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posted at 9:47 am on December 1, 2008 by Ed Morrissey
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That may sound like a football team, but it may better describe a State Department headed by Hillary Clinton with Samantha Power working as a liaison to Barack Obama.  According to reports, Obama will announce just that combination today, putting together his chief opponent over the last two years with an adviser who famously described her as a “monster”.  But which of the two present the bigger danger?

Samantha Power, the Harvard professor who was forced to resign from Barack Obama’s presidential campaign last spring after calling Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton “a monster,” is now advising the president-elect on transition matters relating to the State Department — which Clinton is slated to head.

Power is listed on Obama’s transition Web site as part of the team reviewing national security agencies. Her duties, according to the site, will be to “ensure that senior appointees have the information necessary to complete the confirmation process, lead their departments, and begin implementing signature policy initiatives immediately after they are sworn in.”

In short, she is part of a team that is likely to work directly with Clinton, a potentially awkward situation for the two women. Obama is expected to officially announce Clinton as his choice for secretary of state after the Thanksgiving holiday.

Earlier, I wrote that the Scowcroftian direction of Obama’s foreign-policy choices represented a change in direction from his campaign rhetoric, and a welcome development. Power’s inclusion on the team represents something very different, and a threat to Israel. Let’s recall Power’s ideas about Israel:

As I noted in early October, this clip has some remarkable insight into Power and her foreign-policy direction. First, she adopts the same conspiratorial thinking about the Jews in the US, as if we’d have no better reason to ally ourselves with a Western-style democracy in the Middle East.   Power then suggests that the West should stage a massive occupation of Israel to neutralize the IDF in favor of groups like Hamas as a policy to settle the Middle East conflict.

Sounds great … for the terrorists.

Obama didn’t kick Power off his team over these remarks.  He bounced her for calling Hillary a “monster”.  If Power gives any indication of Obama’s foreign policy direction, then Hillary won’t be the only one.


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She suggested that a peacekeeping force be stationed there, which would obviously necessitate the consent of the Israeli government and the cooperation of the IDF.

…at least criticize her for what she said and not what you imagine she said because you’re too lazy to pay attention.
alex342 on December 1, 2008 at 1:26 PM

Well, here’s what she said:

“investing billions of dollars not in servicing the Israelis’ military, but actually investing in the new state of Palestine. Investing billions of dollars, it will probably take also billions of dollars also to support…a mammoth protection forth…a meaningful military presence because it seems to me at this stage…it means that you have to go in as if you’re serious. You have to put something on the line, and unfortunately, imposition of a solution on unwilling parties is dreadful; I mean it’s a terrible thing to do; it’s fundamentally undemocratic, but…sadly we don’t just have a democracy here either, we have a liberal democracy…. and it’s essential that…some set of principles becomes the benchmark rather than a deference to people who are fundamentally politically destined to destroy the lives of their own people…both political leaders have been dreadfully irresponsible, and unfortunately it does require external intervention…and…any intervention is gonna come under fierce criticism, but we have to think about lesser evils, especially when the human stakes are just becoming ever more pronounced.”

“Imposition of a solution” with a “meaningful military presence” that’s “fundamentally undemocratic” and will “require external intervention” doesn’t sound at all like a “peacekeeping force” or anything that “would necessitate the consent of the Israeli government.”

It sounds like a fundamentally undemocratic imposition of a massive foreign military force without deference to the consent of either the Palis or Israel.

Nichevo on December 1, 2008 at 2:25 PM

but at least criticize her for what she said and not what you imagine she said because you’re too lazy to pay attention.

alex342 on December 1, 2008 at 1:26 PM

Think you better do a little reading yourself and realize this idiot is an anti-Semite…she would have not problem having Israel destroyed.
Don’t be “too lazy to pay attention” to what she stands for.
Read about what she said about the Jenin Massacre.

Power said in 2002, that if she were an advisor to the U.S. President she would recommend investing “billions of dollars, not in servicing Israel’s military, but actually investing in the new state of Palestine, in investing the billions of dollars it would probably take, also, to support what will have to be a mammoth protection force [in Palestine], not of the old Rwanda kind, but a meaningful military presence”, even though this may alienate “a domestic constituency of tremendous political and financial import”.

And she has no problem with Iran and the bomb:

The war scare that wasn’t [the recent incident between Iranian speedboats and the U.S. Navy in the Straight of Hormuz] stands as a metaphor for the incoherence of our policy toward Iran: the Bush Administration attempts to gin up international outrage by making a claim of imminent danger, only to be met with international eye rolling when the claim is disproved. Sound familiar? The speedboat episode bore an uncanny resemblance to the Administration’s allegations about the advanced state of Iran’s weapons program-allegations refuted in December by the National Intelligence Estimate.

Really, you should do more reading about Powers…you seem a little lazy to me.

right2bright on December 1, 2008 at 2:32 PM

Nichevo on December 1, 2008 at 2:25 PM

Thank you, apparently alex342 is too lazy to understand what was said…and too lazy to find out that what she said is backed up by years of thinking this way.

right2bright on December 1, 2008 at 2:34 PM

“even though this may alienate “a domestic constituency of tremendous political and financial import”.”

And don’t forget… this one’s got a license to carry, b*tch.

TexasJew on December 1, 2008 at 2:40 PM

right2bright on December 1, 2008 at 2:34 PM

I believe it’s called “selective hearing.”

Nichevo on December 1, 2008 at 2:41 PM

I know this is off topic…but geez you’d think she might pay a little more attention to her appearance. Call in the “What Not to Wear” crew stat.

KelliD on December 1, 2008 at 2:44 PM

Hmmmm…. interesting…

Hillary is interventionist as long as she is the one choosing who to support… supported Bosnia intervention, which turned out soooo well…

Powers? Interventionist… anti Israel.

Gen. Jim Jones? Interventionist… as NSA… who is a Palestinian supporter… supported and was commanding Bosnia intervention…

So, we are looking at three for three who seem willing to support Moslems, potentialy against even Israel.

Interesting…

Romeo13 on December 1, 2008 at 2:50 PM

So let’s summarize: she wants the American military to forceably invade Israel and protect Palestinian terrorists against their Jewish victims? And B. Hussein Obama says that’s OK. Two days after Mumbai. Hmmm.

Let’s all send this video to Drudge - that should be good for a headline!

TexasJew on December 1, 2008 at 2:54 PM

“Samantha Power: Journalist. Lawyer. Activist”

If that doesn’t make you reach for your gun, what will?

pseudonominus on December 1, 2008 at 10:13 AM

Ladies and Gentlemen, I believe we have a winner!

Jaibones on December 1, 2008 at 3:03 PM

Ummmm, I can make a terribly sexist remark but I won`t.

And Israel will do what it needs to do, even if we abandon it. Hopefully Powers will go all Jew-bashy and get bounced from the team.

ThePrez on December 1, 2008 at 3:10 PM

Let’s all send this video to Drudge - that should be good for a headline!

TexasJew on December 1, 2008 at 2:54 PM

developing…

labrat on December 1, 2008 at 3:11 PM

Barry got in through voter apathy, IMO, and not voter enthusiasm.

Limerick on December 1, 2008 at 10:56 AM

The end result is the same, no kidding.

Entelechy on December 1, 2008 at 3:18 PM

OK O—time to get rid of this gal!!Let her down softly but, for heavens sake, let her down. Even her body languge marks her as a know-it-all.

jeanie on December 1, 2008 at 3:20 PM

OK O—time to get rid of this gal!!Let her down softly but, for heavens sake, let her down. Even her body languge marks her as a know-it-all.

jeanie on December 1, 2008 at 3:20 PM

I believe he is running out of room to toss people under the bus.
He will have to appoint some of these to appease his far left buddies.

right2bright on December 1, 2008 at 3:31 PM

its a bad dream, and we’re just now drifting off to sleep…we’re so screwed.

johnnyU on December 1, 2008 at 3:36 PM

I look forward to 4 years of mocking and ridicule of the nuanced Metros of “Team Jello” at the White House and State Department.

james23 on December 1, 2008 at 3:37 PM

The Bible does say that in the end times, Israel will be attacked by a great power. Who’d have thought that was actually Samantha Powers.

keep the change on December 1, 2008 at 3:43 PM

The most dangerous man is a lesbian. Remember that.

keep the change on December 1, 2008 at 3:44 PM

“She’s a MAN baby, Yeah!!”

44Magnum on December 1, 2008 at 3:49 PM

“..room under the bus” LOL! But O’s self confidence level is such that he is more likely to get another bus in my opinion. Now that he is where he wanted to be, if I were the far left, I wouldn’t count on anything.

jeanie on December 1, 2008 at 3:50 PM

Maybe, just maybe, Hillary has intervened to leaven Obama’s FP.
Otherwise Israel should take out Iranian nuclear facilities, now.
Randy

williars on December 1, 2008 at 3:53 PM

I’d hit it.

Across the head with a 2 X 4, that is.

That is one homely and stupid woman creature.

UltimateBob on December 1, 2008 at 4:00 PM

Moonbat update: The Samantha Power blog, always refers to herself in the 3rd person,like a different person is “reporting” on all her accomplishments. I think i am going to puke as a result of reading this bullshit. This female fugly is going to be a cabinet member???

time to start digging my new fallout shelter

UNREPENTANT CONSERVATIVE CAPITOLIST on December 1, 2008 at 4:33 PM

Nichevo on December 1, 2008 at 2:25 PM

Whatever she may have meant, it wasn’t that an international military force take up position in Israel without the permission of the Israeli government. She is in fact an intelligent woman. I’m fairly certain she isn’t suggesting the US invade an ally and nuclear power.

You have to put something on the line, and unfortunately, imposition of a solution on unwilling parties is dreadful; I mean it’s a terrible thing to do; it’s fundamentally undemocratic, but…sadly we don’t just have a democracy here either, we have a liberal democracy…. and it’s essential that…some set of principles becomes the benchmark rather than a deference to people who are fundamentally politically destined to destroy the lives of their own people

Did it occur to you that she might be referring to the Palestinians here? I hardly think she’s suggesting that Israel is not a liberal democracy. I think she’s mangled her words a bit and isn’t being especially clear but that’s what I took away.

Try giving her the benefit of the doubt, I know she’s not a world-class scholar like Ann Coulter but what the hell.

alex342 on December 1, 2008 at 4:39 PM

Let me get this straight. The internal affairs of Iraq and Iran are none of our business. But we can and should rebuild Israel any way any bunch of college professors decides.

snaggletoothie on December 1, 2008 at 4:47 PM

alex342 on December 1, 2008 at 4:39 PM

Question, why give her the benefit of the doubt that she misspoke, or didn’t understand?

This will be our spokesman to other world governments… someone who misspeaks, or is not clear, will cause more harm than good.

Words, once spoken, have consequence. Other countries will NOT give them a free pass like their pet Main stream media does.

Romeo13 on December 1, 2008 at 4:52 PM

Well–all her arguments seem to forget that the Palestinians are going to look upon “imposition of a solution” as more than “dreadful” and her prescriptions fail to deal with anything like the realities of the situation. A very poor choice, this woman.

jeanie on December 1, 2008 at 5:28 PM

I think “Morons of State” is more appropriate.

This coming admin (assuming that our SCOTUS shows its utter spinelessness by not forcing BHO to produce the documents to show that he is actually COnstitutionally qualified to take the Oval Office) will be the largest concentration of idiocy ever seen in Washington (which is saying quite a bit). From the 14-year old who is playing President to the retards he will have surrounding him to the insane Congress with an average IQ of 83. It is going to be very ugly.

Democracy is the most vile form of government… democracies have ever been spectacles of turbulence and contention: have ever been found incompatible with personal security or the rights of property: and have in general been as short in their lives as they have been violent in their deaths.

James Madison

progressoverpeace on December 1, 2008 at 5:29 PM

alex342 on December 1, 2008 at 4:39 PM

She’s TOTALLY clear as to what she wants to do: stop funding Israel’s military and instead give the money to the Palestinians for “infrastructure” (re: guns and ammo), as well as putting in an American “protection force” against the will of the Israelis.
And as an aside, also “f**k the damn Jews”, as she indirectly (but clearly) stated.

How stupid are you?

TexasJew on December 1, 2008 at 5:32 PM

Power said in 2002, that if she were an advisor to the U.S. President she would recommend investing “billions of dollars, not in servicing Israel’s military, but actually investing in the new state of Palestine, in investing the billions of dollars it would probably take, also, to support what will have to be a mammoth protection force [in Palestine], not of the old Rwanda kind, but a meaningful military presence”, even though this may alienate “a domestic constituency of tremendous political and financial import”.

Did it occur to you that she might be referring to the Palestinians here? I hardly think she’s suggesting that Israel is not a liberal democracy. I think she’s mangled her words a bit and isn’t being especially clear but that’s what I took away.
alex342 on December 1, 2008 at 4:39 PM

Hey alex: “a domestic constituency of tremendous political and financial import” is code for the joooos.

Try giving her the benefit of the doubt,
alex342 on December 1, 2008 at 4:39 PM

No.

pseudonominus on December 1, 2008 at 5:33 PM

I can’t wait to see what these new fools at State, and the retard in Chief, do when Israel stops contemplating a Palestinian state and starts talking about annexing territories, instead? That’s the way things are starting to go in Israel, as they should have done a long, long time ago.

progressoverpeace on December 1, 2008 at 5:37 PM

Romeo13 on December 1, 2008 at 4:52 PM

Are you a Bush supporter? Because…

TexasJew on December 1, 2008 at 5:32 PM

I was referring to her comments about whom a settlement would be imposed upon. How could anyone put a protection force in Israel without Israel’s permission? How stupid are you?

alex342 on December 1, 2008 at 5:38 PM

pseudonominus on December 1, 2008 at 5:33 PM

Supporting a protection force might alienate AIPAC, which takes a particular stance on Israeli-Palestinian relations; that doesn’t mean action would be taken against the will of the Israeli government. I think she’s aware they have nuclear weapons and would go to war with us otherwise.

alex342 on December 1, 2008 at 5:41 PM

From her page on Wiki:

Power was born and raised in Ireland before emigrating to the United States in 1979.

Wiki lists her Nationality as:

Irish
American

So, is she a dual citizen?

pseudonominus on December 1, 2008 at 5:46 PM

I can’t wait to see what these new fools at State, and the retard in Chief, do when Israel stops contemplating a Palestinian state and starts talking about annexing territories, instead? That’s the way things are starting to go in Israel, as they should have done a long, long time ago.

progressoverpeace on December 1, 2008 at 5:37 PM

Amen to that. Israel should have claimed all conquered lands as their soverign territory, from the start.

pseudonominus on December 1, 2008 at 5:48 PM

Powers 4 ways to combat Genocide:

1. Knowledge: No matter what policy makers say, they almost always have a good take on massive repressions and slaughter.
2.Influence: Genocidal thugs take their cue on what they can get away from Western Leaders. If murders and terrorists think they can get away with their actions, they are more likely to do them.
3. Will: The USA and our political leaders often lack the will to combat genocide and are unwilling invest political and financial capital in stopping it.
4. Accountability: By this she means US politicians who prefer inaction as the safer course when dealing with genocide. In a word the sin of inaction is better then risking a war that might lower their poll numbers.

Seriously, does anyone think the democrats follow these concepts?

rob verdi on December 1, 2008 at 5:52 PM

Power on Susan Rice:

At an inter agency teleconference in late April, Susan Rice, a rising start on the NSC who worked under Richard Clarke, stunned a few of the officials present when she asked,”If we use the word genocide and are seen as doing nothing, what will be the effect on the mid-term election?

Pretty much sums up the Democrats.

rob verdi on December 1, 2008 at 5:54 PM

Amen to that. Israel should have claimed all conquered lands as their soverign territory, from the start.

pseudonominus on December 1, 2008 at 5:48 PM

Yep. Israelis are very slowly learning that errant gift-giving in a Western style does not fly in the middle east. Once Israel starts taking land (never to negotiate over it again) then the arabs will start calming down. Every time rockets and mortars come out of Gaza, a mile strip of Gaza needs to be annexed - never, ever, ever to be negotiated over or given away. That would stop the rocket fire faster and more completely than anything.

We’ll see how Isreal’s next elections go. There are more than a few who are talking annexation in Likud. Some sense is finally coming to Israel.

progressoverpeace on December 1, 2008 at 5:59 PM

How someone that claims to be so intelligent can make such scary statements is beyond me. Probably too much book learning and not enough time in the trenches. Ought to send her to Afghanistan and have her go out with the troops to get an idea what we are dealing with. A little OJT can go a long way in such matters.

DL13 on December 1, 2008 at 6:18 PM

Romeo13 on December 1, 2008 at 4:52 PM

Are you a Bush supporter? Because…

alex342 on December 1, 2008 at 5:38 PM

He’s done some good things… he’s done some bad things…

He did protect America for the last 7 years… IMO his heart is in the right place…

But he is not a fiscal consrvative… and he played fast and loose with some Constitutional protections.

Compasionate Conservatism is just the opposite of my viewpoint (bigger Gov, Social Agenda), and I am far from being a NeoCon….

But I voted for him twice because he was the least bad alternative…. and because once you start a war, you HAVE to win it…

Romeo13 on December 1, 2008 at 6:18 PM

“She’s a MAN baby, Yeah!!”

44Magnum on December 1, 2008 at 3:49 PM

I was looking at the size of her hands and wondering the same thing

wakey74 on December 1, 2008 at 6:54 PM

omg man hands and please do something with those eyebrows
red suit and black shirt good grief
is it me or is she saying blah blah blah?

lexa on December 1, 2008 at 6:54 PM

That chick is not a chick

that is Russell Crowe in drag

Sonosam on December 1, 2008 at 6:55 PM

gmta wakey74

lexa on December 1, 2008 at 7:00 PM

The war scare that wasn’t [the recent incident between Iranian speedboats and the U.S. Navy in the Straight of Hormuz] stands as a metaphor for the incoherence of our policy toward Iran: the Bush Administration attempts to gin up international outrage by making a claim of imminent danger, only to be met with international eye rolling when the claim is disproved. Sound familiar? The speedboat episode bore an uncanny resemblance to the Administration’s allegations about the advanced state of Iran’s weapons program-allegations refuted in December by the National Intelligence Estimate.

Typical liberal bullsh!t here.
The head of the Cia later came out and apologized for the inaccurate wording of this NIE that really only stated that
the easiest part of the three phases of Iran’s quest to building a bomb was further away(The warhead assembly I believe).
The IAEA also has a different take on the progress of Iran’s nuclear program:

IAEA Chief: Iran Could Make Nuke In 6 Months
CBS News Interactive: About Iran
http://wcbstv.com/national/israel.iran.attack.2.755478.html

DUBAI, United Arab Emirates (CBS) ― The head of the U.N. nuclear watchdog agency said Iran could create a nuclear weapon in six months.

IAEA chief Mohamed ElBaradei spoke on Al-Arabiya television on June 20, discussing Iran’s nuclear program, and the potential for the Middle Eastern country to produce a nuclear weapon.

“If Iran wants to turn to the production of nuclear weapons, it must leave the NPT, expel the IAEA inspectors, and then it would need at least, considering the number of centrifuges and the quantity of uranium Iran has…It would need at least six months to one year,” ElBaradei said.

The only “eye rolling”that should be going on is listening to another blowhard liberal being absolutely wrong about the dangers imposed on society by genocidal dictators.

The fact that these intellectuals were so wrong when they were telling everybody how the Iraq war could not be won,Sunni,Shia,and the kurds would never get along combined
with the fact that Iran will acquire a nuclear device under Obama’s watch and provide access of this device to the terrorist groups that they fund:

Iranian General: Tehran Arming ‘Liberation Armies’
Monday , October 27, 2008

TEHRAN, Iran
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,444179,00.html

Iran is supplying weapons to “liberation armies” in the Middle East, a top Revolutionary Guards commander said, offering the first official confirmation the country provides weapons to armed groups in the region.

should be more than enough proof that Obama’s “new foreign policy direction” is going to be a total disaster and the
“hope and change” that Ahmadinejad was hoping for.

Baxter Greene on December 1, 2008 at 7:13 PM

Baxter Greene,
the comments on Iran by Liberals are typical left wing bs.

rob verdi on December 1, 2008 at 7:31 PM

I looked at this post this morning and am just glancing at it again now and didn’t read all of the comments. All I will say is if you check the background of a lot of the Wind Bag in Chief’s appointments, he’s putting together a team of some pretty left-wing idealogues. Shall I say not of the mold of me and John Wayne, America lovers?

Jeff on December 1, 2008 at 7:49 PM

YOU WROTE:

the Scowcroftian direction of Obama’s foreign-policy choices represented a change in direction from his campaign rhetoric, and a welcome development.

THIS IS INSANE.

SCOWCROFTIANS ARE AWFUL:

ANTI-SURGE.

PRO-CHATTING WITH IRAN.

AND ANT-ISRAEL - THEY BELIEVE “THE ISRAEL LOBBY” IS WHY WE WENT TO WAR AGAINST SADDAM!!!!

THE COMBO OF POWER /CLINTON IS ALSO INSANE - INSANELY DEVILISH OF OBAMA.

AND STUPID OF HILLARY FOR TAKING THE JOB.

BUT NOT SURPRISIN: SHE STAYED WITH BILL.

AND ANOTHER THING:

SHE PROMISED US NY’ERS SHE’D BE OUR SENATOR.

THEN SHE DECIDED SHE’D RATHER BE PREZ.

NOW SHE’S BAILING ON US TO BE SEC O STATE!?!?!?

GEE. THANKS.

reliapundit on December 1, 2008 at 8:00 PM

Baxter Greene,
the comments on Iran by Liberals are typical left wing bs.

rob verdi on December 1, 2008 at 7:31 PM

True,but now they are in charge.
So instead of it just being coffee shop foreign policy,
it is going to end up getting a lot of people killed.

Baxter Greene on December 1, 2008 at 8:13 PM

Harvard educated Samantha Power:

“…Putting something on the line might mean alienating a domestic constituency of tremendous political and financial import; it may more crucially mean sacrificing — or investing, I think, more than sacrificing — billions of dollars,…”

Miss Teen South Carolina:

I personnaly believe that U.S. Americans are unable to do so because some people out there in our nation don’t have maps and I believe that our education like such as in South Africa and the Iraq, everywhere like such as and I believe that they should our education over here in the U.S. should help the U.S. or should help South Africa and should help the Iraq and the Asian countries so we will be able to build up our future.

Who makes more sense?

batterup on December 1, 2008 at 8:58 PM

Once Israel starts taking land (never to negotiate over it again) then the arabs will start calming down. Every time rockets and mortars come out of Gaza, a mile strip of Gaza needs to be annexed - never, ever, ever to be negotiated over or given away. That would stop the rocket fire faster and more completely than anything.
progressoverpeace on December 1, 2008 at 5:59 PM

At its core, Islam is a TERRITORIAL religion. There’s no gigantic difference between “fundamentalist” and “moderate” Muslims.

Liberals don’t understand, literally, the first thing about Islam. They mindlessly celebrate its ‘diversity’, but they don’t have a clue what that word means. They don’t understand that Islam is not the same as Christianity and Judaism. Muslims don’t have Ten Commandments. It’s an entirely different way of looking at the world. Islam is not about “right” and “wrong”; it’s about a means to an end.

Minor setbacks and PR glitches mean nothing. So-called “moderate” Muslims will NEVER do anything to stop their more adventuresome soul mates until they see that their actions are causing Islam to LOSE territory.

logis on December 1, 2008 at 9:32 PM

It sounds like a fundamentally undemocratic imposition of a massive foreign military force without deference to the consent of either the Palis or Israel.

Nichevo on December 1, 2008 at 2:25 PM

It ain’t gonna happen. Israel has NEVER (w the exception of the aftermath of the Hezbollah debacle in 06–thanks to bonehead Olmert) allowed peace-keeping forces to decide their destiny. Peace-keepers always stand facing the Israelis, with their backs the Arabs, making sure that Israel does not protect itself. This happened very early on in Israel’s existence, and they won’t go for it. Stupid college puke broad–she’s doing what these “smartest guy in the room” Ivy-league types always do–pontificating about somethings she knows bupkes about.

smellthecoffee on December 1, 2008 at 9:48 PM

At its core, Islam is a TERRITORIAL religion. There’s no gigantic difference between “fundamentalist” and “moderate” Muslims.

Yes. I try to explain this to libs by telling them that islam is the political ideology built to support an ever expanding land empire. It usually goes in one ear and out the other.

Liberals don’t understand, literally, the first thing about Islam. They mindlessly celebrate its ‘diversity’, but they don’t have a clue what that word means. They don’t understand that Islam is not the same as Christianity and Judaism. Muslims don’t have Ten Commandments. It’s an entirely different way of looking at the world. Islam is not about “right” and “wrong”; it’s about a means to an end.

This is a major point that so many ignore. I get incensed every time I hear someone talking about the “3 Abrahamic religions” and have to launch into an explanation that Judaism and Christianity are intimately connected while islam is just the result of plagiarism by Mo in order to insert himself into those already known religions to buy himself some instant credibility.

What gets me about islam - the real chutzpah of Mo - is that he not only stole from the Old and New Testaments, but then called Jews and Christians liars to explain the differences between his tales and the stories of the Old and New Testaments. So many Westerners are still surprised to hear what islam says about things - especially about the “lies” in the Old and New Testament.

The other (morbidly) funny thing that strikes me is how Westerners think that islam is referring to itself, Judaism, and Christianity when muslims talk about monotheistic religions. Too many Westerners (like almost all) still don’t understand that muslims consider nothing but islam to be monotheistic.

:sigh:

Minor setbacks and PR glitches mean nothing. So-called “moderate” Muslims will NEVER do anything to stop their more adventuresome soul mates until they see that their actions are causing Islam to LOSE territory.

logis on December 1, 2008 at 9:32 PM

Exactly.

progressoverpeace on December 1, 2008 at 9:55 PM

Progressoverpeace is probably correct in the main but few would agree.

And on logis’ comment:

Polls of “mainstream” Brit Muslims showed overwhelming support for radicals about a year ago. And I have heard several anecdotal reports of an attitude of ‘kill them all -just get away with it’ from most moslem groups around the world including in the US.

True? I don’t know.

IlikedAUH2O on December 1, 2008 at 10:45 PM

Below the Belt

There may be peace!

Didn’t Hillary used to have a lot a chicks who weren’t chicks around? And haven’t Muslims been nice to Bill lately?

Just sayin’.

IlikedAUH2O on December 1, 2008 at 10:48 PM

I try to explain this to libs by telling them that islam is the political ideology built to support an ever expanding land empire. It usually goes in one ear and out the other.
progressoverpeace on December 1, 2008 at 9:55 PM

Liberalism is secularism. They deny that they have beliefs; whatever they happen to believe from one moment to the next is “reality,” and everything that everyone else in the whole world believes is equal — to a giant pile of sh*t. Christianity, Islam, Scientology; it’s all just one huge blur to liberals.

But of course liberals have beliefs. Western liberalism is based on a stunted reflection of Judeo-Christian values, with all the spirituality sucked out - resulting in a bratty child’s version of the Ten Commandments: “Love everyone - except people who tell me to behave. Everyone should share all their toys - except me, etc… And as long as *I* do what feels right, then I will (somehow, magically) be rewarded in the end.”

Fascism and Communism spring from Islam’s prime COLLECTIVE tenet: “Any means is ‘good’ when it advances the goal of gaining land and subjects. We may feel like we’re living in Hell now; but once the entire globe is under a single yoke, the world will (somehow, magically) become a corporeal Paradise.”

What’s more, the love/hate relationship between these two utterly inimical world views isn’t a coincidence either. Islam’s institutionalization of Bedouin tribal raiding philosophy was created specifically to predate upon Judeo-Christian Samaritanism; and by exactly the same token, Communism was designed to parasitically exploit the openness inherent to free enterprise.

There’s nothing new under the sun. From the Crusades to Tripoli; through the World Wars and into the current bouts of terrorism… the same fight has been going on for over a thousand years now. There have been lulls, but no final victories.

logis on December 1, 2008 at 11:19 PM

Looked at the Justoneminute link provided in another thread by the captain which revealed Rice’s typical leftist hypocrisy when it comes to military force and passing the “global test”:

Susan Rice To The United Nations
http://justoneminute.typepad.com/main/2008/12/susan-rice-to-t.html

The Times tells us that Susan Rice will be the next Ambassador to the UN and highlights her opposition to some genocides:
Choice for U.N. Backs Strong Action Against Mass Killings

A TROUBLING UNILATERALISM: From her Times profile, Ms. Rice had interesting ideas on the importance of yet another UN resolution on Darfur:

In her own words: Testifying before the Senate Foreign Relations Committee on April 11, 2007, in favor of authorizing United States military action against Sudan if the genocide in Darfur continued:
…“Still others insist that, without the consent of the U.N. or a relevant regional body, we would be breaking international law. But the Security Council last year codified a new international norm prescribing ‘the responsibility to protect’” It commits U.N. members to decisive action, including enforcement, when peaceful measures fail to halt genocide or crimes against humanity.”

These liberals yelled and screamed that it was a mistake to take down a genocidal terrorist madman like Saddam because he posed no immanent threat,had not attacked America,and we had no approval from the UN,thus making it an “illegal war”.

But have no problem having their chicken hawk leader send troops into a country that poses no threat to America,has not attacked America,and no problem going without UN approval because somehow the genocide in Darfur is worse than the genocide and wars started by Saddam Hussein.

It is absolutely incredible that this passes for intelligence in liberal circles.

Baxter Greene on December 1, 2008 at 11:54 PM

Doug on December 1, 2008 at 10:03 AM

The One Drop Rule?

Akzed on December 1, 2008 at 10:23 AM

I’m not easily offended, Akzed, but you nearly got me there.
No one drop rule, no denigration of Jews intended-I was talking about the hypocrisy of HClinton. She invents a ‘discovered’ Jewish grandfather when seeking votes from predominately Jewish voters, but loses any possible Jewish identity when campaigning elsewhere.
See also: “I’ve always been a Yankees fan.”
I believe HClinton will be an international disaster as SecState. Which makes her a perfect fit for the Obama administration.

Doug on December 2, 2008 at 1:53 AM

WTF? what a sniveling weasel

Israel might as well take out Iran now, since after 1/21/09 they will disappear in a blaze of glory. Hey, all you folks in New York and Florida that voted for the One, hope you can live with what you have done.

billypaintbrush on December 2, 2008 at 5:22 AM

[Hillary Clinton] invents a ‘discovered’ Jewish grandfather when seeking votes from predominately Jewish voters, but loses any possible Jewish identity when campaigning elsewhere.
Doug on December 2, 2008 at 1:53 AM

In the Obama cabinet, that makes her the height of authenticity.

BTW, in all that scrambling around for a birth certificate, did anybody ever get around to thoroughly checking out Obama’s claim that he had a second uncle, once removed, on his mother’s side, who was actually in the US military?

I know the press has promised a few months “honeymoon” period for Obama (not counting the two years before the election.) But I find a lot of this stuff pretty hard to believe, and I hope we eventually get some answers.

logis on December 2, 2008 at 6:52 AM

The Israel-Palestine situation makes my head hurt. Any solution that doesn’t equal the destruction of Israel is unacceptable to Hamas. Hard to find much room to compromise there. And yet, if we don’t appear to be paying appropriate fealty to the sham “peace process,” then we get dinged for being insensitive to Palestinians.

The ‘liberal democracies” gave Arafat billions of dollars in the 1990s. Just like Ms. Power is suggesting. Throwing billions into a corrupt rat hole doesn’t usually work out so well, except that Arafat’s widow, now living in Paris, is probably happy to have absconded with much of the money intended to rebuild Palestine.

The problem is that the Dems have been out of power for so long that they have been allowed to indulge liberal fantasies without accountability for most of the past 25 years. After they learn (again) that appeasing Muslims doesn’t work, what then?

johnboy on December 2, 2008 at 8:08 AM

On the campaign trail, wasn’t Obama talking about dividing Jerusalem into three parts… until he walked away from such talk, to be flushed down the memory hole of the media?

onlineanalyst on December 2, 2008 at 8:34 AM

I blogged about this last night (http://www.WithBias.net) The more I find out about Ms. Powers the less I like her near the State Dept.

I’m also starting to think, the Clinton retreads are just cover for his real “appointees”. Those that Do Not need to go through the confirmation process…….

BiasedGirl on December 2, 2008 at 9:11 AM

Russell Crowe

Sonosam on December 2, 2008 at 9:32 AM

Noble Logis,

I thought The One’s maternal grandfather single handedly won WWII. All the bio says is that he was a Sergeant.

And the great uncle:

“Charles (Charlie) T. Payne (born 1925) served during World War II in the U.S. Army 89th Infantry Division. Obama has often described his Great Uncle Charlie’s role in liberating Buchenwald concentration camp. He was assistant director of The University of Chicago’s Library. There was a brief media controversy over an error made by Obama when he mistakenly said that his uncle had helped liberate Auschwitz concentration camp, when in fact he had helped liberate Buchenwald concentration camp.” — Credit to Topix on the web.

Interesting part is that the media can’t find any of these people, living or dead. Or where they died. Or where they were born in some cases!

IlikedAUH2O on December 2, 2008 at 9:50 AM

This is the guy Samantha Powers wants to arm with billions of American dollars.

Notice his reference to the genocidal hadith which discusses killing Jews. It’s the intrinsic Islamic Jew killing imperative nobody dares mention even when it rears its ugly head in places like Mumbai. Academics waste trillions of electrons and rainforests of paper to claim Europeans invented Jew hatred. Not quite, though some of then are really good at it, cough, Powers, cough…

Beagle on December 2, 2008 at 10:33 AM

Moreover, that’s the same hadith cited in the HAMAS Charter I linked previously. No hadith is more quoted from what I’ve seen.

Allah’s Apostle said, “The Hour will not be established until you fight with the Jews, and the stone behind which a Jew will be hiding will say. “O Muslim! There is a Jew hiding behind me, so kill him.”

“Jew” — not “Israeli” “western capitalist” or “European colonialist occupier.”

Note: you will NEVER see HAMAS’ repeated use of this hadith mentioned in the New York Times.

Beagle on December 2, 2008 at 10:53 AM

Interesting part is that the media can’t find any of these people, living or dead. Or where they died. Or where they were born in some cases!

IlikedAUH2O on December 2, 2008 at 9:50 AM

Methinks some of us amateur genealogists need to get crakin’.

Badger40 on December 2, 2008 at 2:23 PM

logis on December 1, 2008 at 11:19 PM

As I was reading your comment it was so eerily familiar - I could have written it, myself. The only difference would have been where you said, “Islam’s institutionalization of Bedouin tribal raiding philosophy”, I like to say, “Islam is the formalization of desert arab culture.”

Needless to say, I like the way you think, logis.

progressoverpeace on December 2, 2008 at 3:51 PM

So, how many Obama voters are ready to pronouce themselves to be the dumb asses they are for believing in hopenchange and still ending up with Clinton and the mainstream Dem machine? Change we can believe in, even if we cant see it.

MikeA on December 2, 2008 at 4:24 PM

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