Zogby on 2012: Palin leads among Republicans, Romney leads among all voters
posted at 4:30 pm on November 28, 2008 by Allahpundit
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Check that: Romney barely leads among all voters, within the margin of error. But here’s evidence, in case more was needed, of how sharply conservatives’ view of the ‘Cuda diverges from America’s. Among Republicans, it’s Palin 24.4, Mitt 18.1, Jindal 15.6; among everyone, Mitt 13.7, Palin 13.4, Jindal 12.5.
What happened to Huck, who was in the thick of things when Gallup recently asked a similar question? Palin happened to Huck:
Among Republicans, she gets the support of 30% of Born-Again Christians, 32% of weekly churchgoers, 34% of National Rifle Association members, 28% of current gun owners and 29% of self-identified conservatives. More GOP support comes from 32% of blue collar workers, 30% who shop weekly at Wal-Mart, 28% of NASCAR fans and 25% of both those with children under 17 and those with family members in the military…
Palin looks to be stealing Huckabee’s thunder among Republican religious conservatives and working class voters. Huckabee is an ordained Southern Baptist minister, and his highest GOP totals still come from Born-Again Christians (15%) and weekly churchgoers (18%), but those numbers are about half of those drawn by Palin. Despite his populist economic message, he wins only 10% of blue collar Republicans.
There’s your explanation for why he’s been taking shots at her lately, in case it wasn’t already clear. Interesting to see Jindal’s numbers so high, though, given how comparatively low his profile is and how poorly he fared in the Gallup poll. As another young rock-star “future of the party” governor, I wonder if he isn’t peeling votes away from Palin among people who’ve soured on her for whatever reason. Exit invitation: Go ahead and tell me that the only reason she polls so much lower among all voters is because Democrats fear her. You know you want to.
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Look at
poor Scranton Joe tearing up here. Gosh darn, it just breaks my heart. Like John Edwards poor son begging him before he died, “Please Dad. Run for President again. It’s OK if you cheat on mom while she battles cancer.”
What kind of heartless person would SMIRK while a politician exploits their misfortune during an election?!!
chunderroad on November 29, 2008 at 1:47 AM
http://bittenandbound.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/10/joe-biden-wipes-away-a-tear.jpg
chunderroad on November 29, 2008 at 1:48 AM
“Zombie Reagan 2012! Because the GOP refuses to move into the 21st century!”
Noneya on November 29, 2008 at 1:48 AM
Exit Question : Who will end with a restraining order against them first?
benny the dunce or Shelby the clown?
I report.. you decide..
An Era of Hate on November 29, 2008 at 1:49 AM
I guess HuffPo got weary of your ongoing outcries, huh?
Palin is not as OLD as Reagan and thus, hasn’t accrued as much experience in life as Reagan, for sheer calendar terms.
Reagan, also, was not supported nor supportable due to his acting career. He literally and only had more living under his belt when elected than Palin for sheer length of his years lived versus hers.
Your terms for denigrating Palin make no more sense now than they did at the outset.
S on November 29, 2008 at 1:49 AM
Michael Reagan – Welcome Back Dad – Sarah Palin Alert
Welcome Back Dad
By Michael Reagan September 4, 2008
I’ve been trying to convince my fellow conservatives that they have been wasting their time in a fruitless quest for a new Ronald Reagan to emerge and lead our party and our nation. I insisted that we’d never see his like again because he was one of a kind.
I was wrong!
Wednesday night I watched the Republican National Convention on television and there, before my very eyes, I saw my Dad reborn; only this time he’s a she.
And what a she!
In one blockbuster of a speech, Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin resurrected my Dad’s indomitable spirit and sent it soaring above the convention center, shooting shock waves through the cynical media’s assigned spaces and electrifying the huge audience with the kind of inspiring rhetoric we haven’t heard since my Dad left the scene.
This was Ronald Reagan at his best — the same Ronald Reagan who made the address known now solely as “The Speech,” which during the Goldwater campaign set the tone and the agenda for the rebirth of the traditional conservative movement that later sent him to the White House for eight years and revived the moribund GOP.
chunderroad on November 29, 2008 at 1:51 AM
Shelby on November 29, 2008 at 1:52 AM
AND, Poptech, we among the GOP votesr are not going to be electing Ronald Reagan again — he is deceased, ‘case you have not noticed, he served his Presidency, he lived his life, both are now over — we are interested in gathering concerted support for ANOTHER, new President.
Thus, we can compare upcoming GOP candidates to past Presidents, fine to do so, but it’s irrational to suggest or even expect them to be identical.
I appreciate, instead, the new characteristics about the new candidates. It’s a failing of the Left to continue to dig up old Presidents and try to stand them up as twins to the present.
I think the Right allows the past ones to rest in peace, as they deserve to do. I’m not into electing the dead.
S on November 29, 2008 at 1:52 AM
They must be like gremlins and multiply when you get them wet.
chunderroad on November 29, 2008 at 1:53 AM
Excuse me while I throw up.
chunderroad on November 29, 2008 at 1:54 AM
I suggest you wear all black when you visit your doctor. It would give him or her a visual shorthand as to your frame of mind.
S on November 29, 2008 at 1:54 AM
Hahaha. Though I suspect the wet is probably pretty scary to them, all that water, being clean, washing away residue, starting all over, things like that.
S on November 29, 2008 at 1:55 AM
Simple Sarah’s degree (the one that took her 6 years to get!) is in journalism. So she knows how to speak. So what?! We like our presidents to have BRAINS!
Shelby on November 29, 2008 at 1:55 AM
Show me the money.
No more words. Acts are all that count. Give me an Obama in a red robe and I’ll give you a blank ballot.
Sarah, Mitt, Jack-frakkin-Daniels, get away from the microphone and put something on paper for the folks to vote for.
Limerick on November 29, 2008 at 1:56 AM
The first thing Palin did upon entering the stage was blow a kiss to the audience, then greet Biden, saying, “Nice to meetcha. Hey, can I call ya Joe?” She was colloquial. She was charming. She took control, and except for a brief moment when a teary-eyed Biden recalled his wife’s death and the experience of being a single parent, she never lost it. When Biden sighed, Palin smiled. He jutted his jaw forward in frustration; she smirked. He furrowed his brow; she winked.
chunderroad on November 29, 2008 at 1:56 AM
This is one instance where someone really, really needs drugs. Call a doctor, get evaluated, take what he/she prescribes, get yourself sane for a while.
S on November 29, 2008 at 1:56 AM
Do you live in Alaska? Are you related to Simple Sarah? I’m seeing some similarities…
Shelby on November 29, 2008 at 1:58 AM
Right. And, you know, Palin in all her “state college and university” experiences, was never booted out of school (any school) for academic dishonesty.
BUT JOE BIDEN WAS. Biden committed plagiarism, was confronted for doing so, was expelled from college accordingly.
Joe the Plagiarist. “Jumpin’ Joe” the Plagiarist.
S on November 29, 2008 at 1:58 AM
Most people who pay their own way through school and raise a young family (1) accept scholarships such as beauty pageants and basketball (2) take more than four years.
I would be impressed by Obama’s high school and college transcripts if he (1) released them (2) did anything since.
chunderroad on November 29, 2008 at 1:59 AM
I bet you have issues as to your appearance.
S on November 29, 2008 at 1:59 AM
So what stopped you?
Limerick on November 29, 2008 at 2:00 AM
I was not for Palin when her name came up. However, she is a formidable candidate when she controls the message.
In this election, after the convention, the Palin image was suppressed by McCain and shaped by the MSM
Yes it was suppressed. She was used for arena events, but not for television ads. Her absence from the national spots was a vote of no confidence she did not deserve. It was no credit to the McCain team they decided to pretend she was not there because it made MCain look stupid
If Palin was running her own campaign she would have a very different image and poll results, very quickly.
For instance, her immediate desire to act and go to Michigan to say the State should not be counted out is pure Palin, and the opposite of McCain. Had she gone on her own to Michigan (which she could not do as VP candidate) she would have caused a sensation and garned tons of press which would have strengthened her image even if she did not win the State.
Similarly, Romney was shut out by the other GOP primary candidates, who joined the press to deride him as a wierdo. In fact he is extremely personable just like Palin, and has the ability to give confidence to his listeners. He empowers people with his optimistic logic.
Romney also has the instinct to move agressively to connect with people and not just follow caution flags. It did not take a lot for him to make a big impression in Michigan during the primaries where he was the only candidate who saw a future for American manufacturing.
With both Palin and Romney, it was the attacks from the RINO express that served to weaken public understanding of these two candidates, since it seemed their own party big shots did not like them.
That is a problem that ended when McCain crashed. Palin and Romney gained by being the two the RINOs hate most
If they move into the next election, these two candidates will not let the RINOs get the upper hand again
entagor on November 29, 2008 at 2:03 AM
Let’s see how Roger Ebert weighed in on the debate moment that has you hyperventilating so. He DID end his sentence with the word CHANGE after all.
A very different sort of unanticipated moment took place during the debate. Biden said, “I know what it’s like to be a single parent raising two children.” He did not know if his sons would survive the auto accident that took his wife and daughter. For a moment, he lost his composure. Looking at the moment again, I believe, as I did at the time, that it was genuine emotion, and not stagecraft.
It could not have been anticipated by Palin. The next camera angle was above and behind her. She paused. The silence seemed to anticipate words of sympathy and identification from her. But Biden had ended in a sentence using the word “change,” and her response, reflecting no emotion at all, cued off that word and became a talking point about McCain. This felt to me, at worst, insensitive and callous. At best, that she had not fully heard Biden. In either event, her response troubled me. If a man had responded in that way to such a statement from a women, he would be called a heartless brute.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/02/biden-gets-choked-up-talk_n_131449.html
chunderroad on November 29, 2008 at 2:04 AM
LMAO! Reagan had a Degree in Economics not journalism, was a Captain in the Army and was Governor of the largest state in the country for 8 years! Palin’s joke Resume doesn’t come close.
Poptech on November 29, 2008 at 2:04 AM
That’s exactly right. People who self-fund and pay for their college years themselves (I did) take longer to complete college than those who are not working or are working mere weekends or some summers (Obama worked one summer for a few weeks at an icecream parlor and says he “worked his way through college” while there was only one other brief job he ever held other than at the creamery).
If you’re expected to stay in school and pay quarterly tuition, along with your living expenses WHILE college is taking place (housing, food, books, healthcare, transportation, clothes, utilities, moving expenses), it requires a fulltime job WHILE SCHOOL IS TAKING PLACE. Combine 40+_ hours of work each week with 16-20 credits each quarter at any competitive university, it’s an unsurvivable schedule without some time off some place in some years.
I know, I tried it. Impossible to keep up for four+ years, you have to have some time to sleep, rest, and especially a lot of time to do the coursework outside the classroom. Employers don’t understand or tolerate sleeping on the job, being late, not producing, and neither do competitive colleges.
The two realities don’t mesh. Thus, it takes a lot longer to complete a degree when you’re self-supporting and anyone who ridicules those who accomplish that (or are trying to) is less than dirt.
S on November 29, 2008 at 2:04 AM
I think Roger Ebert’s a big softie, and no one believes him anymore. But I loved Valley of the Dolls.
chunderroad on November 29, 2008 at 2:05 AM
Too bad Ahnuld wasn’t an economics major and a US citizen.
chunderroad on November 29, 2008 at 2:08 AM
Totally CLUELESS, who is defending Biden? Everytime I have this discussion the clueless Palin fanatics like to compare her to Obama or Biden, no one cares, we are comparing her to REAL candidates with REAL education and REAL experience. Not, is she a dumb hick like me? But you are so brainwashed with Palinmania that you really think anyone who doesn’t like Palin is some left wing liberal from the Huffington Post. Social Conservatives crack me up.
Poptech on November 29, 2008 at 2:08 AM
you think we don’t know where all this crap comes from… It’s a bunch of mindless liberals coming here to troll….
An Era of Hate on November 29, 2008 at 2:09 AM
You do realize, don’t you, that it is YOU people are LaughingTHEIRArsesOff” about?
Give Sarah Palin time, she’ll accrue her own credentials, which, as others have already noted and you’ve ignored, are far more than mere homework and childbearing and performances before a TV monitor.
You disrespect Palin, everyone GETS that about you. Maybe you should go start a website and rant “LMAO” about Sarah Palin and write “economics” like a wall of type there and just relish in the word, because obviously, you lack intellectual capacity to understand what the term means or what it is to function in a mature environment.
As I wrote and others have, too, Palin is not expected to BE Ronald Reagan (or anyone else) because she is not Ronald Reagan (or anyone else). And you have not displayed any understanding OF or ABOUT “economics” to even promote what it is you continue to harp on about that here (thus, you’re not credible in your complaints).
It’s one thing to not support a possible candidate for the Presidency — for example, I did not nor would not support Ron Paul — but it’s another thing to run complaints into some personal territory as you are doing that makes you, the complainer, look irrational.
Thus, you’re not selling anyone on anything here, except that you’re a nutcase.
S on November 29, 2008 at 2:10 AM
Arnold is an idiot.
Poptech on November 29, 2008 at 2:10 AM
Like Joe Biden. Who was supposed to bring real experience to the winning Democratic national ticket. Just saying.
chunderroad on November 29, 2008 at 2:12 AM
My turn now: L-M-Arse-OFF at YOU.
The only “comparison” you’ve made here is one between you and a squirrel with emotional problems.
S on November 29, 2008 at 2:12 AM
LMAO! Try all the economically eduated of the party who warned of this trainwreck (McShame, Palin) when it started moving but were shouted down by Palinmania fanboys. Yeah I’m about as liberal as I am donald duck. Guess what a significant portion of the party doesn’t like Palin because we think she is unqualified.
Poptech on November 29, 2008 at 2:14 AM
We all get it, Poptech: you’re a Liberal.
We get it, so move along now, you’re not doing yourself any good here. Except if you’re soliciting a “I Be Stupid” award.
In which case, you win it.
S on November 29, 2008 at 2:14 AM
Got it! You were born without a sense of humor. What do they call it… Assburger syndrome?
chunderroad on November 29, 2008 at 2:14 AM
You need a lot of drugs, too. Maybe you and Shelby should consider hooking up and going to the same clinic together. That way you could both rant about Sarah Palin all the way there and part the way back up until the injections take effect.
S on November 29, 2008 at 2:15 AM
Hahaha…
S on November 29, 2008 at 2:17 AM
Noneya on November 29, 2008 at 2:17 AM
Now we need drugs because we actually have real experience in the business world and read a resume and LOL at Palin’s joke interviews before the election. Oh yeah we are liberals too because you cannot win one point based on anything but your “feelings’ about Palin. And please pretend I don’t understand economics when I studied it in college and do to this day.
Poptech on November 29, 2008 at 2:18 AM
This candidate of theirs, of course, has Palin fans on the comments section screaming, “Pay attention to ME!” They also never lost to McCain. Most importantgly, they have more real achievements and areas of expertise than Palin. /sarc off
chunderroad on November 29, 2008 at 2:18 AM
My apologies for missing your obvious facial expressions so I could tell your were joking.
Poptech on November 29, 2008 at 2:19 AM
Oh, riiight, those “true conservatives” who all ranted for Ron Paul? THOSE “conservatives”?
You and Arianna Huffington have much in common. She enjoys abusing the word, “conservative,” too.
S on November 29, 2008 at 2:20 AM
Look on the bright side. The democraps have 1,461 days to turn that eraser on the top of Barry’s head into a sharp pencil point. Good luck to you dems, you’re gonna need it.
Limerick on November 29, 2008 at 2:22 AM
Did I need to make a funny face to point out you’re an idiot for quibbling between the difference in size between CA and Alaska? Or that you failed to point out where Palin’s fiscal conservative cred is lacking?
Moody’s say Alaska was the only state in the union that was not in a recession starting six months ago. Palin also put away $5 billion and slashed earmarks in anticipation of the upcoming lean years.
chunderroad on November 29, 2008 at 2:25 AM
What “business world,” is that the Secret Squirrel Training Facility you’re running?
From what you’ve written here, I’d fancy that the “business world” you have that so-called “experience in” is spamming. That and, perhaps, Usenet groups. Oh, then there’s facebook, you’re busy with experience there.
From what you’ve written, you’re not literate or experienced in much to anything. I think you’re fascinated with APPEARING “experienced” and using the word, “economics” as if that renders you competent, and, generally being antisocial with trying to push people around, as long as they stand in one place.
The main criteria for the GOP this upcoming election is securing ongoing Capitalism and denouncing the creeping Socialist presence in our democracy, what’s left of it.
Private property has, to the Democrats and many RINOs, lost it’s worth, lost it’s value, lost it’s significance and our nation as a democracy won’t live long accordingly. My support for Romney was based upon his intellectual and academic abilities, and, proven track record in bringing about successful solutions to troubled economic formula. However, we have to actually win the election before any changes to the damaging Obama Presidency can be made. If it means Palin running as candidate to win, fine, then support her or vote for Obama.
S on November 29, 2008 at 2:26 AM
Ron Paul was right about the economy, looks like you owe the man an apology. But you are right Ron Paul is a crazy nutcase who believes only in the Constitution. What a nut job. Better to throw that away and substitute the Bible and elect the Theocracy.
Poptech on November 29, 2008 at 2:27 AM
Also worth noting that, on a personal level, she and her husband, Todd, have created, managed (and done so successfully), their own business. In Alaska, of all places. Not an easy feet.
S on November 29, 2008 at 2:29 AM
…feat, not “feet.”
S on November 29, 2008 at 2:29 AM
I’ve successfully run multiple private businesses and do to this day.
I love your nonsensical support Palin or support Obama. You don’t tell me who to vote for, ever. I couldn’t vote for McShame (amnesty, cap and trade, the bailout) and his unqualified VP Pick, so I voted for Bob Barr and I will continue to vote for whoever I feel is better qualified. In the primaries I voted for Romney. So please stop with your worthless pandering.
Poptech on November 29, 2008 at 2:31 AM
Ron Paul AND supporters are nutcases and that remains, despite him having some good points on some issues at some time.
“Even a broken clock is right twice a day.”
No one owes Ron Paul an apology except perhaps the dingbats such as yourself who ponied all over the internet sliming everyone else.
Being offensive and arrogant is not a winning formula except to the Conspiracy theorists who comprise most of the Ron Paul supporters.
S on November 29, 2008 at 2:31 AM
Some of Ron Paul supporters are nutcases but most are not and his positions are not judged based on who supports him but rather what his positions are. I vote for a President not his fringe supporters.
I love your random slander against me, you don’t even know who I am, yet assumed I was a Ron Paul supporter. I wasn’t but would have voted for him if he won the nomination, unlike McShame and Palin.
I am also not a conspiracy theorist, so it looks like all your worthless labels you try to stick to me, does not work. Try getting educated before you keep sticking your foot in your mouth.
Poptech on November 29, 2008 at 2:36 AM
Palin is anti-abortion but do you really know much about her values? Seems to me this “Christian” candidate does more talking than actually walking the walk! Do the conservatives REALLY KNOW their beloved Ms. Right Wing Messiah???!!! Maybe Simple Sarah is a LIBERAL!!! Gasp!
Learn more about her from a website that both confirms and debunks rumors / facts regarding her, and includes references:
http://explorations.chasrmartin.com/2008/09/06/palin-rumors/
1. Yes, she was apparently pregnant when she got married.
2. Yes, there are people in Alaska who think she’s too liberal.
3. Yes, she did want authority to have wolves culled from the air. No, she isn’t shooting them herself. I mean, not that she couldn’t, but I’m sure she doesn’t have time.
4. Yes, she did smoke marijuana, when it was legal in Alaska. Yes, she apparently did inhale.
5. Yes, it appears that she has a Big Dipper tattooed on her ankle.
6. Yes, Bristol appears to have had sex with her fiancee. No, Bristol didn’t receive only “abstinence-only” sex ed.
7. Yes, her 17 year old daughter is pregnant.
8. Yes, she did try, clearly unsuccessfully, to get Bristol married off to her fiancee before the story came out.
Shelby on November 29, 2008 at 2:36 AM
This is a Larry Craig reference, isn’t it?
benny shakar on November 29, 2008 at 2:37 AM
How can Ron Paul be owed anything? I didn’t use his services so there is nothing to pay for. He opened a market I have no need of. His inferior product gained him what it should have, nothing. Isn’t that the Libertarian Way?
Limerick on November 29, 2008 at 2:37 AM
Excuse me? My “nonsensical support for Palin”? And what, exactly, is wrong with SUPPORTING her in general, as I have?
I give her the benefit of the doubt, you insult and demean her on non-specific, irrational, personally gloatful terms yet can’t site anything SPECIFIC about her that would define her as unsuitable to the Presidency — you’ve made your own personal visciousness about the lady as something that should function (as you appear to expect) as some mantra for GOP voters to follow: let’s all grub around and growl about the lady, Sarah Palin, because someone — “Poptech” — is apparently mentally deranged about her as an elected official, particularly as to the Presidency.
Sorry, you’ve offered no LEADERSHIP perspective that encourages others to follow your example, quite the contrary, you’ve exemplified an offensive brute who no one except fringe Leftists want to join up with, and only then with fictitious names.
Whatever “business” you fancy yourself as being well functioning at, you’ve failed to impress upon the public here. Your sole word of promotion, so far, has been “economics” — without any specifics, nothing explained abou that, no frame of reference, no specific issues to remedy or perpetuate, nothing anyone can admire or consider or even disagree with.
The ONLY thing you’re successful at is hating on a personal level some individual you’ve named “Sarah Palin.” As if she owes you a debt, stole your dog, burned your hair, sunk your boat and ran off with your savings. None of which I truly doubt she ever has or ever will.
And anyone who limits their discussions to anything beyond the chatroom level to “LMAO” is hardly an paragon of “business.”
S on November 29, 2008 at 2:38 AM
Add to the list of your awards, the “I Don’t Comprehend Written English” Award.
I wrote that MOST of Ron Paul supporters were Conspiratorialists, they combine support for Paul with Conspiracy Theories, the worst of which is the “9/11 was an inside job” CP that George Soros rewarded many of the Ron Paul supporters, along with that radio nutcase, Alex Jones, with by funding most of them with various monies. THAT was and remains the Ron Paul core: Liberals to the fringe end.
IN other words, so “conservative” they were and are Leftwing, beyond the Left, or at best, met-up with the Leftwing emotionally and in intellectual-aberrations.
If you’re not among those, fine, not as if it’s a crucial point, but I never wrote that you, specifically, were such, just that that is reasonably a good estimation of who the “most” among the Ron Paul supporters are.
But, you do typify the aberrational emotional perspectives of many Ron Paul advocates and why he has gained the bad reputation that he has. I suspect you’re also the same general community who is attempting to accomplish the same for and about Romney.
S on November 29, 2008 at 2:43 AM
Funny how Ron Paul got more delegates than Rudy Giuliani, the 2007 front-runner and choice of Pat Robertson. It was the first party victory by the the forces of constitutionality over religious zealotry this century, 2010 & 2012 will surely bring more…..
Noneya on November 29, 2008 at 2:44 AM
Oh, please, Shelby, you’re a sick person. I (and I venture to guess many here) are just not interested in your word-vomit. Please see a physician and find someone to talk to and help you with your mental fog.
S on November 29, 2008 at 2:46 AM
Giuliani was not popularly supported because: he is not pro-life and he’s pro-amnesty.
S on November 29, 2008 at 2:46 AM
and apparently anti-abstinence and anti-contraceptive as well! gotta love those Palin family values!
Noneya on November 29, 2008 at 2:48 AM
hmm ok then how did “pro-amnesty” McCain get the nom then?
Noneya on November 29, 2008 at 2:49 AM
Well I’ll take that over popping a baby’s skull like a party ballon.
Limerick on November 29, 2008 at 2:50 AM
Charles Martin’s website was linked to The Weekly Standard and The National Review when it came out, as well as this site. We all know about Sarah Palin’s conservative values and which of the rumors about her are true / false / malicious lies.
For more on the vicious lies part, here is a link to Jawa, who broke the story of how Obama’s campaign put out rumors – for example – that Sarah Palin was a member of the secessionist favoring Alaskan Independence Party, somewhere on the list totaling around 92 now, I think?
http://mypetjawa.mu.nu/archives/194057.php
chunderroad on November 29, 2008 at 2:51 AM
If you want a winner in 2012, voting for Romney (if he runs) is the wise choice.
Romney poses bigger threat to Obama
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/earl-ofari-hutchinson/romney-poses-bigger-threa_b_102262.html
I agree with Poptech–you know NOTHING about other posters unless they’ve stated information about themselves. Stop being so demeaning.
I voted for Romney in the primary AND in the general (I wrote his name in for pres.). No way was I gonna vote for Simple Scary Sarah / McOld or for Obamatrauma.
Shelby on November 29, 2008 at 2:52 AM
Shamnesty didn’t win McCain support among conservatives, but at least he took it to Congress instead of running a sanctuary city and turning a blind eye to immigration, not something the 911 mayor wanted to dwell on. Quite a few of those highjackers had expired visas.
chunderroad on November 29, 2008 at 2:53 AM
Not to mention a little light in the loafers.
benny shakar on November 29, 2008 at 2:53 AM
There’s no need for that since abstinence-only education worked so well for Bristol, oh wait…..
Noneya on November 29, 2008 at 2:53 AM
But Tootsie is ‘art’.
LOL
Limerick on November 29, 2008 at 2:55 AM
If you want a winner in 2012, voting for Romney (if he runs) is the wise choice… because he lost to McOld?
Romney poses bigger threat to Obama because Arianna Huffington says so?
Tell me, are the walls in your room soft and white as cotton balls?
chunderroad on November 29, 2008 at 2:56 AM
What’s your point? That a teenage American girl had sex and got pregnant and that is supposed to make Republicans pull out a cross and a can of gasoline? You really are brainwashed by Olby, aren’t you?
Limerick on November 29, 2008 at 2:56 AM
GAY SLURS FTW!!!
chunderroad on November 29, 2008 at 2:57 AM
Tootsie? Wow you guys reallllllly are stuck in the 80’s!
Noneya on November 29, 2008 at 2:57 AM
For sure! The mother-like-daughter preggers thing is pretty wild given all the churchy stuff Sarah espouses.
Shelby on November 29, 2008 at 2:58 AM
The Kossacks think conservatives are like the Christians in Footloose. Even Nixon danced, and he was a Quaker.
chunderroad on November 29, 2008 at 2:58 AM
Heh….the eighties is hardly ancient history to this old fart. If your looking to get my ears red you better reach back a bit further.
Limerick on November 29, 2008 at 3:00 AM
I know you must have read this in the other thread where you lost your ever-loving mind and began foaming at the mouth.
Alaska seems to be proactive in helping their citizens and trying to lower the teenage pregnancy rate.
At the link… almost 71% of the teen pregnancies are born and not aborted. And they have lowered the teen pregnancies by 34% over the years.
http://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/state_data/states/alaska.html
“Among the 50 states and the District of Columbia, Alaska ranked
*1st in service availability;
*14th in laws and policies;
*1st in public funding; and
*2nd overall.
*service availability—how well the states meet existing need for subsidized contraceptive services and supplies;
*laws and policies—whether their laws and policies are likely to facilitate access to contraceptive services and information; and
*public funding—the extent to which they devote their own revenues, and leverage potential federal dollars, to support the delivery of publicly supported contraceptive services and support.”
Palin provided a massive funding hike for pregnant teens and raised funding for mentally disabled children 175% over the former administration.
chunderroad on November 28, 2008 at 4:45 PM
chunderroad on November 29, 2008 at 3:01 AM
Now ‘Footloose”?!? Have ANY of you moved past 1988???
Noneya on November 29, 2008 at 3:01 AM
Oops! The mother-like-daughter UNWED preggers thing is pretty wild given all the churchy stuff Sarah espouses.
Shelby on November 29, 2008 at 3:01 AM
Dobson on Bristol Palin’s Pregnancy
September 01, 2008 1:52 PM
Dr. James C. Dobson of Focus on the Family issued the following statement:
“In the 32-year history of Focus on the Family, we have offered prayer, counseling and resource assistance to tens of thousands of parents and children in the same situation the Palins are now facing. We have always encouraged the parents to love and support their children and always advised the girls to see their pregnancies through, even though there will of course be challenges along the way. That is what the Palins are doing, and they should be commended once again for not just talking about their pro-life and pro-family values, but living them out even in the midst of trying circumstances.
“Being a Christian does not mean you’re perfect. Nor does it mean your children are perfect. But it does mean there is forgiveness and restoration when we confess our imperfections to the Lord. I’ve been the beneficiary of that forgiveness and restoration in my own life countless times, as I’m sure the Palins have.
“The media are already trying to spin this as evidence Gov. Palin is a ‘hypocrite,’ but all it really means is that she and her family are human. They are in my prayers and those of millions of Americans.”
chunderroad on November 29, 2008 at 3:03 AM
Goodnight (morning) all. The young-uns just aren’t worth the loss of Poker After Dark.
Limerick on November 29, 2008 at 3:05 AM
Dobson was willing to overlook and excuse this just as the Vatican was willing to overlook and excuse the molestation of altar boys by it’s pedophile priests. Funny how your religious values go right out the window when power is at stake, isn’t it?
Noneya on November 29, 2008 at 3:08 AM
Romney only lost because Widdle Huckie and McOld worked together to knock him out. Neither McOld or Huckie could have won without the other.
That article was NOT written by Arianna. Try checking it out so you know what you’re talking about!
Shelby on November 29, 2008 at 3:09 AM
Teenage sex is like pedophilia now? LOL. What lesson did you take from the book of Genesis? Original sin, dude. It came by the name honestly, and it’s as old as time itself.
chunderroad on November 29, 2008 at 3:10 AM
Maybe the Palin family needs an exorcist to rid them of these unholy personal demons they are so so helpless to! *PAGING BOBBY JINDAL!*
Noneya on November 29, 2008 at 3:10 AM
LMAO, I love how we are now the party of teen pregnancy and former pot use. Could you imagine all the Palin fanboys if Obama had a pregnant teenage daughter! AHAHAHAHA!!!
Poptech on November 29, 2008 at 3:11 AM
I don’t click on links to The Orange Cheetoh or Huffing Pot. If I wanted to visit those cesspools, I’d go there myself, instead of being led by a half-baked troll who pollutes my poor mind enough. Really, we just want to be left in peace!
chunderroad on November 29, 2008 at 3:12 AM
i see, hate the sin and love the sinners (only if they do approved sins like teenage sex and not unapproved sins like homosexuality)
Noneya on November 29, 2008 at 3:13 AM
We already know what The Grand Poobah of the Choomba Gang would do if his daughters were “punished with a baby.” If the babies weren’t aborted early enough, they might be lucky enough to be stabbed in the head with scissors instead of left to suffocate alone in a dark, soiled linen closet.
chunderroad on November 29, 2008 at 3:16 AM
I guess Sarah and Bristol are pretty darn special, huh?! Cause you know it’s the standard “operating” procedure in the Palin household to get pregnant before marriage…
Shelby on November 29, 2008 at 3:17 AM
Sarah Palin vetoed a ban on same sex benefits, thus granting them, in her first month in office. She was also candid (when she gave an interview with Katie Couric) about her best friend of 30 years who happens to be gay. Sarah Palin shares the same position on gay marriage as Barack Obama and Joe Biden.
chunderroad on November 29, 2008 at 3:20 AM
I’m sure he excused and prayed for Dick Cheney’s “human” lesbian daughter, too. Teenage sex and homosexuality are ok w/ him (as long as they are politician’s kids only!)
Noneya on November 29, 2008 at 3:22 AM
Nonsensical as in not based on logic or reasoning, just emotional nonsense.
Are you like the blind man now? Is this some sort of Palin fanboy denial? I’ve given it OVER AND OVER AND OVER – Palin is UNQUALIFIED TO BE PRESIDENT! She has a joke degree in Journalism, professional experience that equals attending Beauty Pageants, Mayor of a town of 6000 – elected with 900 votes and now Governor for only 1+1/2 years of one of the least populated states in the country.
Sorry if all the facts disprove your emotional fantasies. This is like bizaro idol worship and anyone who is not brainwashed like Obamaniacs must HATE her. NO! I think she is unqualified – yet you not comprehend this!
Clueless Palin supporters are just so amazed as to why no one could see how much more qualified she is then Obama when she isn’t. Yet Obama’s joke qualifications where totally taken out of play by McShame shooting himself in the foot, picking Palin. Palin was picked because she was a woman – period.
Poptech on November 29, 2008 at 3:23 AM
It’s the standard in the Palin family that women share their bodies with men who love them and will support their decision to keep their child should she become pregnant. Abortion was not the choice for Sarah or Bristol.
Has no one ever loved you enough to stay with you when life didn’t go as planned? No wonder your pathologically hatred for the Palins which goes beyond the mere political.
chunderroad on November 29, 2008 at 3:23 AM
Shelby on November 29, 2008 at 3:09 AM
When were discussing not-so-nice facts about the Palin gals, NOW you want to be left alone. Hahaha!
The Romney article was written by Earl Ofari Hutchinson, an author and political analyst.
Shelby on November 29, 2008 at 3:24 AM
Hey Allah, you finally got your heart’s wish, haven’t you?
promachus on November 29, 2008 at 3:25 AM
Exactly why do Bristol Palin (teenage mother) and Mary Cheney (lesbian mother) get the a-ok from the right, but everyday, normal teenage moms and homosexuals are demonized by these same people every election cycle? Surely not hypocrisy, I mean, Dobson said so, so strike that. What else could it be? hmmmmm
Noneya on November 29, 2008 at 3:27 AM
When we’re discussing not-so-nice facts about the Palin gals…
Gettin’ late. Ta ta everybody.
Shelby on November 29, 2008 at 3:28 AM
This is all anyone needs to know about the nature of sarah’s “executive experience” in Wasilla.
I drove thru Wasilla last week and saw several Obama/Biden yard signs still on display!
benny shakar on November 29, 2008 at 3:28 AM
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