Zogby on 2012: Palin leads among Republicans, Romney leads among all voters

posted at 4:30 pm on November 28, 2008 by Allahpundit

Check that: Romney barely leads among all voters, within the margin of error. But here’s evidence, in case more was needed, of how sharply conservatives’ view of the ‘Cuda diverges from America’s. Among Republicans, it’s Palin 24.4, Mitt 18.1, Jindal 15.6; among everyone, Mitt 13.7, Palin 13.4, Jindal 12.5.

What happened to Huck, who was in the thick of things when Gallup recently asked a similar question? Palin happened to Huck:

Among Republicans, she gets the support of 30% of Born-Again Christians, 32% of weekly churchgoers, 34% of National Rifle Association members, 28% of current gun owners and 29% of self-identified conservatives. More GOP support comes from 32% of blue collar workers, 30% who shop weekly at Wal-Mart, 28% of NASCAR fans and 25% of both those with children under 17 and those with family members in the military…

Palin looks to be stealing Huckabee’s thunder among Republican religious conservatives and working class voters. Huckabee is an ordained Southern Baptist minister, and his highest GOP totals still come from Born-Again Christians (15%) and weekly churchgoers (18%), but those numbers are about half of those drawn by Palin. Despite his populist economic message, he wins only 10% of blue collar Republicans.

There’s your explanation for why he’s been taking shots at her lately, in case it wasn’t already clear. Interesting to see Jindal’s numbers so high, though, given how comparatively low his profile is and how poorly he fared in the Gallup poll. As another young rock-star “future of the party” governor, I wonder if he isn’t peeling votes away from Palin among people who’ve soured on her for whatever reason. Exit invitation: Go ahead and tell me that the only reason she polls so much lower among all voters is because Democrats fear her. You know you want to.

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Come on…Palin is the reason we lost

/Sarc off

Jamson64 on November 28, 2008 at 4:34 PM

Palin add more than just the religious angle….

She’s a conservative, a fiscal conservative.

Huckabee found his grove playing bass on Fox News.

Kini on November 28, 2008 at 4:34 PM

Romney/Palin ’12? That’s what I was hoping for in ’08. (Or Patreaus/Jindal)

Tony737 on November 28, 2008 at 4:36 PM

Democrats fear Palin. Sarah Palin / Bobby Jundal 2012

Onager on November 28, 2008 at 4:37 PM

Palins gets 28% of current gun owners.

I would’ve thought that’d be higher.

Tony737 on November 28, 2008 at 4:37 PM

going back to the well eh?

j/k

Huckabee is a doofus who throws fellow Republicans under the bus to get attention

the others on here who polled high have real support

joey24007 on November 28, 2008 at 4:39 PM

Palins gets 28% of current gun owners.
I would’ve thought that’d be higher.

Tony737 on November 28, 2008 at 4:37 PM

Even liberals bought guns once they knew it was likely that Obama was going to win.

Jamson64 on November 28, 2008 at 4:41 PM

I hate polls.
I don’t put any stock in what polls say.

But I know what I like.

Kini on November 28, 2008 at 4:41 PM

Tony737 on November 28, 2008 at 4:37 PM

A lot of things we thought to be the case was apparently proven wrong this year. I never figured Americans would look at Obama and Palin, then decide that Obama was qualified to be President but Palin was unqualified to be VP.

amerpundit on November 28, 2008 at 4:41 PM

The poll is skewed, and inaccurate cause it doesn’t guage libertarian support for Sarah Palin.

Add libertarians in there, to massive conservative support, and she’s a runaway favorite.

Secret for success for America’s Right: Not an alliance of Moderate and libertarian Conservative, as we had with McCain/Palin, but rather libertarian Conservative and Conservative.

As in Palin/Jindal or Palin/Coburn or Palin/Thune.

ericdondero on November 28, 2008 at 4:42 PM

I can’t wait for her campaign where she isn’t dragged down and held back by some doofus.

cjs1943 on November 28, 2008 at 4:42 PM

Palin happened to Huck

Yay.

Spirit of 1776 on November 28, 2008 at 4:42 PM

It’s pretty fresh from the 2008 smear job for her to be polling so well for 2012. Guess that the smear isn’t sticking as well as hoped.

cthulhu on November 28, 2008 at 4:43 PM

I hope everyone can get Romney out of their system before 2012. We already tried having a fake conservative this year and it didn’t work out too well. I hope the GOP doesn’t make that same mistake again.

keepinitreal on November 28, 2008 at 4:44 PM

Somebody needs an intervention!

Blake on November 28, 2008 at 4:44 PM

Palin is my favorite out of those but I also think Jindal is great. I would like to see both of them hold off until 2016, or maybe even a bit later for Jindal. Only because I don’t want to see our two best prospects lose to Obama, which may likely happen in 2012.

V15J on November 28, 2008 at 4:45 PM

Romney.

WisCon on November 28, 2008 at 4:46 PM

Don’t forget about Mark Sanford.

lodge on November 28, 2008 at 4:47 PM

I’M WITH PALIN/ROMNEY OR ROMNEY/PALIN!!

madmonkphotog on November 28, 2008 at 4:47 PM

As long as it’s not McCain or Grahamesty or Huckaboom. I’m all in.

Palin/Romney ’12!

HornetSting on November 28, 2008 at 4:51 PM

Okay, Pagan, I’ll say it ( because it’s true:

DEMOCRATS ARE SKEERED OF PALIN

the enemy of my enemy is my friend–especially if I already admire and respect her. The idiots who tell us to act more like liberals, a la Kondracke, should be ignored and pitied

A conservative leader should relentlessly articulate a conservative message to attract millions of Potential Conservative / Republican voters’ otherwise, it’s 2008 redux

any questions? ( to Mort: GFY )

Janos Hunyadi on November 28, 2008 at 4:52 PM

Thanks, Janos. You reminded me of something.

First order of business:

Put a gag on Rove, Kristol, Kondracke, and all other Rinos. Don’t let them mold the New Republican Party.

HornetSting on November 28, 2008 at 4:54 PM

HornetSting on November 28, 2008 at 4:51 PM

Here, here!!

madmonkphotog on November 28, 2008 at 4:54 PM

Pffffft… you call that support?

If they’d polled Democrats she’d have over 75% support to run in 20121

benny shakar on November 28, 2008 at 4:56 PM

Ms. Sarah may not run, but with good advice, she can win the Nomination.
Randy

williars on November 28, 2008 at 4:56 PM

A lot of things we thought to be the case was apparently proven wrong this year. I never figured Americans would look at Obama and Palin, then decide that Obama was qualified to be President but Palin was unqualified to be VP.

amerpundit on November 28, 2008 at 4:41 PM

But hey, the economy is great..

the_nile on November 28, 2008 at 4:56 PM

ericdondero on November 28, 2008 at 4:42 PM

I like Palin/Thune or Palin/Ridge ***FTW.

chunderroad on November 28, 2008 at 4:57 PM

Tony737 on November 28, 2008 at 4:36 PM

I could live with that. Palin’s a decent operator but still doesn’t really have an expertise per se. She’s operated on state level energy investment negotiations…but thats small beans when you look at the scale of some of the larger national issues and what it’s going to take to fix them. Romney’s used to working on a larger scale and has been very successful to those ends whether in the public or private sector. If he can truly bring in fresh analysis that provides true answers and not a big ideological talk down…then he’s a much better choice than Palin herself to run in 2012.

ernesto on November 28, 2008 at 4:59 PM

benny shakar on November 28, 2008 at 4:56 PM

Thank you, bunny shaker, but the Dems will not be choosing our candidate this time around. Spend more time defending the idiot you put in office this year, and even his VP said it’s going to get really bad.

chunderroad on November 28, 2008 at 4:59 PM

Polls don’t mean much right now- we don’t even know who’s going to run in 2012. The top picks are going to reflect who’s fresh in people’s memories. Who knows who the Next Big Thing will be two years from now?

Hollowpoint on November 28, 2008 at 5:00 PM

I think Palin threatens someones Beta male status

Kini on November 28, 2008 at 5:00 PM

So much for the polls stopping after the election, which in turn means so much for Allah not being moronic.

MobileVideoEngineer on November 28, 2008 at 5:00 PM

Anyone remember in the primaries, I forget the state, when Huckabee told his delegates to support McCain because Ronmey was about to win and that would have changed everything………….

………… then all of a sudden, all the Democrats and the MSM fell in love with McCain and every question besides his religion to Romney was, “When are you going to get out of the race?” until he finally did?

Then Sarah Palin was picked as VP nominee, and the Democrats and MSM came out of their skin, and the attacks started 24/7, and the comedy sketches, and the topic on the “View”, and on and on……….then the attacks by McCain staffers after the loss?

My point here is to forget the polls, forget the MSM, forget any “moderate”, forget them all!

We will win again when we choose a Conservative, like Sarah Palin, and not let anyone, anyone pick our candidate for us again!

Seven Percent Solution on November 28, 2008 at 5:01 PM

benny shakar on November 28, 2008 at 4:56 PM
Thank you, bunny shaker, but the Dems will not be choosing our candidate this time around. Spend more time defending the idiot you put in office this year, and even his VP said it’s going to get really bad.

chunderroad on November 28, 2008 at 4:59 PM

You ask too much of the troll. I don’t even think “Bahgdad Bob” could defend Obama.

HornetSting on November 28, 2008 at 5:01 PM

ernesto on November 28, 2008 at 4:59 PM

All candidates who lost to McCain in the primaries Should be withdrawn from consideration. Romney should help the party rebuild and freshen up his resume. By 2012, the SLC Olympics and Governor of Taxachusetts will have been weak credentials.

chunderroad on November 28, 2008 at 5:02 PM

This poll is interesting right now, but won’t mean much in a few months. Sarah Palin is an unusual situation. Has this sort of post-election hysteria ever taken place before in the GOP? Not that I can remember.

I really like this lady. She has been and continues to be unfairly treated by many on both sides. She is popular enough that she will have a real shot in the future, just like many others. I hope she does well, but if she doesn’t I’m willing to jump on another bandwagon, sad as it will be.

The possibility exists she could narrowly lose the primary, like Hillary, and get the VP nod again. Who knows, it’s a long way off. We need to get 2010 plans in order for Congress, and she needs to figure out if re-election as Governor is the way to go for her in 2010.

This will be fascinating to watch unfold, that’s for sure.

I know one thing, Huckabee has always rubbed me wrong. I like the guy generally, but he seems to have a viscious kneecapping strategy against other Republicans, then tries to cover for himself with that “jokey jokey” personality. Smells slimy to me. I don’t really trust him deep down.

Brian1972 on November 28, 2008 at 5:02 PM

We will win again when we choose a Conservative, like Sarah Palin, and not let anyone, anyone pick our candidate for us again!

Seven Percent Solution on November 28, 2008 at 5:01 PM

+100%

Kini on November 28, 2008 at 5:03 PM

Did anybody catch this re: the Rush Limbaugh interview with Barbara Walters to be aired later? BW asked Rush if he liked Palin? He answered: “I absolutely do. I think she was great. Why don’t you like her?” (Barbara):”She was UNINFORMED.” Then Rush tells a caller ‘a light went off in my head because there is the template. The one interview she did with Katie Couric and they’ve all decided she’s an idiot and she’s uninformed.They do not know there were people in the McCain campaign trying to sabotage her and that SHE WAS UNDER TIGHT CONTROLS, and she finally wanted to bust out and be who she is.’ For you folks out there out who love Sarah Palin (I am one of them) here’s what you need to bear in mind over the next 4 years: if someone as intelligent, conversant and widely-known as Barbara Walters can display such a misinformed opinion towards Sarah, what do true idiots and semi-illiterates, the devotees to Jay Leno and David Letterman and SNL and people under 40 who text-message and are devoted internet users really think of Sarah? Ladies and gentlement this false notion of incompetence or lack of curiosity or intelligence must be dispelled totally if Sarah is to have a chance to lead this nation; don’t underestimate its insidious impact or dismiss it with haughty disdain for a second.

technopeasant on November 28, 2008 at 5:04 PM

Q: what do you call all RINOs being ignored, ridiculed, and derided, and never-ever being listened to or taken seriously again?

A: a good start

( as the Viking warrior says to the Spaniard-pretending-to-be-an-Arab who’s killed his first trog invader ) in THE THIRTEENTH WARRIOR movie: “Don’t worry, little brother: There are MORE !!! )

Janos Hunyadi on November 28, 2008 at 5:04 PM

chunderroad on November 28, 2008 at 5:02 PM

That still doesn’t address Palin’s weakness vis a vis romney…shes still only been an operator on very specific, sort’ve microcosm issues. State budgets and some energy investement negotiations. Those aren’t national, major league credentials. At least not right now. If she can reach out past her limited responsibilities as governor of alaska into something bigger…maybe a nationwide republican governors iniative on energy or something…get AHNUULD in on it and show shes ready for the major leagues. Until then there are others, like Romney and Jindal, who already have expertise and major league credentials.

ernesto on November 28, 2008 at 5:06 PM

Pffffft… you call that support?

If they’d polled Democrats she’d have over 75% support to run in 20121

benny shakar on November 28, 2008 at 4:56 PM

They did poll Democrats. Note that it includes “all voters”. That her support among all voters was significantly lower than among Republican voters, the exact opposite of what you suggest appears to be true.

Read, then comment.

Hollowpoint on November 28, 2008 at 5:07 PM

Four years is an eternity in politics.

Sarah Palin would be well advised to pay attention to things Alaskan. She is up for election in 2010. Right now the MSM plan is to kill her with overexposure. It’s working. Dems and independents are very tired of her. She needs the independents.

First things first.

patrick neid on November 28, 2008 at 5:08 PM

Allapundit wrote:

Exit invitation: Go ahead and tell me that the only reason she polls so much lower among all voters is because Democrats fear her. You know you want to.

Sorry Allah, but your attempt at downplaying Palin’s appeal is pretty pathetic. “So much lower”? It appears to me that Palin is within the margin of error of being the one Republican candidate most voters want. And among Republican voters, it’s no contest: They want Palin.

This despite a media hell-bent on taking her down. How many negative stories have been peddled against Palin in the past two months? Too many to count.

And how many negative stories against Romney or Jindal? None. Despite this huge disadvantage in media coverage, Palin is still in the lead among both Republicans (by a clear margin) and within the margin of error among all voters.

This speaks volumes of Sarah’s resiliance and appeal if you ask me. And yes, the MSM are scared of her, as they should be.

Norwegian on November 28, 2008 at 5:09 PM

We will win again when we choose a Conservative, like Sarah Palin, and not let anyone, anyone pick our candidate for us again!

Seven Percent Solution on November 28, 2008 at 5:01 PM
+100%

Kini on November 28, 2008 at 5:03 PM

Absolutely. We need to change the voting schedule so that ALL AMERICANS can be a part of the primary process. I voted on June 6th. My choices: McCain or Ron Paul. I voted Ron Paul to give the FU to McCain, but I voted for Palin on election day.

HornetSting on November 28, 2008 at 5:10 PM

ernesto on November 28, 2008 at 5:06 PM

She energized the base, my pet. The Rino did not.

HornetSting on November 28, 2008 at 5:11 PM

I am just annoyed with the polls, the liberal whining trolls and the whole item.

Got other things to worry about right now then 2012.

upinak on November 28, 2008 at 5:11 PM

Palin is the only reason McCains numbers spiked up!
Only thing is, this poll is for likely voters. Did they interview 14,15,16 and 17 year olds? They’ll be able to vote in 2012. Who’s to say someone else won’t surface by then?

johnnyU on November 28, 2008 at 5:11 PM

I guess polling prognostication is an addiction.

BL@KBIRD on November 28, 2008 at 5:12 PM

We don’t need a four year presidential election cycle. Anyone bringing up 2012 prior to January 2011 should be taken behind the woodshed.

I R A Darth Aggie on November 28, 2008 at 5:13 PM

Sorry Allah, but your attempt at downplaying Palin’s appeal is pretty pathetic. “So much lower”? It appears to me that Palin is within the margin of error of being the one Republican candidate most voters want. And among Republican voters, it’s no contest: They want Palin.

Norwegian on November 28, 2008 at 5:09 PM

The results show an 11 point deficit between all voters and Republican voters- 13.4% vs 24.4%. How is that not a big difference?

Hollowpoint on November 28, 2008 at 5:13 PM

Ameripundit: I don’t really believe it’s that simple. Americans decided Obama was qualified to be President because he wasn’t George Bush, because of the bad economy, and because of the ‘white guilt’ and the hatred of conservatism motivating the MSM to spew forth daily propaganda attacking and ridiculing Sarah’s credentials while doing virtually nothing to question Obama’s. Even the noted historian Doris Kearns Goodwin said that Obama was qualified to be President because of the ‘thousands of speeches he had given in the primary process, and thus he was OK’ while Sarah was a stranger to the scene and was not well known: thus we have a new yardstick to measure competency to be President-how many speeches a candidates gives. Welcome to the 21st century.

technopeasant on November 28, 2008 at 5:14 PM

HornetSting on November 28, 2008 at 5:11 PM

And that’s only 1/2 the battle. Convincing those OUTSIDE your base that she’s not menacing is the other 1/2. It stands to reason that the one who is everything to everyone on the far right would not be automatically appealing to those outside of that far right “base”. Energizing your base is not all it takes to with the presidency…

ernesto on November 28, 2008 at 5:15 PM

We will win again when we choose a Conservative, like Sarah Palin, and not let anyone, anyone pick our candidate for us again!Seven

I hereby nominate this for ‘Best Comment of the Day!’

Tony737 on November 28, 2008 at 5:15 PM

Admit it AP, YOU fear her!

conservnut on November 28, 2008 at 5:16 PM

Palin is my favorite out of those but I also think Jindal is great. I would like to see both of them hold off until 2016, or maybe even a bit later for Jindal. Only because I don’t want to see our two best prospects lose to Obama, which may likely happen in 2012.

V15J on November 28, 2008 at 4:45 PM

Great point!

KBird on November 28, 2008 at 5:16 PM

ernesto on November 28, 2008 at 5:15 PM

For weeks I have wondered: Why are you here? I’m just curious.

Achilles on November 28, 2008 at 5:16 PM

HornetSting on November 28, 2008 at 5:11 PM
And that’s only 1/2 the battle. Convincing those OUTSIDE your base that she’s not menacing is the other 1/2. It stands to reason that the one who is everything to everyone on the far right would not be automatically appealing to those outside of that far right “base”. Energizing your base is not all it takes to with the presidency…

ernesto on November 28, 2008 at 5:15 PM

Yeah, it worked SO WELL for McCain. He tried to energize everyone BUT the base. Many of the “base” stayed home or voted for third party candidates.
You stick to your ideals and values. You don’t waffle and you don’t try to bring everyone into the tent. You stand for something.
Don’t get me started on what I believe you are getting at…..identity politics. That’s for the democrats.

HornetSting on November 28, 2008 at 5:18 PM

We don’t need a four year presidential election cycle. Anyone bringing up 2012 prior to January 2011 should be taken behind the woodshed.

I R A Darth Aggie on November 28, 2008 at 5:13 PM

I agree, but prepare to be disappointed- the primary campaigns for the ’08 election started in January 2006.

Enjoy the next 13 months before the presidential election cycle officially begins.

Hollowpoint on November 28, 2008 at 5:20 PM

Thank you, bunny shaker, but the Dems will not be choosing our candidate this time around. Spend more time defending the idiot you put in office this year, and even his VP said it’s going to get really bad.

chunderroad on November 28, 2008 at 4:59 PM

I am not so sure of this. The RINO’s control the GOP and there is no guarantee they will give that up. McCain was willing, all too willing, to lose honourably rather than win.

Why do we care what Democrats think? They aren’t voting Republican anyway, so who gives a rats patootie what who they would vote for.

Moderates. Oh, yes, the moderates. They are the ones who were so in love with John McCain. How did that work out? Does anyone recall how that worked out?

sharrukin on November 28, 2008 at 5:20 PM

And that’s only 1/2 the battle. Convincing those OUTSIDE your base that she’s not menacing is the other 1/2. It stands to reason that the one who is everything to everyone on the far right would not be automatically appealing to those outside of that far right “base”. Energizing your base is not all it takes to with the presidency…

ernesto on November 28, 2008 at 5:15 PM

GWB won twice energizing the base. McCain lost trying to appeal to those outside of “that far right” base.

Thanks for the advice, but I’d prefer a winning strategy, not a losing one.

Hollowpoint on November 28, 2008 at 5:23 PM

sharrukin on November 28, 2008 at 5:20 PM

I personally think that whoever is strong enough to win the Republican primary will be the best nominee. If Palin can survive a primary against Romney, Huckabee, Jindal, and others, then she deserves to lead the Republican Party. If not, whoever does survive, should lead the Republicans. 2012 is still a long way off. At this point, we can only make speculations; opinions are bound to change over the next four years.

Achilles on November 28, 2008 at 5:25 PM

Moderates. Oh, yes, the moderates. They are the ones who were so in love with John McCain. How did that work out? Does anyone recall how that worked out?

Are you talking about the moderates that voted for the ultra-conservative Reagan? Or the moderates that voted for the wishy washy independents like McCain?

lodge on November 28, 2008 at 5:26 PM

Sarah Palin / Tom Ridge would be a strong ticket.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_Ridge

He’s a Harvard alumnus. Roman Catholic. First Director of Homeland Security. Decorated Vietnam veteran. Popular former Governor of PA. Former DA. Seven-term Congressman. In the private sector, he served on the boards of Hershey, Deloitte and Touche (adviser), Home Depot and Savi Technology. He has impeccable credentials as a fiscal conservative, and he would be a strong national security pick.

chunderroad on November 28, 2008 at 5:26 PM

I personally think that whoever is strong enough to win the Republican primary will be the best nominee. If Palin can survive a primary against Romney, Huckabee, Jindal, and others, then she deserves to lead the Republican Party. If not, whoever does survive, should lead the Republicans. 2012 is still a long way off. At this point, we can only make speculations; opinions are bound to change over the next four years.

Achilles on November 28, 2008 at 5:25 PM

and to make sure that we get the best Republican, we need to make sure that only Republicans vote in our primaries!

joey24007 on November 28, 2008 at 5:27 PM

ernesto on November 28, 2008 at 5:15 PM

Sarah Palin is “MENACING” ??

How much of a little fairy are you? ( I could ask the same of millions of leftoid dimwits )

She has five children, dipsh+t: She doesn’t take life, she CREATES & NURTURES it. Anyone ‘menaced’ by her needs a lotta help, or is already beyond help

Janos Hunyadi on November 28, 2008 at 5:27 PM

This time there is a definite movement by backers of Sarah to commit to her this early. Evidence of this is the launch her own internet radio show on Monday and many web sites devoted to her getting the GOP nomination in 2012. Many Conservatives will NOT make the same mistake they made in the last election cycle by sitting out until after the mid-term election and neglecting to have a clear view on who they wanted to support. For many conservatives the race to the WH in 2012 started on November 5, 2008. Don’t you agree?

technopeasant on November 28, 2008 at 5:28 PM

Are you talking about the moderates that voted for the ultra-conservative Reagan? Or the moderates that voted for the wishy washy independents like McCain?

lodge on November 28, 2008 at 5:26 PM

Barack Obama won the moderates so I fail to see why the GOP should pander to them. The GOP tends to win moderates when they have an actual conservative running.

Polls that say Democrats and moderates support one candidate or another are meaningless.

sharrukin on November 28, 2008 at 5:31 PM

joey24007 on November 28, 2008 at 5:27 PM

Heh. Yes, that would be a good idea. If the Democrats can get a far-left socialist sympathizer in office, Republicans should be able to get a true conservative in.

Achilles on November 28, 2008 at 5:31 PM

Romney is nothing but a younger version of McCain.

Helloyawl on November 28, 2008 at 5:31 PM

The Washington Times reported Sarah Palin is being groomed by Bush and Reagan insiders for 2012, and they have bought a site domain name and ordered studies of both the Nixon and Reagan campaigns. She performed very well this year and can improve.

I support the party preventing the dreaded Obama second term, but my favorite is Palin. Her win would be another historic election and a return to Reagan conservatism.

chunderroad on November 28, 2008 at 5:31 PM

Janos Hunyadi on November 28, 2008 at 5:27 PM

you totally misunderstood me. i was getting at the fact that from the middle or the center left, the far right looks menacing. im not saying thats the truth or that sarah palin herself is menacing, but that even with people like Reagan, they dont win landslides until the center is convinced they arent a far left/right nut

ernesto on November 28, 2008 at 5:32 PM

I recall one poll taken in August 1999 which showed Bush leading Gore by 20 points. Polls this far out are crap

Janos Hunyadi on November 28, 2008 at 5:32 PM

Get ready for the long knifes of the RINO establishment to come out. This poll will scare them to death. They have taken a few shots at her already, now she will get hammered by them. The good news is that I think she can take em!

conservnut on November 28, 2008 at 5:33 PM

Let’s start now to plan ahead for 2012 to prevent the Mainstream Media from swinging the election again.
Since 46 percent of the electorate voted conservative and not for the Dems, how difficult could it be for conservatives to boycott all of the television cable news outlets that were corrupt and biased and dishonest who pushed Obama over the top? Let the boycott begin. Newspapers are already hurting. Kick the dishonest bastards in the media out and teach them to be objective and truthful once again.

Travis1 on November 28, 2008 at 5:34 PM

Obama is so inexperienced that he will suck as President and suck so bad that Romney will steamroll him in 2012 like Reagan did to Carter.

The inexperience of Zerobama reminds me of a scene in ‘Braveheart’: We are King Edward, Phillip is Obama, Eddie II is the dumbazz Dem voters, and the window is 2012 …

King: “If he can sack York, he can invade lower England.”

Phillip: “We will stop him!”

King: “Who is this person who speaks to me as though I needed his advice?”

Ed II: “I have named Phillip my High Councelor.”

King: “Is he qualified?”

Phillip: “I am skilled in the art of war, and military tactics, sire.”

King: “Are you?” (Walks him over to the window) “Then what advice would you offer for the current situation?” (Throws him out the window).

Phillip: “AAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHhhhhhhhhhhhhh….” (Thud)

Tony737 on November 28, 2008 at 5:34 PM

i was getting at the fact that from the middle or the center left, the far right looks menacing. im not saying thats the truth or that sarah palin herself is menacing, but that even with people like Reagan, they dont win landslides until the center is convinced they arent a far left/right nut

ernesto on November 28, 2008 at 5:32 PM

everything you just said was total BS

joey24007 on November 28, 2008 at 5:36 PM

Tony737 on November 28, 2008 at 5:34 PM

One of my favorite movie scenes!

conservnut on November 28, 2008 at 5:37 PM

I prefer Jindahl to Palin, Palin to Romney and I don’t like Huckabee at all. Of course, I’d prefer Newt to all three of them.

Sign of the Dollar on November 28, 2008 at 5:38 PM

Tony737 on November 28, 2008 at 5:34 PM

LOL @ Mittens in a kilt.

chunderroad on November 28, 2008 at 5:39 PM

Palins gets 28% of current gun owners.

I would’ve thought that’d be higher.

Tony737 on November 28, 2008 at 4:37 PM

Half of the country owns guns. I don’t think this is a top issue for most voters. And it’s not as if there’s a perception that the other Republican candidates are against gun ownership is there?

Sign of the Dollar on November 28, 2008 at 5:40 PM

you totally misunderstood me. i was getting at the fact that from the middle or the center left, the far right looks menacing. im not saying thats the truth or that sarah palin herself is menacing, but that even with people like Reagan, they dont win landslides until the center is convinced they arent a far left/right nut

ernesto on November 28, 2008 at 5:32 PM

Go back to what they were saying about Reagan when he ran. To listen to the left, he was an empty headed warmonger who’d start WWIII after the poor all starved to death and the schools were boarded up for lack of government funding.

Hollowpoint on November 28, 2008 at 5:40 PM

Exit invitation: Go ahead and tell me that the only reason she polls so much lower among all voters is because Democrats fear her. You know you want to.

The Democrats still fear her. That was the reason for the thoroughgoing slime job, which may in turn account for a lot of her unpopularity.

ddrintn on November 28, 2008 at 5:40 PM

ernesto on November 28, 2008 at 5:32 PM

I understand you very well, troll. I’ve been reading and overhearing and occasionaly listening to the same trite tired bullsh+t for forty years.

Give up, and get lost: You’re not intelligent, not well-educated, not able to use facts coherently, and only interesting in disrupting and diverting our discussions here.

Janos Hunyadi on November 28, 2008 at 5:42 PM

I can’t envision Palin at the bottom of the ticket again. She may run for President in 2012, but if she doesn’t win the primary I don’t think she’d be chosen to be VP again.

nitzsche on November 28, 2008 at 5:43 PM

you totally misunderstood me. i was getting at the fact that from the middle or the center left, the far right looks menacing. im not saying thats the truth or that sarah palin herself is menacing, but that even with people like Reagan, they dont win landslides until the center is convinced they arent a far left/right nut

ernesto on November 28, 2008 at 5:32 PM

See: McCain.

The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, expecting a different result.

HornetSting on November 28, 2008 at 5:45 PM

And that’s only 1/2 the battle. Convincing those OUTSIDE your base that she’s not menacing is the other 1/2. It stands to reason that the one who is everything to everyone on the far right would not be automatically appealing to those outside of that far right “base”. Energizing your base is not all it takes to with the presidency…

ernesto on November 28, 2008 at 5:15 PM

Why do you feel compelled to comment on her at all? Why was she subjected to a slime job? Are liberals that insecure with their ideas? The know they won’t sell unless opponents are destroyed?

ddrintn on November 28, 2008 at 5:46 PM

*They

ddrintn on November 28, 2008 at 5:46 PM

And it’s not as if there’s a perception that the other Republican candidates are against gun ownership is there? – Dollar

No, but with her being a moose-eating, gun and hunting enthusiast <— sp? that she’d be higher up for them.

Tony737 on November 28, 2008 at 5:47 PM

Heavens to Murgatroyd!

We’ve just seen one election go all pear-shaped, and we’re back in the saddle again!

I’d like to remind everyone that for three years Hillary Clinton was the heir presumptive of the gossamer crown of the Democratic Party…and where is she now? Why no polls telling us, with a straight face, that the conventional was right all along and that Mr. O was just a fluke?

Our press loves democracy so much that we’re in an endless election cycle? Is that it?

Let’s get a little closer to November, 2012, before we pick a front-runner…after all…Louis may die, or the horse may die, or I may die…or the horse may talk….

Puritan1648 on November 28, 2008 at 5:49 PM

Obama is so inexperienced that he will suck as President and suck so bad that Romney will steamroll him in 2012 like Reagan did to Carter.

Tony737 on November 28, 2008 at 5:34 PM

…I don’t know…both Mr. O and the sodomite in Mr. Gibson’s movie were experienced in the way meant when Mr. Hendrix trilled “Aaaaaaare you experienced?”…

…but neither proved or will prove useful in the end….

…”in the end”…unintentionally ironic….

Puritan1648 on November 28, 2008 at 5:54 PM

I will have to say once the primaries come and people listen to the debates, I strongly feel that the person that will emerge as the nominee is Bobby Jindal.
Palin is excellent in social issues, pro-2nd amendment (hunter), and energy. We’ll see what she does with the budget in Alaska.
Mitt is only great in fiscal conservatism. His newfound stances on social issues is something to think about. But, I don’t hold it against him like others do. Also his Mormonism which should not be an issue, but sadly it is.
Jindal is almost perfect. He is a tax cutter and fiscal conservative, he is great on social issues, is pro-second amendment (a hunter too), great on energy, a guy with great ideas and goes for it, and am I missing something?
All three are articulate, have great vision for the country, will not be a wuss in debates like McCain, and are strong candidates. I will be happy with either. But Jindal is my favorite with Palin a very very close second. Again it depends on the debates.
I can’t wait for 2012.

jencab on November 28, 2008 at 5:55 PM

We’ll see what she does with the budget in Alaska.
jencab on November 28, 2008 at 5:55 PM

Why? Please explain to me why?

Why not watch others whom State is going to hell in a handbasket due to their own “budget issues”. Alaska doesn’t even have a State Tax.. we are working on our Natural Resources, and anyone complaining about what Alaska gets should maybe look at their own State before they complain about Alaska and the budget up here.

upinak on November 28, 2008 at 6:00 PM

Romney/Palin ‘12? That’s what I was hoping for in ‘08. (Or Patreaus/Jindal) Tony737 on November 28, 2008 at 4:36 PM

Romney/Palin – The cult/cute ticket

Mojave Mark on November 28, 2008 at 6:04 PM

Stick a fork in Huckabee and Romney.

chunderroad on November 28, 2008 at 6:09 PM

Quick question…What has Bobby Jindal ever done?

Yes- I know he proposed a Big Government Health Care Plan about 10 days ago. It uses the nations Medicare dollars to pay for the healthcare of costs of the poor in Louisiana. Oh by the way, a healthcare plan originally proposed by the Democrats in his state.

Still, what has Jindal accomplished?

kcarpenter on November 28, 2008 at 6:12 PM

Democrats fear Palin? Haha that’s a good one, considering how her favorables crashed when we got to know her better and she ended up w/ the highest UNfavorables between all 4 on the natl. tickets.

For the GOP to have any chance in 2012 it needs to be Jindal/Hispanic to be named later.

Noneya on November 28, 2008 at 6:13 PM

Don’t forget about Mark Sanford.

lodge on November 28, 2008 at 4:47 PM

Sanford will finish two terms as SC governor in 2010 and has sound conservative ideas.

You gotta love a guy who went into the legislature with two pigs under his arms to speak against their pork.

Right_of_Attila on November 28, 2008 at 6:14 PM

Jindal is almost perfect. He is a tax cutter and fiscal conservative, he is great on social issues, is pro-second amendment (a hunter too), great on energy, a guy with great ideas and goes for it, and am I missing something?

Tax cutter? When?

Fiscal conservative? When?

What social issues?

Great on energy? What kind of energy?

Great ideas? What great ideas?

What you are missing is the evidence of any of things you claim.

kcarpenter on November 28, 2008 at 6:15 PM

All this poll shows who is in the hunt as of the end of November 2008. For SP this is good news; for Romney and Jindal they are in the game. Not a bad place to be.

technopeasant on November 28, 2008 at 6:19 PM

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