Zogby on 2012: Palin leads among Republicans, Romney leads among all voters
posted at 4:30 pm on November 28, 2008 by Allahpundit
Check that: Romney barely leads among all voters, within the margin of error. But here’s evidence, in case more was needed, of how sharply conservatives’ view of the ‘Cuda diverges from America’s. Among Republicans, it’s Palin 24.4, Mitt 18.1, Jindal 15.6; among everyone, Mitt 13.7, Palin 13.4, Jindal 12.5.
What happened to Huck, who was in the thick of things when Gallup recently asked a similar question? Palin happened to Huck:
Among Republicans, she gets the support of 30% of Born-Again Christians, 32% of weekly churchgoers, 34% of National Rifle Association members, 28% of current gun owners and 29% of self-identified conservatives. More GOP support comes from 32% of blue collar workers, 30% who shop weekly at Wal-Mart, 28% of NASCAR fans and 25% of both those with children under 17 and those with family members in the military…
Palin looks to be stealing Huckabee’s thunder among Republican religious conservatives and working class voters. Huckabee is an ordained Southern Baptist minister, and his highest GOP totals still come from Born-Again Christians (15%) and weekly churchgoers (18%), but those numbers are about half of those drawn by Palin. Despite his populist economic message, he wins only 10% of blue collar Republicans.
There’s your explanation for why he’s been taking shots at her lately, in case it wasn’t already clear. Interesting to see Jindal’s numbers so high, though, given how comparatively low his profile is and how poorly he fared in the Gallup poll. As another young rock-star “future of the party” governor, I wonder if he isn’t peeling votes away from Palin among people who’ve soured on her for whatever reason. Exit invitation: Go ahead and tell me that the only reason she polls so much lower among all voters is because Democrats fear her. You know you want to.
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V15J: as to SP saying ‘she hadn’t given much thought to Iraq’ that ‘s like a star defensive linebacker who is going to be moved to offense as the starting fullback the next season asked by the press at the start of next year’s training camp what his take on playing offense is and he says: “To now I haven’t given much thought to offense, either blocking assignments or running with the ball.”
technopeasant on November 28, 2008 at 10:17 PM
Because of this the Governor of Alaska is also the only governor that receives regular top secret national security briefings.
kcewa on November 28, 2008 at 10:17 PM
Romney/Jindal ’12
iamse7en on November 28, 2008 at 10:18 PM
Palin has no economic education or experience, conservatives voting for her are clueless. There is no competition between her and Romney.
Sarah Palin
Age: 44
Education:
- B.S. Journalism, University of Idaho, 1987
Political Experience:
- Former Council Member, Wasilla City Council, Alaska, 1992-1996
- Former Mayor, Wasilla City, Alaska, 1996-2002 (pop: 6,715)
- Governor, Alaska, 2006-present (pop: 670,053)
Professional Experience:
- First Place, Miss Wasilla Beauty Contest, 1984
- Second Place, Miss Alaska Pageant, 1984
- Television Sports Reporter, 1987-1989
Mitt Romney:
Age: 60
Education:
- B.A. Brigham Young University, 1971
- J.D. Harvard University, 1975
- M.B.A. Harvard University, 1975
Political Experience:
- Governor, Massachusetts, 2003-2007 (pop: 6,437,193)
Professional Experience:
- Vice President, Bain and Company, Incorporated, 1978-1984
- CEO, Bain Capital, Incorporated, 1984-1998
- CEO, Bain and Company, Incorporated, 1991-1993
- President, Salt Lake Winter Olympics Organizing Committee, 1999-2002
Poptech on November 28, 2008 at 10:21 PM
Palin/Romney’12
Alex Martinez on November 28, 2008 at 10:21 PM
she also receives them because of oil pipelines
joey24007 on November 28, 2008 at 10:21 PM
Yeah, I think it chafed that people were more interested in Sarah Palin and would have preferred to see the ticket reversed.
= Obama’s second term (IMO).
ddrintn on November 28, 2008 at 10:21 PM
kcewa: actually this was one of my main beefs with the McCain campaign-that it did not broadcast this fact to boost Sarah’s credentials. Instead they highlighted Alaska’s proximity to Russia opening the door to the ‘I can see Russia’ parody of SP by Tina Fey. It’s not like it’s top secret, in a general sense.
technopeasant on November 28, 2008 at 10:23 PM
What is Romney’s opinion of the auto bailout these week?
Hey, remember when thousands of people waiting hours in the rain to hear Romney speak during the primaries … that was awesome!
joey24007 on November 28, 2008 at 10:24 PM
All that “significant training” and “top secret national security briefings” – and the best she can come up with is:
Continent First!
Palin/Bachmann 2012
benny shakar on November 28, 2008 at 10:25 PM
The McCain campaign people in charge of “rolling out” Palin should never be allowed within 1000 ft. of a future GOP candidate’s campaign
they shouldn’t be allowed to supervise a candidate for city council
joey24007 on November 28, 2008 at 10:25 PM
That is actually a fact Salt
because of her closeness to Russia, she does in fact receive military briefings
If you actually studied the connection between these two things you would see the connection
Ready?
1. Alaska is near Russia
2. Russia is still considered a military threat
3. The Governor of Alaska receives military briefings to counter this
See, its not that hard salt
Of course … Obama feels that the nation of Georgia is more of a threat than Russia
and Salt, this is not the Georgia where the Atlanta Falcons play football
joey24007 on November 28, 2008 at 10:29 PM
Still not as bad as Obama’s vision of all those Arabic speakers in Afghanistan.
ddrintn on November 28, 2008 at 10:31 PM
joey24007: I agree with you-that was awesome, but as I will allow SP time to rehabilitate her image I will be magnanimous enough to also grant the same opportunity to Mitt Romney. Let’s resolve instead to assail entities to which we should be opposed: Obama, the Democrats, George Soros, Daily Kos, ACORN, the MSM and Obama’s associations: Ayres, Dohrn, Wright, Rezko and Khalidi.
technopeasant on November 28, 2008 at 10:32 PM
Sorry Joey, but I ain’t buying it. I’m not one of you Palin fanboys who hadn’t even heard of her before 3 months ago.
benny shakar on November 28, 2008 at 10:32 PM
What is Romney’s opinion of the auto bailout these week?
joey24007 on November 28, 2008 at 10:24 PM
The same as it was during the Michigan primary if you actually read everything he said, as well as his recent article and don’t just go by selectively edited quotes. The 20 billion was to be spent on research, and not given to the auto companies. He still supports that.
That said, I’ll support Palin if she’s the best candidate in 2012. We’ll see when we get there.
thecountofincognito on November 28, 2008 at 10:35 PM
Off-topic, but aren’t you the guy I asked to enlighten me on Obama’s scholarly achievements? Care to go into greater detail now, that you have a little time? I’ll be waiting…
ddrintn on November 28, 2008 at 10:35 PM
I liked Romney better than any one else running in the primaries, but he has zero chance of winning. As VP for Palin he might be able to then move onto the Presidency as people see he is actually…
1. Conservative and
2. Not the seed of Satan
On his own, it would be a massacre.
sharrukin on November 28, 2008 at 10:37 PM
I knew about her long before that … but hey … whatever you say bro
joey24007 on November 28, 2008 at 10:39 PM
No, your an Obama fanboy. Why would any sane conservative care what you thought? Liberals, or progressives as you like to call yourselves now, are not exactly on speaking terms with the truth.
sharrukin on November 28, 2008 at 10:40 PM
true true … I remember that
these trolls always seem to disappear when the “going gets tough” so to speak
when the questions gets tough, the trolls get going
joey24007 on November 28, 2008 at 10:41 PM
benny shakar: It was the McCain campaign that locked her into that premise and position when they unveiled her. Remember at the time SP had just signed on to the ‘McCain team’. She had to go along for the ride and do what she was told. Only later did she break out (called by some going rogue) but the damage had already been done, especially by Tina Fey on SNL who took it a step forward by saying “I can see Russia from my house.” (implying that was the extent of her foreign affairs experience). Again benny shakar SP never said this. The McCain campaign screwed up big time by asserting Russia’s proximity to Alaska gave SP foreign affairs credentials.
technopeasant on November 28, 2008 at 10:41 PM
Reagan’s War: The Epic Story of His Forty-Year Struggle and Final Triumph Over Communism by Peter Schweizer
In the Face of Evil – Reagan’s War in Word and Deed
Send_Me on November 28, 2008 at 10:41 PM
ddrin-tin-tin:
My friend, if you need “enlightenment” on President-elect Obama’s scholarly achievements, I fear you may be a lost cause.
I mean, even Dumbya knows how to use “the Google.”
benny shakar on November 28, 2008 at 10:41 PM
i voted for Mitt … still have the campaign sign I purchased from his campaign
good man but I don’t know about his future
would make the perfect VP candidate for a younger Republican though
joey24007 on November 28, 2008 at 10:42 PM
Reagan’s war is an awesome book
joey24007 on November 28, 2008 at 10:42 PM
the way Reagan used radio to infiltrate eastern europe was genius
joey24007 on November 28, 2008 at 10:43 PM
Salt Shaker … please tell us about Obama’s college career
joey24007 on November 28, 2008 at 10:44 PM
I’d imagine mccain appreciated the comedic relief palin provided, putting an end to the late-night “john mccain is so old…” jokes.
benny shakar on November 28, 2008 at 10:45 PM
joey24007 on November 28, 2008 at 10:42 PM
As long as they let him loose trimming down the waste in the Federal government, I don’t care who gets credit or where he is on the ticket.
thecountofincognito on November 28, 2008 at 10:46 PM
you are in luck salt shakar
I’m going to post Obama’s legislative and executive achievements for you:
1.
2.
3.
4. Stapled flyer into telephone pole
5.
WOW… this is one accomplished guy huh
joey24007 on November 28, 2008 at 10:47 PM
agreed
joey24007 on November 28, 2008 at 10:48 PM
joey24007 on November 28, 2008 at 10:47 PM
You forgot the time he pulled down his opponent’s flyer and then got them kicked off the ballot.
thecountofincognito on November 28, 2008 at 10:49 PM
Same as it was before:
Let Detroit Go Bankrupt (The New York Times)
Poptech on November 28, 2008 at 10:49 PM
Who would you hire to run your multi-million dollar company? Palin or Romney? Seriously, this is not even close with anyone in the business world. Suggesting Romney as VP to Palin must be some sort of joke. Palin couldn’t run a lemonade stand, let alone the country.
Poptech on November 28, 2008 at 10:55 PM
Let Detroit Go Bankrupt
Poptech on November 28, 2008 at 10:49 PM
Should have happened years ago. Unions are the ruin of this great country.
Alex Martinez on November 28, 2008 at 10:55 PM
Palin couldn’t run a lemonade stand, let alone the country.
Poptech on November 28, 2008 at 10:55 PM
And Romney couldn’t even get the nod for Pres.
Alex Martinez on November 28, 2008 at 10:57 PM
I don’t know there … Romney is pretty good but Palin has done a nice job of running the Alaskan “multimillion dollar” company
How is Romney’s health care plan working out? Seems like somebody should “review those books” huh?
no she doesn’t run a lemonade stand … she runs Alaska
joey24007 on November 28, 2008 at 10:58 PM
If the auto industry needed a bailout during the time Romney was trying win Michigan, there is no chance he would have written his recent column advocating bankruptcy. This is based on his complete 180 position changes on gun rights, immigration, abortion, gay rights and campaign finance.
If Romney were consistent and had held his current positions throughout his career, he’d be credible.
V15J on November 28, 2008 at 11:00 PM
I agree, and I think it illustrates a larger issue with the McC campaign; they tried to nake her stay ‘on topic’ by discussing McCain’s record on foreign policy and the war on terror. They had no clue how (justifiably) angry people were about the pre-surge mismanagement of the war in Iraq.
It didn’t matter to people that McCain was for the surge or that he criticized Rumsfeld, they were so angry that everytime they heard “Iraq” they couldn’t wait to pull the lever for Obama.
kcewa on November 28, 2008 at 11:00 PM
Poptech: if SP had not only balanced Alaska’s budgets but also accrued surpluses while in office I would agree with you. But I thought the first purpose of business was to make a profit and to run a prudent, lean operation. SP has passed that test with flying colors.
technopeasant on November 28, 2008 at 11:00 PM
Romney for CEO!
And Steve Guftason for janitor as he does a very good job, which I can vouch for.
Palin for President. The Presidency isn’t a corporation and it isn’t run on business principles nor should it be.
Until Romney can provide some proof he isn’t a RINO then he can go pound salt.
sharrukin on November 28, 2008 at 11:05 PM
Here is your Romneycare
http://www.cato.org/pubs/policy_report/v30n1/cpr30n1-1.html
V15J on November 28, 2008 at 11:06 PM
Reagan understood the nature of warfare, a trait that is rare in a politician. Neither President Bush understood it. Clinton hadn’t a clue. McCain doesn’t get it. Obama certainly does not. Tanks, ships, and planes aren’t the only weapons of war. Reagan had a holistic foreign policy, and actually led by it, which is something that none of his successors nor predecessors since Eisenhower have had.
Send_Me on November 28, 2008 at 11:07 PM
I’d prefer to read it from you. Got something? Anything?
ddrintn on November 28, 2008 at 11:08 PM
Reagan used to be Pro-Choice and he was for amnesty (as president).
Poptech on November 28, 2008 at 11:08 PM
ROTFLOL!
What a great graphic!
Consider that bad boy stolen. ;o)
kakypat on November 28, 2008 at 11:09 PM
Hawaii tried something with health care too … went bankrupt in a couple of months
joey24007 on November 28, 2008 at 11:10 PM
Bill Gates for President! :D
ddrintn on November 28, 2008 at 11:10 PM
kcewa 11:00 PM: I think that the McCain campaign saw SP as an appendage to McCain and did not bother to flesh out a resume for her that would better enhance her credentials. That was a crucial mistake and might have made a difference if it wasn’t for the financial meltdown and bailout. This economic catastrophe, I believe, trumped everything and turned the voters irrevocably against the McCain-Palin ticket. We just didn’t know it at the time.
technopeasant on November 28, 2008 at 11:10 PM
chunderroad on November 28, 2008 at 11:10 PM
I supported Romney in the primary after it became clear that Thompson started too late. But we have to be honest:
1. The positions he took during his campaigns in Massachusetts were too far from the positions he took in 2008. Rank and file conservatives are never going to vote for him. And a Republican can’t win without those votes.
2. His work with Bain capital was to buy companies and turn their STOCK PRICE around in as short a time as possible so they could be sold for a profit. That type of short sighted mismanagement badly damaged our competitiveness.
kcewa on November 28, 2008 at 11:12 PM
AIRED:
<<>>
What was ACTUALLY said:
<<>>
Hmm, that’s pretty bad editing.
On, Russia:
AIRED:
<<>>
What was actually said:
<<< GIBSON: Let me ask you about some specific national security situations.
PALIN: Sure.
GIBSON: Let’s start, because we are near Russia, let’s start with Russia and Georgia.
The administration has said we’ve got to maintain the territorial integrity of Georgia. Do you believe the United States should try to restore Georgian sovereignty over South Ossetia and Abkhazia?
PALIN: First off, we’re going to continue good relations with Saakashvili there. I was able to speak with him the other day and giving him my commitment, as John McCain’s running mate, that we will be committed to Georgia. And we’ve got to keep an eye on Russia. For Russia to have exerted such pressure in terms of invading a smaller democratic country, unprovoked, is unacceptable and we have to keep…
GIBSON: You believe unprovoked.
PALIN: I do believe unprovoked and we have got to keep our eyes on Russia, under the leadership there. I think it was unfortunate. That manifestation that we saw with that invasion of Georgia shows us some steps backwards that Russia has recently taken away from the race toward a more democratic nation with democratic ideals. That’s why we have to keep an eye on Russia.
And, Charlie, you’re in Alaska. We have that very narrow maritime border between the United States, and the 49th state, Alaska, and Russia. They are our next door neighbors.We need to have a good relationship with them. They’re very, very important to us and they are our next door neighbor.
GIBSON: What insight into Russian actions, particularly in the last couple of weeks, does the proximity of the state give you?
PALIN: They’re our next door neighbors and you can actually see Russia from land here in Alaska, from an island in Alaska.
GIBSON: What insight does that give you into what they’re doing in Georgia?
PALIN: Well, I’m giving you that perspective of how small our world is and how important it is that we work with our allies to keep good relation with all of these countries, especially Russia. We will not repeat a Cold War. We must have good relationship with our allies, pressuring, also, helping us to remind Russia that it’s in their benefit, also, a mutually beneficial relationship for us all to be getting along.
chunderroad on November 28, 2008 at 11:12 PM
wow … are you Mitt Romney himself?
Reagan was never “pro-choice” …
CBSNews.com: But the Romney people would argue that Ronald Reagan, whom you served as political director and campaign manager, changed his positions.
Ed Rollins: Let me tell you the Ronald Reagan story. The Ronald Reagan story which they have used over and over again is totally untrue. First of all, Roe vs. Wade had not occurred yet [during his early years as governor]. Ronald Reagan was never pro-choice.
Ronald Reagan signed a law that allowed women who had had psychiatric damage and were suicidal to have an abortion. He thought it was about maybe 300 a year, which is what he was told. You know, it turned out to be a very significant abortion bill because a lot of women just went and got a sign off from a psychiatrist.
Ronald Reagan was opposed to that from day one. He was very upset about that. So I mean I find real fault with Romney basically saying, “Ronald Reagan did this. Ronald Reagan did that.” I mean I remember him basically saying he wasn’t for Ronald Reagan. He belittled Ronald Reagan in ’94 when he ran against Kennedy.
joey24007 on November 28, 2008 at 11:13 PM
I am no fan of his health care plan but the one that the liberal congress approved was very different then the one he suggested:
The Massachusetts legislature made a number of changes to Governor Romney’s original Health Care proposal.
Romney Vetoed Eight Sections of the Health Care Legislation, including:
- Romney Vetoed providing dental benefits to poor residents on the Medicaid program
- Romney Vetoed providing health coverage to senior and disabled legal immigrants not eligible for federal Medicaid
- Romney Vetoed expanding MassHealth (Medicaid) coverage to low-income children
- Romney Vetoed restoring funding for public health programs
- Romney Vetoed adding a provision charging firms with 11 or more workers that do not provide “fair and reasonable” health coverage to their workers
All Eight Vetoes Were Overturned
The legislature also rejected Governor Romney’s proposal to permit even higher-deductible, lower benefit health plans.
Poptech on November 28, 2008 at 11:13 PM
Benny – quoting something out of context and using the lack of context to purposely mislead readers is dishonest. You lose credibility on any further assertions you make.
When this quote is read in context it make sense. Gibson was specifically asking her about Russia. She mentioned the proximity because while a person in the East Coast might be concerned about Russia – Russia’s aggressions (past & present) are of much greater concern to an Alaskan due to the proximity. Would you chide Governor Perry or Governor Richardson if they voiced their concerns about illegal immigrants due to the proximity to Mexico?
Be honest – it can’t hurt you.
batterup on November 28, 2008 at 11:14 PM
The comparison between the Obama and Palin transcripts is so laughable, too.
chunderroad on November 28, 2008 at 11:14 PM
Well Oklahoma City has as many people as AK… and mayor Mick Cornett has been in office for 4 years (as opposed to palin’s 20 months). He also has a tv journalism degree.
Why aren’t you people supporting Mick Cornett for President in 2012?
benny shakar on November 28, 2008 at 11:14 PM
Reagan used to be Pro-Choice and he was for amnesty (as president).
Poptech on November 28, 2008 at 11:08 PM
And he didn’t bomb the sh*# out of the Labonese when they deserved it!
Alex Martinez on November 28, 2008 at 11:15 PM
In addition to what Joey posted about Reagan and abortion. Here is another comparing Romney’s abortion stance with Reagan’s.
http://www.renewamerica.us/columns/huston/070820
V15J on November 28, 2008 at 11:17 PM
I don’t know the guy, but he’s probably a better choice than Obama.
By the way, I take it that Obama’s scholarly achievements are nil.
ddrintn on November 28, 2008 at 11:18 PM
Bull-loney
If Romney gets the nomination, Bambi gets 8 years—
GARUNTEED -quote me on it
If it is Sarah, we might eek one out and save the Nation.
God help us all.
John The Baptist on November 28, 2008 at 11:18 PM
so tell us why the libs and dems wanted Howard Dean to be President ….
joey24007 on November 28, 2008 at 11:20 PM
You need to do your homework
Reagan Reluctantly Signs Bill Easing Abortions (The New York Times)
Poptech on November 28, 2008 at 11:20 PM
How about the classic … “I don’t want to go back to Reagan-Bush”
joey24007 on November 28, 2008 at 11:21 PM
I support the Reagan brand of conservatism. However, in 2008 I think GOP candidates should support the broad principles that Reagan outlined in his speeches regarding freedom, liberty and opportunity and not focus so heavily on every decision that Reagan made or did not make. Even Winston Churchill had blemishes on his record.
technopeasant on November 28, 2008 at 11:21 PM
wow … did you not read what was posted from Ed Rollins … he addresses this
joey24007 on November 28, 2008 at 11:22 PM
Probably true. The republican party can never win if the election focuses on economic insecurity.
If they had let Palin focus in a positive way on social issues, and link those to policies to promote strong families, they would have had a chance, though. In times of insecurity people turn to family or government.
kcewa on November 28, 2008 at 11:23 PM
I love the hypocrissy with people trying to defend Reagan signing a law making it easier to have abortions in Cali, yet Romney never signed any law making abortions easier (despite the propaganda).
Poptech on November 28, 2008 at 11:25 PM
Why aren’t you people supporting Mick Cornett for President in 2012?
benny shakar on November 28, 2008 at 11:14 PM
thomasaur on November 28, 2008 at 11:25 PM
I think your the one who needs to do your homework.
Do you even read your own sources?
(June 14) — “This morning, he (Reagan) said he discovered that the amendments, made more than a week ago, did not meet all his objections. He said he was concerned that a mother who believe she might give birth to a deformed child would be able to have an abortion on the grounds that her mental health was threatened. The Governor also said he favored a residency requirement and tighter language to prevent small hospitals from being established just for abortions.” (Last-minute attempts to include these amendments were defeated, yet Reagan, in what is in hindsight an error in judgment, signed. — Ed.)
sharrukin on November 28, 2008 at 11:25 PM
I don’t know about that … the Republican candidate can usually talk about the economy, McCain can’t
plus McCain is not exactly a supply-side conservative either
joey24007 on November 28, 2008 at 11:25 PM
dude
are you even reading the things that are being posted to your Romney propaganda?
joey24007 on November 28, 2008 at 11:27 PM
I agree that he wasn’t the best candidate. But if you’re talking about economic policy duringa recession or crisis the dems can always peomise a check and deliver it tomorrow. Bad policy, yes, but during a crisis it will win a lot of votes.
kcewa on November 28, 2008 at 11:31 PM
probably right about that
joey24007 on November 28, 2008 at 11:32 PM
Romney / Petraeus 2012 !!!
Shelby on November 28, 2008 at 11:33 PM
The point I’m trying to make is this:
Does anyone really think that conservative economic policies are going to sell well during a recession? Or that the public support for conservative foreign policy principles hasn’t been damaged by the administration’s pre-surge mismanagement of the Iraq war?
My point here is not that we should move away from those policies and principles but that, in the current situation, for the Republican Party to do ANYTHING to distance itself from social/cultural conservatives would be folly. Why do you think the liberal media is recommending it?
kcewa on November 28, 2008 at 11:33 PM
Bunny shaker, even the New York Times says the job of Governor of Alaska is one of the harder, and more powerful, jobs in state government.
When they say, “from managing a $5 billion budget surplus in a time of economic distress elsewhere,” it is not sufficiently made clear that this surplus was from Palin’s years as Governor, despite the dividend checks she sent out.
The Times doesn’t add to this statement: “Alaska’s economic well-being — sustained, as most things are here, by oil and federal spending — has allowed Ms. Palin to avoid some of the tough budgetary choices vexing governors in dozens of other states.” That when oil is as low as it is now, Alaska must adjust its budget, and Sarah Palin anticipated this.
You can review the state budget online.
The Times finally makes its point: “It raises questions for some people about how much her experience is relevant to the rest of the nation and how much she can relate to the troubles of struggling blue-collar workers in places like Ohio and Pennsylvania, worried about the winter gas bills and the mortgage.”
Are gas prices cheaper and heating bills lower in PA and OH than in Alaska? You know the answer to that, Bunny Shaker.
In the same paragraph, the Times compares Alaska to NIGERIA rather than the lower 48 and points out that citizens get a $1200 check. Journalistic integrity? This is one of the more flattering NYT articles on Gov. Palin.
chunderroad on November 28, 2008 at 11:34 PM
The woman is absolutely toxic to all constituencies outside of creationists and christianists and oogling old white guys, to nominate her in 2012 would be party suicide.
Noneya on November 28, 2008 at 11:36 PM
joey24007: even if Milton Friedman were running for the GOP this time I don’t believe the GOP would have won. The hatred of George Bush, Iraq, the economic meltdown, the charisma of Obama, and the MSM in the tank 24/7 onslaught to destroy the GOP ticket was too much to overcome. Take away the economic meltdown and temper that with a fairly balanced press John and Sarah would have had barely a fighting chance. Simply, the odds were not in favor of the GOP this election cycle.
technopeasant on November 28, 2008 at 11:36 PM
Who the devil cares about stupid polls like this now anyway?
It is four freaking years until the next Presidential election. And despite the wishful thinking of millions the new guy hasn’t even taken office yet.
This election cycle was bad enough with 0bama starting his run two years before the election; in reality, if not officially, before he even started trying to pretend to be a Senator. Lets at least get through the next year before we start arguing who we want to try to elect next time.
LegendHasIt on November 28, 2008 at 11:37 PM
Alaska has the 2nd most powerful gov’nah
http://www.stateline.org/live/details/story?contentId=187648
joey24007 on November 28, 2008 at 11:37 PM
yes, I’m aware of this
joey24007 on November 28, 2008 at 11:38 PM
Take away the “meltdown”, add a balanced press and McCain would have won handily.
ddrintn on November 28, 2008 at 11:38 PM
Do you have anything to say about banning books, outlawing abortions, Michael Vick, eating all your vegetables, cuddly wolves or Sarah Palin’s medical records (“Come on, girl. What are you hidin’? Tell Whoopi. You got a lizard tail, honey child?”) Gov. Sarah Palin wants to bring back slavery?
Speak now or forever hold your piece.
chunderroad on November 28, 2008 at 11:38 PM
Its funny, isn’t it? That’s why I enjoy this place… so many people willing to present bold opinions, unencumbered by the thought process. :)
benny shakar on November 28, 2008 at 11:38 PM
play it again Sam
joey24007 on November 28, 2008 at 11:38 PM
You must have secured a weekend pass eh ?
joey24007 on November 28, 2008 at 11:39 PM
Exactly! Someone mentioned McCain as an example of supposed electability. But McCain was slightly ahead of Obama PRIOR to putting Palin on his ticket. Then, as you say, once she was on the ticket and people got to know the REAL SCARY SARAH, her unfavorables were high and Simple Sarah tanked McCain.
Shelby on November 28, 2008 at 11:41 PM
So we need to find a way to show how supporting fanilies and traditional values will increase economic security.
I think that young voters especially are open to such an argument, they’ve seen their peers hurt by the liberal attitudes toward marriage, abortion and personal responsibility.
kcewa on November 28, 2008 at 11:41 PM
that is actually a fundamentally wrong statement
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wKjxFJfcrcA
joey24007 on November 28, 2008 at 11:43 PM
And yet, a mere 3 months ago, Palin fanboys didn’t even know she existed. Political geniuses, I tell ya!
benny shakar on November 28, 2008 at 11:45 PM
Do you have a reference for that? As I remember, McCain was trailing by about 6 points before Sara Palin’s RNC speech. After that, he overtook Obama and led by about 3 or so at the time of the Lehman Brothers bankruptcy. Sarah Palin put him in the lead, pure and simple.
ddrintn on November 28, 2008 at 11:46 PM
So … are you going to be telling us about Obama’s school records or …
whats going on here ?
joey24007 on November 28, 2008 at 11:46 PM
Yeah, except even the Log Cabin Republicans took out ads to warn that Mitt Romney is a liar. He talked trash about Reagan when he ran against Ted Kennedy in 94. He went on record in favor of gay marriage and abortions. That’s why he’s called a RINO. Real elephants have long memories.
I don’t think the party should turn on its moderates, but these people should not dictate the platform, set agendas or take leadership positions. The inevitable “blame the so-cons” routine in a losing year is wearing thin already.
chunderroad on November 28, 2008 at 11:47 PM
So? Even after just 3 months we can tell you more about Sarah Palin than you can tell us about Obama. Geniuses, I tell ya, those Obama voters.
ddrintn on November 28, 2008 at 11:47 PM
of course he doesn’t … you are asking this question to a dude who spends all day here trying to convince us that Trig is not Palin’s kid
joey24007 on November 28, 2008 at 11:48 PM
It takes someone reallllly special to lower the bar set by Dan Quayle.
Noneya on November 28, 2008 at 11:49 PM
Shelby 11:41 PM: I might agree with you if it weren’t for the financial meltdown and that McCain received 59.4m votes (45.9%)- 2.6m fewer votes than Bush did in 2004. If Sarah hurt the McCain so badly, McCain would have fallen below 40% in the vote and the GOP would have lost in a landslide. Most independent pundits after the election credited Sarah with increasing McCain’s vote total by about 5-6%.
technopeasant on November 28, 2008 at 11:50 PM
In which case I would assume that Democratic flunkies inside and outside the party structure would be praising her to the skies, wanting her to be the nominee in 2012 more than those ignorant conservatives. That doesn’t seem to be happening. That sort of blather is just trying to convince one’s self.
ddrintn on November 28, 2008 at 11:50 PM
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