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posted at 10:48 pm on December 3, 2008 by Allahpundit
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It comes at around 45 seconds in. Tom Friedman wanted to see protests in Pakistan, did he? Here you go, champ. Wish granted. Click the image to watch.
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2.–Save $$$ on razor blades*
3.–Did I mention the architecture?
*–does not include box-cutters
hillbillyjim on December 4, 2008 at 3:15 AM
This may not be the best, but it is the latest
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/article2002041.ece
macncheez on December 4, 2008 at 3:45 AM
And US taxpayers bailed them out
http://archive.gulfnews.com/articles/06/10/02/10071614.html
macncheez on December 4, 2008 at 3:51 AM
That’s right, keep that chin up. Makes it easier to deck you.
NorthernCross on December 4, 2008 at 4:25 AM
Truth.
Benjamin9 on December 4, 2008 at 5:29 AM
Moderate in moderate Muslim means one with a moderate temperature. At least 20 degrees below 98.6 maintained for at least 24 hours.
That’s my definition of what a moderat Muslim should be.
J.J. Sefton on December 4, 2008 at 5:52 AM
freidman is a total phony and fool, I read that article, he actually managed to sneak the Catholic sex scandals in their as a way to provide some type of moral equivalence with the terrorists. He is a Liberal who has some knowledge about the vile forces at work on this planet, but he is an elitist liberal at the core and has never been able to pull himself away from that.
rob verdi on December 4, 2008 at 6:14 AM
So I guess the RoP has no sex scandals with its clergy? Or if all religions have sex scandals, that should establish a baseline to show that humanity is fallen in certain respects, but to add blowing up innocent people on top of that, I think shows a certain barbarism that can not be relatavized to Western society. However, I am also puzzled with the Catholic sex scandals as a measure for comparing favorably terrorists with either catholics or the west in general. There are plenty of secular public schoolteacher sex scandals (probably a higher percentage in public schools than in catholic ones) Does that mean that western countries are morally equivalent to terrorists too? Or is this the last gasp of BDS and once Obama takes office January 20, 2008 these insane comparisons will fly out the window?
eaglewingz08 on December 4, 2008 at 6:50 AM
Tom Friedman is another reason not to read the New York Times. Whatever insight he might seem to have on some point invariably gets offset by some inane, ridiculous argument so that he toes the politically correct line at the New York Times. Don’t bother with him.
Phil Byler on December 4, 2008 at 7:16 AM
Thanks for the post. I have posted several times, alluding to Islam as the “Borg” having nothing at all to do with religion but instead it is a totalitarian political entity using religion as a burka, I have also mentioned a mythical critical mass where the cancer cell that Islam is becomes metastasized. Your link gives an outline as to what that number may actually be.
The amazing thing based on the stats provided is how little in numbers it takes for an extreme minority to have a readily felt impact. Here in the states Universities are installing “foot baths” for religious purposes. Can you imagine Catholics in today’s day and age, asking and getting holy water fountains strategically placed about campus? It boggles the mind.
Europe remains the canary.
patrick neid on December 4, 2008 at 8:10 AM
Did the speaker say that India will become another America, and attack Pakistan for causing this wrath?
I go along with that, India shouldn’t take it, and neither should we.
right2bright on December 4, 2008 at 8:17 AM
No sex scandals for the RoP? Are you all kidding? Y’all never heard about how those boys at the madrassas are booty boys for the mullahs/maulanas/imams, whatever. Those boys are being plugged regularly. Even Osama had his booty boys; it’s a jihadi thing, an Islamic thing, you wouldn’t understand it.
SilentWatcher on December 4, 2008 at 8:21 AM
Rather than kowtowing to the barbarians, I say that we should behave as they accuse us of behaving — smack them around and keep them in line. If we’re going to do the “time”, we may as well do the “crime”.
Obama’s crawling to them for the next 4 years may be a blessing in disguise: we will see how that emboldens them and maybe in 2012 we can elect a smackdown-oriented leader who can see the barbarian threat for what it is.
mr.blacksheep on December 4, 2008 at 8:50 AM
BlatantBlue, Islam does not welcome science. Go back in time and see how the Muslims dealt with those who wanted to introduce Aristotelian scientific rationalism. It was rejected hands down. The Muslims are fond of saying that western civ is based on their achievements. Their “achievements” were actually those of non-Muslims whose societies were invaded and dominated by various caliphs. The great age of Islam was no more than the non-Islamic ideas flowering under Islamic rule. Islamic science is Koranic, and we know how that story goes: if a fly falls into your water, dunk him and drink cuz the disease is on one wing and the cure on the next. Islam uses science against its inventors: cellphones used as bomb triggers, etc. If Islam had a history of science, the Islamic world would not be armpit of it is now. Science requires freedom to question even the most cherished beliefs. No such freedom even today in Islamic countries. Dubai is even buying western learning—they can’t conquer so they buy… for the hour.
SilentWatcher on December 4, 2008 at 9:02 AM
Islam does welcome science. However it depends on how that science is applied, used, and developed.
The father of modern day Sunni, and more specifically Salafi, militancy, Sayyid Qutb, who also was a direct inspiration for al-Qa’eda, and one of the older members of the Muslim Brotherhood, was all for science, but in the pursuit of Allah and his justice. He wrote in Milestones that he appreciated our technological abilities, but disliked what he saw as our cultural decadence and lack of morals.
The point is, Islam, and many Muslims might not support science in the way you do, or the way we like, but they don’t necessarily have a problem with science, technology, and advancement.
Not every place in the Muslim world is an intolerable shi*thole that has no modern technologies. Too many here picture the foothills of Tora Bora as the entire Middle East.
So many places in the Muslim world, like Algeria, Morocco, Tunsia, Jordan, Egypt, and many other places have modern transport practices, communication practices, storage facilities, etc. They might not be the most wealthy, but they certainly aren’t backwater.
So many terrorists are wealthy and educated, mainly in the sciences. Studies prove this. The idea that Islam and Muslims are anti-science is really just a reflexive attack based on a dislike of Islam (that I share).
blatantblue on December 4, 2008 at 9:16 AM
I thought I saw Islamic Rage Boy. It’s good to know that he’s still so gainfully employed.
fleiter on December 4, 2008 at 9:31 AM
Does it pay rent?
Oh. The word you’re looking for is “tenet”, which means something else entirely.
The Monster on December 4, 2008 at 9:42 AM
Ban the NY Media
faraway on December 4, 2008 at 10:17 AM
I’m getting to the discussion late as always, but I’ve gotta disagree with this. Islam is against anything that takes away from the word of Allah, they don’t mind using someone else’s technology if it furthers their cause, but they are against anything “Western” that may detract or cause distraction of muslims from hearing and obeying the literal words of Allah. In Robert Spencer’s book ” The Politically Incorrect Guide to Islam”, there’s a whole chapter called, ‘How Allah Killed Science’.
4shoes on December 4, 2008 at 10:33 AM
Said it way better than I could.
4shoes on December 4, 2008 at 10:36 AM
Hasn’t anyone told that speaker it’s “Pock-e-stan” and not “Pack-e-stan”, now that Obama is in the WH?
eforhan on December 4, 2008 at 11:07 AM
TWO WEEKS AGO:
Rahm — put Hillary in at State and she will no longer be a burden.
Obama — she’ll have her own kingdom and undermine my foreign policy.
Rahm — what foreign policy? Besides, Barry, everyone will be focused on the economy.
Obama — true. It’s not like Israel is going to bomb Iran without our permission or India and Pakistan will be at the brink of war. What harm can she do? I feel better now, Rahm. Fo shizzle!
grdred944 on December 4, 2008 at 11:37 AM
I’ve read spencer, have spent time with him and frequently communicate with him.
I still believe Islam accepts science.
I think of it like jihad Fi sabeel illah. Jihad in the way of Allah.
Science fi sabeel illah. Science is accepted as long as it is true to Islam and illah
blatantblue on December 4, 2008 at 11:45 AM
Oops. Comment was to 4shoes
blatantblue on December 4, 2008 at 11:45 AM
I’m no fan of Islam. In fact I’m a huge opponent to it. Don’t mistake me for an apologist.
At the same time, they are all not backwatered mid east hicks.
Let’s take just the leaders of todays modern Sunni and salafist jihad movement. They are men of science! They are educated and are experts of Islamic jurisprudence and doctrine. I cannot see how this makes Islam anti science.
Perhaps Islam provides a much more narrow role for science, but science, like all other aspects of life for Muslims, is viewed
through the prism of Allah.
blatantblue on December 4, 2008 at 12:12 PM
Well put: You’re so blinded by hatred, you can’t see anything else but objects of hatred. You’re probably like a lot of others here: In addition to accepting effectively the same interpretation of Islam as the Islamists, and in addition to granting the Islamists’ most fervent wish – to be seen as the true representatives of true Islam – they are so obsessed with what they hate and fear and have read about Islam, that they’ve ceased seeing Muslims as people, and they’ve forgotten how, in both productive ways and negative ways, the vast majority of human beings are not ruled by the strict and narrow precepts of their faiths, certainly not by the strictest and narrowest interpretations of them.
Are Muslims inherently less capable than Christians, Buddhists, Hindus, or Jews of respecting their sacred texts and traditions while acknowledging that everything in them can’t be lifted from them raw and applied literally to the lives of human beings on Earth in the modern world?
I wouldn’t deny for a moment that Islam is full of monstrous and dehumanizing belief systems whose purveyors must typically be fought to the death. Sadly, we are undeniably implicated in the perpetuation of these tendencies – not solely responsible, but implicated in countless ways, including most prominently in our shared economic reliance on Middle Eastern oil. To deny that fact is to put yourself outside of all conceivable responsible discussion of the way forward. If you think, further, that the answer is to kill or force the conversion of ca. 1 billion people, or carry on a campaign of defamation and condemnation while fantasizing about endless war, then you represent or are a victim of a monstrous and dehumanizing tendency, too.
To answer your comment in a different way: Read a serious book about the American experience in Iraq or Afghanistan – such as Col. Mansoor’s chronicle of his year in command of the US brigade combat team, BAGHDAD AT SUNRISE. His focus is on military matters, but you can’t read the book without being aware of how many Iraqi Muslims, including deeply religious ones – from the cleaning ladies and the homeless to the students and soldier and police trainees to many Sunni and Shi’a sheiks and imams – were desperate to move out of the Muslim dark ages, and how many of them remained that way even after having been desperately disappointed by us time after time.
CK MacLeod on December 4, 2008 at 12:29 PM
The media needs to be burned at the stake. Let’s bring back the old ways!
urbancenturion on December 4, 2008 at 1:06 PM
I wish i had a magic wand.
Just go *poof* and have em all go away
blatantblue on December 4, 2008 at 1:07 PM
Geez.
Time to nuke Pakistan.
pabarge on December 4, 2008 at 2:05 PM
jellybelly on December 4, 2008 at 4:50 PM
So, just like everything else, science is accepted, as long as it suits Islam’s and Allah’s purpose, which face it, is subject to change depending on what the men of Islam want. What is their conquest of the month?!…
4shoes on December 4, 2008 at 8:46 PM
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