Zogby on 2012: Palin leads among Republicans, Romney leads among all voters
posted at 4:30 pm on November 28, 2008 by Allahpundit
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Check that: Romney barely leads among all voters, within the margin of error. But here’s evidence, in case more was needed, of how sharply conservatives’ view of the ‘Cuda diverges from America’s. Among Republicans, it’s Palin 24.4, Mitt 18.1, Jindal 15.6; among everyone, Mitt 13.7, Palin 13.4, Jindal 12.5.
What happened to Huck, who was in the thick of things when Gallup recently asked a similar question? Palin happened to Huck:
Among Republicans, she gets the support of 30% of Born-Again Christians, 32% of weekly churchgoers, 34% of National Rifle Association members, 28% of current gun owners and 29% of self-identified conservatives. More GOP support comes from 32% of blue collar workers, 30% who shop weekly at Wal-Mart, 28% of NASCAR fans and 25% of both those with children under 17 and those with family members in the military…
Palin looks to be stealing Huckabee’s thunder among Republican religious conservatives and working class voters. Huckabee is an ordained Southern Baptist minister, and his highest GOP totals still come from Born-Again Christians (15%) and weekly churchgoers (18%), but those numbers are about half of those drawn by Palin. Despite his populist economic message, he wins only 10% of blue collar Republicans.
There’s your explanation for why he’s been taking shots at her lately, in case it wasn’t already clear. Interesting to see Jindal’s numbers so high, though, given how comparatively low his profile is and how poorly he fared in the Gallup poll. As another young rock-star “future of the party” governor, I wonder if he isn’t peeling votes away from Palin among people who’ve soured on her for whatever reason. Exit invitation: Go ahead and tell me that the only reason she polls so much lower among all voters is because Democrats fear her. You know you want to.
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so why does Romney contribute to the NY Times?
he must not have the intelligence to avoid the liberal papers I guess
why would he give readership to that paper?
come on man, we all know that you read the latest scoop on “Batboy”
joey24007 on November 30, 2008 at 10:41 AM
Poptech just lurches from one discredited argument to the next as his points are knocked down like bowling pins. What’s next, rape kits? Tanning bed? Faked pregnancy?
Jim62sch on November 30, 2008 at 10:42 AM
Barking news:Faked tanning rape.
Pooptech working on his CV to get into the MSM.
the_nile on November 30, 2008 at 10:45 AM
Why not contribute to the third largest newspaper in the country? What kind of ridiculous comment is that. If you want to get your message out to a wider audience, it helps to get in the NYT. He also contributes to the WSJ. This is is just a ridiculous comment. If you want to spread the conservative message you need to get in the liberal’s major publications.
Poptech on November 30, 2008 at 10:46 AM
“debating” with Poptech reminds me of this
http://www.cyberiapc.com/flashgames/duckhunt.htm
joey24007 on November 30, 2008 at 10:47 AM
None of my points have been knocked down, unless you count the strawmen arguments made by the fanboys.
Poptech on November 30, 2008 at 10:47 AM
but you just said only those with low intelligence would read a liberal paper
who would these people, like Palin, understand what Romney is talking about?
they wouldn’t understand things like “bankruptcy and bailout”
it would be way over their head, right?
too funny
joey24007 on November 30, 2008 at 10:48 AM
If they support Cap and Trade and stopping corporate greed then they are economically illiterate. Sorry but idiots who support increased energy costs via government intervention for Al Gore’s propaganda are economically illiterate.
Poptech on November 30, 2008 at 10:50 AM
Your confused, in a desperate attempt to save Palin’s lack of ability to answer the most basic of questions. I made no comment about the NYT readers in general, just Palin’s inability to know that non-liberal biased papers exist. Their are plenty of NYT readers who have been brainwashed their whole life but have the mental capacity to understand the piece and hopefully convinced the GM bailout is a bad idea.
Poptech on November 30, 2008 at 10:53 AM
Which Potus candidate doesn’t support the GM bailout by now?
the_nile on November 30, 2008 at 10:57 AM
how does one save somebody’s “lack on an ability”?
wow
joey24007 on November 30, 2008 at 10:58 AM
Romney…
Let Detroit Go Bankrupt (The New York Times)
Poptech on November 30, 2008 at 11:00 AM
Poptech, you’re building an entire thesis regarding what Palin reads or doesn’t read and what she knows about newspapers based on the fact that Palin refused to answer one question? I don’t follow your logic.
I have no idea what any of the candidates read, since nobody bothered to ask them ‘what type of newspapers do you read to understand the world’. Poptech, you told us what newspapers you read. Which ones of those do you read in order to understand the world and establish your worldview?
Phoenician on November 30, 2008 at 11:01 AM
You can’t but you can make excuses and spread propaganda.
Poptech on November 30, 2008 at 11:01 AM
Who said Palin supports the GM bailout? What other republicans support it?
Phoenician on November 30, 2008 at 11:02 AM
Well , he is flip flopping on that , as you know.
the_nile on November 30, 2008 at 11:03 AM
we may disagree with Romney … but at least we have class when we discuss the man, we don’t call him dumb and illiterate
we just point out where we disagree with him
these anti-Palin folks are just classless rodents
I mean, what does Palin’s kid have to do with her?
shameful political discourse
joey24007 on November 30, 2008 at 11:05 AM
She was asked what newspapers she reads and could not answer the question. The logic is she could not answer a simple question. A. Either she doesn’t read newspapers, B. The newspapers she reads she is embarrassed to admit or C. Wasn’t sure of the political leanings of the newspapers she does read. All make her incompetent to be POTUS.
I read newspapers to get the news, my understanding of the world comes from many books, extensive research online and various other sources.
Poptech on November 30, 2008 at 11:07 AM
thats awesome
I don’t read newspapers at all, waste of money
joey24007 on November 30, 2008 at 11:08 AM
No he is not, last year he was talking about removing ridiculous socialist government regulation such as CAFE standards ect… which is hurting the U.S. auto industry.
Poptech on November 30, 2008 at 11:10 AM
Romney mania runnin’ wild!
joey24007 on November 30, 2008 at 11:12 AM
You see, there your basic logic goes wrong. She was answered a question and she did not answer it. You decided she could not answer it. You then go on to say you could not answer the question either, since you don’t get your worldview from newspapers. You get it from ‘books’, ‘online’ and ‘various other sources’. Imagine the shock if Palin would have said that.
Phoenician on November 30, 2008 at 11:12 AM
My name is Mitt Romney … you may remember me as the guy who spent millions of my own money but lost to the other guy, McCain, who carried his own luggage
joey24007 on November 30, 2008 at 11:13 AM
She was
answeredasked a questionPhoenician on November 30, 2008 at 11:13 AM
The only one’s with no class are the Palin fanboys who invent strawmen because they have no points. I never called Palin dumb or illiterate but specifically ECONOMICALLY ILLITERATE. She has a journalism degree and is thus, likely very “literate”.
Poptech on November 30, 2008 at 11:13 AM
On the newspaper thing:
Jim62sch on November 30, 2008 at 11:15 AM
LMAO! Please stop with the spin, it is utterly embarrassing. Oh so her intent was to make herself look like an idiot on national Television? LMAO!
Yes imagine if she had said ANYTHING! LMAO!
Poptech on November 30, 2008 at 11:16 AM
Well how come Alaska is the one state that’s not in recession.
If she really was “ECONOMICALLY ILLITERATE” it would be a mess.
the_nile on November 30, 2008 at 11:17 AM
Poptech- you do realize that Romney did support the $700 billion bailout, right?
http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080926/NEWS15/809260379
He even supported a bailout for the big three automakers when he was in Michigan.
Now your excuse may be that Romney was just stumping for McCain, but so was Sarah Palin.
By the way, if you cannot realize that Wallstreet is full of greedy fatcats who have added to our country’s economic problems, then perhaps you should not be discussing the economy at all.
I am not an economist, but even I can see the big three automakers, the bankers, the insurance folks are living high off the hog, even as the businesses they run are being bailed out by the Joe the Plumber types.
You don’t think people have the right to be angry about this?
For being such an expert, Romney was the only governor in any state in the US that posted zero job growth between 2002 and 2006- the years he was governor. While every other state was recovering after 9/11, his state lost 8,500 during that time frame.
Unemployment numbers were not too bad under Romney, because people were running from the state to leave to find a job. With the exception of Louisiana, who suffered though Hurricane Katrina during that time, more people left his state than came to his state to find work. His state had one of the worst out-migration numbers in American history.
Now not all of it was Romney’s fault, there are things beyond your control and one of them is having to deal with the rest of the liberal government he was surrounded by.
Romney walked into a bad situation and from all appearances, he left the state of Massachusetts in worse shape than when he got there. He left them saddled with all the problems they had before, plus a big incompetent government run health care plan that the residents of Massachusetts are currently trying to out from under.
4 years and Romney bolted.
So let’s stop pretending that Romney is some kind of financial wizard able to fix the kind of problems our country is currently faced with. He cannot, no single person can fix it.
It will take a nation to fix the problems. It will take a leader with a servant’s heart, that can inspire a nation put their noses to the grindstone and work their way out of this.
Ronald Reagan inspired people to be better than they were. He inspired them to work harder. He brought back the American dream.
We can clearly see that Sarah Palin has that in her. She has inspired people. She has created a passion, that will not be easily destroyed. You can see that alone, just from the way the posts that mention Sarah Palin’s name fires up the folks.
Her entire life story is representative of the American Dream.
Ronald Reagan did not start out with even his own party behind him. He stayed with it. He continued to tell people that they can do this, they control their own destiny.
I believe there are several people in the Republican party that will be able to help Americans to help themselves. They have the passion and the heart to inspire people. Mitt Romney is not one of them.
There is nothing wrong with several leaders in the GOP resurrection movement.
We need to encourage the young guns.
Sarah Palin, Bobby Jindal, Paul Ryan, Eric Cantor, Mark Sanford are all examples of the future.
Each one of these guys need to find a way to inspire the people.
kcarpenter on November 30, 2008 at 11:19 AM
Poptech, spin? I repeated what you said, that you don’t read newspaper to shape your world view and asked how that would have appeared if she would have actually said something similar.
Thing is, as far as I know Romney supported the original bailout and was McCain’s economic advisor. Palin followed the camapaig lead on that. I don’t know that Palin supports the auto makers bailout. do you have proof that she does? I would be very surprised, since she had already said in interviews that she’s against any further bailouts.
Phoenician on November 30, 2008 at 11:22 AM
How sad is this. That was a later interview as if Palin reads the Economist – Please. And admitting you read The New York Times is not something to be proud of.
Sarah Palin Can’t Name a Newspaper She Reads (Video)
Poptech on November 30, 2008 at 11:24 AM
Again, you seemed obsessed by Mittens MBA and Law Degree. There are quite a few very successful people (i.e. Bill Gates) who don’t have bachelors, let only graduate degrees. Clearly, despite not having the right education, Palin has been incredibly successful in politics and has taken on and defeated powerful forces within an incredibly corrupt state. Mittens on the other hand is quite a horrible politician with no core beliefs who comes across as unlikeable and phony.
Illinidiva on November 30, 2008 at 11:27 AM
Alaska has huge reserves or energy, namely oil and natural gas with a low population to resource ratio. A blind monkey could make energy rich Alaska a success.
Poptech on November 30, 2008 at 11:27 AM
Poptech, your “economically illiterate” Governor found a free market solution to a 30-year deadlock on the Alaskan Natural Gas Pipeline. When the big oil companies were using their bought-and-paid-for state legislators to insist that the people of Alaska had to subsidize their pipeline, she said “Bullcrap” and put the project into the realm of the free market.
Then, for good measure, she had the corrupt legislators sent to jail.
Jim62sch on November 30, 2008 at 11:27 AM
Poptech, you know – nothing you say sounds funny to me. You have no facts, no logic. I don’t know much about Romney, and after all you’ve said, I don’t know anything I didn’t know. And you’re supposedly trying to explain why he’s a good candidate? It’s sad, really.
Almost everything you said about Palin is wrong. She has experience in running a business, for example. But what do little details like that really matter? You’ve decided she’s ‘economically illiterate’, whatever that means, and you don’t really care the facts show otherwise.
Phoenician on November 30, 2008 at 11:27 AM
I guess it depends on what part of the country Mitt is running in at the time.
conservnut on November 30, 2008 at 11:31 AM
I’ll give you an example from my own life. When I was in grade 6 I was asked the question on a history exam who the Prime Minister of Britain was during WWII? I said Clement Attlee. I knew it was Winston Churchill. My grandmother was a big fan of his. I told her of my wrong answer. She never let me forget about it till the day she died, although I got straight A’s in history throughout high school. In other words, my grandmother defined my ability to assimilate and understand history by one past inopportune event. Poptech, isn’t that what you’re doing. Man, you are not dumb; I don’t know it but I think you’re intellectually honest; Sarah did not confess to the world which newspapers she reads and from that one comment you decide she must be a moron who does not read papers (is ill-informed), cannot read papers (is illiterate), or does not have newspapers available to her (trailer trash hicksville). Sir you must be playing with us. Nobody without an agenda could really believe that the Governor of Alaska or any state is not aware of what goes on in the world, is illiterate or does not have available on the Internet various newspapers she can read at her leisure on a given day. Thus again you must be playing with us or you have an agenda. Which is it?
technopeasant on November 30, 2008 at 11:35 AM
Yeah and so did Bush, McCain, Fred and Rudy and major GOP leaders in the House.
No he doesn’t, he supported reducing government regulation such as CAFE standards ect…
Uh, your statement proves you to be economically illiterate. Anyone who mentions Greed is absolutely clueless on how the economy works or the cause of the current problem which is government.
Understanding the financial crisis (Video) (8min)
I said no such thing, on the contrary he is the most likely (next to Ron Paul) to do the only thing that can help = Cut Taxes and Reduce Government Spending.
Economic Depressions: Their Cause and Cure (Murray N. Rothbard, Ph.D. Professor Emeritus of Economics)
The ones who are clueless are those who think the government can fix the problem they created with more government.
Poptech on November 30, 2008 at 11:38 AM
If Palin’s practices are similar to those of other powerful people, I’m sure that she’s provided with a briefing book each morning containing news clippings from various sources that are of import to any decisions she might have to make. This is typical of high-level executives, from Governors to generals to CEOs.
The staff generally comes in a couple of hours prior to their principal to assemble this information. Palin doesn’t have the time to casually page through a paper, looking at movie reviews and human interest stories.
I’m pretty sure I remember a manufactured “scandal” from the campaign, dealing with a photo of Palin reviewing a briefing book at her Governor’s desk – apparently the book was open to a controversial article of some kind. So she seems to get her news like most high-powered decision-makers, assembled by her staff from a variety of sources.
Jim62sch on November 30, 2008 at 11:44 AM
You are spinning, she refused to answer what newspapers she reads period and said them all. LMAO! Please stop with the world view nonsense as if that makes it all right for to say “all of them”.
Romney was McCain’s economic advisor? Really? Moron McCain was listening to incompetent Carly Fiorina (because she was a woman)! LMAO!
Poptech on November 30, 2008 at 11:44 AM
Bill Gates is the big exception outside of Hollywood/Media types. Please stop with the spin.
Poptech on November 30, 2008 at 11:46 AM
No facts? (spits drink onto the keyboard) Please go back and reread my posts then and get educated on what I actually said. What is sad is the lies by Palin fanboys.
Really she has experience running what business? LMAO!
Please prove me wrong and let me know what successful business the economically illiterate (it means she does not understand economics) Sarah Palin ran?
Poptech on November 30, 2008 at 11:50 AM
Wasn’t your guy mitt illiterate asking Washington to help detroit ? Voting for the bailout?
Stop spinning.
the_nile on November 30, 2008 at 11:52 AM
Poptech = Sheboy
Good to see you talking to yourself again.
gracie on November 30, 2008 at 11:55 AM
She must be a threat … look at all the time and effort Romney dude is putting in here
joey24007 on November 30, 2008 at 11:55 AM
technopeasant on November 30, 2008 at 11:35 AM
Honestly I think she reads the New York Times or some other liberally biased newspaper and could not think of a conservative one because she was not aware non-liberally biased ones existed (The Wall Street Journal, The Washington Times or The New York Post). That PROVES she never read The Wall Street Journal and thus knows jack about economics. Absolutely anyone who studied or is interested in economics knows, that at least The Wall Street Journal has a conservative Op-Ed section and the rest is fairly libertarian-centrist. Anyone qualified to be POTUS could answer that question. Her follow up interview then goes on to mention the NYT, the WSJ and the Economist? Come on there is no way she reads the economist, please. More like the NYT, USA Today and a major Alaska publication.
Poptech on November 30, 2008 at 11:58 AM
Removing regulation supports the free market and would help detroit.
Poptech on November 30, 2008 at 11:59 AM
Look if presenting to the people of Alaska balanced budgets with the added flavor of surpluses and a $1200/person rebate means that someone is ‘economically illiterate’ then what does that make Arnold of California: economically retarded? What does that make Washington? economically insane! Give me illiterate over insane any day of the week.
technopeasant on November 30, 2008 at 11:59 AM
Breaking News:
We are now on day two of Romney Dude’s assault on Sarah Palin … we will bring more as it arrives to us
once again, man claiming that Sarah Palin is a horrible candidate is still trying to make the case that she is a horrible candidate
Day 2 of Romney Dude continues
joey24007 on November 30, 2008 at 12:00 PM
More polls??!!! Good God, I thought we were done with all the polls now that the election was over.
4shoes on November 30, 2008 at 12:01 PM
And you know this how?
You’ve yet to explain how an “economically illiterate” Governor managed to find a free-market solution to a 30-year-old deadlock on the Alaska Gas Pipeline.
Jim62sch on November 30, 2008 at 12:01 PM
Joey you are on to something
Jamson64 on November 30, 2008 at 12:01 PM
More like I have a small problem with people lying about what I said. I repeat – I am open to other candidates if you can prove they are more qualified than Romney.
Poptech on November 30, 2008 at 12:01 PM
True , but was that really what he was talking about.
It’s not CAFE that killed the sale of SUV.
the_nile on November 30, 2008 at 12:01 PM
why doesn’t Romney just purchase a controlling interest in GM and turn the company around?
joey24007 on November 30, 2008 at 12:02 PM
Palin will not have the huge energy reserves of Alaska and their taxes to make herself look good in DC. Arnold is an idiot and Washington is a joke.
Poptech on November 30, 2008 at 12:02 PM
Fiscal Conservatives for Romney – Care!
joey24007 on November 30, 2008 at 12:03 PM
I made the case she was unqualified in one of most first posts:
Sarah Palin
Age: 44
Religion:
- Pentecostal
Education:
- Attended, Hawaii Pacific University, 1982
- Attended, North Idaho College, 1983-1984
- Attended, University of Idaho, 1984-1985
- Attended, Matanuska-Susitna College, 1985
- B.S. Journalism, University of Idaho, 1987
Political Experience:
- Former Council Member, Wasilla City Council, Alaska, 1992-1996
- Former Mayor, Wasilla City, Alaska, 1996-2002 (pop: 7,028) (Votes: 909)
- Failed Candidate, Lieutenant Governor, Alaska, 2002
- Resigned, Alaska Oil and Gas Conservation Commission, 2003-2004
- Governor, Alaska, 2006-present (1+1/2 years) (pop: 670,053)
Professional Experience:
- First Place, Miss Wasilla Beauty Contest, 1984
- Second Place, Miss Alaska Pageant, 1984
- Television Sports Reporter, 1987-1989
- Director, Ted Stevens Excellence in Public Service, Inc., 2003-2007
Poptech on November 30, 2008 at 12:05 PM
And the bankers at Wall street, but they got even smarter and got new money from the taxpayers.
You got to admire those literate guys.
the_nile on November 30, 2008 at 12:07 PM
Yeah they got the money with the help of frickin BUSH!
Poptech on November 30, 2008 at 12:09 PM
I’m still trying to figure out how a woman who managed to bring down most of the corruption in her own party, expose corruption on the oil and gas conservation board, run against the incumbent gov. of her own party and the former ex-governor AND WIN, end the sweetheart crony capitalism that was the energy industry in Alaska, start moving forward on a pipeline that was stalled for 35 years, prevent the st. legislature from going on a spending spree in order to save money because she was “economically literate” enough to know that the price of oil would go down again, cut millions from the st. budget while preserving surpluses all while raising a family
get picked for VP candidate, run around the country getting trashed by the media
lose that election because of things out of her control
go back home to Alaska with an approval rating of 91% among the GOP
and have massive support among conservatives
and still getting hatred from the RINOS and libs
and the best part of all … it takes a story about Palin in order for us to remember who Mitt Romney is!
joey24007 on November 30, 2008 at 12:10 PM
Actually she does , i think the petrolium reserves of alaska would be one important source of hard currency when Americas debt has to be repaid.
the_nile on November 30, 2008 at 12:11 PM
I don’t see unqualified in that resume
especially considering the dude just elected President
-community organizer
-st senate
-first term US senator
-POTUS
joey24007 on November 30, 2008 at 12:12 PM
Didn’t Romney vote for the bailout to..
the_nile on November 30, 2008 at 12:13 PM
I’m still trying to figure out how this supposedly squeakly clean “Maverick” was Director of Ted Stevens Excellence in Public Service, Inc., 2003-2007 and supported the ‘bridge to nowhere‘.
Poptech on November 30, 2008 at 12:15 PM
Heh. Very true. Not to mention the gold mine. When this service sector, consumer based economy collapses, all that’s gonna be left is manufacturing and natural resources.
lodge on November 30, 2008 at 12:15 PM
LMAO! She is not going to have them to balance the Federal Budget or get any of the other states out of a recession.
Poptech on November 30, 2008 at 12:16 PM
Senator McCain actually had dinner with Stevens in the Senate lunchroom!
lodge on November 30, 2008 at 12:16 PM
the assault continues …
here is a REAL fiscal conservative on the bridge to nowhere
I am sure you read this because you told us that you read the Journal … its ok if you missed it though … here it is
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122100927525717663.html?mod=rss_opinion_main
joey24007 on November 30, 2008 at 12:17 PM
Yawn, back to the strawman argument. Comparing the unqualified Obama to the unqualified Palin is seeing who can reach bottom the quickest.
Poptech on November 30, 2008 at 12:17 PM
how is Romney-care working out for the Mass. budget?
joey24007 on November 30, 2008 at 12:17 PM
Again I am not going to knock Romney. He has many fine qualities too numerous to list. He’s not my cup of tea (in terms of inspiring me to vote for him) but I’m not going to slander or diminish him in any way. In football terms he is going to the playoffs in 2012 if he wants to-he is definitely in the mix in the 2011-2012 primaries. But so is Sarah Palin. To deny that is sheer lunacy. To refer to any governor as ‘economically illiterate’ who has balanced budgets and yielded surpluses and put it down to ‘a blind monkey’ is simply a non sequitur. Sure Sarah Palin is not a Milton Friedman or a John Kenneth Galbraith, but neither is Barack Obama. What does a person do whether it be SP or BO to perform better in the economic arena-surround yourself with economic experts-and that is exactly what both are doing. Focus on the results rather than perceived credentials.
technopeasant on November 30, 2008 at 12:17 PM
actually that was just part of my response
show me where any of those thing in YOUR VERSION of Palin’s resume makes her UNQUALIFIED to be chief executive of a government
now make sure you remember this … she is currently a chief executive of a government
joey24007 on November 30, 2008 at 12:18 PM
I thought you don’t support flip-floppers?
Poptech on November 30, 2008 at 12:20 PM
If you believe in ron paul , you know that USA is in a mess and needs any energy source it can find.
Maybe she wont have them directly , but indirectly you will need them to save/salvage the economy.
the_nile on November 30, 2008 at 12:23 PM
No that is here REAL Resume without all the spin. Lets see she has irrelevant education (Journalism), she has no successful private sector experience, limited executive experience compared to Romney, Rudy, or even Huckabee let alone Bush W., or Reagan.
Poptech on November 30, 2008 at 12:24 PM
the_nile on November 30, 2008 at 12:23 PM
I said I would vote for Ron Paul if he was the nominee, I was not a supporter. But that is irrelevant as utilizing Alaska’s energy resources is a good idea but Canada is much more important”
- 173 to 315 Billion (1.7-2.5 Trillion potential) barrels of oil are estimated in the Oil Sands of Alberta, Canada (Alberta Department of Energy)
Poptech on November 30, 2008 at 12:27 PM
who killed the bridge ?
Once again, from your paper of choice, for the economically literate and written by a real fiscal conservative
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122100927525717663.html?mod=rss_opinion_main
joey24007 on November 30, 2008 at 12:28 PM
So … the only reason we are talking about Romney is because of Palin
where would Romney be without her?
joey24007 on November 30, 2008 at 12:30 PM
The Excellence in Public Service PAC was (is?) an organization dedicated to recruiting Republican women candidates for public office in Alaska. Not sure how you think this ties Palin to some kind of corruption – is the manager of the Ted Stevens International Airport corrupt just because of the name of the airport?
You do realize that she endorsed Stevens’ primary opponent, right?
Jim62sch on November 30, 2008 at 12:32 PM
the_nile on November 30, 2008 at 12:32 PM
ding ding ding … we have a winner
of course he doesn’t know that Palin supported Stevens’ opponent … David Axelrod didn’t remind him before he start posting in this thread
joey24007 on November 30, 2008 at 12:33 PM
Palin is not a viable national candidate. She might get some people excited but they are ‘the base’.
The base is a tiny minority of the country.
She is a losing proposition.
Ares on November 30, 2008 at 12:34 PM
PalinReagan is not a viable national candidate. He might get some people excited but they are ‘the base’.The base is a tiny minority of the country.
He is a losing proposition.
joey24007 on November 30, 2008 at 12:35 PM
Yes and the Demos hate her BECAUSE they fear her. They fear her because she represents everything that they are not and refuse to be.
Christine on November 30, 2008 at 12:37 PM
but here is the trillion dollar question for Poptech
If the resumes you posted comparing Romney and Palin “speak for themselves”
why are you on day 2 of assaulting Palin?
seems strange
joey24007 on November 30, 2008 at 12:37 PM
Maybe Palin should read it, she was probably unaware a paper existed defending her. But that does not change the Flip-Flop:
Palin touts stance on ‘Bridge to Nowhere,’ doesn’t note flip-flop (Anchorage Daily News)
Palin “bridge to nowhere” line angers many Alaskans (Reuters)
Poptech on November 30, 2008 at 12:37 PM
so you missed the article then?
joey24007 on November 30, 2008 at 12:39 PM
Sarah and Todd ran a commercial fishing operation. It may not be Silicon Valley cool or Wall Street chic but it is private sector experience. To what degree they were successful I don’t know but nowhere did I read that they went bankrupt or went cap in hand to the government to bail them out of financial disaster. As to executive experience I’m more concerned what you accomplish in office rather than the time spent there. Lincoln only really served one full term in office (in 1865 transition day was March 4th-assassinated April 14/65) which is regarded today by most historians as probably the greatest performance in one term by any President in US history. SP still has about 2 more years to go to finish her term as governor-so far she has made a great start. If you are totally objective you must acknowledge this. If you have an agenda to discredit SP, then any distortion is possible. But the question throughout the whole exercise that must be asked is: “Would anybody spend as much time trashing any one person if that one person was not perceived as a major threat to somebody or some idea?”
technopeasant on November 30, 2008 at 12:40 PM
Maybe she’s not illiterate about economy , and didn’t want to waste the money ? Huh.
the_nile on November 30, 2008 at 12:40 PM
Eeks, I hate to intrude!
I like Palin. That doesn’t make me hate anyone else.
I know what Romney did for the SL Olympics – he walked in to a horrible mess, took no money, worked for several years and left the city and state with no debt.
If he was the Pres, he would bring in the best minds of the business world and I’m sure they would serve with him with little money coming from the government.
And yes, poptech is right, when he talked about the car industry he was talking about the government getting out of its way and removing some of the horrible standards.
He had a bad, bad demo mass congress to work with.
Whether you like his looks, or his religion, he would’ve been a masterful President.
I like Sarah because she brings excitement to the ticket. Not sure she is ready to be President, but I think she would’ve been a great VP. They would’ve made an awesome team. She would’ve had a great teacher and maybe in 8 years she could be a hard candidate to beat.
Bambi on November 30, 2008 at 12:41 PM
(not answering the obvious) but the oil sands are economical to extract at $15 a barrel. And there is much, much more oil in Canada than Alaska.
Facts:
- Only 16% of U.S. oil imports come from the Middle East (EIA)
- The largest supplier of oil to the U.S. is Canada (EIA)
Myth: The World is Running Out of Oil (Video) (5min) (John Stossel, 20/20)
Poptech on November 30, 2008 at 12:41 PM
(not answering the obvious) but the oil sands are economical to extract at $15 a barrel. And there is much, much more oil in Canada than Alaska.
Facts:
- Only 16% of U.S. oil imports come from the Middle East (EIA)
- The largest supplier of oil to the U.S. is Canada (EIA)
Poptech on November 30, 2008 at 12:42 PM
Myth: The World is Running Out of Oil (Video) (5min) (John Stossel, 20/20)
Poptech on November 30, 2008 at 12:42 PM
Are you dense? From the WSJ article:
“Yes, she once supported the project”
I see you support flip-floppers.
Poptech on November 30, 2008 at 12:45 PM
And Canada will just give the oil to USA?
USA is in DEBT.
the_nile on November 30, 2008 at 12:45 PM
Well , they’re all flip floppers on some issue. You have to look for the “less flip-flopper”.
But you know , in the end she SAVED the money , illiterate as she is.
the_nile on November 30, 2008 at 12:47 PM
The business was in her name? You need to do your homework better:
‘Toad’s Fisheries sells salmon caught in Bristol Bay to a commercial buyer in Seattle. Last year, the business made $15,513 in profits, with a gross income of $49,893 offset by $32,979 in expenses, the couple’s joint tax return shows. The previous year was even leaner, raising $7,690 after expenses. Both returns name Todd Palin as proprietor and the couple’s Wasilla home as a main office.
On her public financial disclosure form, Palin describes the business as a sole proprietorship owned by her husband, listing the type and amount of proceeds simply as “Fishing Income.”
She has no private sector experience.
Poptech on November 30, 2008 at 12:49 PM
Don’t you have anything better to do than put up 500 comments on a woman you think is an idiot? What does that say about your intelligence? Sounds to me that you (like liberals) find this “idiot” Palin to be quite the threat if she requires so much energetic stomping.
ddrintn on November 30, 2008 at 12:52 PM
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