Zogby on 2012: Palin leads among Republicans, Romney leads among all voters
posted at 4:30 pm on November 28, 2008 by Allahpundit
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Check that: Romney barely leads among all voters, within the margin of error. But here’s evidence, in case more was needed, of how sharply conservatives’ view of the ‘Cuda diverges from America’s. Among Republicans, it’s Palin 24.4, Mitt 18.1, Jindal 15.6; among everyone, Mitt 13.7, Palin 13.4, Jindal 12.5.
What happened to Huck, who was in the thick of things when Gallup recently asked a similar question? Palin happened to Huck:
Among Republicans, she gets the support of 30% of Born-Again Christians, 32% of weekly churchgoers, 34% of National Rifle Association members, 28% of current gun owners and 29% of self-identified conservatives. More GOP support comes from 32% of blue collar workers, 30% who shop weekly at Wal-Mart, 28% of NASCAR fans and 25% of both those with children under 17 and those with family members in the military…
Palin looks to be stealing Huckabee’s thunder among Republican religious conservatives and working class voters. Huckabee is an ordained Southern Baptist minister, and his highest GOP totals still come from Born-Again Christians (15%) and weekly churchgoers (18%), but those numbers are about half of those drawn by Palin. Despite his populist economic message, he wins only 10% of blue collar Republicans.
There’s your explanation for why he’s been taking shots at her lately, in case it wasn’t already clear. Interesting to see Jindal’s numbers so high, though, given how comparatively low his profile is and how poorly he fared in the Gallup poll. As another young rock-star “future of the party” governor, I wonder if he isn’t peeling votes away from Palin among people who’ve soured on her for whatever reason. Exit invitation: Go ahead and tell me that the only reason she polls so much lower among all voters is because Democrats fear her. You know you want to.
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Good grief. Maybe you should take a look at the electoral maps of 1964 and 1976, for a start. This was nowhere near a slaughter, and given the October surprise of the market tanking, the GOP did remarkably well. With over 80 seats in congress held by dems in districts that went for Bush in 2000 and 2004, 2010 could well see the GOP retake congress. Also given that the economy is going to be worse in 2010 and probably into the 2012 election season than it is now, the opportunities are clear.
Vashta.Nerada on November 28, 2008 at 11:51 PM
Palin’s name had been floated as a strong contender for the VP slot as of February 2008.
http://palinforvp.blogspot.com/2007/02/faq.html
chunderroad on November 28, 2008 at 11:51 PM
fixed
joey24007 on November 28, 2008 at 11:52 PM
I remember when I signed that way back in Feb …
http://conservatives4palin.blogspot.com/2008/02/sarah-palin.html
joey24007 on November 28, 2008 at 11:54 PM
Give ‘em a break. They’re just racked with anxiety over the prospect of Clinton III.
ddrintn on November 28, 2008 at 11:55 PM
http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m122/Joey24007/change_clinton.jpg
joey24007 on November 28, 2008 at 11:56 PM
Take a look at the main subject of these blog entries; Sarah Palin, far and away, leads. The enthusiasm for her has not yet diminished; to the regret of her opponents it perhaps never will.
technopeasant on November 29, 2008 at 12:02 AM
I don’t know how much influence McCain had on Palin when she was decrying the evils of big business, but both of them said things like this at every stop, and this was a big reason that millions of GOP voters stayed home in 2008. Will that mistake cost her if she runs in 2012? Say what you will about Romney, but he upholds the economic conservative end of the tent, while holding the social and military wings (mostly because they will vote against any democrat). The votes McCain got in 2008 were heavily anti-democrat votes, not pro-McCain votes, and as any political operative can tell you, when your voters are voting against the other guy, you lose. Either Palin learns to love capitalism, or else Romney or another economic conservative takes the nomination, because conservative economics are going to be the winning angle in the midterms and next presidential election. You cannot win with social conservatism, even when tied with military conservatism. You must also have economic conservatism in the mix to win.
Vashta.Nerada on November 29, 2008 at 12:09 AM
Her job as VP Candidate was to parrot McCain .. end of story
if he is out there bashing wall st. then she does it too
if he is out there being a “maverick” , then she is a maverick
typical VP behavior
joey24007 on November 29, 2008 at 12:10 AM
from Wiki:
I have a feeling his showing will put Palin’s in 2012 to shame.
Noneya on November 29, 2008 at 12:11 AM
which of course is the equivalent of Palin’s vice-presidency, which will occur in fantasy land over the next 4 years
Tell me … Quayle was the governor of which state again after 1993?
joey24007 on November 29, 2008 at 12:14 AM
A losing VP candidate has never run in the next election cycle for President and won. These are huge odds to overcome, but what are the odds that the first female President of the USA would be from Alaska and what odds did Intrade give SP being chosen by McCain as his running mate? Hey, nothing great that was ever achieved was produced with the odds not prevailing against them at the start of the venture.
technopeasant on November 29, 2008 at 12:14 AM
I think what McCain resented was that he/his people did not vet Simple Sarah! You know he’s still kicking himself for not choosing Romney as his running mate. Even Karl Rove told him to choose Romney!
The Vet Who Did Not Vet
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=03fcGelz8Hw
Shelby on November 29, 2008 at 12:15 AM
Take a look at the main subject of these blog entries; Sarah Palin, far and away, leads. The enthusiasm for her has not yet diminished; to the regret of her opponents it perhaps never will.
technopeasant on November 29, 2008 at 12:02 AM
My friend, most of the “enthusiasm” in watching sarah palin is akin to slowing down to see a car wreck… one of those itty-bitty cars, chock full of clowns.
benny shakar on November 29, 2008 at 12:15 AM
People, let’s not get carried away with Palin mania.
Trust me, I absolutely love her. McCain was the guy that brought down the ticket and she kicked Biden’s ass in the debates.
However, we must be aware that there will be other candidates that may impress us even more.
Jindal is by far an impressive guy. His accomplishments and the number of governmental positions he’s held at such a young age with success is beyond anything I’ve seen in modern politics.
He has core conservative principles, and it certainly is not bad when Rush Limbaugh calls him “the next Reagan.” When Rush discusses Palin, he throws in Jindal’s name. Look at the interview he did with Greta after the election. Jindal’s name keeps popping up at a discussion about Palin. Why? Because Jindal is the guy to bring back conservatism to the White House.
Also for those of you that say he is too serious, he is really a funny guy, but when it comes to his job he is serious, as he should be. He does get things done.
I will bet he will be the nominee of our party in 2012.
jencab on November 29, 2008 at 12:16 AM
Vashta Nerada 12:09 PM: I agree completely; I do believe that Sarah was tied to McCain’s hip closer than she was willing to let on, especially when it came to bashing ‘the greed of Wall Street.
technopeasant on November 29, 2008 at 12:18 AM
Believe it or not, as bad as he was, he actually won and served as VP! Palin is a much bigger joke than he ever was and the thought of the Presidency in her hands scares everybody outside the Tancredo-wing of the party. The folks in Iowa will laugh her back to AK.
Noneya on November 29, 2008 at 12:19 AM
I have a feeling that Noneya really, really does not like Conservatives.
S on November 29, 2008 at 12:20 AM
If she’s such a car wreck, I don’t know why we have to be reminded of it. Anyway, the Klown Kar known as the Office of the President-Elect is more entertaining.
ddrintn on November 29, 2008 at 12:20 AM
Well, I certainly knew who Palin was once she was announced. I remember reading an article that stated she was a long shot for the vp spot. This was during the democratic primaries… I think it was late May not sure… In the article they made the case for her and then later concluded that it was unlikely because at the time she was pregnant with trig.. The article included a picture of Sarah with her fat belly…( in the background there was a wide window….the surrounding background had a wooten brown color to it.)
An Era of Hate on November 29, 2008 at 12:21 AM
And what about the clown known as the VP-elect!
technopeasant on November 29, 2008 at 12:22 AM
Which would be fine with me. I think you raise a good point: let’s let our liberal compatriots be the ones who engage in idiotic faux-Messiah worship. It’ll stick them soon enough, and they probably know it.
ddrintn on November 29, 2008 at 12:23 AM
watching sarah palin is akin to slowing down to see a car wreck… benny shakar on November 29, 2008 at 12:15 AM
I dropped my 07 Electaglide whilste hinking of her.
Alex Martinez on November 29, 2008 at 12:24 AM
Dang Crowns kickin in
Alex Martinez on November 29, 2008 at 12:25 AM
As written by an open-borders, amnesty-promoting Liberal. That means you, Noneya.
And whattheheck has happened to Iowa lately? Too many aging Liberals mucking the place up, promoting feel-goodism and big-government doles, is what’s wrong with Iowa lately.
It USED to be a Conservative place. Like many of those places (Montana is emerging as another one, Oregon long ago did, same with Washington state and now, lately, Colorado, horribly), you have the relocated Leftwing (Montana’s now server-farm territory so many Liberals have relocated there to punish the Right’s use of the web) (Montana’s latest version of ‘agriculture’). Iowa is no longer home to the family farmers, it’s home to the employees of agricultural and education ‘business.’
This places employees as individual voters who want big-dole-returns from an expanded federal government in opposition to businesses, which most continue to be private. You get capitalists struggling to make a profit and a payroll, versus employees today eagerly seeking to undermine private enterprise (and the federal government to intercede to make it impossible for them to lose their jobs, which means one thing and one thing only, increased federal intervention in private property).
I blame Socialism’s infiltration into our educational system and that’s where the problems have to be addressed: returning the respect to the individual of private property. Without that, we get murderous group stampedes at WalMarts in Long Island.
S on November 29, 2008 at 12:26 AM
You just won’t stop with the repetitive and, thus, demeaning, picture of her winking. How about getting a bit more creative?
rlwo2008 on November 29, 2008 at 12:26 AM
I have a feeling that Ms. Right Wing Messiah lovers DON’T LIKE HEARING THE TRUTH ABOUT THEIR WIDDLE MESSIAH!
Shelby on November 29, 2008 at 12:27 AM
The Reagan Hypocrisy
AS IN SIGNED! – talk about spin.
Abortion:
Reagan Reluctantly Signs Bill Easing Abortions (The New York Times, 1967)
Amnesty:
President Reagan Signs Amnesty Bill (The New York Times, 1986)
Reagan Signs Measure Easing Entry to U.S. (The New York Times, 1987)
Poptech on November 29, 2008 at 12:28 AM
Conservatives and private industry has to step-up the “think tank” and group-meet&greets at places such as Aspen, Colorado and, say, Helena, Montana (for starters).
The leftwing has been using certain plances (especially Aspen) to build a group-politic and they send billions of dollars to those locales to make the Leftwing feel wanted and ‘connected’.
The Right needs to increase the circulation by increasing the private get togethers, nationwide. If I had a large house, I’d sponsor one annually, but, alas, no large home, no can do.
But the Right overall needs to increase the ‘thinktank’ or group-meet&greets on an annual basis. It would go a long way to getting more voters together with a shared appreciation for one another.
S on November 29, 2008 at 12:29 AM
Wow, such a touchy Liberal nail-fighter.
Can you speak “Adult.”
S on November 29, 2008 at 12:31 AM
If SP is a car or train wreck why did GOP types get atwitter when her appearances on the trail were announced? And if she is such an anathema why do the Democratic nutroots continue to attack her? Why are there GOP web sites set up now dedicated to her candidacy in 2012? Why doesn’t the MSM just simply ignore her? Why? Because they fear her, recognize her political talent, and she sells advertising dollars respectively.
technopeasant on November 29, 2008 at 12:31 AM
It took you all of one minute to spit that out. You really, really hate Sarah Palin, don’t you?
S on November 29, 2008 at 12:32 AM
Palin supporters are as bad as Obama supporters because to them qualifications don’t mean anything. All that matters is your position on abortion and gay marriage. Obama BTW does not support gay marriage. Palin on the other hand bashed corporate greed, wall street and wants to cap CO2 emmissions. Yet the economically illiterate wing of the party thinks she is so great. It just shows you how low the intelligence level has become with social conservatives and their one track mind.
Oh and Reagan had a degree in economics not journalism like Palin.
Poptech on November 29, 2008 at 12:34 AM
Liberals sniping at Palin.( she’s a joke to them and they can’t stop talking about her)
Romney supporters sniping at Reagan…
WHWOWOooaoaoao This is great!!!
An Era of Hate on November 29, 2008 at 12:35 AM
I can’t wait until Piyush is introduced to the republican base… you know, those people who sincerely believe President-elect Obama is a non-citizen Muslim terrorist.
benny shakar on November 29, 2008 at 12:35 AM
You just won’t stop with the repetitive and, thus, demeaning, picture of her winking. How about getting a bit more creative?
rlwo2008 on November 29, 2008 at 12:26 AM
Ain’t nothing wrong with her picture, any shot is a good shot of Gov.Palin
Alex Martinez on November 29, 2008 at 12:36 AM
The open-borders, amnesty-ites attack ANYone on the Right of ANY variety of beliefs as long as they don’t cater to the open-borders demands for amnesty.
I have mixed opinions about Palin, though I would vote for her for the Presidency, as I would also gladly promote her in that regard.
However, I’m not one who promotes individuals in politics blindly. The Left, as also RINOs, in my experience, attacks anyone who does not blindly endorse or blindly attack. They don’t appreciate nuance or individual opinion.
One thing the Right has to do is sort out the RINO and other Liberal element at least a year (or more) before the upcoming 2011 campaign. Our main issues (the big ones, Capitalism vs. Socialism/Communism, private property vs. state control, guns vs. no guns for private use and enjoyment, abortion vs. life, freealldrugs vs. laws and enforcement, and especially, border security and law enforcement vs. amnesty and openborders) have to be sorted out in the next few years.
We have today a lot of very loud Liberatarians and other Liberals who claim to be “Conservative” and really do hate the religious Right, if not disdain any mention of religion and religious values by the Right. Which then extends to the other, related values such as how one lives, acts, what activities one supports or avoids or condemns, even. So, it’s time to start calling a spade, a spade.
We could start by confronting the Social Liberals, who are often Libertarians, and isolate their “fiscal conservative” (little ‘c’) stuff from the mainstream among the Right, because, just being ‘fiscally conservative’ does not a Conservative make.
S on November 29, 2008 at 12:39 AM
LOL…what’s funny is that we don’t “care” as much as the resident libs here do. Ooooooh she’s scarrrrry….
ddrintn on November 29, 2008 at 12:39 AM
Poptech: you may be right and if she continues to mimic McCain’s talking points in these areas in the 2012 campaign I will wholeheartedly agree with you. But I am willing to suspend judgment for the time being and instead acknowledge the reality of the VP candidate having to parrot the talking points of the head of the ticket. If SP is not a true-blue Reagan conservative we’ll soon find out.
technopeasant on November 29, 2008 at 12:39 AM
Well, that’s just nonsense. I just wrote as much, that I’d support and vote for Palin but I decidedly am not one to avoid criticising any candidate for anything I disagree with about their positions.
I THINK, rather, that the arguement lies with you who criticise candidates, being unable (in my experience) to think in nuance, as I just wrote.
Supporting and campaigning for Palin does not equate with the likes of an Obama-advocate. It’s embarrassing (about you) that you’d attempt to arrive at such an association.
The Right in supporting a candidate is just supporting a candidate. We aren’t worshipping Palin nor expecting a Grand Design from a President, as the Left is so often doing and certainly did as to Obama.
What’s the problem with supporting Sarah Palin? In your views, what’s the offensiveness about that, as relates to her, specifically, as an individual candidate?
S on November 29, 2008 at 12:42 AM
You mean as opposed to that Obama base that can’t tell you who the VP-elect is? “Duh, is it Sarah Palin?” :D
ddrintn on November 29, 2008 at 12:44 AM
Social Conservatives are constantly confused. Libertarians claim to be Libertarians. Conservatives – Conservatives. Social Conservatism is not mainstream conservatism. Regular Conservatives do not have a one track mind (abortion) and actually understand economics.
Libertarians fully support your right to your religion and your freedom of speech to talk about it until you are blue in the face, they do not support a Christian as in Protestant only Theocracy. Please stop confusing socialist/communist liberals who want to take away you guns with Libertarians, thank you.
If Religion, God, Abortion and Gay Marriage are your main issues then you are a social conservative not a regular conservative.
Poptech on November 29, 2008 at 12:45 AM
Just because SP is talented doesn’t mean I willy-nilly support her. Ideas and policies do matter.
technopeasant on November 29, 2008 at 12:46 AM
The “economically illiterate wing of the party”? Just WHO is that, exactly? You mean, for example, mothers who are not working, students whose parents are supporting them in college, boys in their mothers’ basements who can’t buy their own homes, who, exactly?
It’s one thing to criticize a candidate but it’s another thing to criticize a party of voters. Voters who enthuse about a candidate are good for the party, not bad for it (except when they’re off on a tangent and expecting the party to move to where they are, say, for example, as many Paulers were as Libertarians).
S on November 29, 2008 at 12:46 AM
Geez I wonder why hispanics have turned their back on the GOP. Don’t count on winning FL, NM, NV or CO ever again w/ that attitude. Surprisingly enough, people don’t wanna vote for anyone who wants to deport their grandmother!
Noneya on November 29, 2008 at 12:47 AM
ddrintn on November 29, 2008 at 12:48 AM
In an extended interview with TIME, Davis detailed what might have been in the campaign ad war — and what self-censorship the McCain staff imposed on themselves regarding the issue of race.
“I made a list once, which no one will ever see, of all the reasons that my hands were tied on this campaign,” he says
“One of the big hands that I felt was tied behind my back was [that] so many things — like [Obama's record on] crime — you would logically do were perceived as ‘Oh, we can’t do that. That was playing the race card,’ ” he says, adding that the campaign created a whole series of crime attacks against Obama that were never aired. “Reverend Wright? ‘Oh, can’t do that; they’ll say we are playing the race card.’ [William] Ayers? For the longest time, ‘Oh, can’t do that. We’re playing the race card.’ ”
http://www.time.com/time/politics/article/0,8599,1861831,00.html
sharrukin on November 29, 2008 at 12:48 AM
If Obama is a bust, along with the Dem Congress, all that nice demographic strategizing goes out the window, and you know it.
ddrintn on November 29, 2008 at 12:49 AM
She has no economic experience! No education or private sector experience. She is unqualified to be VP let alone POTUS compared to just about every other GOP candidate. I am talking her Resume, not her lifetime NRA membership. There is one thing to like a candidate and absolutely another to understand if they are qualified. Her Resume is a joke, so was Obamas yet Palin supporters still don’t get this.
Poptech on November 29, 2008 at 12:50 AM
S on November 29, 2008 at 12:42 AM
Denial! DENIAL! DENIAL!!!
Shelby on November 29, 2008 at 12:50 AM
Fixed.
Noneya on November 29, 2008 at 12:50 AM
Yes — but its such a funny joke, it bears repeating!
benny shakar on November 29, 2008 at 12:53 AM
You’d just better hope that Obama, Biden, Pelosi and Reid aren’t the death of yours.
ddrintn on November 29, 2008 at 12:53 AM
WRONG. People by majority today as in the past have morals and religious beliefs. They may not all be picketing against homosexuals (most of us are certainly not doing so) or wearing a pix of guns on our tees, but, the majority of voters today DO have religious beliefs and those beliefs shape how they reason about whom and about what.
In other words, things such as, as you state them, your words, “Religion, God, Abortion and Gay Marriage,” ARE important and continue to be, because how those issues are reasoned does affect our overall society and individual lives in that society, accordingly.
So do the other, related issues of respect for the Constitution (that it’s applied and enforced not reinterpreted and modified), law enforcement (related to previous), national security, borders, immigration, even how clean or not our cities and communities are.
How government services the people, in other words, is very important to most voters and how ethics in government are reasoned and applied…these things are shaped by religious beliefs, by “God” as you state.
It’s nonproductive to underestimate humanity to such a degree that assuming they should not care or consider things such as what their religious values and beliefs are, that they do or do not think about God in their daily lives and how that then affects how they behave AND WHO THEY VOTE FOR.
It IS productive to notice that, respect that, be able to acknowledge and discuss that and then get into the various issues of concern, rather than try to dismiss religious context altogether as being the behavior of the marginal among us (it isn’t).
S on November 29, 2008 at 12:53 AM
Lets see, Huckabee and Palin supporters. I can criticize anyone I want, especially people who don’t understand economics and thinks government can solve any of your problems and capping CO2 is good for your electric, heating and gasoline bills. Clueless voters who pick candidates like this is American idol instead of qualifications are dangerously delusional. At least libertarians understand the constitution and economics. The worst thing you would have to fear from a libertarian is too much freedom. Libertarians have nothing to do with socialist/communist liberals.
Poptech on November 29, 2008 at 12:54 AM
Almost as funny as a 47-year-old man still running on his Ivy League cred. Almost.
ddrintn on November 29, 2008 at 12:54 AM
I love it at how right I am. Social conservatives are completely detached from reality and really think conservatism is some huckabee led religious theocracy.
Poptech on November 29, 2008 at 12:56 AM
Sarah Palin’s Professional Experience:
- First Place, Miss Wasilla Beauty Contest, 1984
- Second Place, Miss Alaska Pageant, 1984
- Television Sports Reporter, 1987-1989
LMAO!
Poptech on November 29, 2008 at 12:57 AM
I asked you before to use an Adult Voice, you’ve continued to avoid doing so.
No one can read your mind. If you have some SPECIFIC POINT about me, specifically, as being “in denial” about Sarah Palin, name it, USE AN ADULT VOICE, YOUR ADULT LANGUAGE if you even have either or both.
Otherwise, you join the pile here of ranting, irrational Liberals.
I have no website promoting Sarah Palin, I will (so far) vote for her should she run for the Presidency, I’d prefer Romney, however, but, let’s see how things resolve. I’m not going to attack either one, however, because I consider them both excellent candidates for the Presidency, and I’m able to place my religious denominational theological beliefs in one area and consider both those persons on their abilities and ethics.
If you’re going to just rant here with immature irrational attacks, no one can help you, nor, communicate with you unless we start flinging asterics and such.
S on November 29, 2008 at 12:58 AM
Really? How’d Huckabee do in the primaries?
ddrintn on November 29, 2008 at 12:58 AM
“Boys and Girls, get the new McCain for 2012: MITT ROMNEY!!! When you need a guaranteed loser candidate to insure Democrat victory, ask for the MSM™ candidate! Just look for the Poll Numbers© printed on every box!*”
*Some Restrictions Apply; See Hillary Clinton for details.
TMK on November 29, 2008 at 12:59 AM
Jindal’s parents are alive, they are US citizens, and he has a birth certificate, as well as friends who remember him.
chunderroad on November 29, 2008 at 12:59 AM
Good enough to knock Romney out and give us McShame.
Poptech on November 29, 2008 at 1:02 AM
Hmmmm…
let’s see…she was also a mayor, helped run a small business, and is a governor. In other words, unlike Obama, she’s held real jobs. And anyway, Reagan was only an actor. LMAO!
ddrintn on November 29, 2008 at 1:02 AM
Yeah, but he’s still just doing a gig on FOX.
ddrintn on November 29, 2008 at 1:03 AM
But, reading your comments here, I don’t see ANYthing from you that indicates that YOU “understand economics.”
Yes, you can criticize anyone you “want to,” but, if you can’t make any specific point when you do, you’re just (like a few noticable others here) b****ing, which isn’t really criticism in any meaningful sense, it’s just nonproductive annoyance of others.
I didn’t support Huckabee, for your information. And the reasons why were that he was too Liberal for my tastes, and, had little to offer in terms of the nutsandbolts of how our Presidency ought to be handled, in my views.
However, I’d have voted for him had he been the nominee, since he wasn’t SO bad that I could not.
As it was, I had to really work toward voting for McCain. I have real issues with many of his political objectives and past voting record and made those objections quite public over the past years. However, once he was the nominee, I supported (and advocated) for him, as I also did vote for him.
There’s a point, however, where the arguing about who is just right or completely wrong has to stop, when working toward any hoped-for unison and majority of votes. You have to eventually stop the nitpicking and support someone, and then vote accordingly.
I doubt that any President has EVER been ‘all there’ on “economics” or all ‘not there’ and same can be said about any one issue. Same for any one candidate.
S on November 29, 2008 at 1:03 AM
That’s better.
Shelby on November 29, 2008 at 1:03 AM
HuffPo wants you back.
S on November 29, 2008 at 1:04 AM
I’m glad your Barbie Doll made it from your bedroom to your lap. Glad to see you’re feeling more secure now.
S on November 29, 2008 at 1:05 AM
Sarah Palin’s Professional Experience:
- First Place, Miss Wasilla Beauty Contest, 1984
- Second Place, Miss Alaska Pageant, 1984
- Television Sports Reporter, 1987-1989
LMAO!
Poptech on November 29, 2008 at 12:57 AM
Prior to her election as governor, Palin served two terms on the Wasilla City Council and two terms as the mayor/manager of Wasilla. During her tenure, she reduced property tax levels while increasing services and made Wasilla a business friendly environment, drawing in new industry.
She has served as chair of the Alaska Conservation Commission, which regulates Alaska’s most valuable non-renewable resources: oil and gas. She was elected by her peers to serve as president of the Alaska Conference of Mayors. In this role, she worked with local, state and federal officials to promote solutions to the needs of Alaska’s communities.
I guess you forgot some
Sven on November 29, 2008 at 1:07 AM
I don’t quite get it. If you’re not a Republican, why worry about it? If you think Palin is sending the party on a suicide course, you should just rejoice in it and join the beautiful people at HuffPo or Daily Kos or DU.
ddrintn on November 29, 2008 at 1:07 AM
So, who is it that you, Shelby and Poptech want for the GOP Presidential candidate in 2012? Are you planning on resurrecting Ron Paul or maybe lasooing the Soros-funded radio guy (whose name is intentionally not committed to memory)?
Name your candidates and why you think they’re “sound” – it would provide some basis as to what’s upsetting you all so here.
S on November 29, 2008 at 1:08 AM
We’re gonna call you “Poptart.”
Sarah Palin headed the Alaska Oil & Gas Conservation Commission, where she has negotiated with the state’s big producers, Exxon Mobil Corp., BP PLC and Conoco Phillips.
chunderroad on November 29, 2008 at 1:08 AM
Hilarious Poptech!
Shelby on November 29, 2008 at 1:08 AM
They’re not even Republicans. Shelby has PDS, and you can read her comments on the other Palin story up on the front page.
Trolls.
chunderroad on November 29, 2008 at 1:10 AM
OBVIOUSLY, a lot of the Leftwing is not satisified with a marginal win by Obama, such as it can be called (and no better), and needs to continue to try to so ruin the GOP and GOP voter enthusiasm for ANY plausible candidate, that they can’t help themselves.
I always laugh at how attractive Rightwing opinion is to the Left. They just can’t leave it alone, like graffiti-wielders on a clean street corner, they just gotta’ “attack” it.
It’s the religious-motivated that they really disdain. Underneath the heart of all, that’s the bug under their blanket, that voters (not themselves) actually have religious beliefs and try to lead our lives on those terms. I think that well-describes many among the Left, in my view, that they hate that so.
S on November 29, 2008 at 1:11 AM
All three of which beat Community Organizer (ACORN flunkie.)
chunderroad on November 29, 2008 at 1:11 AM
Barbie appears to have fallen in your lap a bit.
S on November 29, 2008 at 1:12 AM
Sarah Palin’s Professional Experience:
- First Place, Miss Wasilla Beauty Contest, 1984
- Second Place, Miss Alaska Pageant, 1984
- Television Sports Reporter, 1987-1989
LMAO!
Poptech on November 29, 2008 at 12:57 AM
Hilarious Poptech!
Shelby on November 29, 2008 at 1:08 AM
Obama- Rev. Wright
Obama- Bill Ayers
Obama- Rezko
Sven on November 29, 2008 at 1:14 AM
Yeah, obviously. There are a lot of Liberals out there with internet access. Many of whom use that access with computers paid for by the DNC. Never fear, their idiocy and same-old-same-old ridicule of GOP candidates and enthusiams never fails to reveal who they are. You’re right, they’re trolls.
About Palin, however, she does inspire many ugly females on the Left, especially, to hate her. No surprise there.
S on November 29, 2008 at 1:16 AM
Hilarious coming from someone who worships “Caribou Barbie”
Noneya on November 29, 2008 at 1:16 AM
Sarah Palin’s Professional Experience:
- First Place, Miss Wasilla Beauty Contest, 1984
- Second Place, Miss Alaska Pageant, 1984
- Television Sports Reporter, 1987-1989
LMAO!
Poptech on November 29, 2008 at 12:57 AM
Hilarious Poptech!
Shelby on November 29, 2008 at 1:08 AM
If that is all why are you so afraid of her?
Sven on November 29, 2008 at 1:16 AM
But not nearly as funny as someone asking about Obama’s academic record in one breath… then whining about “Ivy League cred” in the next.
benny shakar on November 29, 2008 at 1:16 AM
Romney / Petraeus in 2012. That would be a rock-solid ticket of economic and military experience and credentials, as well as the HIGH LEVEL OF INTELLIGENCE both candidates would bring to the table. We need SMART people for the humongous job of running our country rather than just “someone like us”.
Shelby on November 29, 2008 at 1:19 AM
Obama sold out the left wing as soon as the primaries were over. He won because of welfare trash, MTV zombies and sad old babyboomers entering their second childhood without ever having known the joys of maturity.
Fewer people turned out this year than in 2004. Next election, Obama has to count on his (Dean’s) machine.
He got a lot of slack for his novelty, but ran a Nixonian or Rovian (Lee Atwood is smiling in hell somewhere) campaign. In keeping with that, he and the fascist media are taking on his most likely competition. Hillary Clinton is now in his pocket. It’s not just Palin, but the whole GOP from all the obituaries running lately.
chunderroad on November 29, 2008 at 1:20 AM
As Limbaugh would say, “WE GOT A BABE”, right? That’s all that matters to the religious-guilt-ridden dirty-old-perv wing of the party….
Noneya on November 29, 2008 at 1:21 AM
Each candidate brings different assets and liabilities to the table. As for Sarah I don’t think she ever ‘palled around with an unrepentant domestic terrorist’, ever claimed that FDR went on TV in 1929 as president of the USA to talk about the Great Depression, never was involved with an organization with extensive ties to voter fraud, and never claimed that ‘Obama would be tested’ in the first six months of his Presidency. Yes, she is an executive, yes she balanced budgets and produced surpluses in each year that she has been governor, yes Sarah orcheatrated the $40B natural gas pipeline and yes she drew record crowds to her events and for the most part did her job as the McCain campaign envisioned it-parroting McCain’s talking points. She also beat Biden in her debate and gave a convention speech worthy of Reagan. Not a bad debut for somebody thrust into the national political scene without much preparation.
technopeasant on November 29, 2008 at 1:21 AM
lol! Good one, Noneya!
Shelby on November 29, 2008 at 1:23 AM
I’m with William F. Buckley on Ivy League cred. Still waiting for the Harvard bums heading up The One’s economic team to explain the bailout, whdere the money’s going, and what it is going to accomplish.
chunderroad on November 29, 2008 at 1:24 AM
lol! Good one, Noneya!
Shelby on November 29, 2008 at 1:23 AM
chunderroad on November 29, 2008 at 1:26 AM
Dyslexic block quotes strike again!
chunderroad on November 29, 2008 at 1:27 AM
Mittens is so smart that he has at least TWO positions on every single issue. That’s just what we need.. a guy that comes off as insincere politician.
BTW, here’s a thought. We should create a thread so the rabid CHuckles and Romney fans can go and hurl insults at each other and whine about how their guy was the awesomest and would have won the general election. The entertainment value would be good and perhaps they’d allow the grown-ups to have an intelligent discussion.
Illinidiva on November 29, 2008 at 1:34 AM
It’s debatable who won the VP debate. One thing in which I was totally appalled, was when Biden was emotional speaking about the car accident that killed his wife and severely injured his son. Palin, rather than looking at him and showing a hint of respect and empathy, instead just looked forward with her head down a bit and seemingly with a slight smirk on her face!!!! I guess Simple Sarah’s trainers failed to explain to her that should a heartfelt touching situation arise during the debate, SHE SHOULD SHOW A LITTLE RESPECT AND DECENCY! Even O’Reilly’s body language expert commented on Sarah’s behavior during this part of the debate. Talk about COLD! Simple and COLD!
Shelby on November 29, 2008 at 1:35 AM
Hey, you left off these biggies:
-sports reporter for KTUU-TV, KTVA-TV, and the Mat-Su Valley Frontiersman
-a semester at Hawaii Pacific College
-a couple semesters at North Idaho Community College
-three semesters at the University of Idaho
-a couple semesters at Matanuska-Susitna Community College
-a few more semester at the University of Idaho
-extensive executive experience as mayor of Wasilla
-failed campaign for Lieutenant Governor
-appointed to AK Oil & Gas Conservation Commission (then resigned)
-and of course my personal favorite: director of “Ted Stevens Excellence in Public Service, Inc.”
benny shakar on November 29, 2008 at 1:35 AM
I don’t worship any human being. You’re confusing your Barbie Doll Playhouse with humanity and those of us who are human and not plastic.
S on November 29, 2008 at 1:39 AM
Have you discussed drug therapies with a physician lately?
If not, I encourage you to make an appointment, show up for it and then ask to be evaluated as to your cognition, state of mind and overall psychology.
S on November 29, 2008 at 1:40 AM
Ooooo, classy there, chunderroad!
So you somehow know which gender I am???!!! You’re an assuming idiot!
Shelby on November 29, 2008 at 1:42 AM
Ha!!!!! That rocks!
Shelby on November 29, 2008 at 1:44 AM
No I said professional experience not political. Reagan makes Palin look like a joke:
Sarah Palin
Age: 44
Religion:
- Pentecostal
Education:
- B.S. Journalism, University of Idaho, 1987
Political Experience:
- Former Council Member, Wasilla City Council, Alaska, 1992-1996
- Former Mayor, Wasilla City, Alaska, 1996-2002 (pop: 6,715)
- Governor, Alaska, 2006-present (1+1/2 years) (pop: 670,053)
Professional Experience:
- First Place, Miss Wasilla Beauty Contest, 1984
- Second Place, Miss Alaska Pageant, 1984
- Television Sports Reporter, 1987-1989
Ronald Reagan:
Age: 70 (When Elected President)
Religion:
- Presbyterian
Education:
- B.A. Economics and Sociology, Eureka College
Political Experience:
- Governor, California, 1966-1974 (8 years) (pop: 19,953,134)
Professional Experience:
- Actor, 1937-1965
- President, Screen Actors Guild, 1947-1952, 1959-1960
- Second Lieutenant, United States Army Reserve, 1935-1942
- Captain, United States Army Air Force, 1942-1945
Poptech on November 29, 2008 at 1:45 AM
I agree about Romney and Petraeus being “smart” but that’s a terribly simple and intellectually immature thing to write about anyone, as is also the rest of what you wrote (there and previously).
That last sentence you wrote is cruel and unusual because it reveals how little you respect other voters. The biggest appeal about Ronald Reagan, for example, to counter your “I Need Superman” fantasy was his appeal to the individual, and why he was deemed “the great communicator”: because individuals “felt” that they were being individually represented by Reagan in government, that he spoke for the ordinary man, that he was, indeed, “just like us.”
Romney’s one handicap is that he does not connect on an interpersonal level WITH SOME who suspect him for that (whether that’s ‘real’ or not, not the issue, but that that’s the complaint from some about him, that he’s “distant” or such, in their experience).
Why are you denigrating others for opinions here? You’re doing a rotten job of advocating FOR Romney/Patraeus, and what I conclude is your intent is to ruin them by your bad example. Which is the tactic of the Left and was and is clearly noted by many of us on the internet for a while now. You play-act and pretend in promoting certain candidates, offend nearly everyone else and what you accomplish is setting your charade of a bad example in pretensive support for certain GOP candidates.
Romney AND Patraeus are not so easily sold down a river.
S on November 29, 2008 at 1:47 AM
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