Police want to identfy stampeders from Wal-Mart video

posted at 11:56 am on November 29, 2008 by Ed Morrissey

Police in Valley Stream have begun reviewing videotape from the Wal-Mart store in which an employee died as hundreds of people stampeded into the store.  They want to identify the people who trampled Jdimytai Damour to death, apparently with an eye towards prosecution, but that seems like an impossible task for a variety of reasons:

Police were reviewing video from surveillance cameras in an attempt to identify who trampled to death a Wal-Mart worker after a crowd of post-Thanksgiving shoppers burst through the doors at a suburban store and knocked him down.

Criminal charges were possible, but identifying individual shoppers in Friday’s video may prove difficult, said Detective Lt. Michael Fleming, a Nassau County police spokesman.

Other workers were trampled as they tried to rescue the man, and customers stepped over him and became irate when officials said the store was closing because of the death, police and witnesses said.

At least four other people, including a woman who was eight months pregnant, were taken to hospitals for observation or minor injuries. The store in Valley Stream on Long Island closed for several hours before reopening.

Police said about 2,000 people were gathered outside the Wal-Mart doors before its 5 a.m. opening at a mall about 20 miles east of Manhattan. The impatient crowd knocked the employee, identified by police as Jdimytai Damour, to the ground as he opened the doors, leaving a metal portion of the frame crumpled like an accordion.

The problem with mobs is that, in most cases, individual actions cannot get separated from those of the crowd itself.  In this case, even if the videotape could show the individuals who trampled Damour well enough to identify them, did they intend to trample him — or did they get shoved onto him by people behind them?  How does any one individual get assigned criminal intent beyond a reasonable doubt?

The reports yesterday show that Wal-Mart itself bears the bulk of the responsibility for the problem:

With 2,000 people responding to the ads for Black Friday before the doors opened, Wal-Mart should have had a significant, trained security presence on hand.  Rope lines should have been set up, instead of having people crushing up to the entrance.  Events like this need that kind of organization precisely because mobs act irrationally.

And what were the deals?  They didn’t look that significant, especially in light of what happened:

Items on sale at the Valley Stream Wal-Mart included a Samsung 50-inch Plasma HDTV for $798, a Bissel Compact Upright Vacuum for $28, a Samsung 10.2 megapixel digital camera for $69 and DVDs such as “The Incredible Hulk” for $9.

Two thousand people rushed the entrance of Wal-Mart for that?  Perhaps Wal-Mart got legitimately surprised by the response.

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I feel bad for the WalMart worker, but there’s a larger question…

Where’s all this money coming from?

Kini on November 29, 2008 at 12:24 PM

It’s obvious – since Obi Wan is going to be paying their mortgages and fuel bills, these people suddenly have TONS of disposable cash! What a great way to stimulate the economy!

See, and you guys all doubted the economic genius of the “empty suit”…. Who cares of a few innocent bystanders get flattened to death in the process. It’s all for the greater good.

/s

UltimateBob on November 29, 2008 at 4:02 PM

Let them tear each other apart.

HornetSting on November 29, 2008 at 3:37 PM

Sort of culling the herd?

thomasaur on November 29, 2008 at 4:02 PM

The whole thing’s a ruse. Isolate a problem worker, line him up, get your best seasonal deals plastered on Drudge’s front-page for three days amidst the madness.

That being the true, Rovian genius behind this; what’s up with the people refusing to stop SHOPPING? THAT’s what gets me beyond all this. A mob is one thing. Mob-stupid is another- but collectively these people said “f%#& YOU” to a guy they just killed in order to be in position to get a decent deal on a pair of tube socks.

I feel so much better about myself at this point. Bastid at times that I may be- least I’m not one of those who did such.

ChipDWood on November 29, 2008 at 4:05 PM

This is similar to the fate of the Tchoupitoulas Street Wal Mart in New Orleans after Hurricane Katrina. A MOB looted the store clean, even though there was no flooding near it. In both instances Wal Mart is a victim of a MOB.
The Wal Mart near my house on the outskirts of New Orleans had orderly CROWDS after Hurricane Katrina. The difference is the neighborhood and the people that inhabit the neighborhoods that surround each Wal Mart.

prkw on November 29, 2008 at 4:16 PM

With all those people pushing, to stop would be close to impossible. Of course, doesn’t stop people from going back and helping the injured after the stepped on someone.

Went pass a local store yesterday. Everyone was lined up a long the wall in 2-3s, with guard rails. I think Wal-Mart is going to get sued big time.

Blake on November 29, 2008 at 4:25 PM

Keemo on November 29, 2008 at 12:22 PM

Football score on a thread about people being trampled…off topic and tasteless. Two for two. Way to go, sporto. You know there’s a secret internet way of sending private messages without putting ‘private message’ in an open forum. It’s called email. Check it out. I hear it’s groovy cool.

As to Obama’s domestic security idea, I think it’s more of the loyalist brownshirt variety he’s hoping for, not the protect the innocent from frothing shopping looney variety.

austinnelly on November 29, 2008 at 4:28 PM

Plus the whole “no snitching” mentality won’t help.

Wal-Mart, schalmart: people should conduct themselves in a more civilized way, period.

It’s the culture, stupid.

fivefeetoffury on November 29, 2008 at 4:30 PM

Yeah, Wal-Mart is going to get sued, big time. I don’t think they are totally to blame for the savagery of the idiots in their lines, but that’s the way the smiley face ball bounces.

How long before some union whore tries to use this as an example of why Wal-Mart employees need the protection of the union Nazis…er… organizers.

Sugar Land on November 29, 2008 at 4:31 PM

The liberal entitlement culture at work.

diogenes on November 29, 2008 at 4:55 PM

I owned a private security company for a while… here’s my take:

Ed’s right. Walmart should have had adequate, trained security. I used to go through this every year with clients and warn them about these types of scenarios. Local law enforcement has nothing to do with it… it’s private property. ‘Till they’re called or someone dies, it’s up to Walmart. Some municipalities, however, do have ordinances that require police/ security for these types of events; though the language of the ordinances is always difficult. (Image your city telling you that you have to cough up $60/ hr. for a cop to stand outside your housewarming party at your new home). Yup, they will likely get sued unless they can demonstrate they they took sufficient measures to manage things… not likely, considering the circumstances. They own the property; they are liable… period. No different that if some idiot trips on your driveway while trying to sell you a vacuum or a burglar cuts themselves on broken glass while robbing your house. Let that be a lesson to you: never let liberals onto private property or they will find a way to sue you.

Personally, however, I agree with the opposing sentiment here. Sure, people will blame Walmart because they are and “eeeeevil corporation” and must be punished. What happened to the good ‘ol days when these animals would have been corralled, then hung in the parking lot at high noon.

Damiano on November 29, 2008 at 5:12 PM

What do you expect when you get a group of Obama supporters in one place?

BigAnge on November 29, 2008 at 5:22 PM

Oh they all got the cash through the bailout credit cards they won’t be able to pay back.

Now we can get ripped off even more at 20.99% until this all comes to a head again in about 6-9 months time when all THAT money dries up.

johnnyU on November 29, 2008 at 5:40 PM

What a senseless tragedy!

canopfor on November 29, 2008 at 5:42 PM

“With 2,000 people responding to the ads for Black Friday before the doors opened, Wal-Mart should have had a significant, trained security presence on hand. Rope lines should have been set up, instead of having people crushing up to the entrance. Events like this need that kind of organization precisely because mobs act irrationally.”

Ed,

You blame Wal-Mart? Aren’t people responsible for their own actions? How many of the thousands of stores nationwide had a “significant, trained security presence” when their doors opened at whatever ungodly hour? How many millions of people stood in line waiting for doors to open without trampling other shoppers or store employees?

This tragic incident is the result of each individual in “the mob” acting irresponsibly. The result was several trampled employees and one unfortunate death. The local authorities should do all that they can to indentify as many people as possible and to PROSECUTE those identified for their actions.

It’s not their fault is not the credo of a responsible society. Individual responsibility begins with the individual…

Gohawgs on November 29, 2008 at 5:53 PM

I blame MEN. Since when do MEN shop on black Friday or any other day of the year besides Christmas Eve, their females birthday or Valentines day?

We women did just fine on black Friday with an occasional broken ankle or torn jacket before MEN and their testosterone showed up at the door!

Bicyea on November 29, 2008 at 6:11 PM

I’m not usually the sue’em type, but Wal-Mart should have known better and planned accordingly. It only takes a few stupid people in the crowd to press from behind to create this deadly problem. Cincinnati open concert seating anyone?

Wal-Mart knows what to expect, and the deals are even called “door busters” because the stores know they are going to draw huge, excited crowds.

Laura in Maryland on November 29, 2008 at 6:16 PM

I expect nothing less from New Yorkers. Yeah…I’m calling them out for their rudeness and selfishness.

jediwebdude on November 29, 2008 at 6:20 PM

I blame MEN. Since when do MEN shop on black Friday or any other day of the year besides Christmas Eve, their females birthday or Valentines day?

We women did just fine on black Friday with an occasional broken ankle or torn jacket before MEN and their testosterone showed up at the door!

Bicyea on November 29, 2008 at 6:11 PM

Not all men. I took my husband ONCE. It was like watching an old episode of Wild Kingdom where the lions bear down on a herd of zebras and there is one confused animal looking around trying to figure out why everyone is bolting, and you know who ends up as dinner…my husband stood in front of a throng of frenzied shoppers scratching his head and asking, “do you think we need a cart”. God bless him, he almost got himself killed.

Laura in Maryland on November 29, 2008 at 6:23 PM

How stupid.

Anybody fingered as a perpetrator can simply say
1. they were unaware of the person in the way
2. they were running for their own life

They will never be able to prove anything.

A horrible tragedy. But it’s over.

Next.

Dave Rywall on November 29, 2008 at 6:38 PM

I have one question that I am having a hard time finding an answer to.

Who the heck came up with the idea of Black Friday to begin with?

Because for as long as I can remember, the way it worked was the day after Thanksgiving, the stores would all open at around 8AM and while there would be modest deals and bargains, there would be nothing that the major price slashing guaranteed to draw humongous crowds.

As best as I can determine, this Black Friday idiocy just started a few years ago and ever since then, it has gotten worst with each passing year.

The difference between the stores opening back then at 8AM and the madness we have now is back then, to the best of my knowledge, no one got trampled to death when the stores opened at 8AM.

pilamaye on November 29, 2008 at 7:01 PM

Its all about making a buck on xmas. I wouldnt mind knowing whos’ idiotic idea it is to have new movies start on xmas day?

johnnyU on November 29, 2008 at 8:22 PM

Know thine enemy clientele.

OldEnglish on November 29, 2008 at 8:35 PM

A terrible tragedy. My friend was waiting in line for the a Wal-Mart to open in southwest OH. The police came and made people form a line. The store manager came out after the police left and asked why there was a line. Some people explained the police formed the line. The store manager said “We aren’t doing it that way. We don’t do lines. When the doors open, if your hands are on the item, it’s yours.” Wal-Mart does indeed bear a great deal of responsibility for this tragedy.

cmw2204 on November 29, 2008 at 10:17 PM

I was at the Wal-Mart here shortly after 5 a.m. on Friday. The parking lot was jammed, the place was swarming with shoppers, but by and large, people were under control. Of course it’s a supercenter, so it’s open all night. People were circling the store like vultures for 6 hours beforehand, they weren’t waiting outside for the doors to open. However, I did find it interesting that there were a couple of sheriff’s deputies on loan in the electronics department, ostensibly there to keep an eye on things and make sure no one got out of hand.

It would seem the need for security is left up to individual stores to determine and not something mandated by the home office. An error in judgment on their part, perhaps, but this is a company with 4,000 stores worldwide and heretofore never any incidents like this one that I am aware of. So I’m not sure whether they could have foreseen this happening or not. The fact that the door was broken off the hinges would seem to indicate the people at the front of the line themselves were being crushed by the throngs behind them.

It’s really too bad that now EVERY single Wal-Mart store will have to come up with trained security from now on simply because a few animals in New York couldn’t manage to control themselves.

NoLeftTurn on November 29, 2008 at 10:47 PM

This is similar to the fate of the Tchoupitoulas Street Wal Mart in New Orleans after Hurricane Katrina. A MOB looted the store clean, even though there was no flooding near it. In both instances Wal Mart is a victim of a MOB.
The Wal Mart near my house on the outskirts of New Orleans had orderly CROWDS after Hurricane Katrina. The difference is the neighborhood and the people that inhabit the neighborhoods that surround each Wal Mart.

prkw on November 29, 2008 at 4:16 PM

Some of those looting the Wal Marts in NO after Katrina were cops. How sad is that.

Glynn on November 29, 2008 at 11:18 PM

how exactly would trained security personnel stopped this crazy crowd? would they have tear gas, tasers and FN303′s?

The sad thing is that a guy died and a woman lost her baby so someone could save a few bucks on an incredible hulk DVD. Then rather than feel bad about acting so crazy and causing two tragedies… they get pissed because the store closed.

What is wrong with these people when they value a cheap TV over someone’s life?

BadBrad on November 29, 2008 at 11:28 PM

Put the blame where it belongs. On the mob.

Johan Klaus on November 30, 2008 at 12:09 AM

Let’s just call off the whole Christmas thing. It’s not worth this. It’s no longer a celebration of anything.

Last is First on November 30, 2008 at 12:24 AM

You want to explain that to this man’s family, Angela. Better yet, let’s just fire all of the police and federal agents and give criminals a harsh look when the commit crime. That should take care of the problem. Yeah.

Give it up. The Amish better people than most of us. I lived in Indiana when a drunk driver plowed down some Amish kids walking along the road. They forgave the driver, didn’t sue anybody, and said that sometimes bad things just happened.

The problem was solved in Cincinnati for many years by banning festival seating, but I think they even eventually repealed that law.

This is a tragedy, but demanding more blood isn’t going to bring the dead guy back.

angelat0763 on November 30, 2008 at 12:38 AM

This tragic incident is the result of each individual in “the mob” acting irresponsibly. The result was several trampled employees and one unfortunate death. The local authorities should do all that they can to indentify as many people as possible and to PROSECUTE those identified for their actions.

It’s not their fault is not the credo of a responsible society. Individual responsibility begins with the individual…

Except the people in the back to the horde can’t see so they push forward. The people in front have no choice except to move forward. I’ll bet that hardly anybody there even saw the guy on the ground because the crowd was so dense.

angelat0763 on November 30, 2008 at 12:40 AM

Except the people in the back to the horde can’t see so they push forward. The people in front have no choice except to move forward. I’ll bet that hardly anybody there even saw the guy on the ground because the crowd was so dense.

angelat0763 on November 30, 2008 at 12:40 AM

Why do the people in the back have to see? I am not going to make excuses for these people. A lot of them refused to leave the store when told it was closing down. Brietbart has video from a cell phone of the poor man being resuscitated while people are watching and some are actually laughing. No, no excuses for these people, sorry. Black Friday occurred all over the country, mostly without incident. Someone saw him go down. He was not a small man. And someone saw his coworkers trying to get to him. But those someones just kept going. The police chief said it took several minutes to get to the man because the crowd would not disperse. When the officers moved in to help, they were jostled around, as well. There simply is no excuse.

Glynn on November 30, 2008 at 12:59 AM

Some cultures are civilized. Others, less so.

TheCulturalist on November 30, 2008 at 1:25 AM

What would deputy sheriffs have done, even if they had been hired? Start shooting? At what? Directly into the crowd? *laughing* Sorry. The idea is just ludicrous.

Victim had a funny name. Wonder if he was a newbie immigrant from the desert somewhere and didn’t know any better.

NahnCee on November 30, 2008 at 1:38 AM

The liberal would say we have found the stomper and he is all of us

We must all do penance

Black Friday sales help create the mob instict because everyone knows the stores only carry a small quantity of the really good sale items. The excitement of the winners transforms the crowd just like someone hitting the jackpot at a slot machine

If there were enough big screen tv’s for everyone, there would be no mob and people might stop shopping and go home

entagor on November 30, 2008 at 2:29 AM

I really hope that this is not an omen of things to come.

OldEnglish on November 30, 2008 at 3:50 AM

Not a joke. Now-showing: Walmart TV ad.

I just saw it on US TV a few hours ago.

Shy Guy on November 30, 2008 at 6:33 AM

How long before some union whore tries to use this as an example of why Wal-Mart employees need the protection of the union organizers.

At least they’d have been able to have adequate security at every location without having to ask for Bentonville’s blessing.

No, I’m not union, but of a state that believes that hassling labor unions only makes more problems. Another part of it is that certain laws common in the South are believed to tilt the balance away from workers of all types.

Explain the thuggery on the part of unionbusters who don’t threaten individual people, but threaten entire towns.

In the meantime, chew on this:
Show any thought of support? You’re a target for intimidation and closer scrutiny of your work habits. You succeed in a contract? They negotiate in bad faith, then close the store when they lose. The workplace has well over 50% support? Flood the place with known no-voters to tilt the balance. Unable to determine the sentiment of the voters? Start a betting pool, and effectively turn the “secret ballot” into a “secret if you vote no” ballot. About to lose to the unions, but employ most in the town? Use a battle of attrition to kill off the town and blame the unions. Inspired by Colorado’s Pinkertons and Ford’s security forces of the past, but afraid to commit to violence? No problem, just hire a firm like Vance International as an agent provocateur; get the unions to commit the act.

sethstorm on November 30, 2008 at 7:50 AM

Two thousand people rushed the entrance of Wal-Mart for that?

The US is becoming a third world nation, expect more events like this.

peacenprosperity on November 30, 2008 at 7:53 AM

Funny how Mob Rule and Communism are so very similar. The Mob/Party is in control, individuals need not worry, the Mob/Party will do what it must.

BKennedy on November 30, 2008 at 7:56 AM

The liberal entitlement culture at work.

diogenes on November 29, 2008 at 4:55 PM

Indeed, indeed.

Too bad Wal Mart has to deal with this! It is dreadful how materialistic we are…

Aronne on November 30, 2008 at 8:48 AM

Just another reason to hate what this holiday has become. This will be another year where I just can’t wait until the last decoration comes down, and they aren’t even all up yet.
Literally makes me sick.

johnnyU on November 30, 2008 at 9:18 AM

This is not the fault of Wal-mart, Black Friday or Christmas…Dear lord, some of you sound like Liberals. This is solely the responsibility of those that participated in the Mob “Trampling” or watched it happen and did nothing. The Sin is theirs alone. They may not be ‘caught’ by the Police, but they will have to answer to a Higher Judgement someday……

BiasedGirl on November 30, 2008 at 9:37 AM

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America needs to use this incident as an incentive to take a step back and look at how we view Christmas. Maybe some good can come out of this poor man’s death.

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Jamson64 on November 30, 2008 at 12:07 PM

Bush told people to go shopping after 9/11. No, I am not blaming Bush for this. But Bush’s post-911 statement is so indicative of what is wrong with this country. Buy buy buy and then when you’re done go buy some more.

In response to the current financial “crisis”, what is the response from the government? Is it hey let’s get our fiscal house in order? No it is let’s make it easier for people to spend by providing a never ending supply of cheap money for cars and TVs. God forbid someone should have to go a week without access to yet another $5000 credit card offer in the mail!

So why the hell is anyone surprised that a mob of people would kill someone while shopping? The mases are only doing what their leaders have been telling them to do for years.

angryed on November 30, 2008 at 1:19 PM

A horrible tragedy. But it’s over.

Next.

Dave Rywall on November 29, 2008 at 6:38 PM

Ah. The heartfelt compassion of the Left in all it’s splendid glory.

Guardian on November 30, 2008 at 2:41 PM

Ooh, I wouldn’t risk pissing off the Incredible Hulk.

corona on November 30, 2008 at 3:35 PM

All of the Wal Mart stores by me had private security and/or local PD on hand to manage the crowds.

southsideironworks on November 30, 2008 at 5:08 PM

4 million mob going to the inauguration. That ought to be interesting.

gringo69 on November 30, 2008 at 7:03 PM

I think oftentimes Wal-mart gets a bad rap because the left so loathes the fact that the nation’s single largest employer has managed to stay non-union. Nevermind that their IT systems were cutting edge in warehousing to retailing, they operate a significant logisitics operation, and (for better or worse) allowed the forgotten parts of America to get a a selection of goods more cheaply. So long as all that part time labor isn’t under the union banner, Wal-mart will never be accepted by the left and the minute it does go union, the company will be destroyed.
That being said, there’s something fundamentally wrong that the store was checking people out while a crime scene was being investigated at the entrance.

Somebody from my Sunday School class related his Black Friday Wal-mart experience. The staffers rolled a pallet of 2G IPODS (which is essentially crappy low-tech technology in 2008) Not completely obsolete but only a bargain if they were priced to get them off the shelves and their intended user is less then ten-years old. Anyway, the “shoppers” descended on the pallet to the point that the security that accompanied the workers were keeping people away long enough that the swarm didn’t do bodily harm to the staff.

There is just something wrong with this mentality. It’s going to be much worse under the Obama regime when it’s food or fuel that Americans are lining up at 3AM to ensure they get something before it is all gone. They are expecting millions for the bastard’s inauguration- wonder how on earth they are going to keep crowd control without it appearing that electing Obama means a totalitarian police state?

highhopes on November 30, 2008 at 8:21 PM

All of the Wal Mart stores by me had private security and/or local PD on hand to manage the crowds.

Mine’s got cops. Apparently a couple years ago, people got into a fistfight over a $35.00 DVD player. Yeah. I haven’t gone shopping on Black friday for a couple of years because I’m scared of the people who do shop crazy on that day. I don’t think I’ll do it again for a while.

A horrible tragedy. But it’s over.

Next.

Dave Rywall on November 29, 2008 at 6:38 PM

Wow, just wow. What’s your reaction to the terror attacks in India? “Oh, well, where’s the chicken?”

That’s just disturbing.

mjk on November 30, 2008 at 9:31 PM

Animals. Effing animals.
How many people do you think will be killed during the inauguration?
I say, 3 stabbed, 1 shot.

Geronimo on November 30, 2008 at 9:31 PM

How many people do you think will be killed during the inauguration?
I say, 3 stabbed, 1 shot.

Geronimo on November 30, 2008 at 9:31 PM

Oh! far more than that. Yes we can!

Seriously any huge gathering is a nightmare for security. Throw in the fact that the inagural crowds have never been forced to be screened in any meaningful way. Bastard has a PR nightmare on his hands and I couldn’t be happier. If the bastard decides to make it all about screening and metal detectors, he affirms the belief that he will create a police state and it will be seconds after taking office that private gun ownership in America will be over. Bastard doesn’t do anything and any incidents from terrorists or the thugs that put bastard in office will be the story as the Obama thugs rob, rape, or even kill (compare to Marion Barry’s second time as Mayor of DC). It’s a lose/lose situation and the larger the crowd the more likely the Obama administration will start out with bastard having to explain away bloodshed or even death at a time we were lead to believe the world would suddenly be unicorns and lollipops.

highhopes on November 30, 2008 at 10:12 PM

This is just like the ‘festival seating’ concert tickets back in the ’70s and ’80s when people died in the same manner.

You have a couple of thousand people trying to get in the same doorway, and the surge that is created by the people in the line basically push the people in front – the people that trampled on the poor guy more than likely didn’t have a choice. They were pushed by the huge crowd forward. Even if they wanted to help, I highly doubt they could’ve done anything about it.

The responsibility in this case lies totally on Wal-Marts hands. Once they saw a crowd of that size outside their doors, they should’ve contacted the authorities.

I’m sure they’ll learn their lesson this time, but is unfortunate that somebody had to die in order for that to happen.

RedbonePro on December 1, 2008 at 1:38 AM

Not a joke. Now-showing: Walmart TV ad.

Those can’t be Wal-Mart employees – they’re actually enthused about working there.

(yes, I know it’s a commercial, but…)

sethstorm on December 1, 2008 at 4:15 AM

All the Wally World execs should be charged with inciting a riot and involuntary manslaughter.
They created the hazardous situation which resulted in death and injuries.

riverrat10k on December 1, 2008 at 8:33 AM

Those can’t be Wal-Mart employees – they’re actually enthused about working there.

(yes, I know it’s a commercial, but…)

sethstorm on December 1, 2008 at 4:15 AM

My daughter worked at one in SW ND. She was paid $10.10/hr as a cashier. She was the best one they had at the time. So they abused her by working her to death. Even when she was hired & said she could only work certain hours bcs of college, they still scheduled her for hours she wasn’t available & she had to constantly tell them no.
They promised to move her to electronics where she really wanted to be-she never got there bcs she was the fastest & best cashier. The slackers got the choice work, the hard workers got screwed.
They hired lazy, stupid people bcs that was all they could get. In ND, they are desperate for workers bcs of the oilfields, but they don’t pay them squat.
The shoppers in Walmart can also be nasty. Walmart lets shoppers get away with crap bcs they don’t want to offend anyone-they let shoppers treat their associates like crap.
That said- my Black Friday experience in Bismarck was just fine. Everyone was polite & nice & there was no impatience or rudeness.
I went with my 3 teenage daughters & 1 tween daughter. The deals really weren’t that great, but we had fun together in the big city (we are really far from the big city).

Badger40 on December 1, 2008 at 2:11 PM

Is this the reason they call it “black Friday”?

right2bright on December 1, 2008 at 3:16 PM

Good God, the majority of you sound like the ambulance-chasing, corporate-hating, responsibility-eschewing left wing that some of you SAY you hate.

Perhaps we should assign some personal responsibility to the animals who stampeded this poor man. The folks who led the charge, who didn’t have any sort of honor, who were only looking out for themselves.

300,000,000 people in the country. 4,100 Walmart facilities. A large number of them participated in “Black Friday” sales, and only one person was trampled by a mob of unruly animals, at one Walmart.

How is it that the people at the other 4,099 Walmart stores seemed to be able to handle themselves as civilized human beings?

Hold people to a standard and they’ll surprise you. Hold them to the lowest common denominator and they’ll disappoint you.

webproze on December 1, 2008 at 3:51 PM

Christmas is such a pagan holiday, and this proves it. What I really find amazing is that the secular progressives want to shut it down. Perhaps underneath all the glitz of silver bells, red and green bows, and tinsel, there is a reference to Jesus Christ there somewhere. But I stopped “celebrating” the pagan ritual of Christmas last year and I haven’t looked back. I’ll pray for this man who lost his life for an upright vacuum and his family instead.

long_cat on December 1, 2008 at 6:58 PM

this is ridiculous…they should all face chargers…how do u kill someone just to get 20% off on some DVDs? What kind of country have we become? And any woman that would show up their 8 months pregnant shouldnt be a mother….she is an idiot.

Conservator23 on December 1, 2008 at 6:58 PM

Sue Wal-Mart. It’s Wal-Mart’s fault for advertising such low prices.

Nonsense!

Let’s put the blame on the tramplers, where it belongs. Wal-Mart should be held to the usual legal standard of care with respect to business invitees. No more, no less.

Every effort should be made to throw the tramplers in jail. Even if it’s nearly impossible to identify them, that’s no justification for attaching extra blame or liability to Wal-Mart.

petefrt on December 2, 2008 at 9:01 AM

All the Wally World execs should be charged with inciting a riot and involuntary manslaughter.
They created the hazardous situation which resulted in death and injuries.

riverrat10k on December 1, 2008 at 8:33 AM

This is sarcasm, of course?

petefrt on December 2, 2008 at 9:05 AM

How is it that the people at the other 4,099 Walmart stores seemed to be able to handle themselves as civilized human beings?

webproze on December 1, 2008 at 3:51 PM

We could charge Wal-Mart with inciting a riot, and sue Santa Claus and Jesus for their complicity.

petefrt on December 2, 2008 at 9:08 AM

This was enrirely the fault of the store and it’s inept manager. No security detail outside with 2,000 people waiting to get in ???? If I was related to that dead man who got trampled I’d sue Walmart for at least 200 million $$$$$!!!!!!!!!!! Without secirity of some sort outside this was bound to happen.

LODGE4 on December 2, 2008 at 9:55 AM

How is this Walmart’s fault? The crowd rioted, they ripped the doors off the hinges, the stampeded over the employees trying to hold them off. If you can’t hold the crowd responsible, then aren’t you encouraging this kind of animal behavior? Heck.. i’ll go to my nearest Walmart and riot next year, maybe i’ll get a nice lawsuit out of it.

tflst5 on December 2, 2008 at 11:17 AM

I assume that New York has worker’s compensation laws? Those usually preempt lawsuits for death and injury against the employer.

Attempts to blame WalMart are misplaced and blaming the victim instead of the actor. And WalMart is a victim in this case as well.

And for anyone who thinks that WalMart is a bad place to work, DON’T WORK THERE!. WalMart will either find people who like working there, improve conditions to make it a better place to work, or utimately fail. That is how markets work.

MTinMN on December 3, 2008 at 11:48 AM

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