Update: Mumbai massacre still raging

posted at 10:47 am on November 27, 2008 by Allahpundit

I’ve got 20 browser tabs open to stories on different aspects of what’s happening but it’ll take too long to digest them all at once, so let’s start small and then I’ll follow with updates. For the moment, suffice it to say, they’re still at it: Indian troops are inside the hotels being held hostage and are clearing them room by room to flush out the jihadis hiding in both buildings. Terrorists are firing from the eighth floor of the Trident and at least four of them have blown themselves up inside the Taj. MSNBC was reporting new explosions in the latter building as recently as a half hour ago, which I assume is due to Indian troops stumbling upon rooms where suicide bombers are holed up. What kind of arsenal are we talking about here? IBN:

One commando was killed two others injured in the operation at Taj in which one rucksack full of plastic explosives, eight–nine loaded AK–47 magazines, large amounts of ammunition, hand grenades, detonators, batteries, wrist watches for IEDs, foreign currencies, fake credit cards, dry fruits and cash carried by the terrorists were recovered.

More than 100 people, including at least 14 cops are dead so far, but since no one knows what’s going on inside the hotels and bombs are still going off, the true death toll is anyone’s guess. A hostage released from one of the hotels reports having seen “many bodies.” Another open question is how many of the victims were or are being killed accidentally by Indian security themselves: According to Jonathan Foreman at the Corner, they’ve been known to fire wildly in these situations.

Update: A surreal scene from the Guardian as eyewitnesses describe terrorists arriving by boat.

At least some of the terrorists, said to be in their early twenties and armed with AK-47 assault rifles and hand grenades, landed on the coast of Mumbai’s commercial and entertainment neighbourhood in light and fast Gemini boats, powered by small outboard motors.

These inflatable dinghies, according to Indian navy sources quoted by the Headlines Today TV news channel, were launched from a larger vessel, the MV Alfa, which arrived near Mumbai sometime yesterday and anchored offshore a distance from India’s financial capital…

By this time the vessel had left the vicinity of Mumbai. When first reported by the news channel today, the MV Alfa was said to be off the Gujarat coast and heading towards Pakistan.

The Guardian’s source reports seeing six men get off the boat. Sky News claims that there were only 12 in all, which can’t be true given how many separate attacks there were last night unless that group rendezvoused with another group that was already in the city. I saw a bulletin on IBN earlier claiming that five jihadis had been killed and nine captured, so Sky’s number is at least a little low. Or, more likely, a lot.

Update: Whodunnit? The NYT offers a melange of expert opinion suggesting (a) it’s Al Qaeda, (b) it’s definitely not Al Qaeda, (c) it’s a group with ties to Pakistan’s Lashkar e-Taiba, (d) it’s a homegrown Indian group. Hope that clears things up. The Independent makes a strong case that the answer’s (d), that the “Deccan Mujahedeen” is actually a dangerous group known as the Indian Mujahedeen acting by another name. (“A high level of sophistication has also been a hallmark of previous attacks by the Indian Mujahideen.”) Is India likely to acknowledge that if it’s true? Stratfor plays realpolitik and says no:

[T]he Indian government has two choices. First, it can simply say that the perpetrators are a domestic group. In that case, it will be held accountable for a failure of enormous proportions in security and law enforcement. It will be charged with being unable to protect the public. On the other hand, it can link the attack to an outside power: Pakistan. In that case it can hold a nation-state responsible for the attack, and can use the crisis atmosphere to strengthen the government’s internal position by invoking nationalism. Politically this is a much preferable outcome for the Indian government, and so it is the most likely course of action. This is not to say that there are no outside powers involved — simply that, regardless of the ground truth, the Indian government will claim there were…

Either way, India is under enormous pressure to respond. Therefore the events point to a serious crisis not simply between Pakistan and India, but within Pakistan as well, with the government caught between foreign powers and domestic realities. Given the circumstances, massive destabilization is possible — never a good thing with a nuclear power.

Pakistan’s already trying to defuse the situation, but too late: Sources are whispering to the Times of India that the jihadis are Pakistani nationals (“We have total clues”) and Indian PM Singh hinted darkly in his speech to the nation this morning about “external linkages.” Which isn’t to say it’s not true: Sky News claims one terrorist spoke in a Kashmiri accent and ranted about the number of Muslims killed there. But Stratfor’s right, needless to say, that this is a huge embarrassment for Indian intel (especially since it happened in Mumbai, where security is tighter because of previous bombings) and doubly so if it was planned on Indian soil.

Here’s vid of Singh’s address.


Update: As always, Jews are a special target. Eight people are reportedly being held hostage at the Mumbai Lubavitch center, although the rabbi’s two-year-old son was released. Another surreal scene:

“We heard bang-bang in the alleyway and first thought it was firecrackers. But then we heard horrible grief and a woman ran out covered in the blood of her mother. We saw two older women were shot dead while cooking dinner in their kitchens,” said Sanjay Kokate, who was a local political leader and said he was part of a self-appointed citizens police force. “We helped carry the bodies out. People have been trapped inside their apartments ever since. It’s so horrifying.”

According to Chabad’s Web site, the center offers daily prayer services and Torah classes, and is a popular hangout among Israeli tourists.

The Web site said the center is run by Rabbi Gavriel Holtzberg and his wife Rivka. The couple’s two-year-old son was escorted out of the building several hours after the attack, his clothing soaked in blood, the Associated Press reported. The toddler was accompanied by a cook and another employee of the center. The Chabad Web site said the fate of Gavriel and Rivka Holtzvberg was not known.

And a tantalizing detail from the Guardian:

One police officer who encountered the gunmen as they entered the Jewish centre told the Guardian the attackers were “white”, although this could mean they were paler-skinned Indians from the country’s north.

“I went into the building late last night,” he said. “I got a shock because they were white. I was expecting them to look like us. They fired three shots. I fired 10 back.

Update: Roggio aptly calls this the most significant terror attack since 9/11 and expects it’ll force a major rethink of Indian counterterror policy. What does that mean? Sadanand Dhume explains:

The litany of errors is long. Unlike their counterparts in the West, or in East Asia, India’s perpetually squabbling leaders have failed to put national security above partisan politics. The country’s antiterrorism effort is reactive and episodic rather than proactive and sustained. Its public discourse on Islam oscillates between crude anti-Muslim bigotry and mindless sympathy for largely unjustified Muslim grievance-mongering. Its failure to either charm or cow its Islamist-friendly neighbors — Pakistan and Bangladesh — reveals a limited grasp of statecraft. Finally, an inability to modernize a 150-million strong Muslim population, the second largest after Indonesia’s, has spawned a community ill-equipped to seize new economic opportunities and susceptible to militant Islam’s faith-based appeal…

In sum, the Indian approach to terrorism has been consistently haphazard and weak-kneed. When faced with fundamentalist demands, India’s democratically elected leaders have regularly preferred caving to confrontation on a point of principle. The country’s institutions and culture have abetted a widespread sense of Muslim separateness from the national mainstream. The country’s diplomats and soldiers have failed to stabilize the neighborhood. The ongoing drama in Mumbai underscores the price both Indians and non-Indians caught unawares must now pay.

Update: The Economist joins the “whodunnit?” game and leans heavily towards the theory that it was a homegrown group of Indian Muslims, quite possibly the Indian Mujahedeen. They also mention, en passant, reports from Indian troops inside the hotels that there are “bodies in many rooms.”


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This attack is definitely a scary shift in tactics.

flipflop on November 27, 2008 at 10:51 AM

being held hostage

that are held hostage. This way is very confusing.

lorien1973 on November 27, 2008 at 10:52 AM

Is it just me, or does it feel like the War on Terror is just no worth fighting anymore, now our country has elected a guy who himself has past ties to Terrorists?

Has anyone in the media yet asked Obama about his trip to Pakistan in the early 1980s on an Indonesian passport? Is this just all a coincidence that this is happening 3 weeks after we elected this guy?

ericdondero on November 27, 2008 at 10:53 AM

AP,
Thanks for coming out on Thanksgiving Day. I know I speak for others when I say that your sacrifice of the day is appreciated. Happy Thanksgiving!

thomasaur on November 27, 2008 at 10:54 AM

When will our political elites begin using the phrase War on Islamofascism instead of the Milquetoast-ish War on Terror?
Terror is a tactic, not an enemy.

jgapinoy on November 27, 2008 at 10:56 AM

I don’t own a TV… is there a good live news feed online?

Ugly on November 27, 2008 at 10:58 AM

Foreign currency?

Fake credit cards?

Why?

BallisticBob on November 27, 2008 at 10:58 AM

Yea, thanks for updating us during a holiday Papa Allah

blatantblue on November 27, 2008 at 10:58 AM

For the moment, suffice it to say, they’re still at it: Indian troops are inside the hotels being held hostage and are clearing them room by room to flush out the jihadis hiding in both buildings.

Try this:

For the moment, suffice it to say, they’re still at it: Indian troops are inside the hotels where hostages are being held, and are clearing them room by room to flush out the jihadis hiding in both buildings.

gatorboy on November 27, 2008 at 10:58 AM

Hey Obama! is this what the new youth militia is gonna do here at home??? Remember that little compulsory national service thingy he was talking about?

gringo69 on November 27, 2008 at 10:58 AM

The liberal Deepak Chopra on CNN yesterday: “moderate Muslims” must go further than just condemning these attacks.

If he’s saying it, it’s a point that can be made. Let’s really push this angle.

indythinker on November 27, 2008 at 10:59 AM

Why isn’t the Indian Navy chasing down that ship and blowing it out of the water?

fleiter on November 27, 2008 at 11:00 AM

Is it just me, or does it feel like the War on Terror is just no worth fighting anymore, now our country has elected a guy who himself has past ties to Terrorists?

Has anyone in the media yet asked Obama about his trip to Pakistan in the early 1980s on an Indonesian passport? Is this just all a coincidence that this is happening 3 weeks after we elected this guy?

ericdondero on November 27, 2008 at 10:53 AM

The GWOT is bigger than one US politician. It threatens the fabric of civilization and is being perpetrated by uncivilized beings. As far as barry’s past; ‘It’ll all come out in the wash’.

thomasaur on November 27, 2008 at 11:00 AM

According to Jonathan Foreman at the Corner, they’ve been known to fire wildly in these situations.

Cheap unsubstantiated shot.

Blake on November 27, 2008 at 11:00 AM

The boat was probably the main ammo and arms source. It wasnt a troop ship it would seem

Make me wonder if they came from a larger ship ?

William Amos on November 27, 2008 at 11:01 AM

I don’t understand the point of this attack. It seems to have no purpose. The terrorists took hostages but as far as I know have made no demands. Barricading themselves inside structures which for all intents and purposes is their death trap. There can be little hope for escape and the only way out is in a bag. Meanwhile life in the city is going on regardless of the hostage situation. Life there has not ground to a standstill.

What is the goal here?.

Guardian on November 27, 2008 at 11:01 AM

Has anyone asked Bill Ayers whether he approves of the attack?

indythinker on November 27, 2008 at 11:01 AM

I don’t own a TV… is there a good live news feed online?

Good for you.
We didn’t own one for about 15 years.
Even now we watch it maybe three hours a month, & we don’t have cable.
Life is too precious to waste staring at a box.

jgapinoy on November 27, 2008 at 11:01 AM

Why isn’t the Indian Navy chasing down that ship and blowing it out of the water?

fleiter on November 27, 2008 at 11:00 AM

They are following it back to the source ?

William Amos on November 27, 2008 at 11:02 AM

This attack is from Al Qaeda. They are very desperate. They are trying to start a war between India and Pakistan, because that is their only hope at this point. They have no places left to hide. They are driven out of Bosnia, Iraq, Somalia, Afghanistan, the Phillipines, and now their hideouts in Pakistan are coming under missile fire.

This is their last gasp, like the Tet Offensive. If we redouble our efforts at this point, Al Qaeda might be finished in a year.

indythinker on November 27, 2008 at 11:03 AM

wonder if the piracy and this incident have any connection

blatantblue on November 27, 2008 at 11:03 AM

indythinker on November 27, 2008 at 11:01 AM

If he does, can we fly him over there and put him in the middle of the firefight?

Heck, even if he doesn’t…

I apologize for that,Lord,and be with all the starving pygmies in New Guinea. Amen.

kingsjester on November 27, 2008 at 11:04 AM

fleiter on November 27, 2008 at 11:00 AM

Yeah, no kidding.

BallisticBob on November 27, 2008 at 11:05 AM

Wife and two small children of Taj Mahal Hotel owner killed in fire at Hotel

The wife and the two children of General Manager of Taj Hotels Karambir Kang were killed in the terrorist attack on the hotel.

Confirming the news, a company spokesperson said while Kang is safe his wife and children were killed at the Taj Hotel, where the security forces were trying to release hostages held by terrorists since last night.

It is learnt that they were killed in the fire that broke out in the hotel after the attack and their bodies were charred beyond recognition, according to hotel sources.

William Amos on November 27, 2008 at 11:06 AM

Indian authorities have the suspected mother ship. They were reportedly boarding and searching it yesterday. One report indicated that the ship was from Karachi, but I’m not sure that was substantiated.

Bugler on November 27, 2008 at 11:07 AM

I hope the Indian Army takes no prisoners.
God forgive me.

kingsjester on November 27, 2008 at 11:07 AM

I don’t own a TV… is there a good live news feed online?

I prefer never to refer people to CNN, but their online live feed has good bandwidth.

bryanmyrick on November 27, 2008 at 11:08 AM

William Amos on November 27, 2008 at 11:06 AM

Damn it!

Guardian on November 27, 2008 at 11:09 AM

They are following it back to the source ?

William Amos on November 27, 2008 at 11:02 AM

This article mentions the Indian navy boarding a cargo ship that was anchored off Mumbai.

flipflop on November 27, 2008 at 11:09 AM

AFP News

Militants who attacked Mumbai came from Pakistan: army official

MUMBAI (AFP) – Militants who staged multiple attacks in the Indian city of Mumbai, killing at least 125 people and injuring hundreds more, came from Pakistan, a senior military official said on Thursday.

“They are from across the border and perhaps from Faridkot, Pakistan. They tried to pretend that they were from Hyderabad,” Major General R.K. Hooda, leading the military operation to flush out the extremists, told reporters.

William Amos on November 27, 2008 at 11:10 AM

I hope the Indian Army takes no prisoners.
God forgive me.

kingsjester on November 27, 2008 at 11:07 AM

I think they’ve taken prisoners. They have probably been vigorously “interviewing” them.

Monnbats will start squawking about their human rights any minute now.

forest on November 27, 2008 at 11:12 AM

What is the goal here?.

Guardian on November 27, 2008 at 11:01 AM

It’s a terrorist attack and the goal of a terrorist attack is to instill terror. It is also in the main financial sector of Mumbai and India’s economy is doing fairly well considering the global financial situation.

thomasaur on November 27, 2008 at 11:12 AM

Washington Post

Indian Navy Boards Supicious Ship in Mumbai
Thursday, November 27, 2008; 7:08 AM

MUMBAI, India — The Indian navy says its forces are boarding a cargo vessel suspected of ties to the Mumbai attacks that killed 101 people.

Navy spokesman Capt. Manohar Nambiar said Thursday that the ship, the MV Alpha, had recently come to Mumbai from Karachi, Pakistan.

Nambiar says the navy has “located the ship and now we are in the process of boarding it and searching it.” He gave no other details on the ship.

William Amos on November 27, 2008 at 11:13 AM

The War on Islamofascism is still worth fighting even after electing Obama. Barack Obama is a Christian, at least purportedly. If he in fact is a Christian who was born of a Muslim father, he is considered an apostate by the takfiri Muslims like Al Qaeda, which means he is numer 1 on their enemy list, behind all the other infidels.

Obama campaigned on the platform of attacking Al Qaeda harder than George W. Bush has, at least in Afghanistan and Pakistan.

Obama will keep Gates at Defense. This signals he will keep Petraeus at CENTCOM, and probably promote Petraeus further should we have success in the Afghanistan/Pakistan theater.

The President-Elect does not really understand our national security structure. He really is convinced he can call up the Joint Chiefs of Staff and order a military strike. In fact the Joint Chiefs are just advisors. The commanders in theater are in a different chain of command. This indicates that Obama will be forced to rely heavily on his advisors, among whom will chiefly be Gates and Petraeus.

The main danger with Obama is that he will cut off funding for SDI. We absolutely need SDI for numerous reasons, exhibit A being the risk of an EMP attack from a country like Iran.

The secondary danger of Obama is that he will appease countries like Iran and Venezuela. He would have to go through Her Majesty Hillary to do that, however, and she can be a real bitch when she wants to.

To sum it up, even though we have elected a pansy to be President, he can be outmaneuvered, and our country is still worth fighting for no matter what.

indythinker on November 27, 2008 at 11:14 AM

AP,
Thanks for coming out on Thanksgiving Day. I know I speak for others when I say that your sacrifice of the day is appreciated. Happy Thanksgiving!

thomasaur on November 27, 2008 at 10:54 AM

Indeed. Thanks, AP.

Weight of Glory on November 27, 2008 at 11:14 AM

Monnbats will start squawking about their human rights any minute now.

forest on November 27, 2008 at 11:12 AM

Moonbats aren’t taken as seriously in places like India as they are here and Europe.

thomasaur on November 27, 2008 at 11:15 AM

the MV Alfa was said to be off the Gujarat coast and heading towards Pakistan.

Is there any word when the ship will be surrounded by warships, blown out of the water, or will they just allow it safe passage back home?

mikepatr on November 27, 2008 at 11:18 AM

William Amos on November 27, 2008 at 11:04 AM

bryanmyrick on November 27, 2008 at 11:08 AM

Thanks

Ugly on November 27, 2008 at 11:18 AM

Good lord is the left really this clueless ? From Larry king last night
————————

CNN’s Larry King spoke with author Deepak Chopra about the situation.

Deepak Chopra

The situation is complex, Larry, because it could inflame to proportions that we cannot even imagine. It has to be contained. We now recognize that this is a global problem, with only a global effort can solve this.

And you know, one of the things that I think is happening is that these militant terrorist groups are actually terrified that [President-elect Barack] Obama’s gestures to the rest of the Muslim world may actually overturn the tables on them by alienating them from the rest of the Muslim world, so they’re reacting to this.

You know, this is Obama’s opportunity to actually harness the help of the Muslims

William Amos on November 27, 2008 at 11:20 AM

Some here are asking “Why is this happening?” I’m amazed that it isn’t happening all the time. Terrorists is a comfortable label-’they are just trying to scare us’-but this isn’t anything less than the GWOT opening a new front. These aren’t terrorists-these are soldiers loyal to a religion unbound by borders. And their intent is to knock down our civilization and supplant it with their own.

Doug on November 27, 2008 at 11:21 AM

And this isn’t even the “crisis” Biden said President Osama Obama would face….

MrScribbler on November 27, 2008 at 11:22 AM

Thanks AP – In regards to this:

The Guardian’s source reports seeing six men get off the boat. Sky News claims that there were only 12 in all, which can’t be true given how many separate attacks there were last night unless that group rendezvoused with another group that was already in the city.

The guys from the boat probably brought the heavy ammo (grenades, explosives for IEDs, maybe the AK-47s as well) to supply the personnel already established in the area. Say as employees at the hotels.

Skywise on November 27, 2008 at 11:23 AM

There is absolutely nothing in place to prevent these sorts of attacks from happening anywhere on earth (notwithstanding Israel’s record of relative success with the wall). If this is a methodological shift to coordinated low-intensity attacks, and it gains traction against the U.S. for example, we’re looking at a whole new world. I can’t imagine Americans submitting to TSA-style patdowns at every bus stop and auditorium.

I’ll say an extra bit of thanks for our present security when I sit down with the family in a few hours.

And thanks, Allah, for working this today.

DrSteve on November 27, 2008 at 11:25 AM

The DC snipers shows what damage could be done just with a two man team with weapons.

William Amos on November 27, 2008 at 11:26 AM

AllahPundit,
The ToI link that you direct to claims that four fidayeen terrorists have been killed – if they blew themselves up, we would not know that – atleast not from the report.That would of course mean more casualties since that is the whole point of fidayeen – a suicide attack that takes lot of innocent lives along with it.

As an Indian living in Chicago, i’d like to thank you for trying to stay uptodate on the issue – you could have easily taken a break just like millions of Americans do and I would perfectly understand.

But you didnt – kudos to that.

May be, just may be there will be more awareness now that we are fighting against a ghoulish lunacy that simply cannot be negotiated with. And if that happens, I could’nt be more thankful.

I will say a prayer for all the innocent blood that has been shed and for the top police officials who died trying to protect the people.

nagee76 on November 27, 2008 at 11:28 AM

Is it just me, or does it feel like the War on Terror is just no worth fighting anymore, now our country has elected a guy who himself has past ties to Terrorists?

Has anyone in the media yet asked Obama about his trip to Pakistan in the early 1980s on an Indonesian passport? Is this just all a coincidence that this is happening 3 weeks after we elected this guy?

If you are referring to Obama’s mysterious background, I believe that the topic is deemed to be off limits. Shame on you. Don’t you know who he is? Well, actually none of us do.

Syd B. on November 27, 2008 at 11:28 AM

So does anyone think the jihadi-dogs are scared of the twenty cops in your hometown? Better, could the twenty cops in your hometown handle a shooter team, or would a shooter team handle them? How long before our own National Guard or regular Army troops could arrive and secure your community?

Mumbai, India, you are in our prayers today.

Limerick on November 27, 2008 at 11:28 AM

Woops. Buggered that one up.

Syd B. on November 27, 2008 at 11:29 AM

The DC snipers shows what damage could be done just with a two man team with weapons.

William Amos on November 27, 2008 at 11:26 AM

Bingo.

BallisticBob on November 27, 2008 at 11:34 AM

This is kind of attack I’ve been expecting ever since 9/11. No more big ones like that, but lots of small, roving squad-sized bands of terrorists blowing stuff up and shooting people, taking hostages, demanding release of muslim prisoners, etc. They want this to happen every day, they wanna do it HERE … to us, until we convert, submit, or die.

That’s why I’m thankful EVERY DAY (not just today) for our troops. Because of them, this does not happen here.

Tony737 on November 27, 2008 at 11:35 AM

British foreign secretary confirms 1 British beath wo’nt speculate on the number of Brits wounded until they know more.

kanda on November 27, 2008 at 11:37 AM

sorry 1 British death

kanda on November 27, 2008 at 11:38 AM

kanda on November 27, 2008 at 11:37 AM

Last night on IBN a British diplomat in Mumbai said they had confirmed seven Brits in hospital but he had no details on others.

Limerick on November 27, 2008 at 11:39 AM

So does anyone think the jihadi-dogs are scared of the twenty cops in your hometown?

Which is exactly why Bushmaster is gaining so much business from me lately.

As for the captured terrorists, if the Indians subject them to naked pyramids or serve them chicken without the proper seasonings, I swear I’m going to call the ACLU.

Bishop on November 27, 2008 at 11:40 AM

Pakistan is where the anti-Western terrorists mix with the anti-Indian terrorists to create the hybrid that we see here.

RBMN on November 27, 2008 at 11:43 AM

We should all relax and wait a few days for the whitewashing.

BL@KBIRD on November 27, 2008 at 11:46 AM

The Taj is on fire again behind the main tower

kanda on November 27, 2008 at 11:49 AM

You know this terrorist attack was well planned out when their first step was to take out the Indian Jack Bauer.

BohicaTwentyTwo on November 27, 2008 at 11:49 AM

The Office of the President-Elect has already condemned these attacks by issuing the following statement: “Uhhhhhhhh.”

Bishop on November 27, 2008 at 11:50 AM

This is way too much organization and sacrifice for a “terror” attack with no real serious goal.

When the IRA did it (without suicide bombers) it was for Irish independence.

When the Palestinians do it, it’s against the Israeli oppressors.

But this? Al Quaeda? In retaliation for Afghanistan? Doesn’t make sense. India isn’t even part of that action (AFAIK). If you’re going to make a statement with THIS much organization, why not do it against the NATO troops in Afghanistan? Or in London?

Nah, I’m going to say a clandestine attack by Pakistan to disrupt India.

Skywise on November 27, 2008 at 11:51 AM

Part of India’s problem is that they still treat terrorism like a law enforcement problem, and I hear that their law enforcement structure is organized state by state–not nationally. They need to treat terrorism like a military problem, so the lines of authority are clearer and the communication is better.

RBMN on November 27, 2008 at 11:53 AM

from CNN
Indian PM Manmohan Singh suggests the group behind the Mumbai terrorist attacks that killed 125 people is based outside the country as police battle to release hostages.

kanda on November 27, 2008 at 11:53 AM

I’m amazed that it isn’t happening all the time.

It is. We’re just not allowed to hear it here in the US. That’s Rueters news policy.

BobMbx on November 27, 2008 at 11:54 AM

Pure Evil.

Firebird on November 27, 2008 at 11:56 AM

Our country surrendered in the War on Islamo-Fascism the day we elected a friend of Islamo-Fascism President of the United States: November 4, 2008.

Call me callous, but I just have no more stomach for fighting this War, when my fellow Americans elected a guy with the name Barack HUSSEIN Obama, who was born in Muslim-dominated northern Kenya, had a Muslim stepfather who signed him up for school as a “Muslim,” and made a very mysterious trip to Pakistan in 1982 on an Indonesian passport.

Not too mention his strong ties to the openly racist Louis Farakhan Black Islamic Militants in Chicago.

ericdondero on November 27, 2008 at 11:58 AM

CNN reported US state dept has no reports of American deaths. 3 American and 6 Canadian hostages known

kanda on November 27, 2008 at 12:01 PM

Part of India’s problem is that they still treat terrorism like a law enforcement problem
RBMN on November 27, 2008 at 11:53 AM

This is the the problem with most of the World … and the “anti-war left” here.

Letters of condemnation … let’s sit down and negotiate …if we could only catch Osama bin Laden ….compassionate interrogation. the RIGHT to a fair trial…

This IS a WAR …and if it is not treated as such, thousand will be slaughtered year after year after year.

My heart is breaking ….

Chimp 6 on November 27, 2008 at 12:08 PM

Good lord is the left really this clueless ? From Larry king last night

William Amos on November 27, 2008 at 11:20 AM

The Left are very clueless. I don’t appreciate such ignorance as the left has. Playing with my life, and rights. Makes me want to slap some sense in those worthless minds that they have. Empty egg shells. Then they have the nerve to call for peace. They are that stupid.

sheebe on November 27, 2008 at 12:09 PM

The Pakistan connection. It may not be the Pakistani government who set this up but rather elements inside it. Perhaps these elements think a war with India would promote the establishment of a jhadist government under them. Perhaps the purpose is also to make the land routes to the NATO armies in Afghanistan untenable and to end that war in Islam’s favor. Perhaps the purpose is to start the Holy War that will unite 1 billion believers against the unbelievers.
Things could get out of hand. This could be a 1914 moment.

dhimwit on November 27, 2008 at 12:09 PM

War is a ugly act! Spare no mercy. If some don’t get that, then that is tough! Innocents die in war. That is a fact!

sheebe on November 27, 2008 at 12:10 PM

ericdondero on November 27, 2008 at 11:58 AM

It’s rather clear Obama is of a Christian denomination

blatantblue on November 27, 2008 at 12:10 PM

ericdondero on November 27, 2008 at 11:58 AM

You are doing exactly what the terrorists hope for. You are giving up on the war on terror.

I can’t believe some people hate Obama like the left hated Bush for no good reason. I don’t know if it is immaturity or stupidity that causes people to feel that way. Obama has not even taken office yet and some already condemn everything he does or may do. It is so sad to think that some of the people on the right are just as radical as the left was .

If you can’t understand the USA and the rest of the world is in this fight for their very survival, I guess you might as well give up and wait for the outcome. Hopefully well defeat the terrorists without you.

kanda on November 27, 2008 at 12:11 PM

Look. I’m a Robert Specerian type on Islam. I think it is violent and virulent.

At the same time, I’m tired of the OBAMA IS A CLOSET MUSLIM~ !! accusations.

blatantblue on November 27, 2008 at 12:15 PM

Ugly, try this (may need to copy and paste)as another live feed option

http://www.foxnews.com/video2/live.html?chanId=5

Red State State of Mind on November 27, 2008 at 12:19 PM

I see that India banning my old blog hasn’t helped in reconciliation with fanatic islamic terrorists.

Huh, somehow I’m not surprised.

Editor on November 27, 2008 at 12:20 PM

blatantblue on November 27, 2008 at 12:15 PM

I’m with you on that. Obama is a Christian…maybe we questioned his choice of pastor but he is certainly not a muslim himself.

I read your blog today “Gratitude in the Shadow of Mumbai” It is truly inspirational. Thank you.

kanda on November 27, 2008 at 12:20 PM

I can’t believe some people hate Obama like the left hated Bush for no good reason. ………
If you can’t understand the USA and the rest of the world is in this fight for their very survival, I guess you might as well give up and wait for the outcome. Hopefully well defeat the terrorists without you.

kanda on November 27, 2008 at 12:11 PM

+ 1
and hopefully, this will wake up India and casue them to be more proactive to fight terrorism.

Red State State of Mind on November 27, 2008 at 12:22 PM

kanda on November 27, 2008 at 12:20 PM

Thanks for the kind words
happy thanksgiving

blatantblue on November 27, 2008 at 12:23 PM

The Pakistan connection. It may not be the Pakistani government who set this up but rather elements inside it.

Yah. I’m pretty sure it’s not the “official” government. It’s obvious there’s a strong minority (and Islamic) political group in Pakistan that would go for this.

But I stand by this as a main attack on India (with some western trappings for bonus points) rather than a statement on Western civilization.

Skywise on November 27, 2008 at 12:23 PM

If you can’t understand the USA and the rest of the world is in this fight for their very survival, I guess you might as well give up and wait for the outcome. Hopefully well defeat the terrorists without you.

kanda on November 27, 2008 at 12:11 PM

Well put kanda!

I didn’t vote for Nobama. That man is not honest at all. Who knows what the man is. His company that he keeps kind of says something. Guess we will see. Unfortunately, we are stuck with him. For now. After seeing many elections in my time. This was the biggest fraud election ever! Cheating, lying and stealing. Intimidation and more lies. We will see what happens. Until then, He does not represent me. And, blatantblue, we don’t know if he is a closet Muslim or not! Time will tell!

sheebe on November 27, 2008 at 12:24 PM

What do you call those invading by sea with the weapons of war and using them? Pirates.

When they are on land? Terrorists.

Is there a difference? No.

Same thing – people waging private war without any sanction.

ajacksonian on November 27, 2008 at 12:24 PM

It’s rather clear Obama is of a Christian denomination

blatantblue on November 27, 2008 at 12:10 PM

It’s not clear to me. Obama spent 20 years attending a “church” that preaches hatred — exactly what part of that do you consider to be “Christian”? I’ve never been one of those who accused Obama of being a “closet Muslim” but I also heard Obama’s spiritual mentor “Reverend” Jeremiah Wright say that “Christian” has a very different meaning to people like him and Obama than it does to the rest of us — and I think that may be one of the few true statements ever to have come out of that vile man’s mouth.

Back on topic: the victims of the Mumbai terror attacks are all in my prayers today. May God bless and protect them.

AZCoyote on November 27, 2008 at 12:25 PM

Let’s just hope Biden is sequestered right now. Indian-American topics are not his forte.

WaltDakota on November 27, 2008 at 12:26 PM

AZCoyote on November 27, 2008 at 12:25 PM

My point is, he is NOT A CLOSET MUSLIM!

We have too many people buying into that absolute BULLSHIITE, and it ruins our credibility.

blatantblue on November 27, 2008 at 12:26 PM

It’s not clear to me. Obama spent 20 years attending a “church” that preaches hatred — exactly what part of that do you consider to be “Christian”? I’ve never been one of those who accused Obama of being a “closet Muslim” but I also heard Obama’s spiritual mentor “Reverend” Jeremiah Wright say that “Christian” has a very different meaning to people like him and Obama than it does to the rest of us — and I think that may be one of the few true statements ever to have come out of that vile man’s mouth.AZCoyote on November 27, 2008 at 12:25 PM

The moonbats or sheep don’t get that part. They claim it is hate towards NObama. What a crock of crap. Wright is a radical. And The One doesn’t recall the hate spewed at his church? I cannot believe that he never heard such hate in that church.

sheebe on November 27, 2008 at 12:29 PM

My point is, he is NOT A CLOSET MUSLIM!

We have too many people buying into that absolute BULLSHIITE, and it ruins our credibility.

blatantblue on November 27, 2008 at 12:26 PM

Do you have proof? Sure you don’t have proof. I haven’t seen any proof. Don’t go on assumptions, and blindness. As I said, we will see.

sheebe on November 27, 2008 at 12:31 PM

I can’t believe some people hate Obama like the left hated Bush for no good reason

For no good reason? Obarfy spent a lot of his time learning from, and palling around with a guy who did exactly what those aholes in India are doing. Ayers group killed people and they had designs to kill quite a few more before their own ineptitude doomed their efforts.

Had that bomb of theirs not exploded prematurely, who knows how many would have been killed at Fort Dix. Odummy writes-off Ayers as some older guy who lived in his neighborhood, yet he was much more than that, and Obie has a connection with him that goes far beyond passing each other on the street.

Bishop on November 27, 2008 at 12:33 PM

What proof is their that he is a muslim…not counting the baseless accusations of course.

kanda on November 27, 2008 at 12:34 PM

Are we really facing 4 years cryptobama theories in threads on even the most serious events? Even non-American ones? They are already nothing but repetition.

exception on November 27, 2008 at 12:36 PM

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