Video: Is MSNBC the new Fox News?
posted at 4:52 pm on December 2, 2008 by Allahpundit
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Of course not. O’Reilly, we’re told, is a shameless political partisan whose shrieking demagoguery offends journalism. Surely liberals wouldn’t embrace someone like that at 8 p.m. Better pull Stewart aside and explain the difference before he persists with this nonsense about people being in the tank.
The knock on Colmes made me wince, not because it’s unfair but because it isn’t. Right or wrong, our favorite liberal is a dignified presence who’s suddenly contending for a job that is, per Stewart’s critique, inherently undignified. Maybe she’d change the dynamic, but the more centrist one is, the more unlikely that would seem. Be an attack dog and the left will love you; be fair and they’ll deride you as a stooge and a scarecrow for the conservative alpha male while the right forever grumbles that you’re still spouting too many talking points. It may be a lucrative job, but is it a good one? Word on the street is that some Foxies read this site; if so, how about putting her where she really belongs, on the “Special Report” panel with Krauthammer and Barnes? There are only two women there now, and based on the polls, it’s a safe bet she’d do as much for ratings as Whatshername and Whosthatagain.
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What I wouldnt give to see a bank vault fall on Keith Olberman’s pointy head.
Chuck Schick on December 2, 2008 at 4:56 PM
And you were all worried Jon Stewart wouldn’t have any material in an Obama administration. The Daily Show did its best work during the Clinton years.
justfinethanks on December 2, 2008 at 4:57 PM
When Craig Kilborn was the host…
Kafir on December 2, 2008 at 5:00 PM
Um, what?
Dr.Cwac.Cwac on December 2, 2008 at 5:00 PM
If you watch John Stewart without the sound, it looks like he’s going through the world’s worst bout of diarrhea.
logis on December 2, 2008 at 5:01 PM
Heh.
CherokeeJack on December 2, 2008 at 5:02 PM
What really irked me about last nights ep was the segment before this, when Stewart and John Oliver were talking smack about the terrorists in Mumbai. “ing douches,” stupid for the “plan” to Islamicize the world by either welcoming you or blowing you up, etc.
I was left thinking “where the heck has THIS been for the last six years?” though I guess better late than never.
JamesLee on December 2, 2008 at 5:07 PM
Tool-time, no thank you.
Stewart’s a pseudo-intellectual douche.
omnipotent on December 2, 2008 at 5:09 PM
TV rots your brain.
RushBaby on December 2, 2008 at 5:10 PM
With all due respect to “manly” soccer players, John Stewart is a soccer playing sissy. I hope one day he runs into Todd Palin and Todd rips Stewart a new one. After all it’s not often you get to whip someone’s ass who told you’re wife “fuck you” like Stewart did at a gig in NYC before the election. Pussy. Hell, I’d beat the crap out of him just for the fun of it.
dragonash on December 2, 2008 at 5:11 PM
*yawn*@ that clip.
Used to like Colmes, but not in the last year or so. Am digging his possible replacement.
eforhan on December 2, 2008 at 5:11 PM
Who is the She in the second paragraph? All the names mentioned are MEN. Am I a dunce?
dako on December 2, 2008 at 5:11 PM
I wonder when Stewart will be brave enough to parody The One
He is really funny if he hits both sides…the last year has been practically un-watchable as he chose sides for the election.
Dpet on December 2, 2008 at 5:12 PM
Am I the only one who thinks Jon Stewart is one of the most overrated media personalities evah? A video embed with both his mug and Olbermann’s is just too much. Didn’t click.
ddrintn on December 2, 2008 at 5:14 PM
They can replace Kondracke with KP.
Iblis on December 2, 2008 at 5:16 PM
Thank you, dako. I read that part three times and am as lost as you are. Who is the SHE in the second paragraph?
Fuzzlenutter on December 2, 2008 at 5:18 PM
I think “She’ is Kristen Powers. I’d love to see her on Special Report. I think she’s too informative to waste as the official shouting match starter on H&C.
hawksruleva on December 2, 2008 at 5:19 PM
No, but you’re in the minority. Would you be more interested in clicking if I told you that Stewart was poking fun at Olbermann for being a blowhard?
justfinethanks on December 2, 2008 at 5:20 PM
SHE is KP (Kirsten Powers), Allah’s dream girl.
Too bad AP is too beta to ask ANY girl for ANYthing. (by his own admission, mind you.)
omnipotent on December 2, 2008 at 5:20 PM
He’s referring to Kirsten Powers, who is being considered as a possible replacement for Colmes, who is leaving the show.
kingsjester on December 2, 2008 at 5:20 PM
Just laugh at Leibowitz and change the channel.
That’s what he is there for.
He is chewing gum for the thinking person steak for morons.
RobCon on December 2, 2008 at 5:21 PM
Stewart’s an ass. He might be right about MSNBC but who cares? Only the most ignorant of political matters bother to watch his garbage anyways. This is just another lame attempt at being “fair”. Just be the ass that you are sir!
Dritanian on December 2, 2008 at 5:21 PM
I agree with this. She should not be wasted with Hannity who is not necessaryly a bad guy but is pretty much a Tier I thinker on most issues.
Dritanian on December 2, 2008 at 5:23 PM
I wish they would switch up the “All-Stars” from time to time. Barnes, Krauthammer and Kondracke all stutter too much.
Get Mark Steyn on there occasionally, of course its probably limited to who lives in DC?
jp on December 2, 2008 at 5:23 PM
Yeah, I’ve come around to pretty much the same position.
Allahpundit on December 2, 2008 at 5:24 PM
I’m glad he called MSNBC out on their weekend hidden camera shows. You’d think news doesn’t happen on Saturday or Sunday.
Typhonsentra on December 2, 2008 at 5:25 PM
Is Hannity still talking about Bill Ayers?
lodge on December 2, 2008 at 5:25 PM
I hate the Moral Equivalence in this argument, while Fox is somewhat to the right, MSNBC is to the far-left and the really big difference here is honesty. For crying out loud, Olberman is a propagandist of the worst sort.
jp on December 2, 2008 at 5:27 PM
with your indulgence.
CurtZHP on December 2, 2008 at 5:27 PM
Seconded. There are three faces on TV that, when and if I see them I immediately turn the channel: Olby, Bill Maher and Jon Stewart. This applies as well to the View chix but since i am at work when that crapulence is on I dont worry too much about it.
Mike D. on December 2, 2008 at 5:27 PM
Hannity locks onto a talking point “unrepentant terrorist”, etc. like a pit-bull locks its jaws, and repeats ad nauseum until I just wanna puke.
omnipotent on December 2, 2008 at 5:27 PM
if KP makes special report, what about MKH or Michelle?
jp on December 2, 2008 at 5:28 PM
Stewarzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
Sorry. He makes me sleepy.
Sugar Land on December 2, 2008 at 5:30 PM
All I hope is KP sticks to her usual. Maybe do her OWN show.. not with Hannity.
I would actually watch that.
Allah.. what do you think? A KP show.. half hour or so?
upinak on December 2, 2008 at 5:30 PM
Ditto.
amerpundit on December 2, 2008 at 5:30 PM
Can’t stand Hannity to begin with.
nazo311 on December 2, 2008 at 5:34 PM
Jon Stewart will not criticize Obama, except the occasional gentle gab from the Left. He took a modest swipe at MSNBC, but took an even bigger swipe at Fox. Stewart will instead fixate on making fun of anything a Republican says to criticize Obama.
I agree. O’Reilly is not a right wing ideologue who spews talking points. Hannity is – but that’s why he’s balanced with Colmes, who is a left wing ideologue that who spews Dem talking points. MSNBC is blatantly ideological and will only get more biased in an Obama administration.
Outlander on December 2, 2008 at 5:35 PM
when can we get a right-wing Comedy News show to balance out the Daily Show(its not the Colbert report).
jp on December 2, 2008 at 5:36 PM
Right. He seems to think that all you need to do is memorize and endlessly repeat one argument in order to win a debate.
Liberal Guest – Well, I think the goal of Obama’s foreign policy is to…
Hannity – Ayers. Ayers. Ayers. Ayers. Ayers. Ayers Ayers. Ayers. Do you think terrorism is ok?
Liberal Guest – Uh, no.
Hannity – Good then we agree. Stay tuned for Greta.
justfinethanks on December 2, 2008 at 5:37 PM
the Left consider(and condone on these grounds) Olberman to be a parody of O’Reily.
little do they realize O’Reily is a Traditionalist/Centrist if anything. Although I do think he takes positions sometimes he doesn’t necessarily agree with that are populist. like a pol
jp on December 2, 2008 at 5:38 PM
Lib weenies like John Stewart AKA Jonathan Leibowitz, are sooooooo BETA. Small, bitter, little
menpersons.marklmail on December 2, 2008 at 5:38 PM
Well, work your magic, AP. Get those Foxies to put her somewhere better. I don’t always like her, but I almost always respect her, which is something we all but lost in this election.
Esthier on December 2, 2008 at 5:38 PM
I say give Mark Steyn a show, we need a Conservative Thinker on TV more than a Hannity that can only read talking points and isn’t very analytical.
jp on December 2, 2008 at 5:39 PM
How about the top of a subway door? Whoops, too late.
Jim Treacher on December 2, 2008 at 5:39 PM
Look,
To solve the problem, you pirate Maddow away from MSNBC, and I mean double her salary.
Sean Hannity vs. Rachel Maddow would so rock.
Uppity in your face Irish Catholic conservative straight dude vs. secular leftist lesbian top who is also uppity.
Ratings would skyrocket.
Kirsten could be the pretty straight backup.
Sapwolf on December 2, 2008 at 5:42 PM
You hit the nail on the head. But I think putting KP on that show will help improve the show; after the second or third time KP calls Hannity out for doing that, he’ll likely stop.
Outlander on December 2, 2008 at 5:42 PM
Yep. Colbert is not partisan to one side, at least not long.
Hey,
Is it true that Stewart is pissed off that Colbert is as popular as he is? I heard somewhere he is pissed off.
Sapwolf on December 2, 2008 at 5:45 PM
I’m somewhat of a Daily Show fan but I have to admit that segment was awful. Not funny at all.
terryannonline on December 2, 2008 at 5:46 PM
He’d be a dynamite Palin Press Secretary. That guy rocks.
Sapwolf on December 2, 2008 at 5:46 PM
Mark Levin would be good to, but maybe since he’s bald TV doesn’t want him
jp on December 2, 2008 at 5:49 PM
Um, I believe that would be Stephen Colbert.
TedInATL on December 2, 2008 at 5:52 PM
“Red Eye” on fox (late night, weekends) is pretty good. Although it’s a panel, talk format, rather than faux news and interviews.
iurockhead on December 2, 2008 at 6:03 PM
Maybe we could get “Newsbusted” to go thirty minutes?
Buford Gooch on December 2, 2008 at 6:03 PM
I stopped taking Stewart seriously after Sarah Palin kinda/sorta insinuated that some places are more pro-America than others and he squealed with feigned outrage as though such an idea was vile and beyond absurd.
Really John Stewart? If you absolutely had to find a radical Stalinist taking a dump on a burning American flag, you wouldn’t have any idea where to start looking?
Lehosh on December 2, 2008 at 6:07 PM
Maybe if they got rid of the laugh track. And a got a different host. And better writers. And generally started being funny.
justfinethanks on December 2, 2008 at 6:12 PM
Colbert is not partisan? I must be missing something.
Itchee Dryback on December 2, 2008 at 6:12 PM
So, we have Jon Stewart who is a shameless shill for Democrats, making fun of MSNBC for being………..a shameless shill for Democrats. Allrighty then.
clearbluesky on December 2, 2008 at 6:14 PM
Yeah, he’s probably not the best person to get on his high horse and lecture on partisanship. He continues to do though.
terryannonline on December 2, 2008 at 6:25 PM
We used to have the Half Hour News Hour on Sunday night, but no one really liked it. They should bring that back and have better writing and it would work.
cjs1943 on December 2, 2008 at 6:25 PM
Indeed.
The alphabets mainly represent the Democrat party “center” and MSNBC its Kos/Moron.org extreme leftwing.
So, to compare FOXN to MSNBC requires one to be in the mainstream left. I guess not a shock. I guess it is more interesting to ask whether leftists are truly blind to their own biases or are playing the fool because it is politically convenient.
I often hear leftists denounce O’Reilly as some far right winger. Which is odd seeing as he has a number of glaring leftwing stances like pro gun control and anti death penalty. Olbermann is a doctrinaire leftist – I certainly can’t think of any view he has espoused that is not leftwing dogma.
18-1 on December 2, 2008 at 6:26 PM
I wish they would switch up the “All-Stars” from time to time. Barnes, Krauthammer and Kondracke all stutter too much.
They stammer more than they stutter (particularly Mort), but that’s not the problem. The problem is that for the most part, they’re all on the same page on every issue! It’s not interesting. Why have three people on a panel if they all think the same thing?
YYZ on December 2, 2008 at 6:29 PM
Well played, sir.
holygoat on December 2, 2008 at 6:30 PM
Jon Stewart’s Jewish?!
YYZ on December 2, 2008 at 6:31 PM
Mark Levin could mop the floor with both the communist lefties and the RINOs.
My first choice for Sunday talk shows host would be the late comedian Sam Kinison a la “Back To School” screaming mode.
Say it!!!!! Say it!!!!!
viking01 on December 2, 2008 at 6:32 PM
I beg to differ.He may be more leftist-partisan than even Stewart.
holygoat on December 2, 2008 at 6:33 PM
Um, I don’t know if you noticed…. but this was not making fun of Obama or his administration. The segment was making fun of Fox News and MSNBC. Even Jay Leno and Conan O’Brien make fun of Matthews and Olbermann and they work for NBC.
terryannonline on December 2, 2008 at 6:33 PM
Birth Name
Jonathan Stuart Leibowitz
Nickname
Lefty
Soupy
Poochy
Susceptible Boy
Height
5′ 7″ (1.70 m)
Stupid Idiot.
portlandon on December 2, 2008 at 6:44 PM
Funny.
Tzetzes on December 2, 2008 at 7:08 PM
The only thing I’d watch on Fox (if I had a TV) is Brit Hume. The rest is dross.
Tzetzes on December 2, 2008 at 7:09 PM
The All-Stars are Brit’s friends, pure and simple. Barnes is his buddy from college, IIRC, and Mort’s and old timer. Nothing will change until Brit steps down, then they will eventually follow.
And Fox needs Hitchens. Either on the Panel or opposite Hannity.
budfox on December 2, 2008 at 7:17 PM
Stewart is a rank amateur who reeks of America hatred and I would LOVE TO TEAR HIM ONE UPSIDE HIS ASS!
BobAnthony on December 2, 2008 at 7:18 PM
Definitely.
docob on December 2, 2008 at 7:25 PM
Nah, pot calling the kettle black. ;)
ddrintn on December 2, 2008 at 7:38 PM
I was busy reading about the First Great Awakening in the 1700’s.
Mr_Magoo on December 2, 2008 at 7:52 PM
Krauthammer is one of my favorite commentators, both for the clarity of his thinking, and for his droll humor. It also looks/sounds very much like he is on the other side of speech-language therapy for what must have been a whopper of a dysfluency (stutter). I used to work with a bunch of Speech-Language Pathologists, and I have nothing but props for someone who’s dealt with a stutter of such apparent magnitude, and makes a living speaking on television. I’ll sometimes tune out if he’s not on the panel (unless Bill Sammon is on; he’s another fave of mine).
By contrast, Jon Stewart has only his intermittently detectable intelligence and immensely overinflated estimation of his own cleverness to recommend him. He’s a snide, snarky simpleton with delusions of urbanity, and all the intellectual courage and honesty of the very PMSNBC stooges he belowns himself by bitching about.
And yes, KP is too good for Hannity, who appears to suffer from some kind of talking-point tourettes.
Noocyte on December 2, 2008 at 7:56 PM
Awesome.
It’s going to be so good to have him back. He’s already starting to get fired up, and the new administration is still a month away.
(He covered a full two years of Clinton, and it was beautiful. Craig Kilborn left in 1998.)
Tanya on December 2, 2008 at 8:09 PM
What’s your point? You think the Sean Hannity vote stayed home for McCain because of Ayers? Good analysis.
Jaibones on December 2, 2008 at 8:44 PM
He’s a low talent hack, Tanya, even if he laughs at silly liberals once every few years. Get a nice book from the library.
Jaibones on December 2, 2008 at 8:45 PM
Ditto.
(Target rich environment tonight!)
Jaibones on December 2, 2008 at 8:47 PM
Olbermann is a commentator, not an anchor.
Tee hee.
chunderroad on December 2, 2008 at 8:58 PM
I think his point was that even after weeks of hammering away about Ayers, only a very small section of the country really gave a crap about Obama’s associations. When most commentators who might want to sway the narrative might start discussing things people actually cared about, like the economy, he decided to stick with this losing strategy.
justfinethanks on December 2, 2008 at 9:01 PM
I’m not sure I get the non-sequitur. I’m suddenly illiterate because I think he’s going to switch to our side as soon as the easy humor target changes?
Tanya on December 2, 2008 at 9:20 PM
Now that I’d watch!
Tzetzes on December 2, 2008 at 10:09 PM
It’s fun watching Jon when he tries to be even handed and bash liberals. You can tell his heart just isn’t in it.
joncoltonis on December 2, 2008 at 10:13 PM
Simply unwatchable.
Hannity’s grown stale (in my opinion).
Fox should send him back to the radio and give the slot to KP and a backlit AP.
Now, them’s gonna’ git ya some ratings!
yo on December 2, 2008 at 10:20 PM
It’s gratifying to know that I’m not alone in wondering where all the real thinkers are in the media business. Frankly, it’s mystifying to me how some of these folks have become so successful. Sometimes I watch them and think, “I can say those same things over and over again like that guy. Yah. I can easily be disingenuous like that. Yah.”
Hell, maybe I should do it.
Now I’m no genius, but shouldn’t we relish having our thinking challenged by people smarter than we? Why can’t we have more Krauthammers, Buckleys and Pragers?
My wishlist for Christmas.
Pilgrimsarbour on December 2, 2008 at 10:26 PM
Yeah, isn’t the pot calling the kettle black here? But what is he going to do–he only has one joke, “Isn’t Bush stupid? hAHAHAHAH”
PattyJ on December 2, 2008 at 10:29 PM
Whoa – not my meaning at all. I was suggesting that watching Stewart and Colbert is about as useful as watching Hannity. No literacy test here.
Recommending a good book, maybe a Pinot. (Call me).
Jaibones on December 2, 2008 at 10:48 PM
Just checking. The unprovoked personal attacks get kind of thick here sometimes. :o)
I’m always open for book suggestions, too. But that’s probably a different thread.
Tanya on December 2, 2008 at 10:58 PM
No… Stewart’s summation was perfect. Leave it be.
lexhamfox on December 2, 2008 at 11:02 PM
Super Saver Discount, too. Absolutely riveting story.
Jaibones on December 2, 2008 at 11:16 PM
Well that’s ok, his audience doesn’t want to see it anyway so he has that excuse.
Dave_d on December 3, 2008 at 12:09 AM
How about Malkin vs. Powers? I’d watch that.
thecountofincognito on December 3, 2008 at 12:14 AM
Hey, you wrote “Black” so you must be racist. Wait, I wrote black so I must be racist too.
Seriously though I think Stewart has alot of problems and probably realizes it’s all downhill from here. (Well ok, he has one moment left, when he interviews Barry on the show during the first 100 days.) The problem is that he doesn’t want to make fun of the guy or congress and his audience doesn’t want to watch him make fun of him either. Combine this with the fact he’s basically the same age as the dads of a good portion of the audience he has a big problem. (It’s hard to be cool and hip when you’re in your mid 40’s.)
Dave_d on December 3, 2008 at 12:14 AM
You’re right, I don’t know what I was thinking. I am outraged at myself.
PattyJ on December 3, 2008 at 12:17 AM
Fox didn’t get to be the most popular cable news network by bowing to Bush. Neither will Fox (if they hold to their original values) ever be challenged by MSDNC. Not even close Stewart! However if they slide left to be closer to all those other networks, CBS, NBS, ABS, etc., they’ll be toast.
Christian Conservative on December 3, 2008 at 12:32 AM
Excellent funny!
sabbott on December 3, 2008 at 7:40 AM
I’m with you. When they start stuttering I just want to scream!
Kondrake annoys me, but I like Krauthammer. Mark Steyn would be a great addition on any show!
becki51758 on December 3, 2008 at 8:04 AM
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