If what you think is the Holy Spirit reveals ‘truth’ to you that differs from what scripture says, it is not what you say it is.

The Bible is very clear in condemning homosexual behavior. Following another standard is easier, until the voyage of discovery becomes a shipwreck.

Right_of_Attila on December 4, 2008 at 10:18 AM

I would not dispute this. The great difficulty throughout history has been the answers to “what comes from man? versus what comes from God?”. Martin Luther’s focus on scripture alone was a reaction to the traditions of the Catholic church and to the proclamations of the Pope that were not a part of scripture and that he found objectionable on moral or scriptural grounds. Good for him (I am a Protestant as well). The question, however, remains. What comes from man? and what comes from God? Jesus warned his disciples against the yeast of the Pharisees — rules taught by men that have nothing to do with God. The scriptures and the Holy Spirit are the only guides that we have (to help us tell the difference).

My collie says:

BTW, it is our belief the many scientific discoveries that we have made over the last 20 centuries are among those truths that were never revealed to us in the scriptures.

Should the GOP oppose gay adoption?

You may as well ask the question…. “Should Republicans become Democrats?”

The crux of the matter is, are the scriptures the ONLY (exclusive) authority on ALL matters? — some people believe that this is so. I don’t. For me, the Holy Spirit is the OTHER authority that has equal merit. Jesus said that the Holy Spirit would “lead us into all truth.” To me, that implies that we are on a voyage of discovery — not all truth had been revealed to us at the time of His ascension.

CyberCipher on December 2, 2008 at 11:57 PM

If what you think is the Holy Spirit reveals ‘truth’ to you that differs from what scripture says, it is not what you say it is.

The Bible is very clear in condemning homosexual behavior. Following another standard is easier, until the voyage of discovery becomes a shipwreck.

No one knows the actual percentage of the Roman Catholic Clergy that are attracted to their own sex — same-sex

SC.Charlie on December 3, 2008 at 10:14 PM

Then the statement that it is a “known fact that a high percentage” is wrong.
That is what happens with these arguments, people start throwing out comments, emotional comments, and they are not accurate…just stick with the accurate statements, otherwise we begin to wonder if you are being dishonest, or are you just sloppy with facts.
Either way you are manipulating someones reputation irresponsibly.

http://www.religioustolerance.org/hom_rcc.htm

We will never know the true percentage. If queried before June of last year, I would have answered that that I was not gay, since I have never had a homosexual relationship …….. and, I am not a priest.

The fact that a high percentage of Roman Catholic priests and nuns are homosexual is a known fact. Most have chosen a life of celibacy and devotion to their work.

SC.Charlie on December 3, 2008 at 8:26 PM

Well if it is a “known fact”…please tell us the percentage of the “known fact”.
Link please.

You’re equating opposition to the adoption of children by same-sex couples as “hatred” which is a neat trick. Its easy to win debates when you can state definitively that your political opponents are motivated by “hatred”. Back in reality there are people who oppose gay adoption for a myriad of social/religious/societal/practical reasons. If the “hatred” argument doesn’t work out you might want to formulate a new one. Good luck.

aengus on December 3, 2008 at 8:51 PM

I suppose that you will say that you love the sinner (homosexual), but hate the sin (homosexuality)? May I pose a kind of different question? Should a celibate homosexual be allowed to adopt a child?

Listen to yourselves and ask if the comments here help or hurt the GOP?

Thats neither here nor there. If supporting traditional morality hurts the GOP then why should anyone vote for them?

Better yet, ask yourselves if hatred, of any kind, actually helps ‘your children.’

You’re equating opposition to the adoption of children by same-sex couples as “hatred” which is a neat trick. Its easy to win debates when you can state definitively that your political opponents are motivated by “hatred”. Back in reality there are people who oppose gay adoption for a myriad of social/religious/societal/practical reasons. If the “hatred” argument doesn’t work out you might want to formulate a new one. Good luck.

The church has failed in taking care of the orphans and has allowed the state to do it and this is what we get for it!

The “our” children that the FL case handled were not cared for by their straight parents, who must have been less interested in them than a family requires.

Interest in children probably varies more by gender than by sexual orientation. A lesbian mother likely has a stronger nurturing instinct than with a straight male.

Homosexuals should never be permitted to adopt children.

Google: The Trojan Couch

You may find Part I quite interesting.

Also Google: ‘Gay Rights’ Icon Frank Kameny Says Bestiality OK ‘as Long as the Animal Doesn’t Mind’

Maybe the issue will become clearer to you.

Wow.

Now you’re comparing Mother Teresa with sexual perverts?

You’ve really gone off the deep end.

Maybe there is some correlation between homosexuality and the lack of ability to formulate an intelligent thought..

SaintOlaf on December 3, 2008 at 7:12 PM

I guess that you are going for Sainthood SaintOlaf? The fact that a high percentage of Roman Catholic priests and nuns are homosexual is a known fact. Most have chosen a life of celibacy and devotion to their work.

Oh, oh, oh, what about Mother Theresa? She was really interested in ‘your children.’ Was she one of ‘you?’ Nun at 18, very strict upbringing. No real record of relationships other then with God.

Wow.

Now you’re comparing Mother Teresa with sexual perverts?

You’ve really gone off the deep end.

Maybe there is some correlation between homosexuality and the lack of ability to formulate an intelligent thought..

Why are homosexuals so interested in our children?

sinsing on December 3, 2008 at 1:27 PM

I’ve always wondered that myself. They seem so much more interested than anyone else.

Badger40 on December 3, 2008 at 1:31 PM

Really?

Maybe the same reason a barren couple is more interested in ‘your children,’ right? Of course a barren couple is one of ‘you,’ so that is okay, right?

Doesn’t matter if someone wants a loving family does it — it is us against them!

Oh, oh, oh, what about Mother Theresa? She was really interested in ‘your children.’ Was she one of ‘you?’ Nun at 18, very strict upbringing. No real record of relationships other then with God.

If they are ‘your children’ why are they up for adoption? Shouldn’t you be caring for them? What kind of a person lets their children go without a loving home.

Listen to yourselves and ask if the comments here help or hurt the GOP?

Better yet, ask yourselves if hatred, of any kind, actually helps ‘your children.’ Should a child be raised in a home where hatred pours out of the keyboard every time gay issues are discussed?

The biases displayed here certainly hasn’t helped the anti-gay cause just as the idiots in CA haven’t helped the anti-8 cause.
David

Preference, desire – these change. Emotions change. How could a 15-year old possibly know, I mean know, that they won’t? – Amphipolis on December 3, 2008 at 4:41 PM

Did you know your sexual preferrence at the age of 15? The term that you are grasping for is reparative therapy. I would suggest that you Google the term. Or, go read Freud’s 1935 letter to the American mother of a homosexual. Here’s the link: http://wthrockmorton.com/2007/03/17/freud-on-homosexuality-letter-to-a-mother/

If you can not figure out the obvious answer to this question, you probably are not fit to roam around in the civilized world.

Can you tell me what that means? I have heard lots of definitions for homosexual. Is it that you have had a homosexual experience or homosexual thoughts, that your desire is more for your own sex than the opposite sex (does this exclude bisexuals?), that you have a homosexual relationship, or that you just declare yourself to be homosexual?

Preference, desire – these change. Emotions change. How could a 15-year old possibly know, I mean know, that they won’t?

You are a person just like any other, with lots of various desires. This does not a separate type of person make. I can’t say whether I will never be attracted to someone of my own sex, I have no crystal ball. But I do have a wife. I will not violate my decision to be with only her.

If you say it is none of your business, fine – that is reasonable. But then don’t say that gays are just like everyone else. Because your head is in the sand. Amphipolis on December 3, 2008 at 2:50 PM

Perhaps I should direct you to some very graphic heterosexual websites. The Internet is full of them.

Why are homosexuals so interested in our children?

sinsing on December 3, 2008 at 1:27 PM

Just think what it is like to be homosexual at the age of 15 ……… and read all the enlightened thought spewed on this thread.

Thanks, people, for totally grossing me out!
As if this topic wasn’t distasteful enough, you’ve now made it vomit-making.

No, believe it or not I restrain myself, and homosexuals hide behind my decency. I do not dare mention more details of why homosexual behavior is not comprable to heterosexual behavior. Decent folk like you could not stand it. You say practice safe sex, but you have no idea what that means to a male homosexual. Go to their web sites and see. And, since this thread is supposed to be on gay parenting, don’t miss the male lactation discussions.

If you say it is none of your business, fine – that is reasonable. But then don’t say that gays are just like everyone else. Because your head is in the sand.

And if you look way back you will see that I was not necessarily against gay adoption.

Maybe. A lot of kids have thought their parents were overbearing, emotionally unavailable, out of touch or flawed in some of several other ways.

dedalus on December 3, 2008 at 2:42 PM

Indeed, but most of those would not make it through the adoption process.

Gays adopting children is just an open, inexorable invitation to gender-confused drama.

Unless she’s a butch, who will probably overextend herself to be a mentally made caricature of a man she wishes she was, but will never and can never be.

BKennedy on December 3, 2008 at 2:31 PM

Maybe. A lot of kids have thought their parents were overbearing, emotionally unavailable, out of touch or flawed in some of several other ways.