Zogby on 2012: Palin leads among Republicans, Romney leads among all voters

posted at 4:30 pm on November 28, 2008 by Allahpundit

Check that: Romney barely leads among all voters, within the margin of error. But here’s evidence, in case more was needed, of how sharply conservatives’ view of the ‘Cuda diverges from America’s. Among Republicans, it’s Palin 24.4, Mitt 18.1, Jindal 15.6; among everyone, Mitt 13.7, Palin 13.4, Jindal 12.5.

What happened to Huck, who was in the thick of things when Gallup recently asked a similar question? Palin happened to Huck:

Among Republicans, she gets the support of 30% of Born-Again Christians, 32% of weekly churchgoers, 34% of National Rifle Association members, 28% of current gun owners and 29% of self-identified conservatives. More GOP support comes from 32% of blue collar workers, 30% who shop weekly at Wal-Mart, 28% of NASCAR fans and 25% of both those with children under 17 and those with family members in the military…

Palin looks to be stealing Huckabee’s thunder among Republican religious conservatives and working class voters. Huckabee is an ordained Southern Baptist minister, and his highest GOP totals still come from Born-Again Christians (15%) and weekly churchgoers (18%), but those numbers are about half of those drawn by Palin. Despite his populist economic message, he wins only 10% of blue collar Republicans.

There’s your explanation for why he’s been taking shots at her lately, in case it wasn’t already clear. Interesting to see Jindal’s numbers so high, though, given how comparatively low his profile is and how poorly he fared in the Gallup poll. As another young rock-star “future of the party” governor, I wonder if he isn’t peeling votes away from Palin among people who’ve soured on her for whatever reason. Exit invitation: Go ahead and tell me that the only reason she polls so much lower among all voters is because Democrats fear her. You know you want to.


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She is a curse for the party and because of her that marxist is president.

ryandan on December 1, 2008 at 2:10 PM

I don’t know if you noticed this or not but it wasn’t exactly a GOP year and the financial thing didn’t help either

and there is no way, no way that a VP candidate lost the election

McCain was NOWHERE until he picked her

no volunteers
no money
no enthusiasm entering the convention … zip zero zilch

and we we’re all told that we needed to nominate McCain to bring in the “independents” … that was his gig … his job

McCain has a problem with conservatives … she solved that problem and the money came pouring in for McCain

blame the McCain campaign for not using her right

your “argument” is intellectually dishonest at best

joey24007 on December 1, 2008 at 2:14 PM

Palin is a curse on the republican party.

ryandan on December 1, 2008 at 1:54 PM

Gee, you sound so, so, so, logical and reasoned…
HAHAHAHA!
“A curse on the Republican party”…
Running a middle of the road to liberal Republican was the mistake.
No true conservative could back McCain, until Palin came on the ticket.
And all of the horrible lies of Palin stuck with her.
What sunk the election was two things, one was the economy, second was that when his back was to the wall, no real conservative could get the energy to “fight” for McCain, because McCain never fought (politically) for conservatives.
Jesus could have been on his ticket, and we would have lost. Amazing it was only by a few points.
Funny how all those “independents” left because of Palin, yet he only lost by a few %.
The MSM and the liberals (is that redundant) wants to destroy Palin because she is a huge threat…and some on our side are buying into that message.

right2bright on December 1, 2008 at 2:14 PM

Bambi: I think Mitt Romney may have the same problem that Al Gore does; hilarious in private but too sober in public.

technopeasant on December 1, 2008 at 2:14 PM

ryandan, you’re cracking me up now. Perhaps we should have some focus groups to see how many who voted for Bush 4 years ago would vote for him again, were he able to run.

littleguy on December 1, 2008 at 2:16 PM

Reagan appealed to conservatives and independents.

Independents avoid Palin like the plague.

There is no such thing as Palin democrats like Reagan democrats.

Reagan did great in macomb county michigan. Reagan did great in the suburbs.

Reagan was a conservative who appealed to both conservatives and independents. Palin can’t do that.

Can you ever imagine Reagan being punked by that nitwit Couric.

Reagan would have destroyed Couric.

Palin is the opposite of Reagan. Reagan was a savior Palin is a curse.

ryandan on December 1, 2008 at 2:13 PM

once again you lack of knowledge is showing

you are comparing the Reagan of 1980 to Sarah Palin

I was comparing the Reagan of 1976 to Palin

when many “Republicans” were saying those things about Reagan

you know:

dunce
too conservative
foreign policy cowboy
not into details
doesn’t appeal to the “moderates”
doesn’t appeal to the “independents”

I think Reagan gave a speech on this subject, here it is:

http://www.conservative.org/pressroom/reagan/reagan1975.asp

joey24007 on December 1, 2008 at 2:17 PM

Today Sarah said on the stump: “The stakes are high. America is counting on you.” 1300+ comments later we who support you are responding. We will not let you down, Sarah.

technopeasant on December 1, 2008 at 2:23 PM

right2bright,

the dem rats want her as the face of the party.

why do you think they all want her interviews now. They openly admit they want her as the face of the party. Even Noonon admitted it.

ryandan on December 1, 2008 at 2:24 PM

The old saying: beware of what you ask for-you might just get it, and you might not like what you see.

technopeasant on December 1, 2008 at 2:26 PM

Everybody wants her interview now because she is a ratings goldmine. Who else can pull her numbers?

littleguy on December 1, 2008 at 2:29 PM

Ryandan,

What’s with the hate?

Chill out or move on.

McCain lost due to himself and the economic meltdown. Sarah fired the base, and McCain failed to deliver independents.

After McCain picked Palin, he was actually ahead and then the economic meltdown happened. Also, Sarah is more of a libertarian. McCain’s campaign let her get branded as a far-right religious fanatic which she isn’t. Over the next few years, Americans will get to know the real Sarah and her experience will grow. She will eventually connect with the Reagan Dems given a chance over time.

Remember that she was brought up prematurely due to McCain having ZERO excitement in his campaign and needing a huge jolt of energy which Palin delivered.

Spend some time to get to know the real Sarah, and you’ll find out she is not evil. Heck, I’ve even talked to many people about her who believed lies about her and convinced a few of them what she is really like and also what the situation is in Alaska.

Such hate is disturbing.

Sapwolf on December 1, 2008 at 2:33 PM

This thread is only a preview of coming attractions, a microcosm of America in the age of Obama. The ridicule and venom spewed by the MSM and the leftie-moderate cranks against Sarah will be a million times worse before all this plays itself out in the 2012 primary season and perhaps the general election. You betcha!

technopeasant on December 1, 2008 at 2:56 PM

right2bright,

the dem rats want her as the face of the party.

why do you think they all want her interviews now. They openly admit they want her as the face of the party. Even Noonon admitted it.

ryandan on December 1, 2008 at 2:24 PM

Where do you get that?
Noonan says that because she hates Palin (like you do), she knows if she and others keep the “The MSM wants Palin” stuff, that is the way for the conservative to say “if they want her we don’t”.
But show me a glowing article about Palin from the MSM…they all state that Republicans “leaders” are resentful because she is commanding such respect and attention.
Link the MSM articles that show how the MSM “want her to be ahead of the Republican because she is such a good leader”.
You can’t…as I said, you and others have fallen into the MSM propaganda. Congratulations…
Show me that article from a liberal that shows they want Palin to be in the race…not one that reports she is, but one that is supportive of her.

right2bright on December 1, 2008 at 3:00 PM

Such hate is disturbing.

Sapwolf on December 1, 2008 at 2:33 PM

What is disturbing is how easy it is to manipulate people like ryandan. He really believes what he states, he actually believes that Palin took votes away, which is what the MSM has been hammering at. It shows that the NYT, LAT, NBC, etc., really do have an effect on the psyche, voters are swayed but what they read over and over, and not by facts.

right2bright on December 1, 2008 at 3:04 PM

As I have repeated consistently the in the tank MSM is insidious and manipulative-just pound away uninterrupted 24/7 and some of the mud is going to stick-quite a simple formula when you sit back and think about it.

technopeasant on December 1, 2008 at 3:12 PM

Dec 1, 10:01 AM (ET)
Several thousand supporters waited in the cold to file into the James Brown Arena in Augusta. Vendors sold bright pink “Palin 2012″ T-shirts and “Palin for President: You Go Girl” buttons. She was greeted like a rock star with chants of “Sa-rah!”

Guess these voters never got the memo that Palin isn’t popular…

right2bright on December 1, 2008 at 3:28 PM

It’s simple joey…I was giving you a chance to be original and unpredictable. You failed, however, and defaulted to your typical dullard response. BTW, you would have just a touch more credibility if you refrained from referring to Gov. Palin as “Sarah”. Makes you sound like more of a tool than I’m sure you already are.

dakine on December 1, 2008 at 3:43 PM

dakine on December 1, 2008 at 3:43 PM

So far joey has linked some on Palin, some on Reagan.
Made some good comparisons to Reagan in 76 and not 80, some pretty nice and thorough posts.
and this is what your summation is:

…typical dullard response…Makes you sound like more of a tool than I’m sure you already are.

When someone provides multiple links and quotes, and the responder calls names…who is the tool?

right2bright on December 1, 2008 at 3:55 PM

Sarah is a curse for the Republican party as Brett Favre is a curse to the Green Bay Packers. Without Brett Favre the Packers are not going to make the playoffs this year. With Brett at least they had a chance. The same applies to Sarah. She, st least, gave McCain a slim chance to prevail. Without Sarah, McCain wouldn’t have even been in the game.

technopeasant on December 1, 2008 at 3:56 PM

You?

dakine on December 1, 2008 at 3:56 PM

Why does everyone keep missing the point?

Palin lost because she is a WOMAN.

End of story.

Women get ZERO respect in America anymore due to the deleterious effects of slut feminism.

Some people may not want to admit it but it is true.

There will not be a woman president any time soon, if ever.

SaintOlaf on December 1, 2008 at 4:05 PM

You?

dakine on December 1, 2008 at 3:56 PM

So far, most everyone has stated their opinions on Palin, some for some against.
Most everyone has stated some facts, some quotes, some observations.
You, I notice, are the only one who only takes potshots at people posting. You state very few, if any facts, or quotes, you just “drive-by” and take a shot or two.
You have someone who spent a lot of time and effort putting together an excellent website (whether you like the subject or not) and you just diss him without any real facts. It makes you look petty.
You learn alot about people watching them post…some a brave and put forth their thoughts, knowing they will attacked…and others just come down from the stands, throw a few tomatoes, then run back.
In other words, there are strong opinionated secure people, and weak opinionated insecure posters; who know only to “hit and run”….the technical word is “weasels”.

right2bright on December 1, 2008 at 4:07 PM

Saint Olaf: Palin didn’t lose: McCain did. It was his campaign. He was the director and wrote the script. Sarah was along for the ride; that she was not able to drag Yosemite Sam across the finish line is not her fault but attributable to the financial meltdown and McCain as a mediocre Presidential candidate. It is what it is!

technopeasant on December 1, 2008 at 4:12 PM

SaintOlaf on December 1, 2008 at 4:05 PM

Hate to break it to you, but it was a McCain/Palin ticket. She didn’t lose, the ticket lost. In fact (as observed just today in Georgia) it could be argued she is the one who won on the ticket. She carried McCain.
Women, like Margaret Thatcher, will lead when the right one comes along. The ones that lead, lead better then most men. Golda Meir, Margaret Thatcher, are two that come to mind.
Seeing as you are religious, that is why Jesus chose them (women) as his closest allies, his closest companions. The ones that never gave up hope, and were there to the very end. Even Jesus knew who to surround Himself with.

right2bright on December 1, 2008 at 4:13 PM

Women, like Margaret Thatcher, will lead when the right one comes along. The ones that lead, lead better then most men.

Not in the american 21st century buddy..

You may remember that Margaret Thatcher was not from America BTW.

Here in raunch culture America,women are not taken seriously they are sex objects at best.

Yes Sarah Palin too. (She was a Beauty Pageant runner up remember..)

Blame Madonna and the slut feminists. They did it to themselves.

SaintOlaf on December 1, 2008 at 4:20 PM

I am not a Hillary Clinton supporter, but I took her seriously, very seriously. I never looked at her as a sexual object. Neither do I look at Sarah Palin as a sexual obsession. I am a Sarah Palin supporter, not because she is a serious female politician, but because she is a ‘player’. A ‘player’ is a person who demonstrates the ability to lead, inspire, affirm beliefs in a most vigorous way and finally have the will to win and then win. Clearly Sarah Palin is a ‘player’. I am not saying that her nomination to run for the GOP in 2012 is assured or destined, but as I have said all along-she is in the mix and for anyone to deny that she is even a ‘player’ with a lot of political talent is person who is not intellectually honest or has an agenda to destroy her before she gets her campaign off the ground if she chooses to run. Whether she is the best choice for 2012-that is what the primary season is all about.

technopeasant on December 1, 2008 at 4:40 PM

You know why this ia a weird election season. During the the general campaign Obama, counterintuitively, emphasized his leftist credentials; now that he will be President he is perceived by many pundits to be running away from the far Left even though most of us who have studied Obama view him as a inveterate radical socialist.As to the GOP McCain ran as a moderate and centrist; post-election all the talk is for the party to become more conservatve and according to some critics shut out independents and centrist voters from considering the GOP in the future.

technopeasant on December 1, 2008 at 5:01 PM

why do you think they all want her interviews now. They openly admit they want her as the face of the party. Even Noonon admitted it.

ryandan on December 1, 2008 at 2:24 PM

Why? Ratings. Palin is a ratings magnet, and good ratings are what the media want.

ddrintn on December 1, 2008 at 6:30 PM

I am not a Hillary Clinton supporter, but I took her seriously, very seriously. I never looked at her as a sexual object.
technopeasant on December 1, 2008 at 4:40 PM

A lot of us feel that way, probably including Bill Clinton. ;)

ddrintn on December 1, 2008 at 6:33 PM

I’m putting out a challenge to all HA bloggers and readers. Let contribute over 1300+ comments on the Sarah Palin-Saxby Chambliss thread as well.

technopeasant on December 1, 2008 at 7:21 PM

Blame Madonna and the slut feminists. They did it to themselves.

SaintOlaf on December 1, 2008 at 4:20 PM

First, obviously I know that Thatcher is not American, as I also noted Golda Meir (did you know she wasn’t American?)
I blame the religious kooks, who have tried to keep women down and out of leadership positions.
Long before the feminists, were churches who made sure that women were not heard, were not in any leadership positions. The churches set the ground rules that women could not lead. It wasn’t the feminists that kept women from voting.
You have the strangest way of looking at history. Women have been second class citizens for hundreds of years…Betty Friedan for a few dozen.

right2bright on December 1, 2008 at 7:44 PM

Y’all need to join Who is John Galt or the Galt group on Facebook.

If we don’t do something quick, it wont matter who runs.

eaglesdontflock on December 1, 2008 at 8:47 PM

I’m putting out a challenge to all HA bloggers and readers. Let contribute over 1300+ comments on the Sarah Palin-Saxby Chambliss thread as well.

technopeasant on December 1, 2008 at 7:21 PM

Oh, it will, especially once Shelby, benny shakar and Poptech catch the scent. :D

ddrintn on December 1, 2008 at 8:49 PM

JOKE ALERT

IT’S NICE TO GET ALONG

The rest of the world cannot understand how after bitter election campaigns, American politicians can return to reality.

For Instance Sarah Palin has invited to her great state of Alaska the men who defeated her, Barack Obama and Joe Biden. She has provided a moose hunting trip for their enjoyment and has hired two other prominent men to assist them. Dick Cheney will instruct them in safe gun handling and Ted Kennedy will drive them back to their cabins in the evening.

What a gal, that Sarah is such a sport and thinks of everything.

eaglesdontflock on December 1, 2008 at 8:53 PM

Oh, it will, especially once Shelby, benny shakar and Poptech catch the scent. :D

ddrintn on December 1, 2008 at 8:49 PM

should we just post Romney’s resume and get it over with?

joey24007 on December 1, 2008 at 9:22 PM

I blame the religious kooks, who have tried to keep women down and out of leadership positions.
Long before the feminists, were churches who made sure that women were not heard, were not in any leadership positions. The churches set the ground rules that women could not lead. It wasn’t the feminists that kept women from voting.
You have the strangest way of looking at history. Women have been second class citizens for hundreds of years…Betty Friedan for a few dozen.

right2bright on December 1, 2008 at 7:44 PM

I tend to agree more with SaintOlaf’s “slut feminism” theory. Us religious fanatics recognize contributions of gifted women dating back to Biblical times. This in comparison to the slut feminists who have convinced themselves that killing, not having babies is the natural way. Women have lost more respect due to our own nutjobs than any church group.

Doppleganker on December 1, 2008 at 9:49 PM

I don’t know if you noticed this or not but it wasn’t exactly a GOP year and the financial thing didn’t help either

and there is no way, no way that a VP candidate lost the election

McCain was NOWHERE until he picked her

no volunteers
no money
no enthusiasm entering the convention … zip zero zilch

and we we’re all told that we needed to nominate McCain to bring in the “independents” … that was his gig … his job

McCain has a problem with conservatives … she solved that problem and the money came pouring in for McCain

blame the McCain campaign for not using her right

your “argument” is intellectually dishonest at best

joey24007 on December 1, 2008 at 2:14 PM

Good reply. Governor Palin is a force of nature. McCain was the drag on the ticket. The only reason I voted for McCain was because of Palin. McCain makes me ill.

Geochelone on December 2, 2008 at 3:14 AM

McCain lost the independents during the bailout. It may have been his handling of it, his vote for it or his association with George Bush who favored the bailout or a combo of the three but I believe the whole financial meltdown did him and Sarah in. At the time many pundits predicted this. I was probably too naive or hopeful to go along with their prognosis. Now on reflection they were right and I was wrong.

technopeasant on December 2, 2008 at 7:31 AM

Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Go get bent, God Bless America, and Sarah Palin is awesome.

Brian1972 on November 29, 2008 at 7:43 AM

Whaaaaaaaaaaa!

Yes, God Bless America, and Sarah sux.

p.s. “gingerparti” from Politico…this post is for you. Egg dripping down your face once again…

Shelby on December 6, 2008 at 6:10 AM

Pop Teach. Damn! Do you know how much influence you might have with Conservative voters if you weren’t such a wanker?

hawkdriver on December 31, 2009 at 10:03 AM

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