Pirates attack US cruise ship, can’t outrun it

posted at 1:45 pm on December 2, 2008 by Ed Morrissey

According to the AP, pirates attempted to hijack an American cruise liner in the Gulf of Aden earlier today.  The ship outran the pirates in their skiffs after the pirates opened fire on the passenger vessel:

Pirates chased and shot at a U.S. cruise liner with more than 1,000 people on board but failed to hijack the vessel as it sailed along a corridor patrolled by international warships, a maritime official said Tuesday.

The liner, carrying 656 international passengers and 399 crew members, was sailing through the Gulf of Aden on Sunday when it encountered six bandits in two speedboats, said Noel Choong who heads the International Maritime Bureau’s piracy reporting center in Malaysia.

The pirates fired at the passenger liner but the larger boat was faster than the pirates’ vessels, Choong said. …

All passengers and crew are safe and there was no damage to the vessel, it said.

The Nautica was on a 32-day cruise from Rome to Singapore, with stops at ports in Italy, Egypt, Oman, Dubai, India, Malaysia and Thailand, the Web site said. Based on that schedule, the liner was headed from Egypt to Oman when it was attacked.

For those wondering why an American cruise liner came close enough to the area, here’s a map of the region:

In order to pass from the Mediterranean to the Indian Ocean, ships have to traverse the Suez Canal, the Red Sea, and the Gulf of Aden.  Otherwise, they would have to go the long way around Africa, wasting time and energy rounding the Cape.  This one of the reasons pirates have based themselves in Somalia.  Along with the freedom a failed state gives armed thugs, all major shipping to southern Asia from the West has to pass through this relatively narrow feature.

As the AP notes, this isn’t the first time pirates have attempted this kind of operation on a cruise liner.  In 2005, the Seabourn Spirit made headlines not just for outracing the pirates, but also for its notable non-lethal weapon.  They aimed a long-range acoustic device — a kind of sound gun — that focuses extremely powerful sound waves on people in order to temporarily disable them.  That makes for a good getaway, but doesn’t do much to discourage pirates from attacking again.

The best method to discourage pirates is to sink their ships.  However, we have to make sure that the ship we sink actually belongs to pirates before sending it to the bottom of the ocean.

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Sounds like an awesome cruise to take….pirates not withstanding.

mylegsareswollen on December 2, 2008 at 1:48 PM

actually belongs to pirates

Oh, that’s not good.

TexasDan on December 2, 2008 at 1:48 PM

I say we set up a pirate hunting cruise. Pick some sort of choice bait-ship, and load it up with read meat and ammo.

How much would you pay to have the opportunity to snipe some of these dirtbags in international waters?

TexasDan on December 2, 2008 at 1:50 PM

Well the fact that the Indian navy blew up a ‘pirate’ ship & it really wasn’t one doesn’t surprise me. Will they ever get their poop in a group? Will Mumbai teach them anything?
Probably not.
Cruise ships should arm their passengers with bazookas, rocket launchers, etc.
This would make for a fun & interesting experience.
Probably a sell out every time!

Badger40 on December 2, 2008 at 1:51 PM

Hmm.

Lets put this in perspective. You have pirates who are useing a “Mother Ship” in the area that they are pirating and pillaging another ship. And there happens to be another ship in that area, fishing or what have you.

Now… with that said. Wouldn’t the U.N. or maybe some other entity (namely the Company of the Fishing boat) telling their guys with the boats, to stay away from that area?

Common sense…. what a concept.

India’s Navy is fine… when it comes to pirates, better safe then sorry.

upinak on December 2, 2008 at 1:52 PM

TexasDan on December 2, 2008 at 1:50 PM

Your idea of a paid hunting cruise is better.
Mounting if pirate heads is extra.

Badger40 on December 2, 2008 at 1:52 PM

Do you think they have coastal pirate towns in Somalia with whores, beer, fistfights and gold coins everywhere you look?

lodge on December 2, 2008 at 1:53 PM

Arrrrrrrg!

crazy_legs on December 2, 2008 at 1:53 PM

How much would you pay to have the opportunity to snipe some of these dirtbags in international waters?

TexasDan on December 2, 2008 at 1:50 PM

Awesome. Can I wear an eyepatch?

LimeyGeek on December 2, 2008 at 1:54 PM

TexasDan on December 2, 2008 at 1:50 PM
Your idea of a paid hunting cruise is better.
Mounting if pirate heads is extra.

Badger40 on December 2, 2008 at 1:52 PM

I dunno about that–your idea of RPG’s gave me tingly legs.

TexasDan on December 2, 2008 at 1:55 PM

Sinking the pirates is a good idea. Even better ideas:

(1) Bring back the Q-Ships: warships disguised as merchantmen/other civilian vessels. A few nasty surprises like that will make for superb object lessons. A floating roach motel for buccaneers, if you will.

(2) Issue letters of marque and reprisal–it’s in the Constitution, and free market contracting might work wonders. OK, slightly tongue in cheek. But it’d make for a great book.

(3) Destroy their nests on the coast of Somalia. The most effective approach and the only way to really solve the problem.

DRPrice on December 2, 2008 at 1:55 PM

How much would you pay to have the opportunity to snipe some of these dirtbags in international waters?

TexasDan on December 2, 2008 at 1:50 PM

A perfect vacation… kill pirates, eat, look for more pirates, eat, kill, eat, kill, midnight buffet…. Whoa!

beththebaker on December 2, 2008 at 1:55 PM

Awesome. Can I wear an eyepatch?

LimeyGeek on December 2, 2008 at 1:54 PM

If it helps you with your aiming. Otherwise, it’s teh ghey, no thanks to Mr Depp.

TexasDan on December 2, 2008 at 1:56 PM

In regards to that cruise boat that used a sonic weapon to repel a pirate attack. I found a hilarious write-up honoring the man responsible for defending the ship, Michael Groves, on badassoftheweek.com

conservativeinthecity on December 2, 2008 at 1:56 PM

Badger40 on December 2, 2008 at 1:51 PM

hmmm a new Carnival tactic!

Welcome to Carnival Cruises… Pirating the High Seas ADVENTURE!

Accomodations to include, but not withstanding… your own use of M-16′s or SK’s, 3 grenades and a drawing everyday for the mounted missle launcher!

Your cruise will have all accomodation, from food to a nice bunking quaters. If and when you hear a audible bleeping, that means PIRATES! You can then take your ammo and weapons and fight back!

**Not responsible for death, mutilation, decapitation, hostage taking and pillaging. If lost at sea, we will not turn around for you. Non-Refundable tickets at time of purchase. See fine print for more details.**

upinak on December 2, 2008 at 1:57 PM

(2) Issue letters of marque and reprisal DRPrice on December 2, 2008 at 1:55 PM

I can’t wait to become the next Capt. Kidd!

Badger40 on December 2, 2008 at 1:57 PM

Cruise ships should arm their passengers with bazookas, rocket launchers, etc.
This would make for a fun & interesting experience.
Probably a sell out every time!

Badger40 on December 2, 2008 at 1:51 PM

Beats the “rock climbing wall”, I’d say!

beththebaker on December 2, 2008 at 1:57 PM

TexasDan on December 2, 2008 at 1:50 PM

I’d take that cruise if it were sponsored by the Barrett Rifle company.

I can imagine the fun now.

….. Pull!! *The cruise director in charge of entertainment launches a few play pigeons at the incoming pirates on a inflatable powerboat.*

wise_man on December 2, 2008 at 1:58 PM

There’s a hiliarious write-up about the cruise ship that used the sonic weapon. The man responsible for the successful defense, Michael Groves, is this week’s “badass of the week”

conservativeinthecity on December 2, 2008 at 1:58 PM

Badger40 on December 2, 2008 at 1:51 PM

Love it, or better yet point the sound gun until the boat can be overcome and subdued with vacationing marines, hold the pirates for ransom with the people on the beach, and keep the boat as a souvenir…bait and release :)

Conservative Voice on December 2, 2008 at 2:01 PM

The discussion of pirates taking over ships came up at the Thanksgiving dinner, and I said “cruise ships will be next”.

Even this failed attempt will impact the business, as people will think twice before booking a vacation on a ship.

I believe we’re going backwards in history.

Entelechy on December 2, 2008 at 2:01 PM

They aimed a long-range acoustic device — a kind of sound gun — that focuses extremely powerful sound waves on people in order to temporarily disable them.

If George Bush authorized such use it would be called ‘torture’

jp on December 2, 2008 at 2:01 PM

I believe we’re going backwards in history.

Entelechy on December 2, 2008 at 2:01 PM

the Return of HIstory and End of Dreams is how Robert Kagan put it

jp on December 2, 2008 at 2:03 PM

Seriously, if they’re getting millions in ransom per boat, is there not some money to be made escorting ships through this area? Think Blackwater navy.

TexasDan on December 2, 2008 at 2:04 PM

Seems the pathetic pirates need a lesson or two on intercept vectors and deflection angles. Kill’m all, they be nothin’ more than scurvy dogs!

dmann on December 2, 2008 at 2:04 PM

Sounds like it’s time for a GunBlogger’s cruise – just as long as they let people bring along some toys. ;)

KCSteve on December 2, 2008 at 2:04 PM

In 2005, the Seabourn Spirit made headlines not just for outracing the pirates, but also for its notable non-lethal weapon. They aimed a long-range acoustic device — a kind of sound gun — that focuses extremely powerful sound waves on people in order to temporarily disable them. That makes for a good getaway, but doesn’t do much to discourage pirates from attacking again.

A nonlethal weapon based upon sound? They must have forgotten their killing word.

jones on December 2, 2008 at 2:04 PM

If it helps you with your aiming. Otherwise, it’s teh ghey, no thanks to Mr Depp.
TexasDan on December 2, 2008 at 1:56 PM

Cover the non-dominant eye ;)
They can think I’m as gay as they like – at several thousand feet per second, they won’t be thinking it for long ;)

LimeyGeek on December 2, 2008 at 2:05 PM

TexasDan on December 2, 2008 at 1:50 PM

Hey, you’ve got a great idea! You’ve got deer scouts in TX, right? Scouts take people on big game hunts in Africa, right? Well hell yeah, I bet you’d have to turn people away if advertised a pirate hunting cruise!

Oink on December 2, 2008 at 2:06 PM

Cover the non-dominant eye ;)
They can think I’m as gay as they like – at several thousand feet per second, they won’t be thinking it for long ;)

LimeyGeek on December 2, 2008 at 2:05 PM

Weep for me. I’m right handed and left eye dominant.

Minigun to the rescue!

TexasDan on December 2, 2008 at 2:07 PM

Ooh a hunting cruise. Now that’s thinking. You could sell tickets to fire the 50 cal guns off the stern. BYO ear muffs and eye protection.

wtaft on December 2, 2008 at 2:08 PM

Minigun to the rescue!

TexasDan on December 2, 2008 at 2:07 PM

YAY! MORE BULLETS MAKES FUN BETTERER!

You’d better be chewing on a fat ol’ stogie while you’re shredding them ;)

LimeyGeek on December 2, 2008 at 2:08 PM

656 passengers and 400 crew? Is that normal ratio? Seems overly excessive, as in personal crew members for every vacationer or something…

jwehman on December 2, 2008 at 2:09 PM

Time to drag out the old “Q” ships of WWI and WWII. It’s called ‘surprise, surprise, surprise’.

GarandFan on December 2, 2008 at 2:10 PM

So, why not go all in and set up a decoy ship, remotely piloted and loaded to the gunwales with high explosive. Monitor it from a distance using Predator drones. Let the pirates board and then set it off. This way the issue of intent is resolved, a clear message is sent and their numbers are reduced. Maybe not perfect, but it’d certainly help.

LooseCannon on December 2, 2008 at 2:10 PM

Do you think they have coastal pirate towns in Somalia with whores, beer, fistfights and gold coins everywhere you look?

lodge on December 2, 2008 at 1:53 PM

Don’t get yourself all excited! You really shouldn’t go there!

Oink on December 2, 2008 at 2:11 PM

personal crew members for every vacationer or something…

jwehman on December 2, 2008 at 2:09 PM

Guaranteed happy endings?

LimeyGeek on December 2, 2008 at 2:11 PM

Weep for me. I’m right handed and left eye dominant.

Minigun to the rescue!

TexasDan on December 2, 2008 at 2:07 PM

Yeah, me too. Wonder what that means?

Oink on December 2, 2008 at 2:12 PM

Yeah, me too. Wonder what that means?

Oink on December 2, 2008 at 2:12 PM

you shoot in circles

LimeyGeek on December 2, 2008 at 2:13 PM

Do you think they have coastal pirate towns in Somalia with whores, beer, fistfights and gold coins everywhere you look?

lodge on December 2, 2008 at 1:53 PM

I be prayin’ jim lad, that I be, arrr

LimeyGeek on December 2, 2008 at 2:13 PM

I say we set up a pirate hunting cruise. Pick some sort of choice bait-ship, and load it up with read meat and ammo.

How much would you pay to have the opportunity to snipe some of these dirtbags in international waters?

TexasDan on December 2, 2008 at 1:50 PM

This is a winner…a few sniper rifles, a few rpg launchers (MK17 looks like a good choice), sign me up.

right2bright on December 2, 2008 at 2:14 PM

All that time playing Sid Meier’s Pirates! can finally be put to good use.

KillerKane on December 2, 2008 at 2:15 PM

Didn’t I see this on an episode of “The Love Boat”?

stormin1961 on December 2, 2008 at 2:17 PM

All the cruise ships need to do is have a two or three man crew that have been trained to operate an approiate weapon, like a rpg launcher, and knock out a few pirate ships.
Of course, the pirates could escalate, but they also would learn who not to attack.

right2bright on December 2, 2008 at 2:18 PM

Cruise ships should arm their passengers with bazookas, rocket launchers, etc.
This would make for a fun & interesting experience.
Probably a sell out every time!

Badger40 on December 2, 2008 at 1:51 PM

Well, maybe not the passengers, but they should arm the CREW. If a few pirates found 399 crew members all shooting at them after trying to attack a cruise ship, they would either get the #e!! out of Dodge or not dodge into #e!! with 72 virgins. For the cruise crew, it would be self-defense. For the pirates, blub, blub.

Steve Z on December 2, 2008 at 2:18 PM

Well they put guns on the Queen Mary back in its day. Mount up a friggin machine gun and a ‘security’ station on these ships. Its not too hard to add, or at least give the Captain a friggin pistol.

johnnyU on December 2, 2008 at 2:20 PM

Cruise ships should arm their passengers with bazookas, rocket launchers, etc.
This would make for a fun & interesting experience.
Probably a sell out every time!

Badger40 on December 2, 2008 at 1:51 PM

Beats the fruit carving demo on my last cruise.

sign me up!!!

mjk on December 2, 2008 at 2:21 PM

Do you think they have coastal pirate towns in Somalia with whores, beer, fistfights and gold coins everywhere you look?

lodge on December 2, 2008 at 1:53 PM

Let’s not be romantic here. The coastal pirate towns in Somalia have Sharia courts to kill the infidels. The pirates feel they are following the footsteps of Mohammed, and correctly so. Mohammed was a bandit, that is a pirate of the land. I wonder how much pirate booty goes directly to Islamic terrorists?

thuja on December 2, 2008 at 2:22 PM

Count me in. I can see it now, hanging ‘em from the yardarms with the ceremonial walking of the plank to warm things up. I haven’t fired an M60 since Viet Nam but that may be a little under powered; probably a twin 40 would be more appropriate for the task.

DL13 on December 2, 2008 at 2:23 PM

Interesting article over at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Letter_of_marque

The right to issue letters of marque were relinquished by signatories to the Declaration of Paris, which was an annex to the 1856 Treaty of Paris, which ended the Crimean War.

The good news is that the US didn’t sign that.

The issue of Marque and Reprisal was raised before Congress after the September 11, 2001 attacks[3], and again on July 21, 2007 by congressman Ron Paul. The attacks were defined as acts of “air piracy,” and the Marque and Reprisal Act of 2001 was introduced, which would have granted the president the authority to use Letters of Marque and Reprisal against the specific terrorists, instead of warring against a foreign state.

pedestrian on December 2, 2008 at 2:24 PM

right2bright on December 2, 2008 at 2:14 PM

I don’t think RPGs would be the best choice. Remember, they’re aiming at a great big ship, but the cruiseliner crew would be aiming at a tiny fast moving skiff.

I say M2s or XM-307s. You can even load the XM-307 with explosive grenades.

Then the cruise liners can create a PMC for their own use, and make sure they’re well trained in heavy weapons.

Then just cover up the weapons with flowers or something for the tourists.

Cowering in fear or running really fast is no way to react to pirates.

apollyonbob on December 2, 2008 at 2:25 PM

Oh yeah, if one of them looks like Captain Jack Sparrow, waste ‘em!

KillerKane on December 2, 2008 at 2:26 PM

LimeyGeek on December 2, 2008 at 2:13 PM

Remind me to take the next cruise after you guys go.

wccawa on December 2, 2008 at 2:26 PM

You could get redeemable tickets at the cruise ship store or bar for every pirate you hit. (just kidding)

Cruise ships that tour that area need to to have armed trained security on board.

kingsjester on December 2, 2008 at 2:28 PM

Didn’t I see this on an episode of “The Love Boat”?

stormin1961 on December 2, 2008 at 2:17 PM

That was the one with Charo,……………… right?

Seven Percent Solution on December 2, 2008 at 2:28 PM

Has MSNBC expressed surprise that pirates didnt all start volunteering at youth centers after November 4th?

Chuck Schick on December 2, 2008 at 2:30 PM

This pirates thing is so f’ing stupid, it should have happened exactly once. I find it unfathomable that there is no satellite surveillance in that area of the world. Track the little boats back to the mother ship, track the mother ship, and send in a cruise missile, even if it is docked. Apologise to no one. Repeat as necessary.

Sasnak on December 2, 2008 at 2:31 PM

Attention!!!!

This was NOT a US Ship… M/S Nautica is registered in the Marshall Islands.

Grrrrr…

Romeo13 on December 2, 2008 at 2:34 PM

I say nuke the Somalia site from orbit… it’s the only way to be sure.

saltydogg14 on December 2, 2008 at 2:34 PM

The best method to discourage pirates is to sink their ships.

That would seem to be the obvious remedy but given the lucrative nature of pirating along that body of water there will be many more pirates to replace those drowned or captured. It is almost impossible to police such an expanse of sea where these pirates operate. The fact that they are still doing such things in relatively narrow areas proves that.

I really think the only way would be to have an effective government in Somalia. At one point when the Islamic Courts were ascendant pirating activity out of Somalia was dramatically reduced. There was also a certain degree a law enforcement going on Somalia. The US and others objected o them because of their fundamental application of law and suspected ties to terrorists but the Union of Courts were popular with Somalis because they were preferable to the war lords. The US supported the overthrow of the Union and we see what the result is. The alternative government was unsuccessful and the troops supporting it have recently left.

Would it have been better to try to deal with the Union to make sure that terror groups and militants would not use Somalia as a base? I don’t think that was attempted. But if something like the Union comes back and it is popular with locals just wanting some law and order… perhaps we should try something different next time. I think the current situation is worse than having some odious people running the show there.

lexhamfox on December 2, 2008 at 2:35 PM

Pirate Plinking Cruise

This raises shipboard activities to a whole new level. No more stupid horse racing or passenger kareoke nights, join us for the afternoon pirate plink.

johnsteele on December 2, 2008 at 2:36 PM

It’s time for some serious pirate hunting.

CP on December 2, 2008 at 2:37 PM

apollyonbob on December 2, 2008 at 2:25 PM

Yeah, maybe not, but look at the link the MK17 was designed to be on a boat, accurate at 720 meters.
The other cool one was you fired 9mm tracer rounds out of the rpg, and when it hits you lock on and fire the rpg.
So you get a little sniper action, with the boom…
I am sure there are better, of course their is always this:
Here
I think that would pretty much take care of anything the pirates have. Yet still be small enough to carry.

right2bright on December 2, 2008 at 2:41 PM

Stupid move by the pirates to attack an American ship. We are the only country that would seriously respond against them. If they would leave us alone, I couldn’t care less how many ships they take.

muyoso on December 2, 2008 at 2:41 PM

Cruise ships have big crews, which means lots of folks to stand radar and visual watches. Cargo ships have tiny crews, like 25 people, and they all have jobs to do or are off-watch sleeping, which is why they are much more vulnerable. Detection really seems to be 90% of the battle – the pirate boats are not that fast or long-ranged, so they require stealth to close with a ship and board. Once they are on board the crew are hostages and it is too late.

holdfast on December 2, 2008 at 2:45 PM

…the Seabourn Spirit made headlines not just for outracing the pirates, but also for its notable non-lethal weapon. They aimed a long-range acoustic device — a kind of sound gun — that focuses extremely powerful sound waves on people in order to temporarily disable them.

Actually, that’s probably just a polite way of saying that they hung some stereo speakers over the side and blasted the pirates with some of the bad lounge music they were playing onboard.

Trust me, after a few days of listening to that, I’ll bet quite a few of the passengers gave serious thought to taking up piracy :)

rvastar on December 2, 2008 at 2:47 PM

sounds like a dream cruise for a boat load of NRA members and Veterans,, break out the skeet guns and pass out the buckshot-loaded shells.

normsrevenge on December 2, 2008 at 2:47 PM

…I wonder if this cruise was advertised as a “live-action Pirates of the Caribbean” event….

…I mean, it’s not like the dangers of those waters — political instability, weekly wars, religious fanaticism, and piracy — hasn’t been known for decades….

…so, what are the other cruises and getaways are on offer for people who’re foolish enough to sail between the Scylla and Charybdis of Egypt and Arabia? Do they have “sex-tourism through the AIDS dens of Bangkok” still? Do they sell “eat a ham sandwich while sitting in the shadow of the Kaaba” events? Do they have a “masturbate a mountain lion in a phone booth with a handful of thorns” cruise?

…are nuclear underwear and a gasoline shirt provided?

Puritan1648 on December 2, 2008 at 2:48 PM

After dinner, we can stuff the cannons with the silverware!

BOOM!!!

CurtZHP on December 2, 2008 at 2:48 PM

sonic weapon..

beam Hillary screeching at 120db at the “pirates”

normsrevenge on December 2, 2008 at 2:48 PM

apollyonbob – In order to keep costs down, the security contractors can run “boot camp” fitness classes on the Lido Deck in their off hours.

holdfast on December 2, 2008 at 2:48 PM

Can’t we just hook up a Phalanx on these puppies and let them rip?

matd on December 2, 2008 at 2:49 PM

normsrevenge on December 2, 2008 at 2:47 PM

Let ‘em get close enough to unload some dragon’s breath at ‘em

They don’t like it up ‘em!

LimeyGeek on December 2, 2008 at 2:50 PM

Stupid move by the pirates to attack an American ship. We are the only country that would seriously respond against them. If they would leave us alone, I couldn’t care less how many ships they take.

muyoso on December 2, 2008 at 2:41 PM

M/S Nautica if apparently flagged in the Marshall Islands… built in France… and run by an International Corporation…

It probably had Americans onboard, but that does not make it a US ship….

Romeo13 on December 2, 2008 at 2:50 PM

right2bright on December 2, 2008 at 2:41 PM

Well, part of the problem of arming the boats is that it scares the tourists. So, ironically, the tourists would pick an unarmed boat over an armed boat.

I mean, a Little Bird would be awesome, but I’m betting an armed chopper on the boat wouldn’t be an option to the liners companies.

The advantage of the 307 over some of the older grenade launchers is that it can be hauled out of storage and setup by two guys.

But yeah, arming the cruise ships seems inevitable.

apollyonbob on December 2, 2008 at 2:53 PM

apollyonbob – In order to keep costs down, the security contractors can run “boot camp” fitness classes on the Lido Deck in their off hours.

holdfast on December 2, 2008 at 2:48 PM

hahaha awesome XD

apollyonbob on December 2, 2008 at 2:53 PM

They need to bring back skeet shooting on the fantail.

jackmac on December 2, 2008 at 2:54 PM

I’m reading all these great ideas but am concerned that the starry-eyed liberal groups will be taking exception to our plans of dispatching some Bambi-eyed terrorists…! Is there a way of ammending the 2nd Ammendment to include an open-season on terrorists and pirates?

DL13 on December 2, 2008 at 2:54 PM

More fun would be to let them get close enough and unload a Mk-19 on them.

That would be FUN.

Marine_Bio on December 2, 2008 at 2:56 PM

DL13 on December 2, 2008 at 2:54 PM

What…. Liberals gonna start a new group???

PETP? People for the Ethical Treatment of Pirates?

or…

PETS? People for the Ethical Treatment of Somalis?

Romeo13 on December 2, 2008 at 2:57 PM

How about giving these cruise ships some depth charges? It would be great to watch. lol!

Blake on December 2, 2008 at 2:58 PM

How about giving these cruise ships some depth charges? It would be great to watch. lol!

Blake on December 2, 2008 at 2:58 PM

Enviros would get ticked… might hurt the fish ya know…

Romeo13 on December 2, 2008 at 2:59 PM

Enviros would get ticked… might hurt the fish ya know…

Romeo13 on December 2, 2008 at 2:59 PM

True, but that’s what the Overseas Environmental Impact Statement is for…

:)

Marine_Bio on December 2, 2008 at 3:02 PM

Damn! Was this the Weekly Standard winter cruise???? Was hoping Bill Kristol popped off an RPG round or two at the bastards.

J.J. Sefton on December 2, 2008 at 3:04 PM

pedestrian on December 2, 2008 at 2:24 PM

the US already has bounties on the heads of terrorist leaders, its essentially the same thing as Letters of Marque.

Capture Bin Laden or kill him and you are a Millionaire. For anyone looking for a get rich quick scheme, there you go.

Yassin who fled the 1993 WTC attack to Iraq(and Saddam was paying) has a $2 Million bounty I think and is still ‘at large’ as far as we know

jp on December 2, 2008 at 3:08 PM

Everybody sing: “From the halls of Montezuma…”

manwithblackhat on December 2, 2008 at 3:08 PM

I don’t think RPGs would be the best choice. Remember, they’re aiming at a great big ship, but the cruiseliner crew would be aiming at a tiny fast moving skiff.

I say M2s or XM-307s. You can even load the XM-307 with explosive grenades.

Then the cruise liners can create a PMC for their own use, and make sure they’re well trained in heavy weapons.

Then just cover up the weapons with flowers or something for the tourists.

Cowering in fear or running really fast is no way to react to pirates.

apollyonbob on December 2, 2008 at 2:25 PM

I agree on the RPG bit. Far too easy to accidentally shoot your own ship with one of those.

When dealing with small, fast, maneuverable targets your best tactic is to fill the air with as much lead as possible. This is why duck/quail hunting is done with bird shot, and not deer slugs or riles.

However, you ALSO need good range, so simply arming the crew with shotguns is useless until the pirates have already boarded.

I would suggest the M134D Minigun. A few mounted on the upper deck and railings in strategic positions would be enough. They could be covered with white, split-removal domes for passenger safety and appearance, and would be MOST effective at eliminating fast-moving small boats. They even have a Naval Mount version available.

You know, using these on Pirates would be quite a bit of fun. Anyone up for chartering a cruise?

wearyman on December 2, 2008 at 3:13 PM

I’d take that cruise if it were sponsored by the Barrett Rifle company.


Yep. some M82′s on swivel mounts would make for some interesting shooting. Add a few GE mini guns in case the pirates get too close and one could make money on the cruise.

alilianstrom on December 2, 2008 at 3:16 PM

Shooting “clay pigeon” targets off the stern of a cruise ship used to be a way to improve a boring trip after the booze, girls, shuffleboard, etc. wore off or became stale.
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A “FANTASY ISLAND” cruise could offer something for everyone. Here are my suggestions:
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For the traditionalist passengers–a large anti-pirate cannon loaded with grapeshot or canister shot–short straw gets to light the fuse. Cutlasses and pikes later, followed by yardarm swingings, floggings, keelhaulings, plank walkings in shark country, etc. for any pirate survivors.
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For WW1 buffs–Springfield rifle and Colt .45 semi-auto target practice–open fire with the rifles at 1600 yards. Good luck with the G.I. issue pistols. One French 75 mm. cannon for sport.
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For WW2 buffs–bazooka practice–with a few recoilless rifle shots thrown in for the fun. Thompson .45 cal submachine guns for close in work.
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For the missile buffs–Nike-Hercules Missile in ground attack mode–climb straight up to 15 miles altitude–power dive to bomblet release point over the pirate dinghy.
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Or for the more practically inclined–quad .50 cal. machine gun mounts on bow and stern–with scatter shields and APIT ammunition. Open fire at 2000 yards and enjoy the show!
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Bring your own “PIRATE WENCHES”–that part of the world has a lot of AIDS problems. And the local booze may contain anti-freeze.
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John Bibb

rocketman on December 2, 2008 at 3:23 PM

the US already has bounties on the heads of terrorist leaders, its essentially the same thing as Letters of Marque.

jp on December 2, 2008 at 3:08 PM

Possibly, I don’t know the rules. I think those bounties are intended merely incentives for people who are already in the region. To actually be on open seas shooting at other boats is going to be a different situation. Having a letter of marque would be helpful to let other armed ships know what is going on when things get interesting.

pedestrian on December 2, 2008 at 3:38 PM

Possibly, I don’t know the rules. I think those bounties are intended merely incentives for people who are already in the region. To actually be on open seas shooting at other boats is going to be a different situation. Having a letter of marque would be helpful to let other armed ships know what is going on when things get interesting.

pedestrian on December 2, 2008 at 3:38 PM

I’m sure there are some differences, but the overall point of it is basically the same.

I think the fact most nations no longer abide by them, effectively makes it a non-starter for US to use them anyway. Thanks to international law and politics, just a guess though. I’d about bet it was discussed after 9/11 and the lawyers and political strategist shot it down for some reason(probably a good one)

jp on December 2, 2008 at 3:45 PM

wearyman on December 2, 2008 at 3:13 PM

Anything like that, which is cheap and can be hidden. I guarantee if I stepped on a boat and it was explained that they had a few mini-guns, I would feel safer.

right2bright on December 2, 2008 at 3:45 PM

Pirate Plinking Cruise

This raises shipboard activities to a whole new level. No more stupid horse racing or passenger kareoke nights, join us for the afternoon pirate plink.

johnsteele on December 2, 2008 at 2:36 PM

You could call it a Bruise Cruise.

hoosiermama on December 2, 2008 at 3:47 PM

conservativeinthecity on December 2, 2008 at 1:58 PM

Man, you are going to cause me to waste a lot of valuable work time reading that website.

thirteen28 on December 2, 2008 at 3:47 PM

Romeo13 on December 2, 2008 at 2:50 PM

Romeo! Oh, Romeo!

Most cruise ships are NOT registered to the US. But if the cruise originates from the US, then that’s close enough for me.

Oink on December 2, 2008 at 3:48 PM

My wife took a “Semester at Sea” trip, and they always had a pair of students on Pirate Watch when they went through that area. I think she even has a certificate. :)

kc8ukw on December 2, 2008 at 3:49 PM

There’s not much point in privateering against these pirates because their boats are crap – privateering is really just stealing stuff from your nation’s enemies with a permission slip from your own government (it helps if the enemy is Spain and they have lots of gold). What’s called for here is bounty hunting – x dollars for each pirate vessel + a bonus for crew.

holdfast on December 2, 2008 at 3:56 PM

You could call it a Bruise Cruise.

hoosiermama on December 2, 2008 at 3:47 PM

Thread winner!!

rocketman on December 2, 2008 at 3:23 PM

What if I’m an airstrike buff?

CurtZHP on December 2, 2008 at 3:58 PM

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