Should the GOP oppose gay adoption?
posted at 5:30 pm on December 1, 2008 by Ed Morrissey
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James Richardson tosses out the gauntlet at his new blog, The Skepticians, in discussing a recent ruling in Florida that overturned a ban on gay couples adopting children. Richardson worked at the RNC this past year, and believes that the gay-rights issue will eventually marginalize the Republican Party. He sharply criticizes the proponents of the ban in Florida:
Florida’s indefensible ban dates back 31 years to Anita Bryant’s “Save our Children” crusade. On the day of its passage, freshman Sen. Don Chamberlin of Clearwater asked of his colleagues: “Will we sleep better knowing we have institutionalized shame for those who have already felt shame? Is there sufficient justification to deny one child — one parent — the joy of being a family?” In the eyes of Florida’s state senate, there was, indeed, “sufficient justification” to pass the reprehensible ban. Chamberlin’s heartfelt and courageous plea was met with support of only four senators: Betty Castor, Jack Gordon, Kenneth Myers and Lori Wilson.
Joining Florida’s dubious ranks are Utah—a state settled largely for the Mormon Church’s non-conventional marriage practices (discontinued in 1890)—who bans unmarried straight or gay couples from adopting or fostering children, and Mississippi—a state with a less than sterling record in upholding the rights of minorities—who has legislation to ban gay couples, but not single gays, from adopting. What is it about gay couples like Frank Gill and his partner that are so toxic to children? Florida’s current listing of “adoptable” children includes 453 Boys, 274 Girls and 39 Sibling Groups – none of which can be adopted by gay men and women. Having the government (i.e. Katrina bunglers) raise the next generation of Americans seems much more preferential than a loving, stable home with, God forbid, two same-sex parents…
My support for gay adoption will surely be met with hostility and, no doubt, charges of RHINO’ism by many of my colleagues, but the Grand Old Party is at a crossroads and now is not the time for an echo chamber. Homosexual demagoguery is not the answer to the Party’s woes, particularly when gay men and women represent the only demographic in which John McCain bested President Bush (27% to 19% based on exit polling). And as Daniel Blatt notes, gay-hostile rhetoric no longer resonates in suburban areas with soccer moms, many of whom have gay friends or family members, and plays even worse with young voters, 61% of which voted against stripping gay couples of the right to marry.
In this case, the judge ruled that the state of Florida had conflicting statutes in allowing gay couples and single gay people to act as foster parents while denying them the right to adopt children. That does seem rather strange. If gay couples cannot adequately serve as adoptive parents, why would the state allow them to act in the more-risky role of foster parents?
My preference would be to see orphaned children placed in married homes with a mother and father. That would be my preference for all children, as I believe that to be the healthiest environment in the general sense. However, I would much rather see a child adopted by loving single parents or gay couples than raised in orphanages or series of foster homes. While there are many couples waiting for babies through adoption services with wait times as long as five years, many children that are older or who have special needs wait for their entire childhood to find a home.
I’d prefer, though, that any changes to public policy come from the legislature or referendum. The judge was right to note the hypocrisy, but judges should limit themselves to constitutional challenges when it comes to changing law. Our system does not set judges as an unelected star chamber to decide on public policy. The people of Florida may have a rational reason to have two sets of qualifications for foster homes and adoption, even if the judge doesn’t agree with it. If it doesn’t violate the state constitution, then the judge’s role is to enforce the law, not change it.
Also, James is a nice guy — we’ve met a couple of times — but he takes the wrong tone in this challenge. Public adoption is a difficult responsibility, and the opponents of gay adoption are concerned about the welfare of children placed in homes. For some reason, James seems unwilling to credit them with any good motives at all. If he doesn’t want hostility as a response, he might be advised not to offer it as an argument in the first place.
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How about banning out of country adoptions, so people who want children get with the program and adopt AMERICAN orphans, no matter what the age and if they want a Baby compared to a 4-18 yr old! Which include Gay couples if they deem it fit.
3 birds… one stone.
upinak on December 1, 2008 at 5:35 PM
Pretty much sums up my position.
ThePrez on December 1, 2008 at 5:36 PM
I was just thinking about this. We’ll do a trade:
Abortion gets banned and gays get to adopt. Its a concession that at least saves unborn lives. Also, my over/under for this thread is 500.
jimmy the notable on December 1, 2008 at 5:37 PM
I agree with this approach, but is there really any way to legislate that gays can adopt “leftover” kids who aren’t wanted by a traditional male-female married couple? I don’t see how that could be done without inflaming the issue even more than it has been already.
Cicero43 on December 1, 2008 at 5:38 PM
The GOP should punt this and not take a position.
Kjeil on December 1, 2008 at 5:38 PM
Only married couples should be allowed to adopt.
And since it is illegal for gays to marry, that would mean they could not adopt, since they are not legally married.
Problem solved
pseudonominus on December 1, 2008 at 5:38 PM
While I have reservations about gay couples adopting, it is preferable to abortion. If the screening process is made adequate (which I don’t think it currently is for state run adoptions) I can live with it. The states could take plenty of lessons from private adoption agencies.
Vashta.Nerada on December 1, 2008 at 5:40 PM
I’ll go with a firm YES! As a concession, gays should be able to have all of the babies that they can, naturally.
Star20 on December 1, 2008 at 5:41 PM
Well, I could see allowing gay couples to adopt children as a last resort. I guess it’s better than nothing.
SoulGlo on December 1, 2008 at 5:41 PM
no, not just because it will only become more and more politically unsound but also because its wrong. Its no different than liberal nanny statism. Conservatives would be wise to learn the fact that government is not an efficient tool for intervention, whether it be economic, social or otherwise.
libertytexan on December 1, 2008 at 5:42 PM
I like your compromise and will take the over.
thomasaur on December 1, 2008 at 5:43 PM
The question is, are gay couples happy. Is it an inherently happy lifestyle. Also, do their adopted kids end up being screwed up. Unfortunately, psychological studies won’t answer these questions well. Life is tough, and making good choices is difficult. I don’t think being gay is very happy or healthy. And their kids … that’s a difficult question.
Paul-Cincy on December 1, 2008 at 5:43 PM
No.
It's Vintage, Duh on December 1, 2008 at 5:43 PM
The best environment to raise a child is with BOTH a mother and a father. Anything else is cruel to the child. Homosexuals should not be able to adopt.
Andy in Agoura Hills on December 1, 2008 at 5:44 PM
“It’s better than abortion.” is what I hear sometimes. But there is no lack of straight adoptors. I really don’t know….
AbaddonsReign on December 1, 2008 at 5:44 PM
Yes, the GOP should oppose same sex adoption because children deserve a mother and a father. Two mothers do not make up for a lack of a father and likewise two fathers do not make up for the lack of a mother.
Society is built on Father/Mother/Children families. No government has a right to change it or disrupt it. When they do, they will fail.
The GOP needs to stay Right… Conservative/Right vs. Liberal/Wrong (not “left” because morality is not relative).
ironmonk on December 1, 2008 at 5:45 PM
Anyone who thinks a child is automatically better off with a foster home than a well to do gay couple is sick. It comes down to this. Being a convicted felon or even a sex offender does not automatically disqualify from adopting. If you feel gays should be automatically disqualified, the only reasoning must be that you think them to be pedofiles and perverts by default. That’s a bigoted position to take…
ernesto on December 1, 2008 at 5:45 PM
Really, the question is: would a child turn out better in a single parent or gay home than in an orphanage or a foster home? I’m not sure of the answer, but experience says that somebody wanting to adopt you and make you a part of their family is better for the child.
Vashta.Nerada on December 1, 2008 at 5:45 PM
I’m 100% against gay adoption. I can’t see any reasonable argument in favor of it, unless one thinks that any group of people living together ought to be able to adopt kids.
progressoverpeace on December 1, 2008 at 5:46 PM
Gays should not be permitted to adopt children under ANY circumstances. THAT should be the conservative position.
As for the GOP. Meh.
My collie says:
No — only adults should be permitted to adopt children.
CyberCipher on December 1, 2008 at 5:46 PM
Actually, this is wrong. Imposing a moral standard in which to raise children IS in the interest of the state. Same goes for marriage, abortion, murder, theft, and perjury.
Andy in Agoura Hills on December 1, 2008 at 5:47 PM
Where do we take a stand?
peacenprosperity on December 1, 2008 at 5:47 PM
Should the GOP allow itself to be painted into this corner? No. Should the GOP put the Democrats on the defensive on the issue and talk over the heads of the media? Yes! The Democrats are in power let them field the social questions for once, make come out for gay adoption instead of Republicans being once again painted as the party that is “against” something.
Theworldisnotenough on December 1, 2008 at 5:48 PM
Hey, its the Koz Kiddie again.
Andy in Agoura Hills on December 1, 2008 at 5:48 PM
That’s the last thing in the world we need to do if we’re gonna rebuild the party. To believe a child is better off in an orphanage than with a gay couple is absurd.
jonezee on December 1, 2008 at 5:50 PM
That seems to be the position many take with any sect that practices polygamy. Now, remind me why gay marriage is “natural” and polygamous marriage is not …
progressoverpeace on December 1, 2008 at 5:50 PM
Heterosexual married couples should get priority always, but gays and singles are probably better than orphanages.
Kensington on December 1, 2008 at 5:50 PM
I’m sure that it’s not the answer to the Party’s woes either to arrive at policy positions that are essentially nothing more than stating what do we need to say to get you to vote for us.
rw on December 1, 2008 at 5:51 PM
Why does the left succeed in putting these questions into a “rights” context? There is no right to adopt the children of others, the sole role of law in this matter is assessing the best interests of the child. The legislature is the institution empowered to set preferences for raising children and is entirely within its discretion to prefer stable homes of a man and woman dedicated to each other in marriage when setting permanent adoption policy.
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When you turn the question into a rights controversy it ends up like abortion. The needs of the child are snuffed out to serve the agenda of activists.
Mark30339 on December 1, 2008 at 5:53 PM
No.
BadgerHawk on December 1, 2008 at 5:54 PM
This has long ago been answered, medically and psychologically. Homosexuals have higher rates of alcoholism and drug addiction, were afflicted with nasty diseases heterosexuals weren’t long before aids. Homosexual men on average die 20 years before normal men. Although, because of political correctness, homosexual men are allowed to give blood, it is not used for transfusions because science knows that eventually there will be another nasty disease in that community because of the acts they commit.
peacenprosperity on December 1, 2008 at 5:55 PM
Mommy kissing mommy. That’s gross.
Daddy kissing daddy. That’s revolting.
…and you want to put a kid into that environment?
pseudonominus on December 1, 2008 at 5:55 PM
It’s biologically impossible for gays to have children, obviously, so children adopted by gay couples would necessarily be raised in an unnatural environment. Regardless of what psychiatrists may presently theorize, (I have no idea, but can guess), only time will reveal the real consequences to these children.
I’m apposed to exploiting children by using them as test subjects in psychological experiments which will affect them for the rest of their lives, especially in an attempt to pander for the votes of a special interest group.
FloatingRock on December 1, 2008 at 5:55 PM
I’m just sitting around wondering what the correlation is between homosexuality and pedophilia. I’m going to guess that it’s pretty close to what it is for heterosexuals, but if someone has real numbers one way or the other I’d love to hear them.
Absent those numbers, it’s pretty much a question of bigotry – kind of like where we were with mixed-race couples 40 years ago.
Another question – does the federal government really need to be involved with this? Shouldn’t this be left to the states or to the people? Oops, I forgot, lots of “big-government is just fine and dandy if it supports our agenda” Republicans in here.
ErikTheRed on December 1, 2008 at 5:55 PM
I wholly disagree. Opponents of gay adoption are primarily interested in using the government to enforce their anit-gay bigotry. Gay couples tend to be more affluent and better educated than straight couples. If opponents of gay adoption were interested in child welfare, they wouldn’t be opponents of gay adoption.
I assume most people who are homophobic simply don’t know any gay people. I’ve known a few, and they’re as likely as anyone to be good parents. The idea that there’s something unique to the “gay lifestyle” that might harm children is ignorant tripe.
Enrique on December 1, 2008 at 5:56 PM
I think the GOP needs to shy away from telling people how to live. I am not gay, and I am not a big supporter of gay marriage or whatever, but at the same time I think that some issues need to be left to states and communities. Why does the party have to stake a stand on every single social issue?
I could not have children and my husband and I tried and failed to adopt back in the 80’s. It was during the farm crisis and we were told our economic situation was too precarious. If we could have had children naturally that would not have been an issue, but not having enough money mattered when adopting. We got a divorce in the early 90’s and so maybe it was for the best in the long run that we did not adopt, but I remember what it was like to think to myself that I could be a lousy excuse for a human being and have a child if I could just get pregnant. After all, bad people have children every day. And most of them are heterosexual.
Terrye on December 1, 2008 at 5:56 PM
Hmmmm…let me think about this???? NO!
bard on December 1, 2008 at 5:56 PM
Personally, I believe children are better off raised in a two parent, mom and dad home. From a political standpoint, however, I think this is a non-starter for the GOP. The genie is out of the bottle. There are too many broken homes and single parent families to make a compelling case that there needs to be a national policy on gays adopting to protect children when so many other children need protecting already. And it seems to me with surrogates and in vitro fertilization available, nothing is going to stop a homosexual individual or couple from producing children out of wedlock (just as nothing stops heterosexuals from doing the same thing). I think the GOP should steer clear of this issue.
Y-not on December 1, 2008 at 5:57 PM
As a Christian I beleieve we should be praying for an adoption movement in the church. When children are being adopted into Christian families at a rate much higher than they are today we will see the salience of this issue fade away politically. Especially if black children are getting adopted. The arguements for gay adoption would fade.
Theworldisnotenough on December 1, 2008 at 5:58 PM
Well, feel free to make the offer.
But try not to be too shocked when the “If we can’t kill ‘em, molest ‘em” Democrats turn you down.
logis on December 1, 2008 at 5:58 PM
“Institutionalized shame?”
Sorry Mr. Richardson, today’s homosexual is proud of the fact they self-identify with where they would prefer to place their genitals.
And if you aren’t celebratory in sharing their pride for being out about their sexual preference, well, you’re a bigot who deserves to be shouted down, blacklisted, intimidated, have your church vandalized, etc. ad infinitum.
No more. I’m sorry, I’ve shifted back and forth over this for several years, but this idiocy in response to Prop 8 is enough. Gay anything is a frivolity that only a hedonistic society with no actual worries can afford.
The GOP will never win the gay vote. They’re as solidly liberal as the black community, with the sole exception that the black community at least has a modicum of traditional values left in them to appeal to.
It’s time to stop pretending that Adam and Steve are as equally equipped to raise a child as Adam and Eve. Adam and Steve cannot consummate anything, their relationship is not conjugal, and it is an insult to human intelligence to suggest that their relationship is interchangeable with a stable heterosexual relationship.
Enough of this nonsense. By gay and proud somewhere else, like in your private bedroom’s which you profess to care so much about.
BKennedy on December 1, 2008 at 5:58 PM
EriktheRed:
There is no connection between child molesters and gay people. People who molest children are not gay, they are pedophiles. I mean how hard is that to understand? They are more interested in the age than the sex.
Terrye on December 1, 2008 at 5:59 PM
Should they? No. Will they? Oh, heck yeah.
RightOFLeft on December 1, 2008 at 6:00 PM
Is that a rhetorical question?
Aronne on December 1, 2008 at 6:00 PM
Gee, that’s one of the exact same arguments that the bigots who opposed mixed-race marriages used. Coincidence? Happenstance?
ErikTheRed on December 1, 2008 at 6:00 PM
When the people are too young to know, ie young children, it is up to the adults to do the right thing. I vote for two parent, mom and dad, as first choice. Nothing else is fair to the child.
tarpon on December 1, 2008 at 6:00 PM
James Richardson could at least understand the acronyms he’s using…
It’s not RHINO… it’s RINO.
Lehosh on December 1, 2008 at 6:01 PM
It doesn’t really matter if the couple is gay or straight. What is best for the child/ren is a loving home with parents who are involved in the child/rens life.
To say that a couple, either heterosexual or homosexual, who are “well to do” is better off for a child/ren than in a foster home with adults who are involved and care for the children is ignorant…but it is very liberal…throw money at the problem and it will all be better tomorrow.
PappaMac on December 1, 2008 at 6:01 PM
That’s true, but partly because gay couples tend to not have children, which are expensive and keep a lot of people from pursuing higher education.
BadgerHawk on December 1, 2008 at 6:01 PM
In a word, yes. Are we to compromise our principles just because liberals think we’re backward? I don’t think so.
Aronne on December 1, 2008 at 6:01 PM
That’s bullsh&t.
Big difference between skin color and sexual penchants.
Tim Zank on December 1, 2008 at 6:02 PM
BKennedy:
The GOP might not get ever get the gay vote, but they can lose even more Independents if they make an issue of something like this. What ever happened to letting states use their legislatures to make the laws? Why does the whole party have to support every state doing the same thing? Whatever happened to federalism and self rule and the right of communities to make some rules for themselves? Utah and San Francisco are not the same, they never will be. But if the GOP comes out against this as a hard and fast rule that applies to all gay people then it will be accused of bigotry and a lot of people who might otherwise support certain conservative principles will be uncomfortable with the party.
Terrye on December 1, 2008 at 6:03 PM
Mixed race couples could have babies 40 years ago just like they can today, whereas gay couples have never successfully reproduced naturally. Your analogy is inapplicable.
FloatingRock on December 1, 2008 at 6:03 PM
Well, that’s what I’m trying to get people to think about because when I discuss the issue with my friends who are against it, this is one of the major reasons that it always eventually comes down to. Even if there was a statistical correlation (which I doubt, but I’m willing to hear someone out on), I’d argue about causation.
ErikTheRed on December 1, 2008 at 6:03 PM
Gay men have on average hundreds of different sexual partners. Why would they be that scrupulous as to whether one or more of them is underage. Yeah, there’s a fuzzy line between gay and pedophilia. Let’s not get into a philosophical argument about “who they are” vs “what they do”. They do a lot of different people.
Paul-Cincy on December 1, 2008 at 6:03 PM
Floating Rock:
Gay people have children all the time, just not with each other.
Terrye on December 1, 2008 at 6:04 PM
regardless of if the GOP does… I do…
Kaptain Amerika on December 1, 2008 at 6:04 PM
Well, it’s not like they’re allowed to get married or anything.
ErikTheRed on December 1, 2008 at 6:04 PM
ok I have a question. What about those “Parents” that go/become gay and have children. Do we take them away?
Does it make a difference then? Would a Gay couple whom didn’t have their own child adopting make a difference.
Sorry, I am kind of tired of people adopting babies from overseas when we have quite a few babies and children to take care of here in the United States.
upinak on December 1, 2008 at 6:04 PM
Agreed.
amerpundit on December 1, 2008 at 6:04 PM
That’s easy, polygamous marriage should be legal as well. Well, consenting adults should be free to contract as they wish (why does the government need to be in charge of marriage?). Regardless of whether you think either is unnatural (I lean to both being so for secular reasons), its not your place to tell them what to do. There are many religions and cultures that practice polygamy and even though I find it disturbing, they should be free to practices as they wish as long as women aren’t coerced into the marriages. In fact I think making polygamy legal would help to prevent this as it would bring the process out of the shadows. The are certainly women in this country who for all intensive purposes are living in polygamist marriages and they have no legal protection.
libertytexan on December 1, 2008 at 6:05 PM
my over/under is 1200 for this thread.
Kaptain Amerika on December 1, 2008 at 6:05 PM
There’s a difference between the “gay lifestyle” and gay marriage/adoption. Almost everything that people find abhorrent about Pridefest/Folsom Street/Whatever is entirely irrelevant to a discussion of people who actually want normal-ish domesticity.
If two guys are seriously getting married and adopting children, I find it hard to believe that they’re also the same dudes marching down the street in assless chaps.
Lehosh on December 1, 2008 at 6:05 PM
Here’s an idea:
Why don’t two college roommates just show up to adopt an orphan. After all, you just need any two people at all, standards are not required. It’s a free for all.
I mean, you just need two people to show up claiming to be a couple. That’s healthy for a child in homosexual land. You see, for gay adoption supporters, it’s about appeasing gay activists, not doing what is best for children.
Somehow homosexuals don’t get that if you’re adopting a child just to confer upon yourself the status of family, you’re doing it for the wrong reason.
BKennedy on December 1, 2008 at 6:06 PM
I don’t know about the pedophile aspect, but the sex lives of gay men are radically different from the sex lives of hetero men. It is nothing for a gay man to go out and have sex with multiple strangers in a single night, but most hetero men could not hope to achieve that. Anyone who knows some gay men knows this fact, as the stories they tell are almost unbelievable. Does that impact pedophilia? More likely yes than no. I think that’s pretty obvious, just judging from the much greater sexual activity in the average gay man’s lifestyle.
progressoverpeace on December 1, 2008 at 6:06 PM
The gay lobby has decided the courts are a better forum for passing gay marriage. So I’d agree with you were it not for the fact gay activists will never let that occur.
BKennedy on December 1, 2008 at 6:07 PM
I think you’re ignoring that “nurture” plays an important role in childhood development. Having both a mother and a father is important to children growing up. It’s certainly a concept that has been embraced by black community and religious leaders who are working very hard to encourage black fathers to stay in their kids’ lives.
Don’t be so quick to put labels on people who value a traditional family structure and want to preserve it.
Y-not on December 1, 2008 at 6:07 PM
Agreed.
D2Boston on December 1, 2008 at 6:08 PM
Come on, don’t you guys have loved ones and people close to you that are gay? Don’t you want them to live a life that is as happy and as satisfying as your own? There is nothing we can do about a person being gay. We can’t change it and we should start accepting it and normalizing it. If 2 gay people fall in love and want to get married and adopt children I don’t see how that affects me one single bit. I like to see a happy loving family. The only difference would be the way they have sex, and yes it makes me queezy, but does not personally affect me. I’m a conservative in every way so don’t anybody start saying I’m something that I’m not.
LaurieM134 on December 1, 2008 at 6:08 PM
That’s a good point. The GOP on the national level doesn’t really have to support or oppose this.
BadgerHawk on December 1, 2008 at 6:08 PM
Bingo. This is the crux of it for me. Conservatives should be against children being brought up by state on all counts. If government is so bad at so many other jobs, how can we expect them to be parents as well?
Hey look, it’s Hillary Clinton! Takes a village, eh?
MadisonConservative on December 1, 2008 at 6:08 PM
Paul-Cincy:
Underage? Do you really think that 3 or 4 is underage? Child molesters are a particular kind of pervert? Do you find the idea that a man might have sex with a 3 year old girl to be normal or less perverse?
The point is that people are concerned with other issues, if in the face of terrorism, recession, high health care costs, high education costs, etc Republicans decide to occupy themselves with making sure that no gay person anywhere in the United States can ever adopt a child…how relevant do you think that will be to most people?
It will be just like the Schiavo business. A lead balloon. Besides, gay people who have not come out do have children and raise them all the time. It happens every day. Do you think their children should be take away from them? Is that going to be the next position the party is to take?
Terrye on December 1, 2008 at 6:08 PM
Remind anyone of certain opponents of a certain proposition in a certain state in the west that just happened to pass a few weeks ago?
Hawkins1701 on December 1, 2008 at 6:09 PM
Not to mention the fact that while I haven’t had hundreds of sexual partners, I’ve been deep into (ahem) double digits. So as a heterosexual who’s now happily married, does that disqualify me?
ErikTheRed on December 1, 2008 at 6:09 PM
It must be nice being able to read the minds of people you’ve never met.
PS. People that don’t like gay people in a completely bigoted fashion – they’re not generally afraid of them. I’m also thinking you’re probably not a clinical psychologist capable of issuing a full blow diagnosis. But by all means continue with the new-speak garbage whatever-phobia nonsense.
TheUnrepentantGeek on December 1, 2008 at 6:09 PM
How about a “don’t ask, don’t tell” policy? Heather’s two mommies can just say that they’re sisters…
I’m only being half serious here.
ramrocks on December 1, 2008 at 6:09 PM
I just love the mention of politicians dictating morality. We’re they supporting the ban because they happened to be raised in a house that believed in the myth surrounding Jesus Christ?
How about letting an agency determine whether a couple is financially and emotionally capable of raising a child and has no past issue that would possibly cause harm to the child? That determination being made off a basic set of criteria — like arrest record and credit score. Not because some book written thousands of years ago that got good PR from someone delusional enough to refer to himself as The Son of God said that it is somehow bad.
grdred944 on December 1, 2008 at 6:09 PM
I have asked that question twice now. No one wants to debate me on it .. it seems.
upinak on December 1, 2008 at 6:10 PM
I too agree with this.
I wonder if those who are so against gays adopting children would support taking away children from gay couples that sought other ways to have offspring (through donors, or even like my mom, who had me the old-fashioned way). I mean, my childhood was frakked up, but I’d rather have my mom any day of the week over foster care. I figure if a gay person is willing to put up with all the time/crap that goes along with adopting, that person is very likely to love and cherish that child, moreso than a girl that gets knocked up as a teen with no family support. It’s not perfect, but life rarely is.
Anna on December 1, 2008 at 6:10 PM
Clearly you haven’t spent much time with hetero guys between the ages of 14 and 25. That’s pretty much all they hope for.
ErikTheRed on December 1, 2008 at 6:11 PM
Yes. That was my point. It is just funny that most gay marriage proponents are viciously opposed to polygamous marriage, because they know that it would open the floodgates and turn people even more against their own petty, little desires to have gay relationships labeled as ‘normal’, when they clearly are not.
progressoverpeace on December 1, 2008 at 6:12 PM
Which doesn’t change the fact that I’m correct in saying that no gay couple has ever successfully reproduced naturally.
FloatingRock on December 1, 2008 at 6:12 PM
That is so true.
BadgerHawk on December 1, 2008 at 6:12 PM
“Well, you see, Johnny, we wanted to adopt a cool kid, but since they only let gays like me and your other daddy adopt as a ‘last resort’, we had to settle for a pimply fat kid like you!”
At least that’s how it’ll sound on the playground.
I basically agree with both of you, but there really isn’t a widely-acceptable answer to this problem. GOP shouldn’t touch this, at least not at a national level.
innominatus on December 1, 2008 at 6:13 PM
I’ll second that. As a kid who grew up in a one parent home i can tell you from personal experience that having a mother and father is what’s needed. You really do miss out on quite a bit when you’re being raised in a household with only one type of parent.
clearbluesky on December 1, 2008 at 6:13 PM
Traditional? What traditions do we share? All 330,000,000 of us. Remind those of us that didn’t get the memo.
grdred944 on December 1, 2008 at 6:14 PM
Wait, it’s wrong to adopt children because you want a family? Then what’s the right reason?
justfinethanks on December 1, 2008 at 6:14 PM
No.
But the GOP needs to name its position on the matter before the media etc all make one up for them….
TR-808 on December 1, 2008 at 6:14 PM
They’re not really being brought up “by the state” so much as by foster parents and state employees. One does not become incompetent simply because one works for the government or receives compensation from the government.
The question is, “Do gay parents cause a kid lasting harm?” If so, more or less harm than an orphanage/foster home? Figure that out and you’ll have your answer.
I don’t know the answer to that question, but it’s worth studying before forming hard conclusions.
Certainly before throwing out that ridiculous “homophobe!!1!” nonsense.
Of course, from a personal perspective, I’ll take the gay parents. At least I’d be well dressed. But then I’m not everyone.
TheUnrepentantGeek on December 1, 2008 at 6:15 PM
BKennedy:
Not every gay person is a gay activist. Not every gay person is having sex with dozens of people. In fact a lot of straight people do have sex with a lot of people, do molest and abuse children and do behave in very irresponsible ways that would be detrimental to raising children..but those people have kids every day. But if you decide to judge every gay person based on the behavior of gay activists, how is that any different from gay activists going after Mormons. In neither case is the character of the individual being taken into account. I used to think that conservatives believed in the character of the individual and the right of people to live their lives without interference from the state. I guess that has changed.
Terrye on December 1, 2008 at 6:15 PM
Wow, I didn’t anticipate that “traditional” would be a hot button word.
I’ll substitute traditional with biological.
Y-not on December 1, 2008 at 6:15 PM
Screw the adults and their wants, our concern must be with the innocent children, who have little or no say in who adopts them, and their NEEDS.
A child NEEDS a man and a woman, not 2 of each confusing the childs own sense of identity. Hell, libs claim cartoons confuse our kids!
I am also opposed to single parenting but have no clue how to end it (my prime concern is with the baby factory not other causes).
allrsn on December 1, 2008 at 6:16 PM
How about the ban, because they emulate their parents’ lifestyle that costs billions and billions of dollars buying at them least 3 anti-retroviral drugs per day, along with 10-12 drugs to combat opportunistic infections?
Children do emulate their parents. Same goes for smoking around their children. As a conservative, I favor a complete ban on tobacco and marijuana use. Both are incredibly harmful to our society.
rlwo2008 on December 1, 2008 at 6:16 PM
I was told by several Republican “soccer moms” from the Pittsburgh suburbs that they voted against Rick Santorum, because of the viciousness of his anti-gay rhetoric. Santorum only got %40 of the vote. If the Republicans think that they should celebrate the anti-gay marriage vote in the last election, they should ponder for a minute what that margin of victory would have been in 1960 and then in 1980 and then now and see if they can spot trend.
thuja on December 1, 2008 at 6:16 PM
If you continue to engage in it — especially with partners at high risk of contracting fatal STDs, then yes, it probably should disqualify you.
In fairness it should be noted that lesbians tend to be monogamous and contract STDs at a lesser rate than gay men or straight men and women.
ramrocks on December 1, 2008 at 6:17 PM
Personally I think children are better served by being raised in a home with a mother and a father but reality is that many children don’t have that option. Many gays in a lving committed realtionship can provide a secure and loving home for children who otherwise would be in foster care or worse.
A gay couple may have issues with acceptance of their relationship which can extend to the child who may already have emotional problems. But the same problems can exist with single parent homes and are we prepared to forbid adoption by singles?
However it is hypocritical to allow gays to foster children but not adopt them. Either it is harmful for a child to be in a homosexual home or it is not.
katiejane on December 1, 2008 at 6:17 PM
In my humble opinion, Yes, it disqualifies you. REASON: In light of your past multiple relationships, you will (1) Not remain happily married (2) Teach your adopted son that it’s ok to treat women like tramps (3) Teach your adopted daughter that it’s ok to let a boy treat you like a tramp.
PappaMac on December 1, 2008 at 6:18 PM
Really?
I gave a child up for adoption. I know whom the “parents” are and I picked them out.
Why should it matter to YOU or ANYONE on here whom I gave my child to as long as I KNOW who is raising him and how they are towards him in their rearing.
WTF is anyone on here, to declare that one person is better at raising a Child then another?
Interesting observations here.
upinak on December 1, 2008 at 6:18 PM
So it’s less cruel to deny them two fathers or two mothers?
That’s illogical.
My preference is this: first a mother and a father, then gay couples, then singles. But I see no logical reason to deny anyone the right to adopt unless something in their personal history suggests they’d be in any way abusive.
These are kids who are stuck in government orphanages or government foster homes. It really doesn’t get much worse than that. Even Oliver was better off with a gang of child pickpockets.
Esthier on December 1, 2008 at 6:19 PM
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