Doppleganker on December 2, 2008 at 3:51 PM

Nope. :D

And for statements like the ones I just made, some consider me a pariah.

Marine_Bio on December 2, 2008 at 3:46 PM

I would be willing to bet that it doesn’t matter.

dk on December 2, 2008 at 3:04 PM

I can only answer this from a Christian perspective, but here goes…

-does that mean that every individual who stands before God must answer for every aborted fetus –

No, every individual who stands before God must answer for every decision they made. So, if an individual hasn’t had an abortion, but does nothing to change the situation i.e. voted for people who support abortion, they do have to give account for that. Now, if you have faith in Jesus, you are pardoned for that, but you still have accountability to it.

or is the price you’re referring to an earthly one and not a spiritual?

Actually, it is both, but I was focusing on the earthly.

In the earthly sense, when a nation is turned over to its depravity, there is a severe decline in the social structure, which begins to tear the nation apart at the seams. There are many paths, but embracing things such as abortion, homosexuality, or any of the multitude other things that usually are labeled as “wrong” will lead to the destruction of a society. Even from a non Christian perspective this makes sense. Stating that embracing ideas that do not produce longevity of the society by fostering families and growth are destructive is pretty much common sense. As a society falls apart, personal freedoms are one of the first things to go.

In the spiritual sense, there is an oppression that sets in. It is evidenced in the erosion of religious freedoms, particularly with Christianity. Christian pastors are the target of the backlash from proposition 8 in California, but why? The claim is that there is religious intolerance of homosexuality. If you look at the Quran, there is intolerance of homosexuality. Jesus said to hate the sin, but love the sinner. This is not a nuance difference.

However, for a better understanding, for starters I would suggest reading Matthew, Mark, Luke and John in the Bible.

But Jeremiah Wright says he’s a Christian. Have to kill any God who doesn’t hate whites, but he’s a Christian… Sigh.

Being “Christian” these days has nothing to do with Jesus called Christ who was killed under Pontius Pilate. It’s basically the religion of “Get along now boys and girls”. Bleh.

justincase on December 2, 2008 at 2:03 PM

I’m sorry, I was talking about Christians – not black nationalist hate mongers and pacifists. Please don’t lump me in with those people who haven’t read the Bible.

Marine_Bio on December 2, 2008 at 3:00 PM

I’ve just gone cross-eared

Sorry for the lack of clarity earlier. Ok, if the nation pays, does that mean that every indivual who stands before God must answer for every aborted fetus or is the price you’re referring to an earthly one and not a spiritual?

Stupid British and their stupid insertion of extra letters to make them seem less stupider than the rest of us.

LimeyGeek on December 2, 2008 at 2:48 PM

Or is that really stupid Americans and their stupid removal of letters that should be there to make them seem less stupider than the rest of us?

It is interesting to note that across the nation there is a rise in political agendas favorable to homosexual groups. To my thinking, this lends credence to the notion that Obama’s election is the beginning of judgment.(Before someone jumps, this is not a doom and gloom statement, just an observation)

Marine_Bio on December 2, 2008 at 2:31 PM

I think you are quite right. The Old Testament records the judgements God gave to kings and nations. Why do we suppose we would be exempt?

Marine_Bio on December 2, 2008 at 2:41 PM

Stupid British and their stupid insertion of extra letters to make them seem less stupider than the rest of us.

This, incidentally, is the position British …

Blaise on December 2, 2008 at 2:15 PM

Pssst. *Whispers* this is a quote from a British paper

Hint:
foetuses = British spelling of fetuses.

Sorry. Had to.

if a moral price is to be paid for aborting a fetus, who pays?

dk on December 2, 2008 at 2:10 PM

This wasn’t clear from your earlier statement. The nation pays. It is not an unusual notion that justincase voiced:

I’m wondering if Obama’s election is God leaving us to choke on our own vomit. If it is we certainly deserve it.

This would be a judgment from a certain point of view. It is biblical to have the nation abandoned to their own depravity, and this is the interesting part… one of the most common signs of depravity is an embracing of homosexuality.

It is interesting to note that across the nation there is a rise in political agendas favorable to homosexual groups. To my thinking, this lends credence to the notion that Obama’s election is the beginning of judgment.(Before someone jumps, this is not a doom and gloom statement, just an observation)

“Pro Choice” is as semantically void as “Pro Life” – both are stupid labels, adopted by people with a need to thoughtlessly join a herd.

LimeyGeek on December 2, 2008 at 11:29 AM

Pro Choice is a euphamims for murder, semantically void or not.
signed/ Thoughtless Herd Joiner.

Re:

After all, people accept abortion for certain “social reasons”, and what more powerful “social reason” could there be for an abortion than the virtual certainty that the foetus would be condemned to a life of frustration, disappointment, dependence, serious illness and poverty, to the great sorrow and hardship of its family?

Then why not just kill them now? This is the point that is missed (or, more accuartely, ignored by the pro-choicers). To the opponents of abortion, a human being is killed when an abortion is committed. It matters not whether it is prenatal or post natal…it still kills a human. thus, morally, it is the same to kill after birth. So, if it is just looking too hard for them (is it really “them” you are thinking of?) just do them in now. This, incidentally, is the position British and, more and more, North America is moving towards. Late-term abortions? Okay. Abortion survivors? According to Pres. Obama, okay. Up to seven months after birth? According to some ethicists, okay.

Point 2

Re:

My point of view does not make me a heartless eugenicist.

Sorry. You don’t get to make this judgement. This is a judgement you are not permitted to make about yourself…others will decide.

These are ornery times.

justincase on December 2, 2008 at 2:08 PM

Amen to that ;)

Actually, I’m not insinuating an “original sin” scenario at all. My question is simple, if a moral price is to be paid for aborting a fetus, who pays?

Are you a materialist? Believe that only what has mass and location exists?

justincase on December 2, 2008 at 1:56 PM

I’m not any kind of “ist”

I’m an ornery git.

But Jeremiah Wright says he’s a Christian. Have to kill any God who doesn’t hate whites, but he’s a Christian… Sigh.

Being “Christian” these days has nothing to do with Jesus called Christ who was killed under Pontius Pilate. It’s basically the religion of “Get along now boys and girls”. Bleh.

LimeyGeek on December 2, 2008 at 1:49 PM

Don’t blame Christians for Obama. Every Christian I know sees through his bull.