Zogby on 2012: Palin leads among Republicans, Romney leads among all voters
posted at 4:30 pm on November 28, 2008 by Allahpundit
Check that: Romney barely leads among all voters, within the margin of error. But here’s evidence, in case more was needed, of how sharply conservatives’ view of the ‘Cuda diverges from America’s. Among Republicans, it’s Palin 24.4, Mitt 18.1, Jindal 15.6; among everyone, Mitt 13.7, Palin 13.4, Jindal 12.5.
What happened to Huck, who was in the thick of things when Gallup recently asked a similar question? Palin happened to Huck:
Among Republicans, she gets the support of 30% of Born-Again Christians, 32% of weekly churchgoers, 34% of National Rifle Association members, 28% of current gun owners and 29% of self-identified conservatives. More GOP support comes from 32% of blue collar workers, 30% who shop weekly at Wal-Mart, 28% of NASCAR fans and 25% of both those with children under 17 and those with family members in the military…
Palin looks to be stealing Huckabee’s thunder among Republican religious conservatives and working class voters. Huckabee is an ordained Southern Baptist minister, and his highest GOP totals still come from Born-Again Christians (15%) and weekly churchgoers (18%), but those numbers are about half of those drawn by Palin. Despite his populist economic message, he wins only 10% of blue collar Republicans.
There’s your explanation for why he’s been taking shots at her lately, in case it wasn’t already clear. Interesting to see Jindal’s numbers so high, though, given how comparatively low his profile is and how poorly he fared in the Gallup poll. As another young rock-star “future of the party” governor, I wonder if he isn’t peeling votes away from Palin among people who’ve soured on her for whatever reason. Exit invitation: Go ahead and tell me that the only reason she polls so much lower among all voters is because Democrats fear her. You know you want to.
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Yes, I heard it on Rush’s show. And It got me thinking, just how was Palin uninformed Babwah Wahwah? I would really like to know just what was Palin uninformed about.
You have Katie low ratings show us your colon Couric with the template of ambush malfeasance journalism asking leading questions that no matter how you answer, it’s wrong. When Palin is interviewed by less hostile journalist, you hear the intelligence and conviction in her values and beliefs. When I listened to the difference between the interviews, I am appalled and angered by the one sided trip-you-up questions.
You don’t see Joe Biden getting these questions and we know Joe is the most uninformed and unintelligent as senators go. And where is Greasy Joe these days? Watching so called journalist gush up to leftist politicians reminds me of how badly they want a blue dress.
Just like Obama selectively chooses which questions he’ll take from a list of preferred journalist at his staged news conferences, our side should do the same and be selective to standards of good journalism. Rather than cult of personality journalism.
Kini on November 28, 2008 at 6:21 PM
You too, what evidence do you have of this statement?
I am all for a new face on the GOP. However, Jindal is dull.
At least Palin has got a sense of humor.
kcarpenter on November 28, 2008 at 6:21 PM
I pay pretty close attention and I have been wondering the same thing. He’s been the Gov. of LA for less time than Palin also. Not slandering the guy but please enlighten me if you could.
thomasaur on November 28, 2008 at 6:24 PM
Damnit AP, quit stirring the pot! Let the Palin fans believe what they want, even a non fan like me concedes that she’d need a miracle to do worse than McCain.
abobo on November 28, 2008 at 6:25 PM
I would like to offer one bit of advice to HA readers and GOP supporters. Please let us resolve not to be presumptuous and attack anybody on the basis of inexperience who decides to compete in the next Presidential primaries. Why not let the voters decide for themselves? And anyway there will be enough members of the MSM to take potshots.
technopeasant on November 28, 2008 at 6:32 PM
This isn’t about Palin vs. Romney. It’s about Romney trying to read the conservative movement out of the Republican party.
kcewa on November 28, 2008 at 6:34 PM
Go ahead and tell me that the only reason she polls so much lower among all voters…
Among all voters Romney leads at 13.7% and Palin is second among Republicans at 13.4%. In other words, no Republican is polling well right now. And in any event that’s hardly a significant difference. Its really unworthy of any note at all.
It should be no surprise that Republican candidates poll low now. We are only a bit over 3 weeks since an historic slaughter of Republicans nationwide.
Dwilkers on November 28, 2008 at 6:36 PM
And of course that Slime Job had nothing at all to do with that. Nosiree. But the segment of the population engaged in Obama worship isn’t really a target anyway. Those with at least half a brain are.
ddrintn on November 28, 2008 at 6:39 PM
re: Joe Biden…. someone else noted it but I agreee he is the Ted Baxter of politics… for you young people see
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ted_Baxter
Jamson64 on November 28, 2008 at 6:43 PM
Read Jindal’s blog to get a sense of what the guy is accomplishing.
Also, if humor is so important to you kcarpenter, check this video out of Jindal’s appearance with Leno.
Here is an interesting piece on Jindal by Esquire.
jencab on November 28, 2008 at 6:44 PM
closed primaries? Anyone.
Crux Australis on November 28, 2008 at 6:47 PM
Don’t you think on September 4, the day after SP gave her fantastic convention speech, that in the darkest recesses of NYC or Washington that Obama’s merry men or women were conspiring with the head honchos of the MSM to map out a deliberate, nefarious strategy how to drive up SP’s unfavorables by pounding her 24/7 and making her look like a buffoon? On balance they did not succeed as well as they wanted, but alas it was good enough.
technopeasant on November 28, 2008 at 6:48 PM
…tell me something…so long as we’re tossing brickbats about, vetting someone’s resume when we’re actually trashing their reputations, tell me what makes Ms. Walters qualified to judge the qualifications of any serving or aspiring politician? Did she attend a course?
…she’s entitled to her opinion — and, has been making a tidy living selling that opinion — but many others have theirs….
…beyond social intercourse (and, evidently, early on, horizontal intercourse), she’s no more informed than any of the rest of us….
…so, let the voters decide….
Puritan1648 on November 28, 2008 at 6:49 PM
Wow, you guys are cruel. This woman hasn’t been through enough international abuse and humiliation and you want to put her through more?
alex342 on November 28, 2008 at 6:51 PM
The MSM will attempt to smear anyone that is a true conservative.
Which explains why the MSM loved McCain when they wanted to and why McCain was so needy and wanting to be their BFF.
With friends like the MSM, who needs journalism.
Kini on November 28, 2008 at 6:53 PM
cheers to women who make it in politics
without riding on the coattails of
their HUSBANDS!
go go go cuda!
tamtam20 on November 28, 2008 at 6:53 PM
Puritan1648: the key word that Rush Limbaugh in discussing BW’s opinion of SP was ‘template’. Before we change opinions we have to change the ‘template’. That is why this should be the number one priority for people who support Sarah, and why in an earlier post I warned supporters from discounting its importance in judging SP’s credentials to be President.
technopeasant on November 28, 2008 at 6:54 PM
A study by the Cultural Media Institute during Setember:
Network coverage of Palin has moved beyond criticism to outright ridicule. Strikingly, all three networks have repeatedly aired clips of Palin being parodied by a comedy show, NBC’s Saturday Night Live, leading to concerns that many Americans are confusing the real Palin with SNL’s figure of fun. When have comic impressions of a political figure ever qualified as hard news?
CMI reviewed network news coverage of Palin for the two weeks beginning September 29 and ending October 12, the period before and after the October 2 vice-presidential debate. We found that ABC, NBC and CBS have been stridently critical of Palin. Before the debate, the networks characterized her as a dunce whose shortcomings were dividing the GOP. After Palin laid to rest concerns about her competence by performing well in the debate, the network narrative changed: Palin became a demon, victimizing Democratic presidential nominee Barack Obama with unfair criticism
Major findings:
* Major network news shows ran 69 stories about Sarah Palin between September 29 and October 12. 37 stories were negative, just 2 were positive, and 30 were neutral. Not a single evening news show ran a positive story about Palin.
* Overall, 21 network stories portrayed Palin as unintelligent and unqualified. 8 of these stories played a total of 11 clips of Saturday Night Live ridiculing Palin. 14 segments featured the most embarrassing clips from Palin’s interview with Katie Couric.
* 9 stories emphasized attacks on Palin by conservative columnists.
* 14 stories demonized Palin as little more than John McCain’s attack dog.
* ABC was hardest on Palin, with 9 negative stories (60%), 6 neutral (40%) and no positive stories. NBC ran 15 negative stories (54%), 13 neutral (46%) and no positive stories. CBS ran 14 negative stories (54%), 10 neutral (38%) and 2 positive (8%).
Conclusion
Network coverage of Sarah Palin has been so distorted and out of balance that the public cannot trust what they’re hearing from ABC, NBC and CBS about the GOP vice-presidential nominee. The networks have been so intent on assassinating Palin’s character that they have turned for added ammunition to sources they normally ignore – conservative columnists and comedians.
Sarah Palin’s nomination changed the presidential race, creating a real threat to the media’s preferred candidate, Illinois Sen. Barack Obama. ABC, NBC and CBS have rallied to Obama’s defense by working hard to bring Palin down.
chunderroad on November 28, 2008 at 6:55 PM
chunderroad,ITA 100%!!!
And he is from Erie, PA!!! YAY talk about winning over PA again! Palin called him at the Erie Rally “the best-governor-Eh-verrrr!!!!”
ProudPalinFan on November 28, 2008 at 6:56 PM
Kini on November 28, 2008 at 6:56 PM
She polls lower with Democrats because they are the MSMs target market and are fed a constant diet of negativity about her. If that isn’t enough they know she is Pro-Life.
CCRWM on November 28, 2008 at 6:58 PM
She has three years to train for the primaries. I don’t see anyone ever getting up before dawn, driving an hour or so and waiting in line in the cold fore hours to see Romney, Jindal or Pawlenty. It is easier to prep Gov. Palin for a campaign than to wave magic wand and give any of the RINOs vying for the 2012 nomniation the charisma and sparkle Sarah Palin has.
chunderroad on November 28, 2008 at 6:59 PM
Thank God for that!
Huck would be more comfortable in Europe. They have the Christian Democrat party there.
As for Sarah, in 2012, she will most likely be in her second term as the governor of Alaska. It will be hard for anyone to tout her “inexperience” and remain credible.
kakypat on November 28, 2008 at 7:01 PM
Exactly!
Which is why most voters are easily influenced by what they see on TV. Let’s face it, they don’t read print either. But if Oprah, Dr. Phil and the View support it, then it’s follow the rest of the Lemmings.
Kini on November 28, 2008 at 7:02 PM
OH! I forgot!
Allah, Democrats fear her. ;o)
kakypat on November 28, 2008 at 7:04 PM
chunderroad: this says it all; what Sarah Palin supporters have to decide is whether they are prepare to remain naive regarding the intentions of the MSM towards SP or whether they are prepared to become actively militant towards the MSM in countering character assassination, unalloyed ridicule and unflattering parody that again will become the staple of the MSM, late-night comedians, and SNL towards SP. Your decision will go a long way to determine whether SP becomes a viable candidate for 2012.
technopeasant on November 28, 2008 at 7:05 PM
Hum…looks lie a lot of us are of the same opiniom re MSM.
CCRWM on November 28, 2008 at 7:05 PM
How do we fight back? We have Fox (sometimes) and some blogs… so what is the plan? If someone comes up with one …I’ll roll (like ex-dem)
CCRWM on November 28, 2008 at 7:08 PM
The only reason she polls lower among all voters is that Democrats fear her. You are quite right.
Aronne on November 28, 2008 at 7:08 PM
chunderoad at 6:59 PM: in football terms your coach could teach everything he knows to any player but if you don’t have the talent to perform what is being taught, even if Bill Belichick were your coach he couldn’t turn a sow’s ear into a silk purse.
technopeasant on November 28, 2008 at 7:12 PM
CCRWM AT 7:08 PM: one good move would be for a designated SP conservative supporter who has impeccable credentials with the MSM be hired by SP or her affilaites to debunk every episode of assassination, ridicule and parody when it first arises. Fred Thompson would be an ideal candidate for the job.
technopeasant on November 28, 2008 at 7:17 PM
Quoting Rush, Technopeasant wrote:
Sorry to sound like a cliche, but Rush is right!
Look at what he said. Basically the Dems and Libs are like the kid who puts his/her fingers in the ears, says, “I can’t hear you. HMMMMMHMMMMMHMMMM LaLaLaLaLa.” All the while, Sarah is saying things that make perfect sense, albeit not always artfully, but they make sense, and mostly, are rooted in fact as well.(F/E:the lefts’ trying to crucify her over her response to Gibson’s question re: Bush Doctrine…her answer, inartful, but basically spot on.)However, no matter what she says, they are going to make it their mission to discredit her and portray her as an ignorant, flawed-baby-making hickseed who wants the planet to self-destruct, and have oil companies get rich at the cost of the poor and minorities.
Now, I have said before, I am a huge fan of the Governor. In fact, I would go so far as saying I have a girl crush.
But, if she is going to run in 2012, she better have an incredible team helping to position and market her. (To y’all that don’t think that matters in politics in the 21st century: “here’s your sign”). I don’t mean make her into something she isn’t, I mean let her shine through without really dopey screw ups. No more press conferences/interviews/photo-ops in front of anything destined for the dinner table, be it turkey/moose/squirrel or soybeans being harvested by a combine excreting more than it’s share of carbon emissions.
I think her message, if it can get out without the press/left crucifying her (and they will do ev-er-y-thing they can to ensure she is destoyed)will resonate like crazy with America.
Having said that, I also agree with those who say it is too early to start debating the 2012 election. Keep in mind, the world we know could be very, very different then than it is now.
Now, I don’t HOPE, but I do FEAR that the CHANGE we’re going to see in the next four years is very, very bad mojo. If the Obama presidency is a total failure, if (I’m just sayin’)for example India and Pakistan get into a nuclear pissing match, Isreal says, “enough already”, terrorists with a dirty bomb or worse get “frisky” within our borders (oh sigh,)not to mention what could happen on the economic front, watch out!
My point is just that it is entirely possible that we haven’t even seen how far right this country could go, and quickly.
Again, I am NOT hoping, but it is not out of the realm of possibility that someone as protectionist as Pat or Bay Buchanan (hope not)become the standard bearers.
Sorry for the verbose nature of my post…
Bottom line, keep watch, keep vocal, keep praying.
Chewy the Lab on November 28, 2008 at 7:19 PM
Obama has already released a print ad countering this…
http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m122/Joey24007/n828945503_4733333_1935.jpg
joey24007 on November 28, 2008 at 7:21 PM
She has nowhere near that long. The election cycle for 2008 started in January 2006 when the candidates first filed. Assuming a similar timeline next election, she has 14 months at most- maybe less.
Hollowpoint on November 28, 2008 at 7:22 PM
It took me that long to respond to your earlier post…not very good at crafting my words. I agree with you. You said very succinctly what it took me the better part of an hour to articulate.
Chewy the Lab on November 28, 2008 at 7:22 PM
Chewy the Lab: Rush didn’t say it. I did. It was my wrap up to his story about Barbara Walters.
technopeasant on November 28, 2008 at 7:24 PM
http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m122/Joey24007/n828945503_4733333_1935.jpg
joey24007 on November 28, 2008 at 7:21 PM
Ha, Ha, ha…thanks for the laugh.
Chewy the Lab on November 28, 2008 at 7:24 PM
Palin-Jindal 2012
Firebird on November 28, 2008 at 7:24 PM
Even better would be his wife Jeri who helped organize Team Sarah. I don’t know whether the current website is related. But it’s good to have our version of The Truth Squad TM.
chunderroad on November 28, 2008 at 7:25 PM
So sorry, was trying to credit it…thought it was a quote, didn’t realize it was paraphrase. No harm intended.
Chewy the Lab on November 28, 2008 at 7:25 PM
Just got here, and haven’t had time to read the other comments. I don’t think the Democrats fear her. I think they believe she is an “amiable dunce”, much like one of her Republican predecessors. The Dems really want to make her the face of the party and run against her in 2012. They are digging their own graves. More popcorn, please.
Buford Gooch on November 28, 2008 at 7:27 PM
You’re probably right. She had plenty of interviews following the election. She was a standout at the governor’s convention. She stumped in GA for Saxby Chambliss. She will have to heed Rove’s advice about a foreign policy tutor and hiring a media consultant. Let’s see what happens.
chunderroad on November 28, 2008 at 7:28 PM
chunderoad: the trick is for SP to maintain her authenticity without her being taken advantage of by the MSM; I guess Sarah needs to be more media savvy, without sacrificing her principles. I think she can do it.
technopeasant on November 28, 2008 at 7:34 PM
Reminder: McCain lead among all voters. Pardon me while I kneecap anyone who talks about electability.
- The Cat
MirCat on November 28, 2008 at 7:39 PM
exactly
joey24007 on November 28, 2008 at 7:39 PM
This is just silly. She’s dead even with your beloved Mitt among all voters and ahead by a landslide among Republicans, i.e. the much-maligned and ridiculed “base.”
You’d really have to be into New Math to draw anything but the only logical conclusion from that.
All that being said, it’s four years off. Who knows what it will look like by then?
Misha I on November 28, 2008 at 7:44 PM
…once again, let me quote myself:
The establishment press doesn’t dislike Ms. Palin, just as they didn’t fundamentally dislike Mr. Bush.
The establishment press, and those who are foolish enough to be informed by it, dislike those who take Ms. Palin and Mr. Bush seriously.
Those of us who would support the Divine Sarah, and who supported Mr. Bush (were stuck with supporting Mr. McCain, etc. ad nauseum) are the culprits…we’re rubes, we’re social cripples, we’re racists, we’re regressive, we’re unfair, we’re smelly, NASCAR-fans among us are evidently diseased in some way requiring innoculation prior to physical proximity, we’re beer-sodden…in short, think of the stereotypical hillbilly, including the inbred bits, and that’s who we’re supposed to be.
…the fact that we also pay the bills, and that our opponents in the recent knife-fight proclaim themselves as being fans of “diversity” and being open-minded matters little.
…we are the enemy….
…it isn’t the NRA, the Boy Scouts, the Republican Party, the Minutemen, the boys over at FoxNews, the local elitist country club, or the boys over at Skull and Bones…it’s us…and we might as well all be members of the Klan….
There’s an article in the HA headlines in Politico, written by Michael Calderone, about (or, presumably and more accurately “sniping at”) Mr. Murdoch and FoxNews:
…those “magnanimous” folks (who spent the last three months or so regarding and referring to Ms. Palin as everything but trailer trash…because they don’t have may trailers in snow-heavy Alaska, I’d presume), those “better-heeled” folks…those “further nuanced” folks…well…hate to break it to ya…but they ain’t us….
…no…we’re the “vulgar”, “belligerent”, the “loud”…all of which I’ll admit to as periodically true…at my time of life, the thought of being “menacing” is sort of, well, sexy…but “the unsubtle” is an Ivy League way of saying “stupid”…and aside from sucking it up and support Mr. McCain, and trusting the Republican establishment (“We’re from the government, and we’re here to help you.”), I decline as an attribute of my people…and, aside from “dating” a drunk girl with questionable personal hygiene one time and rather exuberant pubic passengers — ONE time — I’d have to decline the honor for myself personally….
…this isn’t about “class warfare”…because our opponents haven’t any class….
…these people, you see, claim to love the country, and salivate at the prospect of ruling it, each in his own little way…but they love it while hating the majority of people in it…democracy is all well and good, so long as they don’t have to deal with the “demos”….
…oh!, for a virtual country they can run, and leave the rest of us alone!
…for my part, after posting this, I’m going to take a modest slap at them in my own little pissant way…I’m gonna open a beer, go outside and gaze upon my pickup truck…I may handle a gun later (cool and smooth to the touch)…and put on a “Larry the Cable Guy” DVD….
…take that, Mr. Obama!
Puritan1648 on November 28, 2008 at 7:47 PM
Cant believe Im reading this tripe by Allah. First of all Allah Happy Thanksgiving, I guess I better be gracious. But please stop. Check out these Primary polls here and tell me how Mitt is going to win anything. Mitt was never in the lead at anytime during the primaries. Huck was in the lead for months and then they all went to McCain, and now all of a sudden everyone wants Mitt? Please.
And I will trust who conservatives want, not a generic “American People” poll which includes Dems as well. And what does this say from Zogby?
Gee I wonder where that came from? Oh I know! Here is the answer!
Gee an ONLINE poll? Who was it that used to spam online polls?
broker1 on November 28, 2008 at 7:49 PM
Palin came up as a topic at the dinner table last night, after Obama, of course. The consensus seems to be that she was stigmatized by the media as uninformed during the campaign, and she is not likely to be able to recover. We also agreed that if she were a governor of a big state (oh, like, California – anyone remember Ronald Reagan?) rather than a very unique state like Alaska, her prospects would be much better.
chris999 on November 28, 2008 at 7:55 PM
Seems we are missing a large point.
Sure, there are vibrant personalities out there who can fill the GOP void, but, unless or until the GOP gets itself and the people back in line with simple basics of Conservatism, we’ll just be presenting empty suits for the voters to compare to empty suits on the Left.
The present economic crisis, and it is a biggie, no doubt, was largely the result of both parties being involved directly in social engineering, based on hopes and promises, and a reluctance to address the realities of who and how we are going to pay for all these promises and “new” rights.
I am hoping that the populace on the whole will realize that the piper has to be paid, and soon, and this change in perception may result in more, not less, voters looking at fiscal Conservatism as a plus, not a negative. Old Hope and Change has been running almost daily press briefings, filled with more of the same “hope and change,” but Obama certainly must realize by now that promises and hope and change won’t pay the piper when the tune is done.
Get the GOP back on track with the basic Conservative principles…first. Then cull the crowd for candidates who walk the talk when it comes to Conservatism. Then, we can promote candidates. Not before.
Let’s nail down 2010 first…then address 2012 and beyond.
Obama/Carter II may be the required impetus to do just that.
coldwarrior on November 28, 2008 at 7:57 PM
chris 999: In a world where the MSM monopolized what went over the air, I would agree you. But with the internet, web sites, right-wing bloggers and text-messaging Sarah has the ability through technology to resurrect herself. All you have to do is look at Bill Clinton. He has come back from being impeached. Certainly SP can come back from being misunderstood and misrepresented if she is handled properly and she becomes more media savvy.
technopeasant on November 28, 2008 at 8:00 PM
coldwarrior: for conservatives I think it will be just as important for them to single out a conservative candidate they want to get behind totally and then devote their entire resources to get that person elected. They definitely don’t want to split their loyalties and hand the GOP nomination to another moderate and therefore foster the re-election of Obama in 2012.
technopeasant on November 28, 2008 at 8:05 PM
technopeasant: I’ll grant you that but I still think she has a very big hill to climb. Reagan (sorry to mention him when we’ve been told repeatedly not to!) had years of practice giving speeches on the circuit, and he had the “kitchen cabinet”, a coterie of dedicated advisors. Sarah is the real thing, but it’s too bad she’s confined to Alaska.
chris999 on November 28, 2008 at 8:06 PM
This poll isn’t relevant. Four years is too far away, especially in the unstable world we live in today.
aengus on November 28, 2008 at 8:12 PM
chris999: give her time: she can develop a ‘kitchen cabinet’, a coterie of dedicated advisors.’ Remember SP was thrust on to the national scene without being totally prepared for national exposure and scrutiny. That she performed as well as she did, by any objective standard, is astounding. The only explanation: she has talent and charisma: she is Tiger Woods, Michael Jordan and Wayne Gretzky. Nobody in their right mind would or should discard anybody with that kind of talent. By the way there is word out of the Washington Times that former Reagan advisors are now willing to take SP under their wing to develop her potential. Sure she needs a bit of seasoning, but never forget she is a ‘natural’.
technopeasant on November 28, 2008 at 8:14 PM
The poll is essentially a revote of the 2008 republican primary with Palin replacing McCain as the frontrunner.
The exposure that each one has received and the “tilt” of that exposure dictated the results of the poll.
Jindal was an unknown before he was brought to the forefront by Rush Linbaugh and Newt Gincrich and is now enjoying a bounce.
Even after being pummelled by the press, Palin has managed to sustain strong support. That gives Palin the edge right now. I think she has been underestimated and it is starting to be revealed since she has been allowed to speak her mind.
Huckabee’s band sucks!
AnthonyK on November 28, 2008 at 8:17 PM
you got that right
joey24007 on November 28, 2008 at 8:23 PM
Her image is on the mend.
The most recent CNN poll that I’ve seen (about 2 weeks ago) had her fav/unfavs improving to 49/43.
She’s doomed I say!
LOL
artist on November 28, 2008 at 8:27 PM
AP is just stirring the pot. Everyone knows that if you want to bring in a lot of comments, just have a blog about Sarah Palin. She draws a crowd in TV appearances, campaign appearances and blogs. Most of us love her and only hope that she can overcome the Drive By Media and the RINO’s and win in a national election. You go, girl!
Christian Conservative on November 28, 2008 at 8:35 PM
Sounds like there are definitely some experienced conservatives already on board for ‘Cuda 2012. Washington Whispers reports that a tipster told them that some folks from the Reagan and Bush administrations “have already purchased a Web address and are commissioning white papers from experts on how Richard Nixon and the Gipper followed defeats with victories. They are also drawing up a to-do list for Palin, including who she should meet with domestically and internationally for advice and a “candidate school” to get her up to speed on key issues and electioneering techniques.”
Should be interesting.
meltenn on November 28, 2008 at 8:40 PM
She will never overcome the image of being a dits that the MSM has tagged her with.
Romney will never overcome his “flip flop” and cultist tag they have stuck him with.
Not with enough people to win it all. UNLESS Obama has a major wreck that that is totally inexcusable by his adoring press.
UT Cowboy on November 28, 2008 at 8:40 PM
One other voter block that went all Obama this time will be absent in the 2012 race – the apathetic voter. 2012 will be a been there, done that moment for the apathetics that came out for O to “be a part of history”. These folks cannot stay engaged the way he needs them to be – they have already moved on.
It’s a mistake to focus on who to elect, the focus should be on defining and informing the public about the values of the party. McCain blurred the lines so much who can tell one animal from the other?
Re-establish conservatism beginning with demanding accountability in the campaign contribution process. One little bill – that no campaign can turn off the AVS feature. Go issue by issue with conservative values.
batterup on November 28, 2008 at 8:42 PM
batterup: What is ‘the AVS feature’?
technopeasant on November 28, 2008 at 8:49 PM
Even if by 2012, the Dow drops to 150, unemployment hits 35% and Obama, fearing homeland AlQaeda attacks, flees the country and seeks asylum in France, the media will still publish polls that show his job approval ratings at 75%. They won’t allow him not to be reelected.
GOP might as well go ahead and run a ticket of Huck/Mitt or Mitt/Huck in 2012. Let ‘em get it out of their systems so we can put these unelectables behind us and focus on a winnable election in 2016 against the aging and shriller-than-ever former senator/unaccomplished secretary of state/sniper fire ducker/consummate liar: HRC.
whitetop on November 28, 2008 at 8:51 PM
All you have to do is go to Huffpost and read any comments about the Cuda and you will see how much they feaar her. She is the biggest threat to all out Liberalism (socialism) out there. She alone could turn the tide of the Republican party back to its basic values.
Sven on November 28, 2008 at 8:56 PM
UT Cowboy: I’m not saying that you’re wrong, but fortunately the next Presidential election won’t be held until 2012. Perceptions change; SP will be a better candidate if she runs. Look at all the sports superstars-they all perform better as they gather more experience. Now if you want to deny that SP is a superstar-I have one question for you? Why is a losing VP candidate 1000 times more popular than the person who is going to become VP on January 20, 2009 and just as popular with the MSM as the man who is going to become President on the same date?
technopeasant on November 28, 2008 at 8:56 PM
If we’re in a disaster in 2012 it won’t matter what Obama’s sycophants in the MSM say. Don’t ascribe too much power to them.
ddrintn on November 28, 2008 at 8:59 PM
I think Sarah will do wonderfully. She is a strong woman, didn’t get upset with the lies about her. She held her head high, fought like mad. The McCain Team, didn’t let her know a lot of what was going on. She couldn’t be herself at all. After the election. She did a fantastic interview with Greta, and also another news channel. Can’t remember. I have heard Democrats comment on how they liked her. I love her! I hope she goes for it.
sheebe on November 28, 2008 at 9:04 PM
Some of the audience that is interested in her as a celebrity or human interest story won’t automatically translate into voters.
dedalus on November 28, 2008 at 9:08 PM
the future of the Republican Party or a new CONSERVATIVE PARTY: PALIN/JINDAL ’12 and beyond
oldernslower on November 28, 2008 at 9:09 PM
Now if you want to deny that SP is a superstar-I have one question for you? Why is a losing VP candidate 1000 times more popular than the person who is going to become VP on January 20, 2009 and just as popular with the MSM as the man who is going to become President on the same date?
technopeasant you must think I don’t like SP. I love her!
UT Cowboy on November 28, 2008 at 9:11 PM
I think that was one of the keys things about Sarah’s post-election performance-that she refused to second-guess the ‘inside baseball’ strategy of the McCain campaign and that she refused to take potshots at ‘anonymous sources’ that accused her of going rogue, being a diva, being extravagant in her wardrobe or having the intelligence of a grade 8 student. SP displayed an unbelievable charitable grace that many conservatives will remember as well move towards 2010 and 2012.
technopeasant on November 28, 2008 at 9:11 PM
Shazam,what the h#ll?
You mean of all the polls of late,this poll is accurate!
And yes,the Liberals are,
SCARED TO DEATH,of a strong,role model producing,(along the
campaign trail,inspireing young women)articulate,get er done,improvise on the fly(teleprompter goes awal)and a
women that can take on Washington and purge the status quo
of tax and spendis pork at the trough of the American tax
payers!!
And the pipeline deal,SarahCuda is a friend to Canada!:)
canopfor on November 28, 2008 at 9:14 PM
UT Cowboy: I’m sorry. But let’s all resolve to never let SP be ‘ditzed’ again by the MSM.
technopeasant on November 28, 2008 at 9:14 PM
Good Post.
Geochelone on November 28, 2008 at 9:14 PM
Palin/Jindal/2012:)
canopfor on November 28, 2008 at 9:16 PM
I’m going to see Sarah on Monday woo hoo!
mindhacker on November 28, 2008 at 9:17 PM
For those of you wondering about Jindal’s qualifications:
1991: Graduates from Brown University with honors, in biology and public policy
1994: Graduates from Oxford University as Rhodes Scholar with a graduate degree
1994-1995: Advises Fortune 50 companies as a consultant for McKinsey and Company
1996: Appointed Secretary, Department of Health and Hospitals; rescues Louisiana’s Medicaid program from bankruptcy by turning a $400 million deficit into three years of surpluses totaling $220 million.
1998: Appointed Executive Director, National Bipartisan Commission on the Future of Medicare, a 17-member panel charged with devising plan to reform Medicare
1999: At the request of the Governor’s Office and the Legislature, volunteers his time to study how Louisiana might use its $4.4 billion tobacco settlement
Appointed President of the University of Louisiana System (16th largest in the U.S.)
2001: Appointed by President to be Assistant Secretary for Planning and Evaluation of Health and Human Services
2003: Resigns from federal post to return to Louisiana and run for Governor
2004: Elected to U.S. Congress, representing Louisiana’s first district
2006: Re-elected to U.S. Congress
Announces intentions to run for Governor of Louisiana
2007: Elected Governor of Louisiana with 54 percent of the vote in the primary
2008: Sworn in as Governor of Louisiana. For accomplishments in 2008 as Governor, you can go here.
All in all, not bad for a guy who’s 37.
Send_Me on November 28, 2008 at 9:25 PM
Babwah Wahwah……
Kini on Nov 28,2008 at 6:21PM.
Kini: Your on fire,and give the definition of”Articulate”
the true meaning!
And your right,when a journalist,like Greta ask’s a
question of Governor Sarah Palin,and then allows
SarahCuda to answer with no interruptions are tries
to trip her up,Sarah makes more sense than Hopey or
Gaffebiden combined!!:):):):)
canopfor on November 28, 2008 at 9:28 PM
They’re not here to entertain you, kcarpenter, they’re here to lead. Jindal isn’t dull. Serious maybe. There’s a difference. Maybe you’d prefer the excitement of a Joe “what the hell kind of question is that” Biden interview.
manwithblackhat on November 28, 2008 at 9:36 PM
If SP was so ‘uninformed’ how did she beat Joe Biden in her debate performance?
technopeasant on November 28, 2008 at 9:37 PM
AVS explaination and here is the Hotair discussion This issue is a non-event in the MSM… move along, nothing to see.
batterup on November 28, 2008 at 9:40 PM
Why are “conservatives” trying to find their candidate by comparing him/her to Obama and Biden?
Forgive my lack of zeal for Palin, but Palin is inexperienced and still unknown. Yes, she has more experience than Obama, which isn’t saying much, and, frankly, is irrelevant. Neither one of them have the experience needed.
Palin lacks any foreign policy accolades. To her own admission, she hasn’t given Iraq much thought beyond saying that she gives her support the President.
Palin has yet to outline her views on the role of government, methods and purpose of taxation, social security, Medicare/Medicaid, education, the role of state vs. federal government, etc. She also supports McCain’s views of how to handle the illegal immigration problem.
She lacks military experience. Yes, her son is in the Army and, as Governor, she had peacetime command authority of the Alaska National Guard. Having a child in the military is great, but does not add or take away from one’s resume. Every governor has command authority of their state’s national guard, but there are two limitations here: (a) doctrine, structure, training oversight, equipping, and funding of the National Guard falls under the National Guard Bureau (federal), not the governor, (b) would we consider Bill Clinton to have had military experience just because he was a governor? If we do, that’s fine, but we need to be consistent in our assessments.
Hopefully, most voters, especially after suffering Obama for the next four years, will care more about competence than the candidate’s sense of humor or ability to present speeches written by others. I want a leader, not a comedian.
Send_Me on November 28, 2008 at 9:40 PM
All very astute observations, TP; people will notice how gracefully she handled these issues. I expect she’ll gain support among Conservatives and moderate Republicans over time.
I doubt she’ll ever attract Leftists, but what about those in the middle politically, or those who are somewhat indifferent and apolitical? What I believe she needs to do, is be visible nationally so those that previously dismissed her as a ditz, will discover on their own that she is intelligent and has the character and talent to be a great national leader. Over time, if people hear her speak and learn about her values and accomplishments, she’ll chip away at those who accept the SNL carictature. If many in the political middle begin to re-evaluate their opinion of her, her appeal for a national office can rise dramatically.
Red State State of Mind on November 28, 2008 at 9:44 PM
Don’t get me wrong, I love Sarah and would love to see her elected as prez.
That said I have a few friends whose only source of information they watch is the MSM.
In their eyes Palin was the hunter and they were the moose.
“She is going to outlaw abortion etc etc..”
How a VP would do that they never managed to explain.
It is also people that still only listen/follow the MSM around like sheep that are scared of her now.
F15Mech on November 28, 2008 at 9:48 PM
I’m actually really surprised about Jindal; I wasn’t really sure that he was really well known among the rank and file. And I am glad that Sarah is stealing CHuckles’ fire. :) It is a pity that she couldn’t also get rid of Mittens for us as well. However, I guess that Mittens appeals to the T. Coddington Van Vorhees of the Republican Party http://iowahawk.typepad.com/iowahawk/page/8/ being that they probably went to the same elite prep. school and all.
Illinidiva on November 28, 2008 at 9:52 PM
Red State State of Mind: they key I believe is to give these moderate voters enough food for thought to prompt them to re-evaluate their opinion of SP. This is why SP needs to become more media savvy and bring on board somebody or a team skilled in rehabilitation of past perception or performance.
technopeasant on November 28, 2008 at 9:54 PM
Name me a Republican candidate that the shrieking loons on the left haven’t “accused” of wanting to “outlaw abortion”.
ddrintn on November 28, 2008 at 9:57 PM
true
and after that … name a Republican candidate who wasn’t labeled at least one of the following:
Dumb
Fake
Country Club
Anti Working Class
“Management”
Foreign Policy Cowboy
joey24007 on November 28, 2008 at 9:59 PM
That’s probably because she isn’t and hasn’t been to this point a candidate for President. She was McCain’s #2 and had to parrot a lot of McCain’s positions ad nauseam. As for military experience, I don’t think it’s a sine qua non.
ddrintn on November 28, 2008 at 10:02 PM
And Jindal has an abundance of foreign policy experience? It’s not like Palin and Jindal are going to have that kind of “experience” as governors.
No, because he never served in the military. And in that regard, he could have been compared to Reagan. And he did pretty well in foreign affairs.
Jindal writes his own speeches? Palin is simply a comedian? K.
V15J on November 28, 2008 at 10:02 PM
OK, were IS Joe???? The absentee VP-Elect. To me this is very, very telling. Anyone else?
Chewy the Lab on November 28, 2008 at 10:03 PM
…and your point???
Chewy the Lab on November 28, 2008 at 10:05 PM
My friends, did it ever cross your minds that Vice President-elect Biden is checking out dick cheney’s undisclosed location?
benny shakar on November 28, 2008 at 10:08 PM
meant where is Joe
Chewy the Lab on November 28, 2008 at 10:11 PM
I think several people have made good points about Sarah Palin’s unsuitability for the Presidency due to the damage done to her image.
In future we should make a point of letting the press choose the candidate, as they surely have the best interests of the Republican party in mind. They wouldn’t gin up a candidate that they thought was a loser in the general election would they?
/sarc
sharrukin on November 28, 2008 at 10:12 PM
Because whoever the nominee is in 2012, they will run against Obama / Biden. We’re still unsure of the issues, but we know the incumbent.
Every governor has command authority of their state’s national guard, but there are two limitations here: (a) doctrine, structure, training oversight, equipping, and funding of the National Guard falls under the National Guard Bureau (federal), not the governor, (b) would we consider Bill Clinton to have had military experience just because he was a governor?
chunderroad on November 28, 2008 at 10:12 PM
I don’t think she should worry about this. Reagan and Bush never changed the way they were portrayed by the media, the extreme negativity worked to their advantage in the long run – American’s are fair and it will come down to the issues.
She needs to find an issue that she can champion,though, as Reagan did with foreign policy after 1976.
kcewa on November 28, 2008 at 10:13 PM
I royally screwed up the block quotes, and I hit submit while aiming for preview. Sorry.
chunderroad on November 28, 2008 at 10:13 PM
I wonder if Old Maverick resented Sarah Palin’s popularity and her future despite his candidacy.
chunderroad on November 28, 2008 at 10:16 PM
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