point. You get no brake on the others, but on this one, you win. Too bad you have so many, though.

Entelechy on December 4, 2008 at 7:14 PM

Plus, jordy2009, get rid of that queen. You are Canada, for crying out loud, and this is almost 2009!

Entelechy on December 4, 2008 at 7:15 PM

The only American flags I saw in Canada post-9/11 were on fire trucks and the one on my lapel. Otherwise, they praised the attacks.

KillerKane on December 4, 2008 at 7:27 PM

I lived in Toronto for many years. I wasn’t there on 9/11 but have no doubt that the general population was in the ‘they deserved it’ camp. Canadians are some of the most virulent anti-Americans you will ever meet….and yet for some reason they all seem to go to Florida for their spring break.

angryed on December 4, 2008 at 7:38 PM

What really annoyed me about Canada’s response to 9/11 was the alleged lack of American gratitude. It never occurred to anyone in Canada to say “Hey, got your back” and not think about any compensation. Some friend!

THE worst part was when Bush did not mention Canada in his Sept 20 2001 speech to Congress. Even though only a handful of countries were included in the speech, most in Canada took it as an insult. Yet, no one from France, Germany, Italy, Australia, Spain, etc, etc, etc, complained.

Canada is one seriously messed up country. I hope Alberta secedes and takes its rightful place as the 51st State in the Union.

KillerKane on December 4, 2008 at 7:38 PM

I hesitate to call the governor general, Michaëlle Jean, a coward, but her decision, I think, was a poor one. Either she should have dissolved Parliament and called an election, or she should have given the coalition, which holds a majority of the seats in the House, the chance to govern. Instead, in granting Harper’s request, she has gone along with what the Conservatives want, parliamentary democracy be damned, and given them the upper hand in terms of the campaign to come. Basically, she has saved Harper’s sorry bacon, evidently putting his interests before the interests of the country.

The above comment is ludicrous. Canadians just held a national election 6-7 weeks ago and voted Stephen Harper to be their Prime Minister. A national election ended literally, only a few weeks ago! What we have here is a Socialist (Jack Layton) a Separatist (Gilles Duceppe) and a Liberal leader Stephane Dion, who’s own party wants to replace him in a couple months because of his innefectiveness, attempting to overide Canadian voters with a back-room coup d’état! Why did Canadians even bother to vote?? This is nothing more than a communistic political coup/scam by the Three Stooges.

It is a sad day for Canada.

Sure it is. When a nations citizens vote and a few weeks later 3 disgruntled politicians can overturn that vote on a whim it is a sad day for Canada. People should be pouring out on the streets in protest! Unbelievable. Harper should stand firm and fight this all the way!!

apacalyps on December 4, 2008 at 8:28 PM

Thank Goodness I don’t live in America’s Hat. Parliament is crazy.

Please, Canadians take great offense to that!

They like to call themselves America’s tuque.

viking999 on December 4, 2008 at 8:36 PM

Plus, jordy2009, get rid of that queen. You are Canada, for crying out loud, and this is almost 2009!

Entelechy on December 4, 2008 at 7:15 PM

The monarchy is one of those checks and balances necessary to prevent tyranny.

If you look at a list of the freest, most prosperous, most democratic nations, they are mostly constitutional monarchies. America is one of the rare exceptions.

But if you look at the bottom of the list, and check out the least free, least prosperous, least democratic nations, you mostly find republics.

And you want us to give up the queen in order to be modern?

Don’t be silly.

Johnny 100 Pesos on December 4, 2008 at 8:44 PM

You-Eh-Vee
Don’t give up being proud of and defending Canada, The United States’ best and most reliable friend. We in the oil patch appreciate you. On 9/11, when the towers were destroyed by the barbarians, the Canadian officers present where I was did not cheer as some A-O stated, but demanded vengance and earnestly tried to help in any way they could.

MrX
I hear that Canada will not have a Government for the next two months. Good Job! How did you do that? Will you tell your cousins in the lower 48 what we can do to get rid of our government for at least that long. That is a consummation devoutly to be wished!

Old Country Boy on December 4, 2008 at 8:46 PM

Good article. Much improved from the one immediately after the Canadian election.

Gaunilon on December 4, 2008 at 9:53 PM

It looks like the people are speaking out. (And none of the sources are conservative, just usual MSM ones.)

BTW, MrX is full of it re. not having a government for the next two months. 1) the Parliamentary Christmas break begins next week (Friday, I think), so they wouldn’t be sitting from then until late January anyway; 2) the Harper government is still the government with the PM and his cabinet still entitled to make decisions; 3) the 2008 budget runs to May (or April?) 1st using the business calendar and not the ordinary calendar year-end (BTW, it has surplus) so the country isn’t floundering around without a budget or the like; and, “Yes, Prime Minister”, our impartial civil service actually does the work, so no one is going to be going without e.g. a passport or getting pay to the civil service or pensioners or troops in the field or anything else because “there’s no one running the government” (which, in point of fact, there still is anyway–see point 2, above).

andycanuck on December 4, 2008 at 11:30 PM

Here’s some logic for the “coalition” to chew on .. Harper they claim is not legitimate as he got 38% of the votes .. When was the last time a party won with better than 50% .. the 50’s I think.. The PC’s under Dief..

Next thing to ponder.. what about MP’s.?? how many got 50% +1??

What about Ujal “Landslide” Dosanjh.. how is he legitimate with his 22 vote win .. what if the losing candidates form a coalition, pool their votes, does he lose his seat???

Points to ponder lefties …

dugbru on December 5, 2008 at 12:42 AM

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