Georgia run-off: Chambliss up big early; Update: Chambliss wins
posted at 8:29 pm on December 2, 2008 by Allahpundit
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Surprisingly big: With 28% reporting, he leads by 30 points. He’s expected to win but not by much more than five, so expect a long, agonizing evening of watching the blue counties roll in and slowly wash away the margin.
If Martin pulls the upset, that’s 59 seats, which would mean 50 votes in Minnesota are all that separates us from filibuster Armageddon. Somewhere in Maine, a nervous Susan Collins and Olympia Snowe watch the returns, wondering just how much ass Harry Reid will end up having to kiss…
Update: The filibuster lives as the AP calls it at a little after 9 p.m. A surprise blowout: With 81% reporting, Chambliss leads by 17.
Update: Good point at Hotline. Now that a filibuster-proof majority’s unlikely, the stakes of getting Franken elected are much lower. Maybe that means the Dems will eschew the nuclear option of challenging the Senate not to seat Coleman.
Update: Whatever happens, The Hill’s reading the tea leaves of Martinez’s departure and hinting that even if the Dems haven’t beat the filibuster this time, odds are good that they’ll beat it in 2010.
Still, the fact that the GOP exodus is continuing just one month after the 2008 election is bad news for Republicans, with their deficits in both chambers appearing insurmountable in the near term and 30 House members and six senators already having retired last cycle…
The GOP also has to deal with more seats to defend (19) than Democrats (16) and a less appealing target list.
When the 111th Congress begins, four of the five oldest GOP members will be facing reelection. Most of them have already insisted they are running, but questions remain about some of them.
Update: What would black turnout have been like if The One had campaigned personally for Martin?
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Palin campaigned for him on December 1st, right? Because RCP had it at Chambliss wining by 5.3% on November 30th and PPP had him winning by 7% on the 29th.
amerpundit on December 2, 2008 at 9:34 PM
wining=winning
amerpundit on December 2, 2008 at 9:34 PM
Colmes knows this is his swan song. Might as well go out a moron.
technopeasant on December 2, 2008 at 9:34 PM
“What I won’t do for my
countrysheeple. And I thought they stink when they visit the capitol” ~ ~ H. ReidEntelechy on December 2, 2008 at 9:35 PM
amerpundit 9:34 PM: Palin power
technopeasant on December 2, 2008 at 9:36 PM
now Hannity is spinning against Obama not willing to risk political capital….hahahaha
jp on December 2, 2008 at 9:36 PM
Thank you, thank you, thank you GEORGIA
A-N-D Thank you SARAH PALIN !!!!
stenwin77 on December 2, 2008 at 9:36 PM
Well goat, you’re a goat for thinking a 2-party system that promotes globalism, allows us to be slaves to the UN, refuses to enforce the borders and still allows the IRS to exist is good? Not me baby! I was a Democrat until 2000. After 9/11 my conservative/Constitution Party ideology became cemented.
Also, both parties are controlled by a HUGE corporate interest. Money controls everything and just where in the Constitution does it allow corporations to buy elections? NOWHERE! And not all corporate types are conservative.
Take Bill Gates, Warren Buffet, Mark Cuban and heads of companies like GE. You don’t think these people would vote for conservatives, especially Buffet and Cuban, do you? And Hollywood? Don’t even get me started.
But Republicans, like the Country Club people (trust me, having lived in Greenwich, CT-Stan all the days of my life), are just as guilty. Take this election. The RINOS in the party ruled things and the GOP took big losses. Shays, a huge RINO, lost and lost big to Dem Lib Jim Himes. I voted for the Libertarian candidate, showing my disgust with BOTH major parties.
To me picking political parties is kind of like choosing TV networks (sans cable). Back in the day you had the major networks (ABC, CBS, NBC and yes PBS) or you had independent stations. ‘Round here it was 5, 9 or 11. Now those stations are a part of networks (Fox, My Network and CW, respectively; the latter two should GO AWAY!). The only true indie left is WLNY-TV on Long Island.
BobAnthony on December 2, 2008 at 9:37 PM
Damn its ashame she won’t be able to campaign much for GOP Senate, House and Gov. candidates in 2010 since she’ll be running for Gov. I guess
jp on December 2, 2008 at 9:37 PM
win for chambliss = help for F-22 Raptor
knob on December 2, 2008 at 9:38 PM
This is nice.
JellyToast on December 2, 2008 at 9:38 PM
Right on Sean. Sarah was winning to risk her political future in Georgia. if Sarah wins the Presidency in 2012, her campaign started tonight in Georgia. The lights sure didn’t go out in Georgia tonight.
technopeasant on December 2, 2008 at 9:39 PM
I believe you meant whining
james23 on December 2, 2008 at 9:40 PM
Looks like the one natural one has been handed a loss. I wonder how all the little obamii are handling this.
gringo69 on December 2, 2008 at 9:40 PM
I meant willing.
technopeasant on December 2, 2008 at 9:41 PM
Am I allowed to say, F-CK, YEAH!!!! ?
wccawa on December 2, 2008 at 9:41 PM
If Chambliss wins by 60 % or better, I’ll interpret that to mean that Sarah’s support had a noticeable effect on turnout.
Red State State of Mind on December 2, 2008 at 9:41 PM
democrats didn’t want to win this seat. which is why republicans should have let them. now we’ll get 2 years of “we couldn’t do this because of republicans” and in 2010, republicans will have to defend more seats than the dems (again)…so look forward to round 2 then.
lorien1973 on December 2, 2008 at 9:43 PM
Saxby’s first move should be to call for an immediate audit of all this “bailout” money……………… right after he publicly thanks Gov. Sarah Palin.
Seven Percent Solution on December 2, 2008 at 9:43 PM
A rainy night in Georgia.
Watch this, wherever it’s not raining. You can only see it again in 30 years.
Entelechy on December 2, 2008 at 9:44 PM
I don’t know how much influence Palin had to be honest. When I went to vote in November, there were a lot of African-Americans and young 20ish voters at my polling place. When I went to vote today, there were none there.
I think Chambliss would have won regardless because people came out in November to vote for Obama and voted a straight Dem ticket which helped Martin. Without Obama on the ballot, they didn’t care to come out again.
Queasy on December 2, 2008 at 9:46 PM
lorien1973 on December 2, 2008 at 9:43 PM
It’s not all about power. It’s how much damage they’d do to this great country between now and then. Beware of a 2nd Obama term, with a liberal supermajority.
Entelechy on December 2, 2008 at 9:47 PM
I hope she runs for re-election in 2010, but if she is leading the AK Gubenatorial race comfortably, I’m sure she’ll be able to pop down to the Lower 48 to help other Conservative candidates. I think a day or two of Sarah could be a great help to many candidates in 2010.
Red State State of Mind on December 2, 2008 at 9:47 PM
Sounds nice in theory, but practically it’s worth the risk to limit their power in any way possible.
ddrintn on December 2, 2008 at 9:49 PM
Look many people might not want to admit it now but Sarah is the de facto leader of the Republican party. I know she will do whatever is necessary to make sure her male and female cubs in the House and the Senate are well taken care of in 2010.
technopeasant on December 2, 2008 at 9:50 PM
If we have to listen to the Democrats whine, then so be it. The glass is half full. They don’t get their Supermajority. Franken’s going to lose. Obama’s going to have a catfight on his hands by “keeping his enemy closer” and his mother-in-law living with him.
And Sarah helped to rally the Base for Chambliss. No doubt about it.
kingsjester on December 2, 2008 at 9:50 PM
I worry about January 2011 after the 2010 mid-terms. That’s when Teh One goes hard left to appease the liberal nutroots for being a “centrist” for the first 2 years of his administration. I anticipate that he will jerk the his policy wheel extremely left to win back said idiots noted previously for his 2012 re-election bid.
Dr.Cwac.Cwac on December 2, 2008 at 9:51 PM
Probably not much different.
ddrintn on December 2, 2008 at 9:51 PM
They are flippin out over at huffpo. Blaming racism, blaming obama, rednecks suck. Nothing fresh and exciting.
gringo69 on December 2, 2008 at 9:51 PM
This calls for the humping robots. AP?
DakRoland on December 2, 2008 at 9:52 PM
Oh please. Do you really think the American people are that stupid? The Dems have a majority in Congress and they have a Dem in the White House. If they can’t get something done it’s nobody’s fault but their own. Blaming Republicans might work for a few months but eventually it will look pathetic and weak. If you Democrats are never going to take responsibility for anything then they shouldn’t be in power. It’s that simple.
terryannonline on December 2, 2008 at 9:55 PM
Classic response from the inmates at the DU asylum. (I know. No fair peaking.)
Stay classy, boyz and girlz.
Dr.Cwac.Cwac on December 2, 2008 at 9:56 PM
Dr.Cwac.Cwac on December 2, 2008 at 9:51 PM
In 2010 Obama will already be thinking about reelection. He won’t be suddenly turning radical left.
Phoenician on December 2, 2008 at 10:00 PM
Regarding 2010 Senate Elections: Fund this:
The composition of the Senate going into the 2010 election will depend on the results of the 2008 elections. Of the seats up for election, 19 are held by Republicans and 15 by Democrats.
I believe, by 201, the tide will have started to turn. Where we are in 2008 is the high water mark of the Democrats; with great leadership and hard work, the tide an be pushed back some in 2010, then more in 2012, etc.
No idea how Obama will govern, but my gut feling tells me he’ll do so with an eye on re-elction in 2012. By 2014, I think we could re-gain the majority in at least one house of Congress.
Red State State of Mind on December 2, 2008 at 10:02 PM
‘White guilt’ was not an issue in this runoff as it was on November 4th. And in 2010 I believe Caucasians will return to voting how they truly feel rather than out of political correctness of how they should feel or out of a sense of moral obligation to redress historical exploitation that the MSM harps on 24/7.
technopeasant on December 2, 2008 at 10:02 PM
Racism? Is either candidate black? Oh, yeah, HuffPo. Can’t ask for a lot of logic there.
ddrintn on December 2, 2008 at 10:03 PM
My tea leaves have a different message. Obama fever will have subsided by then.
Buy Danish on December 2, 2008 at 10:03 PM
He’s already thinking reelection. That’s why Rahmbo and the moneymen will be working in the White House. The campaign has never stopped. Barry will keep on the DL for the next year and a half to 2 years. He knows if he switches too soon 2 words will be used to label him: Jimmy Carter. Teh One will be forced to be a centrist so he doesn’t lose 2010 mid-terms.
Dr.Cwac.Cwac on December 2, 2008 at 10:04 PM
Conditions and dynamics change. Nothing is written in stone regarding the Congressional races in 2010.
technopeasant on December 2, 2008 at 10:05 PM
The corollary: Barry doesn’t want the filibuster-proof Senate.
For the first time in his affirmative-(in)actioned life he’d be held accountable for something.
Let’s roll.
ex-Democrat on December 2, 2008 at 10:05 PM
You probably meant that to be a rhetorical question, but YES, I think many voters believe what the MSM tells them repeatedly. Look at HowObamaGotElected.com
or ask random people what got us out of the Depression, the New Deal or WW2?
Red State State of Mind on December 2, 2008 at 10:05 PM
The problem is that the lies only work for a short time. I think eventually people start seeing right through them.
terryannonline on December 2, 2008 at 10:10 PM
Watch this, wherever it’s not raining. You can only see it again in 30 years.
Entelechy on December 2, 2008 at 9:44 PM
Saw it.
Spectacular.
Saltysam on December 2, 2008 at 10:10 PM
All politics is local. Saxby was the incumbent. Saxby almost won the election outright in November.
Palin had little to do with this, bordering on nothing to do with this. I realize so many people here are in love with Palin, but please be a little realistic. Then again, I’m dealing with 80% of HA commenters who thought McCain was going to beat Obama a month ago.
asc85 on December 2, 2008 at 10:11 PM
You’re welcome!
Alana on December 2, 2008 at 10:15 PM
Spoken by someone who doesn’t live here.
We have our own interests to consider too, ya know.
Alana on December 2, 2008 at 10:17 PM
This appears to have been indeed the case.
Alana on December 2, 2008 at 10:19 PM
Good job, Alana.
Saltysam, smiles.
Fify. Rats is more appropriate. They wallow in their slush. Georgia made them just a bit more unruly than they usually are.
Entelechy on December 2, 2008 at 10:20 PM
asc85: my friend, perception is reality. If the conservative base thinks that Sarah dragged Saxby’s ass over the finish line and helped him prevail by 10 points more than expected and causes them to jump on her bandwagon then it is so.
technopeasant on December 2, 2008 at 10:21 PM
On the other hand, If Chambliss had lost by a percentage point or two, my God! Palin is FINISHED! She’s POISON! We TOLD YOU SO!
By the way, most of us didn’t think McCain was going to win. We were just hoping he would.
ddrintn on December 2, 2008 at 10:24 PM
Norm Coleman could also be a beneficiary of Chambliss’ win. Reid, Schumer and the Senate Democrats probably will not risk a public outcry from overturning Minnesota’s election if the Senate Democrats won’t pick up a 60th seat.
chsw
chsw on December 2, 2008 at 10:26 PM
Bless our hearts!
Buy Danish on December 2, 2008 at 10:27 PM
all of the swooning over palin and attributing saxby’s success tonight to her is rediculous
the rnc dragged saxby’s butt across the finish line since his buddy W is otherwise occupied at the moment, and mccain and grahamnesty’s visit was ancient history.
sarah came by yesterday and preached to the chior… the same chior which was going to hit the poll come hell or high water to make some symbolic effort at stopping obama/reid/pelosi.
oh well, I’m glad that martin didn’t squeak through, but the level of misinformation and distortion and fear played out by both sides was quite comical… its pathetic that sheeple actually believe half of those talking points… oh well, welcome to the 21st century and the uninformed voter
gatorboy on December 2, 2008 at 10:28 PM
We are actually incredulous that our countrymen/women aren’t smarter. They deserve him, especially the morons from the right, and the ‘independents’. May he destroy your wallets. I feel sorry for the country and the children. Otherwise I wish hell upon you.
Entelechy on December 2, 2008 at 10:28 PM
Indeed. You hold our country in your good hands now.
Entelechy on December 2, 2008 at 10:29 PM
Sean’s dead on. obama saw the writing on the wall and didn’t want to get caught in the middle of this thing… especially with jim martin as the candidate – give me a break
gatorboy on December 2, 2008 at 10:30 PM
There is a lot of evidence to the contrary. As mentioned above, so many think the New Deal pulled us out of the Depression, and that was 60 years ago.
Most people don’t pay close attention to politics, and absorb the message they hear over and over again without thinking analytically before forming an opinion.
Red State State of Mind on December 2, 2008 at 10:30 PM
gatorboy: RCP had it as a 5.3% win for Saxby on November 30; as it stands now it appear to be a 15+ point win. Who came in after November 30 to campaign for Saxby. Yes, Sarah Palin. Get used it my friend. Palin power is alive and well. The road to victory 2010 and 2012 begins with this first step.
technopeasant on December 2, 2008 at 10:32 PM
I am part of that 80 %; I truly believed the polling methodology was inaccurate and that Mccain Palin would win 52 to 47. I guess I was wrong.
Red State State of Mind on December 2, 2008 at 10:32 PM
Geez, the PDS is really coming out of the woodwork…
I’m not sure what the implicatons are exactly but
1. I’m happy Saxby is up
2. It seems that THE ONE does well when he is working in a closely orchestrated environment. He seems to have shot his wad for the general election and is taking some time to recover
3. The dems aren’t as powerful or as invincible as they might think (kind of the Dolittle attack on Japan.. It wasn’t a major tactical victory but it did break the myth of Japanese invincibility)
4. The dem voters probably need to be told when to breath in and out. They understood “obama … president” but they might not have understood the implications of the senate votes.
5. Without a statistical control, which is impossible here, we cannot know the true contribution of Gov Palin to the results. However it does appear that she gave ole Saxby a boost.
So, onwards to 2010….
bullseye on December 2, 2008 at 10:34 PM
Geez, I’m reading some of the comments over at Politico. Some really harsh things said about Saxby.
terryannonline on December 2, 2008 at 10:35 PM
Lay the blame squarely at the conservatives, Republicans, ‘independents’, who voted for Obama, the ones who pouted and stayed home, or voted for Barr, or their goat.
May he ruin you. We’ll all pay for it.
Entelechy on December 2, 2008 at 10:35 PM
Oh and also a lot of hate of Georgia and the South from the libs.
terryannonline on December 2, 2008 at 10:38 PM
The National Dem Party has been poluting the TV screens here with complete lies about Saxby and how Martin is going to help Obama save the world.
Driving around you see thousands of Saxby signs — on every road and many houses etc. The only Martin signs I saw this week were in yards with Saxby signs and they had a big red cricle and slash through Martins name (Martin’s official signs, really funny).
I am suprised Martin did as well as he did. Saxby was going to smash him before Gov. Palin came here but she in no way hurt Saxby.
Elizabetty on December 2, 2008 at 10:39 PM
I’ll let you all in on a secret… today’s weather was a larger contributor to saxby’s win than was palin’s visit…
many of saxby’s votes were banked last week with early voting – as were a bunch of martin’s. Jump ahead to today’s butt freezin’ temperatures (by GA standards) and it is easy to see that the enthusiasm level for DEM voters to go out and cast a vote for Martin dropped like a lead balloon. They already had their feel-good moment with the general election and lets face it, it’s hard for anyone to get pumped up to vote for martin.
I like palin fine – I voted for her a couple weeks ago – but you all are setting yourselves up for disappointment by continuously hyping up her every utterance and move
gatorboy on December 2, 2008 at 10:40 PM
No Acorn this time.
Skywise on December 2, 2008 at 10:41 PM
Oh how sweet! Somebody who thinks that the majority of Obama voters thought about anything other than being able to vote for the sorta-black guy so that they could feel better about themselves. Things like experience didn’t matter this time around and America is screwed as a result. I blame the mindless left but I also blame the idiotic “Republicans” who engineered the primaries to put a cranky old bastard at the top of the ticket when the only electability choice wasn’t McCain but something new and different. The only scent of victory came when the man who hates social conservatives and evangelicals finally decided to stop pissing on his own constituency and put somebody like Palin on the ticket. I personally think it was too late and the wrong choice for this election but so be it. We were destined for an Obama victory the minute the GOP “leadership” decided to front the process in such a way that the real Republicans all killed their chances off so that the field was open for a RINO. It was supposed to be Rudy but a bitter old man was better than actually listening to the real base of the party.
highhopes on December 2, 2008 at 10:44 PM
gatorboy: now if Saxby had won by only 5 points and the weather was great would you have said the same thing about Palin? Your template would have been exactly the same.
technopeasant on December 2, 2008 at 10:44 PM
gatorboy on December 2, 2008 at 10:40 PM
There was no enthusiasm to give Obama a filibuster proof majority?
Phoenician on December 2, 2008 at 10:46 PM
I’d suggest that the right is more enamored in the idea of a Palin candidacy than thinking about it rationally. Just as Obama won because the sheeple didn’t see a terrorist loving racist socialist- they saw the black one. Likewise Palin is a great concept but there are other up and coming conservative governors (like Jindal) who, in fact, offer a much better package for 2012.
highhopes on December 2, 2008 at 10:47 PM
Nope. See: global warming.
All based on media propaganda, outright lies, distortions, and myths. The sheeple’s new religion. FAITH. They have FAITH that they’re scr*wing up the planet LOL.
(Don’t tell them that Mars is having climate change…they’ll demand we double our recycling to save it).
Let’s roll.
ex-Democrat on December 2, 2008 at 10:49 PM
THAT’s funny (and sadly, somewhat true), and a good way to wrap up my night; thanks for the humor, Bullseye
Red State State of Mind on December 2, 2008 at 10:51 PM
If Saxby had indeed lost, Palin would be to blame, right? At least, the MSM would see it that way. I want to give her as much credit as I can for contributing, despite it looking good for Chambliss before she arrived.
hockey2k5 on December 2, 2008 at 10:51 PM
highhopes: Jindal is a worthy candidate but I disagree with your characterization of Sarah Palin as just a concept; Sarah Palin is a full-fledged movement and potential juggernaut that is gaining strength as we speak and determined to take back America from the Bushies who sold their conservative souls to the devil and to the Obamatrons who have no souls to sell. As I wrote on another thread -either you are for conservatism or you are against it; if the latter-get out of the way-we’re coming through.
technopeasant on December 2, 2008 at 10:53 PM
The question is not why Saxby won, it’s why he won by a margin 2-3+ times what the polls forecast.
Phoenician on December 2, 2008 at 10:56 PM
Yeah, I just looked at Huffpo, since someone mentioned that earlier, and the comments there were all about how horrible the South is, how inbred Georgia people not in the big cities are, and so on and so forth.
Makes me hate them. Bigoted cretins, who think they’re all that.
Alana on December 2, 2008 at 10:57 PM
Palin certainly didn’t hurt things.
Even if she is only preaching to the choir, the choir figures that if she’s going to go to the trouble to come down here and speak, we can at least go to the trouble of getting out butts out to vote. So it helps.
Alana on December 2, 2008 at 11:01 PM
What? Are we saving the Humping Robots video for confirmation of Norm Coleman retaining his Senate seat? C’mon, AP! Bring it on! :D
DakRoland on December 2, 2008 at 11:02 PM
Oh for f%%k sakes why would we say that Mccain is going to lose when we needed every single one to turn out in the general?
Even if most people thought he was going to lose the right attitude to have is the hope that he wins. This is not like watching two teams that you don’t care about.
We were all on one team even though deep down many people thought that he might lose it was better to hope for a win and keep everyone spirits up to get people to the polls and vote!
I for ones knew that his odds weren’t great after the Financial collapse but we had to stay positive and hope that he would pull it off.
Dritanian on December 2, 2008 at 11:05 PM
Yes, Victory!! Let the GOP winning streak begin now!!!!
goldeagle11 on December 2, 2008 at 11:05 PM
That is how we keep the lunatic left away from our state! Too many come to Emory for the weather and stay.
Hope this limits the damage to North Carolina. The liberal creep down to the south should halt in NC if they think we GAians are so backward.
The plan worked perfectly. Now we can keep bitterly clingy to our guns and religion.
Branch Rickey on December 2, 2008 at 11:05 PM
Agnes Scott College, by any chance?
Could explain much, if so.
Just saying, not exactly a bastion of tolerance. The liberals who run, “teach,” and attend “that college” do not tolerate of anything left of Trotsky.
Branch Rickey on December 2, 2008 at 11:16 PM
Yesterday AP issued a narky demarche saying how it was unnecessary for Sarah palin to go to Georgia, seeing that your boy Rmoney delivered Chambliss a healthy lead of 5%.
Chambliss won by 15%, explain it away please.
promachus on December 2, 2008 at 11:22 PM
Amen to those sentiments. Blue-staters creating devastation in their own states and then moving down here to spread the misery. Keep it at home.
ddrintn on December 2, 2008 at 11:29 PM
Yeah, but the Chambliss voters got out in the butt-freezing cold, and Martin’s didn’t. I’d find it hard to get pumped up about Chambliss as well, to be honest.
ddrintn on December 2, 2008 at 11:36 PM
Define “necessary”. If he was going to win — and the polls indicated he would–, it doesn’t really matter that there’s a larger margin. You’re not “necessary” to win if all you’re doing is increasing the margin of victory.
That’s not to say it’s not good she brought the margin up.
amerpundit on December 2, 2008 at 11:37 PM
Huh? You’re one of the people who shot your mouth off before the election, and now that your “prediction” didn’t come through, you say you’re only kidding? Please. If you want to make ridiculous predictions, and when they don’t come true, at least take some responsibility. You were supposed to say what you thought was going to happen, not what you wanted to happen.
If you (and others) think that comments on Hot Air message boards will have an effect on the Presidential Election, then you’re living in a fantasy world.
asc85 on December 2, 2008 at 11:41 PM
Jon Stewart had a good name for Palin:
“The GOP’s BFG.”
He actually said something worth hearing.
KingGold on December 2, 2008 at 11:44 PM
Gotcha…I shouldn’t have “believed” what you (and the other 80%) were writing at that time, and how dismissive you all were that Obama was going to win.
Glad to hear that even when you weren’t correct, you really were correct.
I guess it’s like that old “lawyer” joke…how do you know that a lawyer is lying? He’s moving his lips.
Take some responsibility on what you say…OK?
asc85 on December 2, 2008 at 11:49 PM
Saw it on the road in Arizona before sunset and under semi-foggy skies in Los Angeles. I thought they were satellites at first, but they moved with the moon as I drove along so that thought went out the window (so to speak).
unclesmrgol on December 2, 2008 at 11:55 PM
As I have said before, the Dems will never be able to use the “first black President” card again.
The Chambliss results should be a warning shot to Dems that America is back to normal.
faraway on December 2, 2008 at 11:58 PM
They said Saxby is for open borders and I was wondering what his Democratic candidates opinion was on that particular issue? Was Martin for border security first, or was he just another lightweight in favor of making all central americans USA citizens? If Martin is for all this legalization then I would be supporting Saxby if I lived in Ga.
garydt on December 2, 2008 at 11:59 PM
OT: Is Obama’s cabinet leaning further right than McCain’s would have?
faraway on December 3, 2008 at 12:03 AM
2010 will be open season.
The economy will not recover by then. Neither R or D realize how big a mess Dodd, Franks, Waters, and others made of Fannie and Freddie.
The bottom line of all this is very simple. Bernake is an idiot. He thinks he studied the depression but did not learn anything. FDR threw a bunch of money at it then and BO will throw a bunch more next year. You can throw all the money you want to at banks, but you cannot force them to loan, and you can throw a bunch of money at the public, but you cannot force them to spend.
By 2010, unless he gets a war, chances are very good he will have made it worse.
Starlink on December 3, 2008 at 12:09 AM
It’s sad when the GOP is so excited over winning a senate seat in Georgia that had to go to a runoff. Georgia! I guess the conservatives can have this moment, but is it at all surprising? Martin actually outperformed Obama in GA on election day by combining Obama voters and those who just hate Saxby Chambliss. The later turned out today and few else.
But what exactly do Republicans think they will gain from obstructing Obama? He has made very public overtures towards bipartisanship and whether they are substantive or not, the American people believe he’s doing this “team of rivals” thing. He’s winning massive honeymoon support now for being concilliatory to the other side and he’s framed his side as the people who just want to “work and get something done.” This idea of “doing something” is popular right now among a majority of Americans. Being obstructionist now isn’t a message that can work. It worked in 1994 when people had lost trust in Bill Clinton, but he fell out with his own party. Dems in Congress are falling in line, but quick.
The opposite is the case with the GOP. As the party continues to self-cannibilize unity is going to be harder and harder to come by. I’d worry less about Susan Collins and more about Mel Martinez, who isn’t up for re-election. I’d worry about Olympia Snowe. I’d worry about Norm Coleman, yes Norm Coleman, Minnesota voted for Obama overwhelmingly. I’d worry about any GOP senator up for re-election in a state that went blue in 2008. The American people want action, not obstruction, if the GOP doesn’t get on board expect more losses. It’s kind of awesome.
DeathToMediaHacks on December 3, 2008 at 12:25 AM
You had it right here
Then you lost it. You can’t seriously believe that anyone sane takes his/her anonymous comment on a blog too much to heart.
Entelechy on December 3, 2008 at 12:34 AM
huh? I shouted of my mouth? RIghtttt…
In your orgasmic rush for an ”I told you so, you laps dogs were wrong and delusional” moment you have totally attempted to ignore everything I’ve said…..Pathetic.
Let’s try this again….mmmmkkk?
I’ve stated before and I’ll say it again; Elections aren’t a freaking game!!! People like me who care about the direction this country is going put our emotions, time and energy into these campaigns by going to events and working for the Candidates ettc. I like many others thought and prayed that MAC might have a chance to win but realized that it would be tough after the Bailout/ Financial Mess. Even after that I hoped that he would win. This doesn’t make us delusional. This makes ushopeful, a natural human characteristic.
My point which you seem to be missing is this; It is natural that many people on here were fired up for our side even when all the head winds were going against us in a political season, hence some of us thought we had a better chance then it turnout that he had. This does not mean we discounted any possibility of losing like you seem to imply. Our attitude was natural to want our side to win considering the stakes!
Did you honestly expect everyone to get all depress and say that we are going to lose? Get real. It’s not in most people’s nature to assume the worse unless it is abundantly clear that there is zero percent chance of winning. This was not the case in this election by any stretch of the imagination (Hell Mac was winning at one point for god sakes) even though the head winds favored the dimbos so greatly this year.
shock that we lost on election night? I doubt that.
Dritanian on December 3, 2008 at 12:39 AM
I didn’t register here until the day before the election, and I didn’t make any comment at all on the possible outcome, so you’ll have to take that up with someone else.
ddrintn on December 3, 2008 at 12:43 AM
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