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Zogby on 2012: Palin leads among Republicans, Romney leads among all voters

posted at 4:30 pm on November 28, 2008 by Allahpundit
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Check that: Romney barely leads among all voters, within the margin of error. But here’s evidence, in case more was needed, of how sharply conservatives’ view of the ‘Cuda diverges from America’s. Among Republicans, it’s Palin 24.4, Mitt 18.1, Jindal 15.6; among everyone, Mitt 13.7, Palin 13.4, Jindal 12.5.

What happened to Huck, who was in the thick of things when Gallup recently asked a similar question? Palin happened to Huck:

Among Republicans, she gets the support of 30% of Born-Again Christians, 32% of weekly churchgoers, 34% of National Rifle Association members, 28% of current gun owners and 29% of self-identified conservatives. More GOP support comes from 32% of blue collar workers, 30% who shop weekly at Wal-Mart, 28% of NASCAR fans and 25% of both those with children under 17 and those with family members in the military…

Palin looks to be stealing Huckabee’s thunder among Republican religious conservatives and working class voters. Huckabee is an ordained Southern Baptist minister, and his highest GOP totals still come from Born-Again Christians (15%) and weekly churchgoers (18%), but those numbers are about half of those drawn by Palin. Despite his populist economic message, he wins only 10% of blue collar Republicans.

There’s your explanation for why he’s been taking shots at her lately, in case it wasn’t already clear. Interesting to see Jindal’s numbers so high, though, given how comparatively low his profile is and how poorly he fared in the Gallup poll. As another young rock-star “future of the party” governor, I wonder if he isn’t peeling votes away from Palin among people who’ve soured on her for whatever reason. Exit invitation: Go ahead and tell me that the only reason she polls so much lower among all voters is because Democrats fear her. You know you want to.


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Why doesn’t Romney purchase a controlling interest in GM?

and if their resumes speak for themselves … why are you still posting?

joey24007 on November 30, 2008 at 12:54 PM

Sounds to me that you (like liberals) find this “idiot” Palin to be quite the threat if she requires so much energetic stomping.

ddrintn on November 30, 2008 at 12:52 PM

More like I am tired of the misinformed fanboy idol worship of her. But I do think she is hot.

Poptech on November 30, 2008 at 12:54 PM

Poptech, it’s hilarious how you quote the details of her family business, then state she has no private sector experience. Cognitive dissonance much?

Agree that experience is limited…as a result, it’s amazing how she harnessed the power of the free market first to accomplish her goals as mayor, then to break the crony capitalists in Alaska.

Jim62sch on November 30, 2008 at 12:55 PM

Pssst…Romney’s going about as far as Bob Barr or Ron Paul. We all need a Poptech at the race track to help us spot the losing horses.

ddrintn on November 30, 2008 at 12:55 PM

I always thought, from the moment she refused to answer, that Palin felt the newspaper question was insulting. Perhaps as a state school grad and hick myself I was more inclined to see it that way. At any rate, Palin’s explanation on her refusal to answer that question has been consistent and, in my opinion, the most convincing when she discusses the Couric interview. My only beef with her response was that she was too polite in the interview. I thought she should have told Couric straight up that she felt that the question was insulting, and that she saw no reason to answer it when none of the other candidates had been asked that question.

I’m sure that she reads the local Alaska papers, and I would guess, given Alaska’s geographic location, that she gets most of the rest of her news online (ie the major papers’ websites, Google news, etc.). Poptech, I have trouble believing she wasn’t familiar with The Wall Street Journal even if she doesn’t read it on a regular basis. She went to a pretty swanky reception in New York at the invitation of Rupert Murdoch (in fact he escorted her around and introduced her to people) a few days before the interview. Now, The Economist I can buy that she doesn’t read, that answer sounded like a suggestion from an aide to me.

meltenn on November 30, 2008 at 12:55 PM

Why doesn’t Romney purchase a controlling interest in GM?

and if their resumes speak for themselves … why are you still posting?

joey24007 on November 30, 2008 at 12:54 PM

Probably because he knows their business sucks and does not have the money to purchase a controlling interest even if he wanted to. The same question can be given to you.

Poptech on November 30, 2008 at 12:56 PM

More like I am tired of the misinformed fanboy idol worship of her. But I do think she is hot.

Poptech on November 30, 2008 at 12:54 PM

What worship? Just about everyone that is pro-Palin on this site knows that she has shortcomings. We just don’t agree with the drooling-idiot-Backwoods Barbie stereotype that you, the MSM and liberals in panic want to perpetuate.

ddrintn on November 30, 2008 at 12:57 PM

The same question can be given to you.

Poptech on November 30, 2008 at 12:56 PM

Because you and others like you seem so energetic in your attempts to do a fandango on Sarah Palin’s face. We just wonder why, if she’s so inconsequential.

ddrintn on November 30, 2008 at 12:58 PM

Poptech on November 30, 2008 at 12:54 PM

If the resumes you posted yesterday speak for themselves

…. why are you still speaking on day two?

joey24007 on November 30, 2008 at 12:58 PM

Poptech, it’s hilarious how you quote the details of her family business, then state she has no private sector experience. Cognitive dissonance much?

Here let me do it again with highlights for the slow people reading this thread.

Toad’s Fisheries sells salmon caught in Bristol Bay to a commercial buyer in Seattle. Last year, the business made $15,513 in profits, with a gross income of $49,893 offset by $32,979 in expenses, the couple’s joint tax return shows. The previous year was even leaner, raising $7,690 after expenses. Both returns name Todd Palin as proprietor and the couple’s Wasilla home as a main office.

On her public financial disclosure form, Palin describes the business as a sole proprietorship owned by her husband, listing the type and amount of proceeds simply as “Fishing Income.”

I listed the details of her HUSBAND’s business. I hope the highlights help you understand what you read now.

Agree that experience is limited…as a result, it’s amazing how she harnessed the power of the free market first to accomplish her goals as mayor, then to break the crony capitalists in Alaska.

Jim62sch on November 30, 2008 at 12:55 PM

Poptech on November 30, 2008 at 12:59 PM

If the resumes you posted yesterday speak for themselves

…. why are you still speaking on day two?

joey24007 on November 30, 2008 at 12:58 PM

Because Sarah Must Be Destroyed!!!!!!!1111!!!!!111!!!!!!! LOL.

ddrintn on November 30, 2008 at 1:01 PM

Bambi: That is the way I saw Sarah as well-with McCain mentoring her while she ‘learned’ on the job. Unfortunately the MSM wouldn’t allow this ‘fantasy’ to occur. What was the one question that was consistently asked to diminish SP’s credentials? Are you ready to be President? In what other job is anybody asked are they ready to assume the head job? Why aren’t reporters asking Josh McDaniels if he ready to step into Bill Belichick’s shoes if he dies? or ask Phil Mickelson if he’s ready to be the number one player in the world if Tiger Woods can never play golf again; if Joe Biden is ready to be President if Obama is not proven to be a natural born citizen? Let’s face it-the McCain campaign did not make the case for Sarah-simply put they screwed the pooch-Sarah Palin was running for VP, not President. All they had to say is “Is anybody in the history of the nation really ready to be elevated from VP to the Presidency?” Harry Truman-he didn’t even know of the existence of the Manhattan Project; Teddy Roosevelt, a one-term governor of NY state, who went on to win the Nobel Peace Prize for ending the Russo-Japanese War, and Andrew Johnson under whose administration amendments to eliminate slavery were enacted.

technopeasant on November 30, 2008 at 1:01 PM

Poptech, I have trouble believing she wasn’t familiar with The Wall Street Journal even if she doesn’t read it on a regular basis. She went to a pretty swanky reception in New York at the invitation of Rupert Murdoch (in fact he escorted her around and introduced her to people) a few days before the interview. Now, The Economist I can buy that she doesn’t read, that answer sounded like a suggestion from an aide to me.

meltenn on November 30, 2008 at 12:55 PM

She was familiar with it, just I HIGHLY doubt she reads it. Which is why she didn’t say it because she was not sure if they said anything negative about her and I doubt aware of it’s libertarian/conservative views. I am even less convinced she was aware Murdock purchased the WSJ and probably only knew him as the owner of FOX News.

Poptech on November 30, 2008 at 1:03 PM

She was familiar with it, just I HIGHLY doubt she reads it. Which is why she didn’t say it because she was not sure if they said anything negative about her and I doubt aware of it’s libertarian/conservative views. I am even less convinced she was aware Murdock purchased the WSJ and probably only knew him as the owner of FOX News.

Poptech on November 30, 2008 at 1:03 PM

Why do you even care?

ddrintn on November 30, 2008 at 1:03 PM

technopeasant on November 30, 2008 at 1:01 PM

the rules were certainly different for VP Candidate Sarah Palin than for any other VP Candidate in history

joey24007 on November 30, 2008 at 1:03 PM

I listed the details of her HUSBAND’s business. I hope the highlights help you understand what you read now.

Poptech on November 30, 2008 at 12:59 PM

So she what – stays home and bakes cookies? Her father has stated that she runs the fishing business when her husband is on the slope – she’s even gotten injured and risked her life to get the boat secured during a storm. Her father was too afraid to help, and she told him to get out of the way and did it herself.

If you don’t think she’s involved in the management of the business, then you really have no clue about how a good marriage works.

Jim62sch on November 30, 2008 at 1:04 PM

the rules were certainly different for VP Candidate Sarah Palin than for any other VP Candidate in history

joey24007 on November 30, 2008 at 1:03 PM

Sure they were, and are. She’s a threat, a possible Reagan -in-a-skirt.

ddrintn on November 30, 2008 at 1:05 PM

Why do you even care?

ddrintn on November 30, 2008 at 1:03 PM

why is he still posting if their resumes speak for themselves

he must be getting paid by the word

joey24007 on November 30, 2008 at 1:07 PM

We just don’t agree with the drooling-idiot-Backwoods Barbie stereotype that you, the MSM and liberals in panic want to perpetuate.

ddrintn on November 30, 2008 at 12:57 PM

Here we go again, not reading what I say and instead knee-jerk react to what you think I said. I don’t think she is a drooling idiot just not remotely qualified to be POTUS. Has no remote economic experience.

Well, I cannot argue she is hot and has a nice personality.

Poptech on November 30, 2008 at 1:07 PM

Here we go again, not reading what I say and instead knee-jerk react to what you think I said. I don’t think she is a drooling idiot just not remotely qualified to be POTUS. Has no remote economic experience.

Well, I cannot argue she is hot and has a nice personality.

Poptech on November 30, 2008 at 1:07 PM

So the only ones remotely qualified are Romney and Bob Barr. *snickers*

ddrintn on November 30, 2008 at 1:09 PM

Has no remote economic experience.
Poptech on November 30, 2008 at 1:07 PM

That is a fundamentally wrong statement

joey24007 on November 30, 2008 at 1:09 PM

So she what – stays home and bakes cookies?

Jim62sch on November 30, 2008 at 1:04 PM

LMAO, then why is her business in his name? Family “helps out” all the time in private businesses, it does not make it their business.

Poptech on November 30, 2008 at 1:10 PM

Well, I cannot argue she is hot and has a nice personality.

Poptech on November 30, 2008 at 1:07 PM

Yeah, I’m sure that all the corrupt politicians that she sent to jail, and the other enemies she has eviscerated in Alaska (including the state GOP party chairman) think she “has a nice personality”.

Jim62sch on November 30, 2008 at 1:10 PM

Pop– you really do have a hang up. Suggestion -use all the energy you are wasting here trying to change the minds of 3-4 people who are not buying… by taking that energy and using it to promote lets say the cool site your name links to.

Jamson64 on November 30, 2008 at 1:10 PM

LMAO, then why is her business in his name? Family “helps out” all the time in private businesses, it does not make it their business.

Poptech on November 30, 2008 at 1:10 PM

It’s in his name because the fishing permit he has results from his Native ancestry. Do some research.

Jim62sch on November 30, 2008 at 1:11 PM

Has anyone else noticed that this discussion is going nowhere?

Anybody in Georgia going to the Palin rallies tomorrow?

meltenn on November 30, 2008 at 1:11 PM

LMAO, then why is her business in his name? Family “helps out” all the time in private businesses, it does not make it their business.

Poptech on November 30, 2008 at 1:10 PM

Say, Poptech. Bob Barr got your vote. What qualifications did he have?

ddrintn on November 30, 2008 at 1:11 PM

Sure they were, and are. She’s a threat, a possible Reagan -in-a-skirt.

ddrintn on November 30, 2008 at 1:05 PM

Impossible, Reagan had a degree in economics, was a Captain in the military and governor of the largest state in the country for 8 years:

Ronald Reagan:

Age: 70 (When Elected President)

Religion:
- Presbyterian

Education:
- B.A. Economics and Sociology, Eureka College

Professional Experience:
- Actor, 1937-1965
- President, Screen Actors Guild, 1947-1952, 1959-1960
- Second Lieutenant, United States Army Reserve, 1935-1942
- Captain, United States Army Air Force, 1942-1945

Political Experience:
- Governor, California, 1966-1974 (pop: 19,953,134) (8 years)

Poptech on November 30, 2008 at 1:12 PM

The MSM made the rules different. If anything that irks me about the 2008 election campaign it was this: the MSM was allowed to redefine the role of VP by making it appear that Sarah was running for President and the McCain campaign and its surrogates did not assert forcefully enough that the ticket was McCain-Palin and not Palin-McCain.

technopeasant on November 30, 2008 at 1:14 PM

Say, Poptech. Bob Barr got your vote. What qualifications did he have?

ddrintn on November 30, 2008 at 1:11 PM

Bob Barr

Age: 59

Religion:
- Methodist

Education:
- B.A. International Affairs, University of Southern California, 1970.
- M.A. International Affairs, George Washington University, 1972
- J.D. Georgetown University Law Center, 1977

Professional Experience:
- Analyst, Central Intelligence Agency, 1971-1978
- Anti-Drug Coordinator, U.S. Justice Department, 1986-1990
- U.S. Attorney, Northern District of Georgia, 1986-1990
- President, Southeastern Legal Foundation, 1990-1991
- Attorney, 1978-1986, 1991-1994
- Adjunct Professor, Kennesaw State University, 2008-Present

Political Experience:
- Chairman, Republican Party, Georgia, 1985-1986
- U.S. Representative, Georgia, 1995-2003

Committees:
- Assistant Majority Whip
- Vice-Chairman, Government Reform Committee

Poptech on November 30, 2008 at 1:15 PM

The Liberal’s are to scared of Palin. They cannot handle a person who tells the truth. Plus, if and I hope that she does run for Pres. She will clean up a bunch of has been Democrats. Dems, are brainless and spineless. Not only is Sarah beautiful on the outside, she is more beautiful on the inside. In her interview, I didn’t see a maid or a cook there. She cooks, cleans and as one above said. She helps with her hubby’s business. The Creature will be a flop. The sheep will start crying for justice. That they were lied to. Any one that voted for the Creature. Are a bunch of ignorant sheep. But wait! This wasn’t a fair election! It was bought and paid for! Sarah doesn’t need to buy an election. If not for her, McCain wouldn’t have gone so far. It wasn’t won by a land slide like the sheep claim. Was pretty damn close!!!

sheebe on November 30, 2008 at 1:15 PM

Impossible, Reagan had a degree in economics, was a Captain in the military and governor of the largest state in the country for 8 years:

and once again, the communication process has broken down …

Reagan was a c student in economics
he made training films for the military

as he said this about college:

Going to college offered me the chance to play football for four more years.

good grief you are dense … by the standards you set for Palin in terms of college records, you would have to call Reagan dumb as well

you act as if we know nothing about Reagan lol

joey24007 on November 30, 2008 at 1:16 PM

What you forget, Poptech, is that people like myself who voted for Reagan couldn’t really have cared less about his college transcript, what newapapers he read, what businesses he ran, none of that.

ddrintn on November 30, 2008 at 1:17 PM

Professional Experience:
- Analyst, Central Intelligence Agency, 1971-1978
- Anti-Drug Coordinator, U.S. Justice Department, 1986-1990
- U.S. Attorney, Northern District of Georgia, 1986-1990
- President, Southeastern Legal Foundation, 1990-1991
- Attorney, 1978-1986, 1991-1994
- Adjunct Professor, Kennesaw State University, 2008-Present

yes being an attorney makes you an expert on economics now

geez

joey24007 on November 30, 2008 at 1:17 PM

Poptech on November 30, 2008 at 1:15 PM

So a paper-pusher, basically.

lodge on November 30, 2008 at 1:18 PM

Speaking of illiterate, Poptech- you cannot get any more illiterate than you have during this discussion.

For example, I stated this:

By the way, if you cannot realize that Wallstreet is full of greedy fatcats who have added to our country’s economic problems, then perhaps you should not be discussing the economy at all.

You stated this:

Anyone who mentions Greed is absolutely clueless on how the economy works or the cause of the current problem which is government.

Apparently, you were not literate enough to understand the difference between the word “cause” and “added”.

Yes, greed had indeed added to the problem and so has government. Neither is the sole cause of the problem.

Still- that is not the only problem you are having. You still have not addressed Mitt Romney’s support for the big three and then his thrashing of the big three automakers.

Yes, Mitt Romney has had success running a business.

His biggest financial failure was running a government. Mitt Romney failed at his only foray into government and it’s financial needs.

You also stated:

I said no such thing, on the contrary he is the most likely (next to Ron Paul) to do the only thing that can help = Cut Taxes and Reduce Government Spending.

However, the reality of RomneyCare in the state of Massachusetts proves this entire line of logic as useless. When given the chance to cut taxes and cut spending, Romney did neither.

However, you want us to believe that he is economically literate and Sarah Palin is not.

Why in heaven’s name would we believe this?

At least Sarah Palin has $500 million in line item vetoes as proof that she has and will continue to attempt to cut spending. She also has the $1200 extra in a tax rebate check to prove her determination to cut taxes.

Romney’s got RomneyCare as his proof of what he will do.

kcarpenter on November 30, 2008 at 1:18 PM

Poptech on November 30, 2008 at 1:15 PM

What a joke! Bob Barr? Give me a break. Just because he has a so called resume. Doesn’t mean he is fit. That man is a joke. Not even a Conservative! I see him as a Rhino. And a Methodist? LOL who cares! Not impressed at all. That isn’t much on his resume any way. Barr doesn’t have what it takes. A personality like a fish. Another Ron Paul if you ask me.

sheebe on November 30, 2008 at 1:19 PM

The MSM made the rules different. If anything that irks me about the 2008 election campaign it was this: the MSM was allowed to redefine the role of VP by making it appear that Sarah was running for President and the McCain campaign and its surrogates did not assert forcefully enough that the ticket was McCain-Palin and not Palin-McCain.

technopeasant on November 30, 2008 at 1:14 PM

Yeah, that was incredibly strange. When Biden was selected, the spin was all about how the VP pick doesn’t really have much impact on the outcome of the election. They immediately started lowering expectations for him.

When Palin was selected, the Big News organizations suddenly pivoted without missing a beat and began screaming that she was dragging down the ticket. After the election, they laid all the responsibility for the loss at her feet. Yet the standard never changed for Biden, it was an incredible contradiction.

And Palin still walked away with 91% favorables among Republicans. Astonishing, and evidence of GOP rank-and-file cynicism toward Big News.

Jim62sch on November 30, 2008 at 1:19 PM

Professional Experience:
- Analyst, Central Intelligence Agency, 1971-1978
- Anti-Drug Coordinator, U.S. Justice Department, 1986-1990
- U.S. Attorney, Northern District of Georgia, 1986-1990
- President, Southeastern Legal Foundation, 1990-1991
- Attorney, 1978-1986, 1991-1994
- Adjunct Professor, Kennesaw State University, 2008-Present

Political Experience:
- Chairman, Republican Party, Georgia, 1985-1986
- U.S. Representative, Georgia, 1995-2003

Committees:
- Assistant Majority Whip
- Vice-Chairman, Government Reform Committee

Poptech on November 30, 2008 at 1:15 PM

All of this is qualification to be President how, exactly? What newspapers does Barr read? What payroll has he been responsible for? What economic training has he had? He got your vote, after all. Let’s apply the Poptech Standards.

ddrintn on November 30, 2008 at 1:20 PM

Poptech on November 30, 2008 at 1:12 PM

You have been posting the same posts for 48 hrs, (it’s like an endless loop of Sports Center) give it a rest. Not a single person cares for your opinion. Even the people that were on your side yesterday have deserted you.

thomasaur on November 30, 2008 at 1:20 PM

What you forget, Poptech, is that people like myself who voted for Reagan couldn’t really have cared less about his college transcript, what newapapers he read, what businesses he ran, none of that.

ddrintn on November 30, 2008 at 1:17 PM

Going to college offered me the chance to play football for four more years.

- Ronald Reagan

by poptart’s standards … this man can should have never been president

and he keeps touting Reagan’s degree in economics even though he was a C student

Poptart doesn’t even research his own material

joey24007 on November 30, 2008 at 1:20 PM

and how big was Eureka college anyway when Reagan attended?

joey24007 on November 30, 2008 at 1:21 PM

Reagan was a c student in economics
he made training films for the military

joey24007 on November 30, 2008 at 1:16 PM

His grade average explains why he only got part of economics right (he missed the classes on balanced budgets). Now we have Palin who has zero economic education – scary. As for his contribution to the war, that is all doctors would let him do with his eyesight. But he did legitimately serve and someone has to make those films.

Poptech on November 30, 2008 at 1:25 PM

yes being an attorney makes you an expert on economics now

joey24007 on November 30, 2008 at 1:17 PM

No being the Libertarian candidate does.

Poptech on November 30, 2008 at 1:27 PM

why

do

you

keep

posting?

If

Palin

is

a

loser?

joey24007 on November 30, 2008 at 1:28 PM

yes being an attorney makes you an expert on economics now

joey24007 on November 30, 2008 at 1:17 PM

No being the Libertarian candidate does.

Poptech on November 30, 2008 at 1:27 PM

Oh, really now? Anyone that calls him/herself a Libertarian is an expert in economics? How quaint.

ddrintn on November 30, 2008 at 1:29 PM

Poptech is an Armchair Bob Barr supporter.

I quite my job, traveled to 7 different States with little compensation from the National Libertarian Party, buting my ass to get him on the ballot: Illinois, Ohio, Kentucky, New Hampshire, Connecticut, Maine, and Rhode Island.

But then McCain shockingly picked the woman who had been endorsed by the Libertarian Party for Governor of Alaska in 2006 as his running mate. And I immediately switched to McCain/Palin.

Even LP VP candidate Wayne Root acknowledged that the wind came out of the sails of Barr/Root with the Palin pick.

As Libertarians and as Libertarian Republicans, we need to be pragmatic. When the GOP screws up, vote Libertarian. But this time, the GOP extended an olive branch to the libertarians, by picking arguably the most libertarian politician in the Nation (save AZ’s Jeff Flake, CA’s Tom McClintock or Idaho Gov. Butch Otter): Sarah Palin.

Poptech, you should have been overjoyed with excitement with the Palin pick. I’m disheartened to see you now bash her so much.

You’re completely out-of-step with the rest of mainstream libertarians.

ericdondero on November 30, 2008 at 1:29 PM

Jim62sch: yes this is incredibly strange but also profoundly sinister. Don’t ever think that Obama’s merry men and women didn’t sit down with the head honchos of the MSM to orchestrate this strategy of eviscerating the McCain campaign by destroying SP’s credentials and scaring people sh**less that SP would be President on January 20, 2009 because McCain was going to drop dead suddenly. They kept pounding and pounding this theme. Again this was deliberate, not made up on the fly. If not for the financial meltdown and this one fact McCain could have won the election.

technopeasant on November 30, 2008 at 1:31 PM

His grade average explains why he only got part of economics right (he missed the classes on balanced budgets). Now we have Palin who has zero economic education – scary. As for his contribution to the war, that is all doctors would let him do with his eyesight. But he did legitimately serve and someone has to make those films.

Poptech on November 30, 2008 at 1:25 PM

Dude or Dudette, Who gives a rats as* about ones grade average! That doesn’t make a person! Most that have those type of grades. Are usually a very unstable person. Which you probably are too. I have very little college. I worked for some people that one could never have that chance! This is the most funniest part of some. Having a few degrees means diddly poo! And as for being in a War. Big deal! That doesn’t mean crap. But God Bless our Military. I have nothing against being in the Military. But that doesn’t mean jack. Get a clue! You are a nit wit.

sheebe on November 30, 2008 at 1:32 PM

Yes, greed had indeed added to the problem and so has government. Neither is the sole cause of the problem.

Greed is irrelevant in a market economy. Be who use the term are economically illiterate pushing nonsensical populist positions, implying that if only if business was not operated to make money.

Still- that is not the only problem you are having. You still have not addressed Mitt Romney’s support for the big three and then his thrashing of the big three automakers.

What? Supporting removing government regulations to support the U.S. Auto industry through free market policies is vastly different then pushing for a socialist solution.

When given the chance to cut taxes and cut spending, Romney did neither.

kcarpenter on November 30, 2008 at 1:18 PM
That is a lie.

Romney Vetoed More Than 800 Budget Line-Items (707 were overturned by the liberal Massachusetts Legislature)

- Romney convinced the unfriendly State Legislature to grant him unilateral power to make budget cuts in 2003
- Romney unveiled $343 million in cuts to cities, healthcare, and state agencies in 2003
- Romney successfully consolidated the social service and public health bureaucracy in 2003
- Romney eliminated half of the executive branch’s press positions, saving $1.2 million in 2003
- Romney successfully forced Medicaid recipients to make co-payments for some services in 2003
- Romney successfully pushed for legislation forcing new state workers to contribute 25% of their health insurance costs in 2003
- Romney proposed to revolutionize the Massachusetts state pension system by moving it to a defined contribution system in 2003
- Romney pushed to revamp the Pacheco Law, a union-backed measure that makes it nearly impossible to privatize state services in 2003
- Romney called for the privatization of the University of Massachusetts medical school in 2003
- Romney proposed measures to eliminate civil service protection for all municipal workers except police and firefighters and exempt low-cost public construction jobs from the state’s wage law in 2003
- Romney proposed easing pricing regulations on Massachusetts retailers in 2003
- Romney Vetoed A Provision That Would Have Renewed A Prescription Drug Tax in 2003
- Romney proposed easing decades-old state regulations on wetlands in 2004
- Romney Vetoed Retroactive Pay Increases For State Employees in 2004
- Romney proposed cutting the state’s income-tax rate from 5.3% to 5.0% in 2004, 2005 and 2006
- Romney succeeded in passing a bill preventing the capital gains tax from being applied retroactively in 2005
- Romney signed legislation that provided property tax relief to seniors in 2005
- Romney signed legislation establishing a two-day tax-free shopping holiday in 2005
- Romney fought for welfare legislation increasing the number of hours each week recipients must work and establishing a five-year limit for receiving benefits in 2005
- Romney aggressively pushed to deregulate Massachusetts’ “Soviet-style” auto insurance industry in 2005
- Romney Vetoed a bill limiting the ability of out-of-state wineries to ship directly to Massachusetts consumers, calling the legislation “anti-consumer” in 2005
- Romney used his emergency fiscal powers to make $425 million worth of cuts in 2006
- Romney Vetoed the employer mandate that requires businesses with 11 or more full-time employees to provide health insurance in 2006
- Romney Vetoed an increase in the minimum wage from $6.75 to $8.00 in 2006
- Romney Signed a bill streamlining the state’s cumbersome permitting process for new businesses in 2006
- Romney Line-Item Vetoed $100,000 For A Gazebo On Sunset Lake In Braintree in 2006
- Romney Vetoed $150,000 For The University Of Massachusetts To Study The Winter Moth in 2006
- Romney Vetoed $4 Million To Research The Efficiency Of The Internal Combustion Engine in 2006
- Romney has ruled out the option of raising Social Security taxes, embraced the idea of reducing the growth rate of future benefits, and supports personal accounts in 2007

Poptech on November 30, 2008 at 1:32 PM

As Libertarians and as Libertarian Republicans, we need to be pragmatic. When the GOP screws up, vote Libertarian. But this time, the GOP extended an olive branch to the libertarians, by picking arguably the most libertarian politician in the Nation (save AZ’s Jeff Flake, CA’s Tom McClintock or Idaho Gov. Butch Otter): Sarah Palin.

Poptech, you should have been overjoyed with excitement with the Palin pick. I’m disheartened to see you now bash her so much.

You’re completely out-of-step with the rest of mainstream libertarians.

ericdondero on November 30, 2008 at 1:29 PM

Eric, you keep stating the same propaganda OVER and OVER, Where do Libertarians support Cap and Trade and Government controlling corporate Greed?

Poptech on November 30, 2008 at 1:35 PM

This conversation seems somewhat repetitive.

I’ll be interested to see where all this goes over the next four years. There are a lot of people who could be in the mix by the time the primaries roll around, and we have the 2010 elections too. In the meantime, the meeting on Tuesday with Obama and the governors should be quite interesting since so many of the players on both sides will be there.

meltenn on November 30, 2008 at 1:37 PM

Eric, you keep stating the same propaganda OVER and OVER
Poptech on November 30, 2008 at 1:35 PM

POT, MEET KETTLE – KETTLE, MEET POT

thomasaur on November 30, 2008 at 1:39 PM

SP will be in the national spotlight over the next 3 days. Has she ever really left it? By the traffic on this blog, I don’t think so.

technopeasant on November 30, 2008 at 1:40 PM

Poptech, it’s interesting that you praise Romney’s mostly unsuccessful efforts to cut spending (I give him props for that, too), but you won’t acknowledge Palin’s mostly successful efforts at the same thing.

Everything else aside, the main thing that got me on board with Sarah Palin (long before McCain picked her) was her willingness to confront and punish corruption, in whatever political party it could be found. I haven’t seen that spirit in Romney, or anyone else among the front-runners.

So far as Palin’s initial support for the Gravina Island Bridge goes, I’m glad that she came around eventually. However, don’t forget that Romney supported the Big Dig, probably the most wasteful boondoggle in American history.

Jim62sch on November 30, 2008 at 1:41 PM

This conversation seems somewhat repetitive.

meltenn on November 30, 2008 at 1:37 PM

The whole anti-Palin slime job since August 29 has been sort of like some tape loop.

ddrintn on November 30, 2008 at 1:41 PM

Eric, you keep stating the same propaganda OVER and OVER, Where do Libertarians support Cap and Trade and Government controlling corporate Greed?

Poptech on November 30, 2008 at 1:35 PM

Now you are sounding like a true idiot! Palin is nothing like that. She is for Trade. Cap to a certain extent. But not Government controlling and corporate greed. Get real here. Your spew makes no sense at all. Which is it? Palin or Romney? You are attacking both. At least both held offices and have experience with Governing. Barr has none.

sheebe on November 30, 2008 at 1:42 PM

While some perceptions (false or real) can be overcome for Palin – such as the nonsense that she doesn’t read – and she can continue to mature politically, there is one albatross Romney has that she doesn’t…

Unless Romney & the LDS spend the next 4 years educating the non-Mormon public, and undoing the ingrained misconceptions about their faith, the general public (lefties,righties, moderates) never elect him.

Poptech – even you, as a supporter of Romney, fail to understand and have erroneously portrayed his faith when you said “No Romney taught his kids how to use
Condoms”. The Law of Chastity is a central & important moral code within the LDS.

The US media is very intolerant to religion. But this isn’t the same as the Catholic issue with JFK,; the media successfully portrays Mormons as polygamous cultists, or at best, as a bunch of Polly-annas. Either way – unidimensional caricatures of a fringe religion. How is your guy going to overcome this?

batterup on November 30, 2008 at 1:42 PM

Where do Libertarians support Cap and Trade and Government controlling corporate Greed?

Poptech on November 30, 2008 at 1:35 PM

Poptech, could you link that? Were those independent statements of policy, or did she say those things when she was forced to support McCain’s craptastic talking points?

Jim62sch on November 30, 2008 at 1:43 PM

Palin has not only got the Greed out in her State. She fought both sides. There are good and bad in every party. She also has a high Security Clearance that Biden nor the Creature has. She is stable, doesn’t let weenies like Potech or others that say ill crap. Get to her. She holds her head up high! Grace, intelligence and she still has that Womanly touch that she carries.

sheebe on November 30, 2008 at 1:46 PM

This conversation seems somewhat repetitive.

meltenn on November 30, 2008 at 1:37 PM

Yeah, but it’s good practice for the primaries. This stuff will be recycled then. Poptech isn’t a very good sparring partner (more like a punching bag), but better than nothing.

Jim62sch on November 30, 2008 at 1:49 PM

batterup on November 30, 2008 at 1:42 PM

Excellent way you put that. I did vote for Romney in the Primaries. I did like him. But, you are right about the way he handled it. I felt like an outsider since I am not fond of the Mormon Religion in some aspects. Nor other Religions. That shouldn’t make a candidate to be honest. Palin didn’t come across like that. She held the other importance above first. Sorry, haven’t been awake that long. Hard time saying things until coffee sets in.

sheebe on November 30, 2008 at 1:50 PM

The US media is very intolerant to religion. But this isn’t the same as the Catholic issue with JFK,; the media successfully portrays Mormons as polygamous cultists, or at best, as a bunch of Polly-annas. Either way – unidimensional caricatures of a fringe religion. How is your guy going to overcome this?

batterup on November 30, 2008 at 1:42 PM

I don’t know if it’s “inolerance” per se. I think it’s mainly something to pick at when you can’t stand a person’s politics, like Sarah Palin and the “speaking in tongues” and the “African witch doctor” garbage that was thrown at her. If Romney were a liberal Democrat, it would be verboten to speak slightingly of his faith. Ditto Sarah Palin.

ddrintn on November 30, 2008 at 1:56 PM

*intolerance

ddrintn on November 30, 2008 at 1:56 PM

If Romney were a liberal Democrat, it would be verboten to speak slightingly of his faith. Ditto Sarah Palin.

ddrintn on November 30, 2008 at 1:56 PM

To find the proof of this, you don’t have to look any further than Harry Reid. They hardly ever mention that he is LDS.

Jim62sch on November 30, 2008 at 1:59 PM

I have much admiration for Sarah. When she first came on the stage. Being a Woman, she mesmerized me. The intelligence that she has. Not to mention her beauty! Looks are not all for anyone. Is in the mind, the heart. But looks do help. She obviously takes real good care of herself. She has a beautiful family. A politician does use their religious philosophy in seeing if decisions they make reflects on it. Never have I noticed until last few President elections. Where people were throwing religion in as ones character. That to me doesn’t make sense. I don’t recall Sarah doing that. Is why I admire and love her so much. She Rocks!!

sheebe on November 30, 2008 at 2:01 PM

If truth be told most people are born into a religion. To attack someone for his or her religion is literally to attack the beliefs of one’s parents. In the 21st c are we back to the traditional relgious belief that the sins of the parents should be visited upon their children and their children’s children? I hope not. The children of the late 60’s and the 70’s will be consigned by their hippie parentage to eternal misery and defeat. Just joking.

technopeasant on November 30, 2008 at 2:11 PM

If Christians are not careful, they are in danger of being labelled Philistines. How far we have come from the Middle Ages where the only so-called educated intellects then were the priests and scribes who were revered by the illiterate majority to the 21st c to where Christians are looked upon now as buffoons,’out of the mainstream’ and objects of anti-intellectual ridicule, which of course is fostered by the MSM and its secular humanist cohorts.

technopeasant on November 30, 2008 at 2:29 PM

I hope America can get beyond religion and identity politics when assessing whether to vote for politicians. America will never be a theocracy-let’s move off this false premise. And women gained the right to vote in 1920. They have every right to run for the highest office in the land.

technopeasant on November 30, 2008 at 2:39 PM

If Romney were a liberal Democrat, it would be verboten to speak slightingly of his faith. Ditto Sarah Palin.

ddrintn on November 30, 2008 at 1:56 PM
To find the proof of this, you don’t have to look any further than Harry Reid. They hardly ever mention that he is LDS.

Jim62sch on November 30, 2008 at 1:59 PM

Oy, Harry Reid. Let’s say he were running for president instead of a senator from a state with a decent Mormon population. He wouldn’t face the same bias because – you are right he is a Dem, but also because he is a MSM stool. And Reid’s positions run afoul of the LDS – frequently enough, and far enough afoul that there are periodic calls for ex-communication. But don’t you think Orren Hatch would face the same anti-Mormon bias as Romney?

Romney & the LDS have 4 years to undue decades of anti-Mormon sentiment in the the pop-culture voters, if there isn’t an active campaign to do this he may be the Mormon Dole in 2012. Just a stumbling block to the Obamcracy in for 8 years.

batterup on November 30, 2008 at 2:41 PM

technopeasant on November 30, 2008 at 2:39 PM

I agree with all your posts. I am not against Religion at all. There are many unique people of all Faiths. Never was a hippie. My sisters were. I was to young. I have six older sisters! Isn’t it funny how the real hippies have not changed much either? Some do, but a few of my sisters are beyond reality still. :)

sheebe on November 30, 2008 at 2:51 PM

There are two types of Christians: the first, a small fanatical minority whose primary goal in life is to tell other people how to live and the second and in the vast majority, who believe their faith is a significant individual component of their life but who do not choose to proselytize, tell people how to live or conduct themselves or make over government to suit their personal beliefs. Sarah Palin is definitely of the second school. It will be up to her supporters to convince the electorate of this fact over the next 4 years.

technopeasant on November 30, 2008 at 2:52 PM

A few weeks ago, I called some electorates, and told them how I felt about The Creature. If you contact you Secretary of State, the person will give you the names and phone numbers. This is Ca. Not sure about other States. I got some real good feedback from most of them too. :)

sheebe on November 30, 2008 at 2:59 PM

oops typo, your Secretary of State. Coffee not working yet. :)

sheebe on November 30, 2008 at 2:59 PM

When given the chance to cut taxes and cut spending, Romney did neither.

kcarpenter on November 30, 2008 at 1:18 PM
That is a lie.

Romney Vetoed More Than 800 Budget Line-Items (707 were overturned by the liberal Massachusetts Legislature)

Then Romney promptly undid everything you say and he says he believes in by giving them RomneyCare.

You cannot keep avoiding Romney’s record on spending. Romney talks about no tax increases and then promptly increased fees on everything under the sun. How about that internet tax Romney imposed.

I am not saying Romney is fiscally liberal, but the man did not live what he says he believes. In government that is tough to do.

But no more blinders. We all put on blinders at about this time last year. The only Republican presidential candidates to step forward all had problems with their liberalism, including Romney. Every single one of them generated very little passion and loyalty from the conservative community. It was not until Sarah came along did the conservative community even show that they had a pulse and were interested in the presidential race.

Romney was not my first choice, but he certainly was higher on my list than John McCain.

Now that may make you angry, but that is the reality.

kcarpenter on November 30, 2008 at 3:02 PM

kcarpenter: This is why the conservative community is not going to let this chance to boost SP to get away. Barring her own decision not to run in 2012, I am firmly convinced that, unless something untoward happens, that it will get firmly behind one of their own. I could be wrong; somebody else might emerge. But with the conservative community SP has high cred and visibility. Her personal charisma enhances everything she brings to the table.

technopeasant on November 30, 2008 at 3:08 PM

I could be wrong…. But with the conservative community SP has high cred and visibility. Her personal charisma enhances everything she brings to the table.
technopeasant on November 30, 2008 at 3:08 PM

You are not wrong. That is correct. Yes she does.

Obama: Keep your bags packed.

gracie on November 30, 2008 at 3:22 PM

Here we go again, not reading what I say and instead knee-jerk react to what you think I said.

Poptech on November 30, 2008 at 1:07 PM

Get your own blog. You’ll find out quickly who gives a hoot what you think. Obviously, no one here cares.

chunderroad on November 30, 2008 at 3:31 PM

Palin can win, and the media knows that her victory would be battery acid down their throats. All the more reason to vote for her.

rob verdi on November 30, 2008 at 3:34 PM

kcarpenter,
I like Rommney and think he could have been a good executive, but you raise solid points, but he was governor of Liberal state and that surely affected some of his policy choices.

rob verdi on November 30, 2008 at 3:36 PM

Now that may make you angry, but that is the reality.

kcarpenter on November 30, 2008 at 3:02 PM

It doesn’t make me angry. All the GOP candidates sucked in 2008. Now Romney has risen from the dead, and his supporters have become like Paultards. Wake me from this nightmare.

chunderroad on November 30, 2008 at 3:36 PM

technopeasant on November 30, 2008 at 1:01 PM

Sorry, I meant Romney and Sarah. What a good looking pres and vp.

Jim62sch – personally I’m very happy they don’t mention Reid’s religion. He is a sorry representative.
By the way, Romney never mentioned his religion. He never used it when he was gov.
Just how many Mormons are out there beheading non Mormons?
I admit they do proselytize, but are just following the Bible to share the “Good News” (gospel).
Mormons are the most patriotic people in this country. They love this country, believe the Constitution was divinely inspired, believe they should support our leaders, higher percentage serve in the military. and on and on.
These missionaries, who are sent out, give up 2 years of their lives, live in very basic conditions, do not see their families, do not call home except on Mother’s Day and Christmas, pay their own way, do not date and come back to finish college and go on with their lives. They learn to love the people they serve, have great skills in the language who’s country they serve in.
Mormons do not practice polygamy and have not for over 100 years.
Mormons believe in Jesus Christ as Savior of the world.
They are not a cult and are law abiding people.
They have been prosecuted from the beginning and still are (look at prop 8 in CA). They do much good with their welfare system which expects people to work for welfare and learn a trade.
So let’s leave his religion out of it. Romney is a good, honest man. He turned a corrupt system around (Olympics) and of course all the businesses he had been able to turn around, and yes, people have been fired, but how do you turn around a business unless you eliminate useless and duplicate jobs (try feather bedding).

Bambi on November 30, 2008 at 3:49 PM

Look Libertarians and Socons,

If we don’t unite, we lose indefinitely. The math is pretty simple.

No party will win as a party of lightly regulated selfishness.

No party will win as a party only open to religious social conservatives.

Wonder twin powers activate: Form of the “Party of Reagan”.

Sarah Palin has only one valid criticism: She is not up to speed with national issues. If she wants to run in 2012, she could probably pull it off, but her main focus has to be on governing Alaska, winning a second term to keep the outsider image, and helping the national party.

Regarding Romney, the problem is that he has no true convictions, or has them and has not convinced us yet. We all know he knows more about economics and business than the other possibilities. But, he lacks the guts of a Sarah Palin. I cannot follow him into battle yet. He seems like that ticketpunching officer you know won’t be around.

Huckabee is too one-dimensional with the religious conservatives but lacks any weight with libertarians and like Romney is too much about himself.

Jindal seems like a possible, although he is young and 2012 could be early. However, based on what I know, I’d take him over the others in 2012 assuming we get hit with the Peter Schiff meltdown before the next election.

At this time, I don’t see any other STRONG possibilities.

And to Poptech,

It is not your criticism of Palin not having enough national experience at this time to be POTUS. She was only the VP candidate. The problem that Palin supporters like me have with you is the insulting criticism of Sarah. You have to remember that when a nice lady like Sarah and her family are criticized in what we perceive is an unfair or ungentlemenly manner, we by our nature will come to her aid and defense. When attacks are leveled at her that way, it only stokes our masculine instincts to protect the better sex. She is still the only GOP politician I would go into battle with.

Anybody remember Hillary Clinton almost going to tears on TV? I hate her politics, but when I saw that and the sexism by the pro-Obama media, I wanted to kicked the MSM’s a** for hurting another woman, mother, wife. Heck, I wanted to hug the woman and deflect every blow.

Sarah can roll with the punches better than anybody. We witnessed it and the MSM is still trying to destroy her. As long as they and you continue, I’ll gladly speak up on her behalf.

Romney, must prove he is a REAL leader, and not just a businessman or a politician. When he does, he gets my vote, especially if he reaches out to socons with more than words but true convictions. Where are those Mormon socon values to go with his economics background?

Sapwolf on November 30, 2008 at 4:00 PM

They have been prosecuted persecuted from the beginning and still are (look at prop 8 in CA).

Romney’s biggest problem is his phoniness, his smarminess and the disturbing zeal with which he kneecapped his opponents in the primaries, or that is how it was perceived by many. I will concede his ending his campaign was gracious. The GOP should be promoting its future, though.

chunderroad on November 30, 2008 at 4:06 PM

Memo to Allahpundit: get a new picture of Sarah Palin.

You’re really getting tedious with this “wink” thing.

Grow the F’ up.

pabarge on November 30, 2008 at 4:27 PM

chunderroad
Thanks for correcting.
However, I thought he was the one who was kneecapped!
He put out truth about his opponents and he was called smarmy, phony. No, he is not either of those two.
But then we have to believe those who hated him because he went to Church on Sunday and the wrong Church.
There is another I would call smarmy, glib, phony, envious, but I won’t mention the name.

Bambi on November 30, 2008 at 4:28 PM

Wow, over 1000 comments on the thread. This is almost like a Sarah Palin post over at GretaWire, except most of the comments over there are older women gushing over how awesome she is.

Those women are her real base, and will be the soldiers out working for her. What I like about the Cuda threads here is that strategy, strengths, and shortcomings are actually intelligently discussed (trolling aside).

Yeah, she has some shortfalls but they can be addressed. Her charisma is one of her main assets, and it’s an important one. The other contenders are going to have to work hard if they want to overcome it.

Jim62sch on November 30, 2008 at 4:31 PM

Bill Gates is the big exception outside of Hollywood/Media types. Please stop with the spin.

Poptech on November 30, 2008 at 11:46 AM

Actually, quite a few successful entrepreneurs don’t have college degrees or have college degrees from unimpressive institutions. In fact, college pretty much bores them because they are interested in implementing their ideas into action. I’m sure the person who thinks of the next big idea is going to be a non-college grad. Frankly, being good at school and good at work are two completely different things; being good at school means following the rules and being good at work means breaking them.

Illinidiva on November 30, 2008 at 4:31 PM

She was familiar with it, just I HIGHLY doubt she reads it. Which is why she didn’t say it because she was not sure if they said anything negative about her and I doubt aware of it’s libertarian/conservative views. I am even less convinced she was aware Murdock purchased the WSJ and probably only knew him as the owner of FOX News.

Poptech on November 30, 2008 at 1:03 PM

Dude I also don’t read the WSJ on a regular basis and haven’t done so since I was in college. I don’t think that this is a knock against me. I’m sure like most of us Palin gets her news online.

Illinidiva on November 30, 2008 at 4:34 PM

Memo to Allahpundit: get a new picture of Sarah Palin.
You’re really getting tedious with this “wink” thing.
Grow the F’ up.
pabarge on November 30, 2008 at 4:27 PM

I agree. Allah, please put a nicer picture of Sarah up. Your threadcount will go up..more hits from those mad that she is so beautiful and from those glad that she is.

gracie on November 30, 2008 at 4:37 PM

He put out truth about his opponents and he was called smarmy, phony. No, he is not either of those two.

There is another I would call smarmy, glib, phony, envious, but I won’t mention the name.

Bambi on November 30, 2008 at 4:28 PM

“First, Not France” and “Hillary=France”(February 27, 2007)

A “leaked” playbook for the Romney campaign gives insight into what staffers think his weaknesses are. Among them? Too perfect hair. But what critics pounced on aren’t the perceived weakness so much as his oddly earnest appeal to make France the boogeyman of the campaign, going so far as to envision the weirdly non- referential “Hillary = France” bumper stickers.

“The one by L. Ron Hubbard…I’m not in favor of his religion by any means, but he wrote a book called ‘Battlefield Earth’ that was a very fun science fiction book.”(May 1, 2007)

It’s remarkable enough for a serious Presidential contender to name a book of genre fiction as his — or her — favorite novel. But naming Hubbard’s “Battlefield Earth” on Fox News raised a host of questions Romney could have avoided if he’d named something by Ray Bradbury. First of all, many Americans already view Romney’s own faith as suspiciously cultlike in some respects — so why draw personal attention to Hubbard’s religion, Scientology, which has a more sinister reputation? Putting religion aside, “Battlefield Earth” is almost universally regarded as a terrible book, even by the standards of science fiction junkies. Turgid, repetitive and at times nonsensical, it became a bestseller largely through the efforts of Scientologists who bought bulk shipments. Romney managed to compound the error by later saying that the book wasn’t even really his favorite, rather, that it was “one of” them and that he also enjoyed “Huck Finn.”

“I purchased a gun when I was a young man. I’ve been a hunter pretty much all my life.”(April 3, 2007)

“I’m not a big-game hunter. I’ve made that very clear. I’ve always been a rodent and rabbit hunter. Small varmints, if you will. I began when I was 15 or so and I have hunted those kinds of varmints since then. More than two times.”
(April 5, 2007)

Another instance of Romney’s post-gaffe spin being more of a spiral upward than a tamping down. It was bad enough when Romney’s staff had to step in and clarify his boast of being a “pretty much” life-long hunter to mean he had been hunting twice. Later in the same week, Romney sought to make light of the exaggeration with his reference to “varmints,” a word that tripped off his Harvard-educated tongue about as gamely as John Kerry’s proclamation of NASCAR appreciation. Perhaps most damaging, both remarks gave reporters a chance to look into Romney’s history on gun rights, revealing a set of “evolutions” from moderate to conservative stances that matched his embrace of pro-life views.

“Liquefied coal, gosh. Hitler during the Second World War — I guess because he was concerned about losing his oil — liquefied coal. That technology is still there.”
(April 19, 2007)

Romney ruminated on Hitler’s scientific achievements unprompted, in a Q & A about energy policy. As the New York Sun’s Ryan Sager said at the time, you wouldn’t think that anyone running for president would have to be told, “Don’t mention Hitler in a positive light.”

“Hugo Chavez has tried to steal an inspiring phrase — ‘Patria o muerte, venceremos.’ It does not belong to him. It belongs to a free Cuba.”(March 9, 2007)

Another case of campaign researchers apparently being off for the day: “Patria o muerte, venceremos” (which means in Spanish, “Fatherland or death, we shall overcome”) does not belong to a free Cuba. The starkly fascistic phrase was, in fact, a tagline for Castro, who Romney had, earlier in the same speech, declared “a stain on Cuban soil.” Romney might have gotten away with the misattribution had his audience been anywhere else than where — and what — it was: fiercely anti-Castro Latino Republicans gathered for the Miami-Dade Lincoln Day Dinner.

“Her positions are not terribly relevant to my campaign.”
(May 10, 2007)

Anne Romney’s $150 donation to Planned Parenthood over a decade ago is, in itself, not that surprising or scandalous. After all, the Governor was pro-choice in 1994 — he’s gone out of his way to say he isn’t any more, but hasn’t ever tried to say he never was. What is surprising is that the man who’s tried to superglue himself to “family values” would throw his wife under the bus to reporters with nary a second thought.

“In France, for instance, I’m told that marriage is now frequently contracted in seven-year terms where either party may move on when their term is up. How shallow and how different from the Europe of the past.”(May 5, 2007)

In his most bizarre misstatement of the past three months — including the Battlefield Earth shout-out! — Romney used the occasion of a commencement address at Regents University to condemn a non-existent French marriage policy. The line was picked up, without comment, by the Washington Post; when reporters tried to suss out what the candidate could possibly be referring to, a spokesman referred them to France’s civil union agreements…which have no set end date, either. One possible source for the impressively specific legalese ups the odd quotient even further: Seven-year marriage contracts are a plot point in the “Memories of Earth” science fiction series by Mormon author Orson Scott Card, itself a retelling of the Mormon theology in which the limited marriages stand in for the other non-traditional marriage practices of that faith. What’s Romney really trying to say here? That the French are Mormons? That they’re from outer space?

“Some people have said we ought to close Guantanamo. My view is we ought to double Guantanamo.”
(May 15, 2007)
Voicing support for Guantanamo’s controversial (and legally dubious) “enemy combatant” program is a sure way to win over the hearts of the GOP base. That’s not the problem — Romney’s strange locution at the South Carolina Republican Debate, “Double Guantanamo,” sounds like an order at a Cuban coffee bar, not a policy proposal, and it leaves listeners in the dark as to what the Governor actually favors. A bigger prison? More prisoners? Extra-foam waterboarding?

“I’m not going to weigh in. I’m still a governor.”
(December 28, 2006)

Romney’s inartful dodge, in an interview with the conservative publication Human Events, was in response to a question about whether he was in favor of the troop surge in Iraq. He later came out in favor of the policy, once he took off his “governor” hat and traded it in for “management expert for President” cap.

by Ana Marie Cox for Time Magazine

These are statements by Romney. None of these quotes are taken out of context. Romney is not able to effectively engage his audience. He comes across as vain, pompous, smarmy and makes weird jokes that leave people scratching their heads. There’s a lot to be said for charisma. Romney never had it, and he’ll never win a national election.

chunderroad on November 30, 2008 at 5:24 PM

Poptech, Can we wait until 2011 until we start throwing bombs at each other?

An Era of Hate on November 30, 2008 at 5:43 PM

Anybody attempting to engage joey on Palin is wasting their time. This guy is like some sort of lovesick school boy and/or stalkerish groupie. He has no ability whatsoever to credibly or logically discuss the pros and cons of Gov. Palin. The dude is in love. Check out his creepy website. Palin should probably think about a restraining order.

dakine on November 30, 2008 at 6:25 PM

dakine on November 30, 2008 at 6:25 PM

so scientists have been able to come up with ways for rodents to communicate using computers

interesting

joey24007 on November 30, 2008 at 6:34 PM

Oh.. so he like Palin.. Big deal. I think that it is much creepier to demand Palin’s head because she doesn’t read the WSJ and her daughter had sex.

Illinidiva on November 30, 2008 at 6:34 PM

Oh.. so he like Palin.. Big deal. I think that it is much creepier to demand Palin’s head because she doesn’t read the WSJ and her daughter had sex.

Illinidiva on November 30, 2008 at 6:34 PM

thanks

but I can handle this POS myself

anybody who reads my blog will see that I am absolutely serious in discussing current issues in the political world and the people who contribute to my blog are world class folks

we support Gov. Palin because we feel that she is the answer to what the GOP lacks

this Dakine couldn’t debate his way out of a telephone booth

joey24007 on November 30, 2008 at 6:39 PM

In 2004, at this point, the leading GOP contenders were Bill Frist and the former Virginia Senator who lost his seat to James Webb. So why are we discussing these polls so much now?

Phil Byler on November 30, 2008 at 7:21 PM

Actually, quite a few successful entrepreneurs don’t have college degrees or have college degrees from unimpressive institutions. In fact, college pretty much bores them because they are interested in implementing their ideas into action. I’m sure the person who thinks of the next big idea is going to be a non-college grad. Frankly, being good at school and good at work are two completely different things; being good at school means following the rules and being good at work means breaking them.

Illinidiva on November 30, 2008 at 4:31 PM

Steve Jobs.

the_nile on November 30, 2008 at 7:22 PM

Off subject a bit, but can you folks start using a different picture of Governor Palin? That half wink picture is annoying. OK, thanks for letting me get that off my chest. It’s been bugging me for weeks.

Major Nuisance on November 30, 2008 at 7:28 PM

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