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posted at 10:48 pm on December 3, 2008 by Allahpundit
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It comes at around 45 seconds in. Tom Friedman wanted to see protests in Pakistan, did he? Here you go, champ. Wish granted. Click the image to watch.
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What’s with the two guys holding hands (at 17 seconds into the video)? Is that a cultural thing, or teh geh?
jgapinoy on December 3, 2008 at 10:51 PM
“Self-inflicted terrorism”? Do they really believe that?
jgapinoy on December 3, 2008 at 10:54 PM
Let me reiterate my comment from earlier today.
Islam is pure unadulterated filth, a cult of murderous, sexist pedophiles that thrive on blood lust and subjugation. The silence of the “moderates” has been deafening.
Religion of Peace my a$$!
dmann on December 3, 2008 at 12:57 PM
dmann on December 3, 2008 at 10:58 PM
Me thinks its glorious Liberal window dressing!
Well,see,see some are protesting!
As I listen,and look at the ceiling,
and I *roll my eyes*,yup,their upset
all right!(Sarc!)a hem.
canopfor on December 3, 2008 at 10:59 PM
“Mostly Students”…why are the rabble always called students? What colleges do they attend, what are their GPAs are any of them on basketball scholarships? Reminds of the kid glove treatment the Iranians got during the hostage crisis in the 80s. The media needs to wake up.
Tommy_G on December 3, 2008 at 11:00 PM
I thought there was a million man march in Islamabad a couple of years ago against terrorism. Or doesn’t that count if it’s on McChimpyHalliburton’s watch?
PattyJ on December 3, 2008 at 11:00 PM
These people really need to get laid once in a while. That, toilet paper, and air conditioning.
amerpundit on December 3, 2008 at 11:00 PM
Exactly! + 1
Neocon Peg on December 3, 2008 at 11:01 PM
IMO, that’s because it’s founder was a filthy, murderous, sexist pedophile. How can you be both a moderate Muslim & true to it’s founder?
jgapinoy on December 3, 2008 at 11:02 PM
That’s part of the problem, they’re not even allowed to look at women. Gotta take their frustrations out somehow.
Tommy_G on December 3, 2008 at 11:04 PM
You cannot. That is why there are no moderate muslims. To be true to the Prophet, you must be true to His tenant. Convert or kill all infidels. That is the tenant of their “religion”
Neocon Peg on December 3, 2008 at 11:05 PM
Maybe we can all chip-in for a few HBO subscriptions. After all these years of censorship, they’d never leave the house.
amerpundit on December 3, 2008 at 11:06 PM
Did anyone catch which flags they were burning at the end, there? I couldn’t tell, for sure.
progressoverpeace on December 3, 2008 at 11:06 PM
You say that like those things are bad, Infidel. You need to read the Holy Koran and learn how all those are really good and emulate the Perfect man, Mohammad.
Aleph on December 3, 2008 at 11:10 PM
You don’t see Christians or Jewish yelling “Convert or die!” do ya! The Dhali Llama doesn’t slit peoples throats for not choosing his religion. So what part of “Religion of Peace” doesn’t make sense? Oh yeah! It must be that Peace thing…in the immortal words of Rodney King, “C..Can’t we all just get along?” If you ask any muslim, no, I don’t guess we can!
Vntnrse on December 3, 2008 at 11:12 PM
In the Middle East, holding hands doesn’t have the stigma it does here.
OneGyT on December 3, 2008 at 11:12 PM
Was that Islamic Rage Boy in the beginning of the clip?
morganfrost on December 3, 2008 at 11:14 PM
Thanks. I figured that. If they were so openly teh geh, they’d be dead by now.
jgapinoy on December 3, 2008 at 11:15 PM
Neither does sex with animals. Just sayin’ …
progressoverpeace on December 3, 2008 at 11:15 PM
If an American neo-Nazi terrorist group had killed a bunch of innocent civilians in a foreign country, and if the American government failed to respond appropriately by destroying the group and handing over their heads, actually sheltering the group instead, the foreign country would be entirely within their rights to come into the US and terminate the group themselves. In such a scenario, I would encourage them to do so. Our own government would need to be replaced as well.
If the foreign country did this, wiping out every last one of the neo-Nazi’s, I would celebrate the victory right along with them. And if American’s sympathetic to the decimated neo-Nazi group turned out in the streets and protested the foreign government’s actions, I would encourage the foreign government to wipe the muther effers out of existence too. Good riddance!
So when I say that the protest march depicted in the video is an excellent example of a target rich environment, I really mean it. Let’s kill those muther effers!
And if killing these terrorists and their sympathizers causes even more terrorists and their sympathizers to crawl out of the woodwork and take to the streets, I really mean it when I saw we should kill all of them too!
The reality is that the vaunted “moderate Muslim” is not going to care about terrorists being killed en mass. Their going to celebrate it in the privacy of their own domiciles just like the rest of us would if a neo-Nazi terrorist group and their supporters were eliminated, in whatever numbers.
The more the merrier!
FloatingRock on December 3, 2008 at 11:25 PM
Students? Dudes were bout 35. Also only guy students? Not 1 chick.
Alden Pyle on December 3, 2008 at 11:27 PM
Top that, Onion.
Reaps on December 3, 2008 at 11:28 PM
We are slowly digging our own graves when it comes to moral and cultural relativity. The tolerance and acceptance of openly hostile religious, political and social values in the name of “liberal progressive enlightenment” can only lead to conflict. As many smart people have said; the goals of Islam and Judeo-Christian Democracies are diametrically opposed. Our continued insistence to downplay or ignoring this reality is leading us into treacherous waters.
dmann on December 3, 2008 at 11:29 PM
They also said that 9/11 was self inflicted. Denial at its best….
DL13 on December 3, 2008 at 11:31 PM
HA!
Yeah, I’m having a hard time believing anyone that claims Islam is anything but a peaceful religion.
However, there are still some Muslims out there that have condemned this. Silent voices from the majority of Islam have not come out and condemned these acts of terrorism.
Which is sad because it makes them look complicitous.
Kini on December 3, 2008 at 11:32 PM
They won’t be able to deny anything once they’re dead.
FloatingRock on December 3, 2008 at 11:33 PM
lol @ “self-inflicted” terrorism, just a matter of time before the lefty KOS and Huffpo truthers join in their chants and start calling it an ‘inside job’ like 9/11.
These are the armies of Allah, whether in Pakistan, Iran, Palestine, India, Afghanistan or Europe, all shouting the same message of rage and hatred for us non-muslims.
I don’t know why people in democracies over-complicate things, you don’t need “US intelligence” and “forensics” to see what’s plain as the nose on your face. Islam is at war with us, let’s defeat them and make them tremble at the idea of ever whispering the name of their pedophile prophet again.
thinkagain on December 3, 2008 at 11:35 PM
Remember Pakistan is your best friend in this affair. The most important challenge in the world is fed via Pakistans super highways. Fuk India, there is a thousand Mullahs in Afghanistan going to bed tonight without a Koran kissed by the American General Staff. Fireball forward fools!
BL@KBIRD on December 3, 2008 at 11:36 PM
They don’t like women. If there was a woman wandering around with this crowd. There would be either the following:
Public Stoning
Public Hanging
Public Shooting
Public Beheading
Public Acid in the Face
Public execution in only the minds of the demented writings that the Qumran can come up with.
Kini on December 3, 2008 at 11:36 PM
It’s Slaughterhouse Five….
Islam vs Hindu vs Buddist vs Christ in the Darwin Arena.
Tickets go on sale January 20th.
Limerick on December 3, 2008 at 11:37 PM
“Self-inflicted terrorism”?!?!?!?
Go tell that to the parents of the poor Rabbi and his wife, who were tortured and killed with a few others at their prayer center, most probably in full view of their 2-year-old son. Or even worse, they better go tell that to that little orphan boy himself. Let’s see if he understands why his pants soaked the blood of his parents.
Yeah, that void in that little boy’s heart because his mommy is no longer there to wipe his tears was “self-inflicted”…
Those bastards who did this should pay for their crimes, from here to eternity!
newton on December 3, 2008 at 11:39 PM
Its refreshing to be on a board with people who “get it” about Islam, rather than to educate and *facepalm* at liberals all day who, in knee-jerk fashion take the side of our jihadist enemies.
thinkagain on December 3, 2008 at 11:39 PM
They don’t create. They only destroy.
Tzetzes on December 3, 2008 at 11:44 PM
I do not think that word means what you think it means.
Tzetzes on December 3, 2008 at 11:46 PM
Just carrying on with the tradition of Muhammad and Tarik Ibn Zayid
blatantblue on December 3, 2008 at 11:47 PM
We are regressing. Civilization was a myth.
Schadenfreude on December 3, 2008 at 11:47 PM
Ctrl/Alt/Del
Limerick on December 3, 2008 at 11:48 PM
“That’s part of the problem, they’re not even allowed to look at women. Gotta take their frustrations out somehow.”
…what makes you think they don’t look at women??? I was watching the military channel last week, they had a show following marines that were hunting down these pathetic animals and when they cleared houses and confiscated some laptops there was a bunch of porn all over it, the marines even made comments about how they find that constantly from these self righteous POS. I mean lets not pretend these clowns actually play by the rules of the religion they are oh so devoted to. Makes me f*@)!&! sick, but this video doesn’t surprise me in the least.
SoxNation on December 3, 2008 at 11:49 PM
I wonder what he finds when he picks his nose. :0
abobo on December 3, 2008 at 11:50 PM
Exactly!
After all the totally free money that has flowed to the islamic world through oil (trillions) they have nothing to show for it. Not a thing. No industry. No educated masses. Nothing, except for the instability they’ve caused in the world.
Ibn Khaldun spoke about this (with respect to the arabs) in the 14th century (The Muqadimmah):
As arabs have taken over much of islam (thanks to oil money) and Persian society really hit the skids a while ago, this is what all of islam looks like, today.
progressoverpeace on December 3, 2008 at 11:56 PM
He looks impertinent, as most of them do. They ask for something.
Entelechy on December 3, 2008 at 11:56 PM
OT…Gunny Highway appearing on AMC…..ooorah!
dmann on December 4, 2008 at 12:00 AM
progressoverpeace, you made my case
Schadenfreude on December 4, 2008 at 12:00 AM
Islamists are obviously downing the latest “truther” brew but when can we expect our own domestic truthers to jump on the denial, blame govt conspiracy band wagon?
When can we see our first debunking movie?
I want to see the clowns behind Spare Change and all the other agit-prop vids start deconstructing this latest terrorist attack.
Surely there is more than Deepak Chopra’s vapid banality.
moxie_neanderthal on December 4, 2008 at 12:06 AM
Thank Ibn Khaldun, Schadenfreude. I recommend reading some of The Muqadimmah. Very interesting stuff and tons of great quotes to be found. It’s amazing how static things have been in some parts of the world.
progressoverpeace on December 4, 2008 at 12:06 AM
If you accuse them of terrorism, they threaten you.
That used to be an amusing concept.
Now it just makes me sick.
Any decent religion plagued with this problem would have sent a team into the field to clean up these messes. As there is no islamic strike force going after these pigs, we are left to clean up the mess, and they make no effort to distinguish the good from the bad.
I hate to say this, but a crusade is needed. It is us versus them.
redshirt on December 4, 2008 at 12:07 AM
OT, but I think that every nuclear ICBM in the U.S. inventory should have those 12 characters painted on the side of them. What do you think collie?
My collie says:
CyberCipher on December 4, 2008 at 12:10 AM
Well, Arabs are slowly being out religioned by the Indo-Chinese and Asians in Islam.
I don’t agree with the notion that Islam is against creation. The reason so many nations have nothing to say for their oil production is due to regimes. Not to Islam.
Islam does not forbid creation or science, in fact it is welcomed. This is seen with Sayyid Qutb, Ayman Al-Zawahiri, the 9/11 hijackers (since many were engineers), Ramzi Yousef, etc., etc.
Sayyid Qutb wrote in his book “Milestones” about his appreciation for Western science and technology, but his disdain for our morality, values, and cultural traditions.
Qutb also described the realm of Jahiliyya, the lands and realms of the infidel. He describes how we as secular men, who live under the law of men, are restrained and not free, as we are not free to worship and work for Allah as we please. As secular men, we are not creating technology in the shadow of Allah.
I don’t think Islam destroys because of a disdain for technology itself. I think Islam destroys and perturbs technology because they have a suspicious attitude towards it. Muslims worry that technology created by secular, non-Muslim, Christian, or Jewish men is not made in the worship of Allah.
I hope I’m explaining myself correctly. To sum it up, Islam dislikes technology not made by traditional and strict Muslims, as it is a sort of jahiliyyah technology.
blatantblue on December 4, 2008 at 12:12 AM
As long as the Muslim population remains around 1% of any given country they will be regarded as a peace-loving minority and not as a threat to anyone. In fact, they may be featured in articles and films, stereotyped for their colourful uniqueness:
United States — Muslim 1.0%
Australia — Muslim 1.5%
Canada — Muslim 1.9%
China — Muslim 1%-2%
Italy — Muslim 1.5%
Norway — Muslim 1.8%
At 2% and 3% they begin to proselytize from other ethnic minorities and disaffected groups with major recruiting from the jails and among street gangs:
Denmark — Muslim 2%
Germany — Muslim 3.7%
United Kingdom — Muslim 2.7%
Spain — Muslim 4%
Thailand — Muslim 4.6%
From 5% on they exercise an inordinate influence in proportion to their percentage of the population.
They will push for the introduction of halal (clean by Islamic standards) food, thereby securing food preparation jobs for Muslims. They will increase pressure on supermarket chains to feature it on their shelves — along with threats for failure to comply.
France — Muslim 8%
Philippines — Muslim 5%
Sweden — Muslim 5%
Switzerland — Muslim 4.3%
The Netherlands — Muslim 5.5%
Trinidad &Tobago — Muslim 5.8%
At this point, they will work to get the ruling government to allow them to rule themselves under Sharia, the Islamic Law. The ultimate goal of Islam is not to convert the world but to establish Sharia law over the entire world.
When Muslims reach 10% of the population, they will increase lawlessness as a means of complaint about their conditions ( Paris –car-burnings). Any non-Muslim action that offends Islam will result in uprisings and threats ( Amsterdam – Mohammed cartoons).
Guyana — Muslim 10%
India — Muslim 13.4%
Israel — Muslim 16%
Kenya — Muslim 10%
Russia — Muslim 10-15%
After reaching 20% expect hair-trigger rioting, jihad militia formations, sporadic killings and church and synagogue burning:
Ethiopia — Muslim 32.8%
At 40% you will find widespread massacres, chronic terror attacks and ongoing militia warfare:
Bosnia — Muslim 40%
Chad — Muslim 53.1%
Lebanon — Muslim 59.7%
From 60% you may expect unfettered persecution of non-believers and other religions, sporadic ethnic cleansing (genocide), use of Sharia Law as a weapon and Jizya, the tax placed on infidels:
Albania — Muslim 70%
Malaysia — Muslim 60.4%
Qatar — Muslim 77.5%
Sudan — Muslim 70%
After 80% expect State run ethnic cleansing and genocide:
Bangladesh — Muslim 83%
Egypt — Muslim 90%
Gaza — Muslim 98.7%
Indonesia — Muslim 86.1%
Iran — Muslim 98%
Iraq — Muslim 97%
Jordan — Muslim 92%
Morocco — Muslim 98.7%
Pakistan — Muslim 97%
Palestine — Muslim 99%
Syria — Muslim 90%
Tajikistan — Muslim 90%
Turkey — Muslim 99.8%
United Arab Emirates — Muslim 96%
100% will usher in the peace of ‘Dar-es-Salaam’ — the Islamic House of Peace — there’s supposed to be peace because everybody is a Muslim:
Afghanistan — Muslim 100%
Saudi Arabia — Muslim 100%
Somalia — Muslim 100%
Yemen — Muslim 99.9%
Of course, that’s not the case. To satisfy their blood lust, Muslims then start killing each other for a variety of reasons.
http://www.frontline.org.za/books_videos/sti.htm “Slavery, Terrorism and Islam”, Dr. Peter Hammond.
UnderstandingisPower on December 4, 2008 at 12:16 AM
I was referring more to culture than religion, and the cultures that have been funding and running islam in modern times. But your points are well taken and your explanation was quite clear.
progressoverpeace on December 4, 2008 at 12:20 AM
Well now that I see you mean culture, I’m in agreement
blatantblue on December 4, 2008 at 12:24 AM
Why is he wearing a pie crust on his head?
Bishop on December 4, 2008 at 12:25 AM
Then, what the fark have they created, lately?
Also, it is said that the people receive the government they deserve.
We do too.
Entelechy on December 4, 2008 at 12:26 AM
No question that air conditioning and toilet paper would do much to curtail extremism in the arab world. And shaving. If I had all that dirty hair on my face, all itchy like, I would be irritable too. And more greenery. The arab world is devoid of indigenous greenery. They need calming peaceful forests to soothe their savage souls. All that hot, dry sand blowing in your face would make anyone irate. The covered women naturally make them angry and bitter at the lack of accessible females with which to mate. That tends to put any man on edge. No art, no theatre, no pop culture, comedy can not be good century after century. It stifles the mind and dulls the soul while diminishing the intellectual facets that separate human from animal.
Added all up, the arab world is a perfect storm of hot temperatures, itchy bums, sand in the mouth, dirt floors, non-existent women, and no entertainment. It is really a recipe for turning any human being into a raving lunatic.
Naturally, this has been the case for centuries and was the case when Mohammad, the progenitor of the religion, walked the place, so naturally, he created a values system that doomed the area to stay hot, itchy, sandy, dirty, and womenless as it was essentially before. Except he codified it into a book which unified the nomadic desert tribes. This brought them power and respect, but doomed them to remain hot, itchy and angry.
A culture is a product of its geographical location. Religion is a byproduct of culture. Islam can never change because the geography will never change. If you took 1 billion muslims and put them north of the arctic circle and came back in 2000 years, what would you find? I am willing to bet you would find a bunch of fair skinned people making furniture and putting it into flat boxes for easy transport and assembly.
keep the change on December 4, 2008 at 12:26 AM
Not a ton, but I suppose we can look to people such as A.Q. Khan and the development of atomic technology for Muslim countries like Pakistan and Libya
blatantblue on December 4, 2008 at 12:32 AM
I’ll chip in for the Rust-O-leum
Limerick on December 4, 2008 at 12:33 AM
Heh, Bishop, no, it’s an inverted sieve, so all that brainpower can breathe.
blatantblue, I meant as a people, not as a unique individual here or there.
Entelechy on December 4, 2008 at 12:34 AM
Don’t get too excited. I was only emphasizing culture, but I still think that islam (being the formalization of desert arab dulture) is a great, as Churchill put it, “retrograde influence”, as it already set the perfect man and the perfect life.
I see this portrayed most slearly and simply in islam by the move backwards to a full lunar calendar and the death penalty for anyone who tries to insert intercalaries, to keep with the solar year. This I always found very odd, since Judaism was based on the move from nomad to agrarian, and had to adjust the lunar calendar to keep with the seasons, while Mohammed made the move backwards, thousands of years later.
But I look to underlying cultures for more motivations than just the cultural overlay, and restrictions, that islam puts on a society.
progressoverpeace on December 4, 2008 at 12:35 AM
Technology is driven by the individual. Creation is the offspring of individual minds, diffused and accepted into a people.
blatantblue on December 4, 2008 at 12:35 AM
….. you forgot the “Esc” keystroke, my friend.
…. 5… 4… 3… 2…. 1… (birds flying away).
Seven Percent Solution on December 4, 2008 at 12:39 AM
I’m 110% with that. That’s why I look at the global war as:
Individualism/Guilt/Atonement versus Tribalism/Shame/Revenge
progressoverpeace on December 4, 2008 at 12:42 AM
Prove what this has created in that world, lately.
Entelechy on December 4, 2008 at 12:42 AM
to play against my own argument a bit:
its hard to figure out Islam, science, and technology.
To muslims, all the answers one needs in life are in the Qur’an. So I suppose one could venture a guess and say that Islam itself is anti exploration, as all that is needed is all that is provided in the Qur’an and Sunnah.
At the same time, I don’t think Muslims are necessarily anti-technology. Cell phones, GPS, nukes, TV, radio, cars, refrigeration. These modern abilities seem to fall within acceptance in Islam.
I guess its the way its looked at.
If science and tech are created and used as an ALTERNATIVE to Allah, Muslims dislike it. If it is created in the path of Allah, it is accepted.
Its hard to put my finger on
anyway im beat, class early
blatantblue on December 4, 2008 at 12:43 AM
“Students” = taliban in english
“college” = madarassa
macncheez on December 4, 2008 at 12:45 AM
And the founder of Judaism came within a hair’s breadth of killing his own son, while the founder of Christianity spent significant time with sinners, criminals, and other undesirable elements. Can we find objectionable things in the Koran? Yes. But that’s not why this is happening, since the Pakistanis read the same Koran as the Turks and the Kurds and the Kosovars and the Albanians (those that practice, at least). Don’t paint all Muslims with the same brush. Even ignoring the clumsy inaccuracies of doing so, telling people that they believe in a terrorist religion justifies the terrorism, when we should be trying to turn them away from terrorism (which is possible) not Islam (which is not).
calbear on December 4, 2008 at 12:49 AM
Damn my infidel keyboard and western spellcheck…..
Straps virtual bomb on self….
Kini on December 4, 2008 at 12:53 AM
Wow, that’s well done and disturbing to say the least. Knowledge is power. Makes you wonder if we’ll ever be able prevent this civilization destroying disease from taking over given the level of ignorance out there.
Britain is already succumbing, France is pretending its not happening while in the US the leftists have stolen power and are working to disarm us while our enemies become bolder and more violent.
thinkagain on December 4, 2008 at 12:54 AM
I would just remind you that Ataturk made sure to charge the military with keeping a strict eye on islamic influences in politics and to disband the government if they thought it had gotten too islamic (which has already happened 3 times in Turkey’s history and will probably have to happen again, soon). Ataturk understood islam better than most Westerners and understood the religion’s call to grab the power of state. While many in the West look at Turkey as a “democracy”, they tend to forget that the military is the ultimate Constitutional power, there, which is anathema to Western notions of governance.
progressoverpeace on December 4, 2008 at 12:57 AM
The real protest was probably about the low body count.
Whatever screws with the infidel dogs’ minds is the Mohammedan motto.
So they scream their disinformation for reflex news consumption.
It could all be stock footage by now… since 700 A.D.
Islamists are stiflingly sterile.
Irritating maniacs with no creative compensations.
For one core reason:
Islam is lame.
Let them fight their way out of that prison.
profitsbeard on December 4, 2008 at 12:59 AM
To be sure, I believe this, and I see it here, even as a result of Muslims’ efforts. I just don’t see it applied in countries where Islam dictates.
profitsbeard, you were missed. Welcome back,
Entelechy on December 4, 2008 at 1:03 AM
Its too late now, muslims did it to themselves. Not only that , they are proud of it. So no one in the media should be apologising when they ( muslims) themselves are celebrating their brutality
Does anyone think that muslims are really actually ashamed of all this carnage ? Anyone has ever been to ANY mosque knows what I am saying.
Time to get real. Time for denial is OVER
And never forget TAQUIYYA
macncheez on December 4, 2008 at 1:03 AM
macncheez, their silence on the recent events in India is indeed deafening.
Entelechy on December 4, 2008 at 1:07 AM
This thread is an embarrassment to HotAir.
There is no monstrous or retrogressive tendency in Islam that hasn’t marked non-Muslim cultures, Judeo-Christian ones in particular, in every setting and every part of the world. When you vent your spleen against the Islamic world, you might as well be attacking your own forefathers – who practiced slavery or would have if they weren’t slaves, who committed genocide or would have if they weren’t fleeing the attempt to achieve it, who feared and hated technology, who believed things intensely and self-righteously that most of us today consider ridiculous, who considered those who believed different things to be unworthy of sympathy, or who showed no sympathy in their actions, who wiped out cities of the enemy to the last child, who tortured with glee and to exert terroristic control, and on and on. And if you believe that all of that is in our distant past, you are ignorant of much in the world, or have been blinded by hatred.
There is no path out of our current problems that is marked by hatred and xenophobia, yet also consistent with our values and aspirations as Americans or Christians. It isn’t just our duty and moral calling, but our only hope to nurture and encourage the best elements of the Islamic world, as, for example, our soldiers have striven so hard and at such great cost to do in Iraq.
It wasn’t a random coincidence that led the Founders to put freedom of religion first among the four freedoms in the Bill of Rights. It was insight borne of hard experience, and the events of the last century and even of last week should have indelibly reinforced how important that insight was. There is nothing more profoundly un-American and more profoundly destructive than to attack someone else’s religion, and to pretend as an outsider that you understand how a believer understands and experiences it. Believing Christians in secular society today, who watch their beliefs being mocked and misconstrued on a daily basis and who rightly protest it, should be the first to assert that fundamental fact.
CK MacLeod on December 4, 2008 at 1:09 AM
To those apologists for Islam I would say look at the body count of the KKK in the last 10 years and compare it with the body count of Islam. Since the KKK have not killed many people lately they must not be such bad guys. In fact, since they’re in the KKK and they’re not killing anyone we can surmise that it isn’t the Klan that inspires killing. It’s just some renegades. Some people in the Klan like puppies. Muslims hate puppies.
How can you defend people who hate puppies?
deewhybee on December 4, 2008 at 1:10 AM
I must admit, I have no idea what you’re driving at, but I see relativism all over your post.
I could not disagree more. For instance, do you think that it would be unamerican to attack a religion that still practices human sacrifice? Can we say that it is within American-ness to at least do that?
Forgetting the finer cultural/religious points, we have to experience their understanding. That’s pretty much all that matters to me.
progressoverpeace on December 4, 2008 at 1:24 AM
Our current strategic defense doctrine (the whole purpose of our strategic nuclear arsenal) is to do exactly that, and that is TODAY. So? It’s a rough world out there.
progressoverpeace on December 4, 2008 at 1:33 AM
You cry for freedom of religion but your religion-Islam will take all our freedoms away. Tolerance for the intolerant is suicidal and allows evil to win.
Take your cut/paste propagandist crap to lefty blogs you’ll find a more gullible and stupid audience there-much like the followers of your death cult.
thinkagain on December 4, 2008 at 1:36 AM
Islam fosters oppression, Islam fosters servitude, Islam fosters cruelty; even more abominable is the fact that it fosters idiocy.
Tav on December 4, 2008 at 1:42 AM
CK Mac…..load,
Let me be as un-American as possible, Islam is a repressive socio-political system for its followers and a potential advisory to all others disguised as religion. You may chose to afford Islam whatever status you’d like that is your prerogative in a free and open secular society. For you to chastise anyone for criticizing Islam and the horrors its followers have perpetrated against all of humanity in the name of Allah is beyond ignorant. In your world of moral relativity the gay protesters in California are as great a threat as the Muslim terrorists that butchered children in Bombay.
As for the use of force, if you pull a gun you better squeeze the trigger. If we could have carpet-bombed Europe and Japan in 1942 the war would have been over in 1943, saving millions of lives. The more I think about what you are advocating the more pathetic you become!
dmann on December 4, 2008 at 1:48 AM
Sink me. Your tailors have betrayed you.
You rather overrate the charms of your Islamic society. I’faith, for one thing, it does seem monstrous ill-dressed for any society.
PercyB on December 4, 2008 at 1:49 AM
Who needs to? Muslims paint themselves according to their own dictates. That’s how they should be judged; not on the color of their Koran, but on the content of their character. If Muslims are rioting in the streets in support of terrorists, let’s kill them and be done with it.
FloatingRock on December 4, 2008 at 1:49 AM
I have never been able to understand why we don’t bomb public demonstrations that call for “Death to America” – especially in countries that have been actively taking our people hostage and killing us. I always figured that people should be held to their word, and if they call for a war with America then I see no problem giving it to them right there.
progressoverpeace on December 4, 2008 at 1:53 AM
Oh, I certainly won’t. It’s one of my favorite scenes.
FloatingRock on December 4, 2008 at 1:56 AM
…Especially the ending.
FloatingRock on December 4, 2008 at 2:00 AM
Indeed, but alas, the Americans, and their STUPID sense of fair play.
PercyB on December 4, 2008 at 2:00 AM
Hmmm..so what about the right to life, to be ALIVE
Does the right to live gets suppressed by the freedom of religion ?
Does freedom of religion apply to the religion of death?
Or everything is so absolute that we have to make sure innocent non-muslims are killed, maimed, beheaded, blown-up, beaten-up just to satisfy some grotesque fantasy of a 7th century barbarian?
macncheez on December 4, 2008 at 2:13 AM
Especially when it’s a state sponsored demonstration by a state that also actively sponsors terrorism.
FloatingRock on December 4, 2008 at 2:14 AM
Here is what I meant by taquiyya
http://www.islam-watch.org/Warner/Taqiyya-Islamic-Principle-Lying-for-Allah.htm
macncheez on December 4, 2008 at 2:20 AM
That was before disciples of one particular religion started mass murdering innocent American civilians, as I recall.
It’s unfortunate, but Islam may be approaching the point of exception. If there is another large scale attack on the US, or maybe two or three, eventually, at some point we may have to, at least, institute a state approved brand of Islam that all Muslims must subscribe to or face deportation.
This idea may seem extreme right now, but it may only be ahead of it’s time. I don’t know.
FloatingRock on December 4, 2008 at 2:22 AM
I was just kidding around, but thanks. :)
FloatingRock on December 4, 2008 at 2:23 AM
They seek it here, they seek it there
Those Dhimmi seek it everywhere
Is it in hiding or is it behind some blind?
That demned elusive moderate Muslim mind
Muslims meddle so with modern evolution
Blowing up something each week
Spoiling every civilized advancement
La, what cheek!
They seek it here, they seek it there
Those Dhimmi seek it everywhere
If you should see it, please do give a yell!
That demned elusive moderate Muslim mind
They seek it here, they seek it there
Those Dhimmi seek it everywhere
Oh, Infidels, how the Imams do implore you
Simply to stay home in bed
If you do much interference
It may become a chore to chop a head!
PercyB on December 4, 2008 at 2:25 AM
I will partially agree with you by saying that I would like to see the elimination of Islam, but, had I lived in early mediaeval Europe, I would have wanted to see the elimination of Christianity. Everything is relative to the times. I live in the here and now, and Islam is the biggest single human threat to my peace and security.
OldEnglish on December 4, 2008 at 2:31 AM
U’r welcome
Anyone here like sphagetti?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1mennuW41L4
macncheez on December 4, 2008 at 2:34 AM
Tolerance for the sake of tolerance is not a virtue.
hillbillyjim on December 4, 2008 at 2:37 AM
er spaghetti
macncheez on December 4, 2008 at 2:37 AM
Yes. Unfortunately, freedoms are subject to the “weakest link”. I always tell people that laws don’t shape society, society breeds laws – and those laws are merely the rules that that society had already operated under, before they were formalized. The introduction of decent numbers of people who have no respect for our most basic laws, and abuse our freedoms, will affect us all – and between them and our conception of proper law and freedom, something will have to give.
That’s it for me, tonight.
progressoverpeace on December 4, 2008 at 2:38 AM
Me too. Goodnight.
FloatingRock on December 4, 2008 at 2:42 AM
Both humorous and sad at the same time.
FloatingRock on December 4, 2008 at 2:46 AM
If you want to pray every day to a rock in the middle of the Arabian desert I have no problem with that. Go right ahead and do it. If you want me to pray to the rock and are willing to kill me if I refuse to, then we have a problem.
It’s the Muslims that need an attitude change not us.
And if you have the time,I’d like a list of those”best elements of the Islamic world”.I can’t think of any right now.
jellybelly on December 4, 2008 at 2:50 AM
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