Peggy Noonan: The media wants to make Palin the face of the GOP

posted at 12:43 pm on November 26, 2008 by Allahpundit

It’s true, isn’t it? Palinmania’s always had a perverse “strange bedfellows” dynamic insofar as the base is convinced she’s the savior of conservatism while the left’s convinced she’s the ruin of it. Hence their mutual interest in raising her profile. (For a stark illustration of the point, hold your nose and watch the “Thank You” parody at HuffPo’s humor site.) It’s no mystery which camp Noonan’s in; what is a mystery is the extent to which each side’s simply reacting and overreacting to the other, goading each other into ratcheting up the praise and vilification in an endless backlash cycle. Douthat names that as a key omission from my post about the difference between Palin and Huck, in fact: While Huckabee’s always been chummy with the national media, notwithstanding the occasional Rolling Stone piece calling him a lunatic, she’s been derided since day one. Since there are few better gauges of conservative authenticity among the grassroots than press treatment — just ask Maverick — Huck will forever trail her in the great bona fides sweepstakes.

Long story short, the left’s laying a bet that she’ll be easy pickings down the line and the right’s laying a bet that she’s here to save the day. And the pot just keeps getting bigger and bigger. How lucky do you feel? Click the image to watch.


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Look, here is my exercise in objectivity. If Obama had known Ayres as a passing acquaintance in Chicago I would have personally condemned the GOP and the media for taking isolated incidents and making a mountain of a molehill. But when you have the Annenburg Challenge and the blurb in Ayre’s book and Khalidi, Wright, Flager and Rezko that no longer can be considered isolated incidents. in respect to Sarah, even if I wasn’t a conservative, I would have to admit that Sarah’s interview with Couric was indeed an isolated incident and not representative how she speaks presently or does in one-on-one interviews. That the MSM takes this one interview and highlights it as an example of Sarah’s stupidity and incoherence is like saying Tom Brady is a stumblebum because he lost to the Giants the Super Bowl.

technopeasant on November 26, 2008 at 3:36 PM

ramrocks on November 26, 2008 at 3:32 PM

Joke’s on you, ramrocks. I know how it works – I have immediate family in politics. So, yeah, I get it. Thanks. And I said nothing negative about how Palin runs her state. If I thought something negative about how Palin runs her state, we would have bigger issues than semantics to go over before 2012.

And thanks for the commentary about small towns — where’d you learn about life in the country, CNN? The NYT? That was pretty impressive.

fiscallyconservative on November 26, 2008 at 3:38 PM

chunder, you make my point I think (you don’t write very well, so I’m not entirely sure). Each of those men were in fact true conservatives. Sounds like you’re not too sure what it means to be a real conservative. Palin is an authoritarian and a fundamentalist for sure, but she’s certainly not a conservative.

dakine on November 26, 2008 at 3:38 PM

sharrukin, not all conservatives belong to the dumbsh*t and/or fundamentalist wings of the movement.

dakine on November 26, 2008 at 3:35 PM

You are not a conservative at all. Period. Conservatism isn’t just about money.

sharrukin on November 26, 2008 at 3:39 PM

Unfortunately objectivity is a dying practice in the 21st century.

technopeasant on November 26, 2008 at 3:40 PM

Goldwater, Reagan, Buckley, et. al. are rolling over in their respective graves as the dumbsh*t and fundamentalist wings take over the movement they started. Sad and pathetic.

dakine on November 26, 2008 at 3:27 PM

Hmmm, conservatism won elections to strong minorities and respectable majorities from 1980 until 2006 where middle-of the-road to liberal Republicans lost elections right and left to our greatest single night loss in my lifetime.

Yep, bring on the intellectual elitists who think the rest of us hay-seeds are ruining the party. Yee-hawl, man are we ever going to kick their liberal asses in 2012 with this logic!!!

Reagan and Goldwater “were” fundamentalists in their beliefs.

hawkdriver on November 26, 2008 at 3:43 PM

i’m so sure. None of those great men was, after all, truly conservative. Oh, they were? You’ll just have to STFU then.

chunderroad on November 26, 2008 at 3:34 PM

Oh, pardon my grammar. I seem to have misplaced my Strunk and White’s ‘Elements of Style.’

Not one of those great men…

When did Sarah Palin bring Sharia Law to Wasilla? How is she “authoritarian?” Fundamentalist… hmmm.

To quote Inigo Montoya here, “You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.”

Ditto “conservative.”

You don’t even understand the movement itself or its history. It began with the founders, not with Reagan or Goldwater or Buckley.

chunderroad on November 26, 2008 at 3:46 PM

chunder, you make my point I think (you don’t write very well, so I’m not entirely sure). Each of those men were in fact true conservatives. Sounds like you’re not too sure what it means to be a real conservative. Palin is an authoritarian and a fundamentalist for sure, but she’s certainly not a conservative.

dakine on November 26, 2008 at 3:38 PM

Everyone, we can all learn from this one. Dakine (which, if I were back in Hawaii would mean he’d be being smoked there too) can show us all the way. Please, please teach us all to write better!

hawkdriver on November 26, 2008 at 3:49 PM

hawkdriver on November 26, 2008 at 3:49 PM

You know they’ve run out of points when they nitpick over spelling and grammar.

chunderroad on November 26, 2008 at 3:50 PM

The whole Palin debacle and the corresponding blind love affair with this lightweight twit from Alaska evidenced daily on this site and the rest of the right wing blogosphere has convinced me that the conservative movement in general and the Republican party by association are doomed to be minority institutions for the foreseeable future. Goldwater, Reagan, Buckley, et. al. are rolling over in their respective graves as the dumbsh*t and fundamentalist wings take over the movement they started. Sad and pathetic.

dakine on November 26, 2008 at 3:27 PM

I think Reagan might be a little perplexed by your perplexity considering that he was the one who invited those “dumbsh*t and fundamentalist wings” into the party in the first place. They were an integral ingredient in the plan Reagan laid out in the ’70s for rebuilding the GOP. It worked, and he had no problem with these people. You might recall that Reagan was the one who pounded away about the need for “prayer in school”. Such a notion sounds quaintly old fashioned now, doesn’t it? And it was Reagan who had the boorish audacity to call the Soviet Union an “Evil Empire”. And, oh, how they mocked him for that! You might also remember how they mocked his “Star Wars” idea. Funny how they did that now that we actually have a missile defense.

Interestingly enough, both Reagan and Palin are actually rather private people when it comes to their faith. Neither of them are regular church goers. Yes, you read that right. Palin is not a member of any church. Neither was Reagan. Palin doesn’t even attend services regularly. Neither did Reagan. Both they both were/are devout in their faith. They are Christian in the best sense of the word — they believe and live it, and speak about it comfortably, but they do not feel the need to thrust it on others.

If you study her record and his, you’d see that they both did not seek to impose social conservatism through government. In fact, Palin avoided all social issues in accordance with the libertarian bent of the Alaskan citizenry.

I write all of this thinking that you might be interested in the truth, but I think you’ve already made up your mind about her. I think she will end up surprising you and others like you. The Republicans who loathed Reagan and everything he stood for were all suddenly Reagnites after 1984 and beyond. Funny how that works. There’s a reason why Republicans invoke Reagan and not Rockefeller when they attempt to describe themselves.

ramrocks on November 26, 2008 at 3:54 PM

Reagan and Goldwater “were” fundamentalists in their beliefs.

hawkdriver on November 26, 2008 at 3:43 PM

Bingo! I think the man who famously said that “extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice” was kind of, you know, “extreme” about things.

Amazing — absolutely amazing — how quickly people forget their history.

ramrocks on November 26, 2008 at 4:02 PM

Bottom line folks; I get sent seminar e-mails from most all of the liberal sites. Current game plan is to destroy Palin. They’re scared of her. So much so that Martha “Cell Block Three” Stewart and Keith Olbermann even staged an “impromptu” conversation on her show about what the Republican party can do to regroup as an auvenue into Keith’s current rant and pants-peeing dissertation about the horror of turkey butchering.

hawkdriver on November 26, 2008 at 4:03 PM

Bottom line folks; I get sent seminar e-mails from most all of the liberal sites. Current game plan is to destroy Palin. They’re scared of her.
hawkdriver on November 26, 2008 at 4:03 PM

And weak fair weather conservatives are playing right into their hands.

ramrocks on November 26, 2008 at 4:08 PM

The whole Palin Howard Dean debacle and the corresponding blind love affair with this lightweight twit from Alaska Vermont evidenced daily on this site and the rest of the right left wing blogosphere has convinced me that the conservative progressive movement in general and the Republican Democratic party by association are doomed to be minority institutions for the foreseeable future. Goldwater FDR, Reagan JFK, Buckley LBJ, et. al. are rolling over in their respective graves as the dumbsh*t and fundamentalist anti-war wings take over the movement they started. Sad and pathetic.

dakine on November 26, 2008 at 3:27 PM

Rolled back in time to 2004. See how ridiculous and pessimistic you sound?

Jim62sch on November 26, 2008 at 4:09 PM

You know they’ve run out of points when they nitpick over spelling and grammar.

chunderroad on November 26, 2008 at 3:50 PM

And if Dakines comment had an accent it would have sounded like Thurston J. Howell, III. And you can only type out a snooty comment like that staring straight down your nose at teh screen.

PS, I accidentally spell “the” like that all the time and grow weary of fixing it. So, Dakine, my man, ignore my unintelligible posts.

hawkdriver on November 26, 2008 at 4:10 PM

Palin is an authoritarian and a fundamentalist for sure, but she’s certainly not a conservative.

That is a factually incorrect statement that only somebody who knows nothing more about Palin than what they see on SNL and MSNBC

we are all now dumber for having read it

joey24007 on November 26, 2008 at 4:13 PM

I think the man who famously said that “extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice” was kind of, you know, “extreme” about things.

Amazing — absolutely amazing — how quickly people forget their history.

ramrocks on November 26, 2008 at 4:02 PM

And weak fair weather conservatives are playing right into their hands.

ramrocks on November 26, 2008 at 4:08 PM

Yep

hawkdriver on November 26, 2008 at 4:14 PM

(you don’t write very well, so I’m not entirely sure)

dakine on November 26, 2008 at 3:38 PM

Here is one to take to english class…
me thinks it would have been best to leave that comment out…I don’t think that sentence is written very well…

right2bright on November 26, 2008 at 4:17 PM

LOL, MSNBC irony.

hawkdriver on November 26, 2008 at 4:18 PM

look at the level of hatred for Palin by the trolls … they do indeed fear her

they are now to the point of claiming they are conservatives

they are now to the point that they make fun of her accent

desperation hangs thick in the air

joey24007 on November 26, 2008 at 4:21 PM

ramrocks on November 26, 2008 at 3:54 PM

excellent post…or as some one else would post…it is written very well…

right2bright on November 26, 2008 at 4:21 PM

I hate that Palin tries to align herself with “normal” Americans by using folkey language (”you betcha!”) and by talking about how down-home we all are. It only feeds the fire of liberals who believe that Republicans have are merely uneducated country-dwellers who only vote against the way we do because we hate gay people. It makes them think we’re old-fashioned and that we’ll eventually get used to the idea of liberal America after they’ve forced it upon us.

The Republican party needs someone who is well-read, intelligent, and an effective communicator. We need to show America that Republicans are equal sparring partners, not some pathetic JV squad that the liberals get to pick on.

fiscallyconservative on November 26, 2008 at 2:27 PM

My collie says:

**sniff** **sniff** I smell someone trying to overcompensate for their own flaws/inadequacies.

Yes — and I grow SO weary of this tired old argument. It completely ignores historical fact. Abe Lincoln, Teddy Roosevelt, and Harry Truman were among our BEST presidents, and yet they ALL got into office accidentally — and they were ALL derided as backwoods hicks that weren’t up to D.C. standards. Some people will never understand that God frequently uses “ordinary” people to do extraordinary things. It the whole humility thing. They just don’t get it.

On the other hand, I guess there’s nothing like a few bigoted “intellectuals” to liven up a thread. It seems that HotAir has always had its share of elitist snobs participating. I’m not sure why they hang out at HotAir though, when it’s clear that Parker, Noonan, Brooks, and the other CINOs desperately NEED them to post comments praising their cyberspace spew (in order to maintain their claim on relevance).

CyberCipher on November 26, 2008 at 4:21 PM

LOL, MSNBC irony.

hawkdriver on November 26, 2008 at 4:18 PM

And just that quickly, it’s gone. These guys censor quickly.

It was Jamie Oliver (NBC Cooking show) butchering a chicken.

Plus…plus…

Dear Leader gave away DEAD CHICKENS in Chicago today. Oh the horror, the horror!

hawkdriver on November 26, 2008 at 4:24 PM

joey, your handle links to a Palin groupie/stalker site. C’mon brah, how am I supposted to take anything you have to say about her seriously? The Dems love the idea of Palin being the face of the Republican party. They absolutely love it. They don’t fear her in the least. This is the problem. Guys like you are going to carry the day at the RNC and Palin or somebody like her is going to be trotted out in 2012 and 2016 and will get waxed.

dakine on November 26, 2008 at 4:26 PM

joey, your handle links to a Palin groupie/stalker site. C’mon brah, how am I supposted to take anything you have to say about her seriously? The Dems love the idea of Palin being the face of the Republican party. They absolutely love it. They don’t fear her in the least. This is the problem. Guys like you are going to carry the day at the RNC and Palin or somebody like her is going to be trotted out in 2012 and 2016 and will get waxed.

dakine on November 26, 2008 at 4:26 PM

I smell someone from Overseas.

upinak on November 26, 2008 at 4:27 PM

Palin has not only scared the liberals and dems…she scares the “RINO” elite. This herd of RINO’s see their extinction. They are so afraid they are evoking the “Liberals want her” card, to scare us away. And if the liberal MSM want her, then we just have to be against her.
Never thinking, that her popularity has nothing to do with someone manipulating (since that is all they know)behind the scenes, but she actually touches the lives of people…for whatever reason, she just does.

right2bright on November 26, 2008 at 4:28 PM

dakine on November 26, 2008 at 4:26 PM

If nobody fears her … why do you keep posting?

joey24007 on November 26, 2008 at 4:29 PM

CyberCipher on November 26, 2008 at 4:21 PM

EXACTLY!!!

Remember the good old days when the Republican Party was the rich old white guys who were out of touch with the down-trodden? Now the rich old white guys are liberals best friends and the Republican party is hay-seeds who are too stupit to vote an intelligent ballot.

Ooooh…ra…tha!

hawkdriver on November 26, 2008 at 4:29 PM

So far, Palin is the best face on the GOP.

No, Palin is the best face of conservatism!

The GOP is a damaged brand.

gdonovan on November 26, 2008 at 4:30 PM

The Dems love the idea of Palin being the face of the Republican party. They absolutely love it.
dakine on November 26, 2008 at 4:26 PM

Right out of the left playbook…tell everyone the left loves her, and the right will hate her.
You look so foolish posting this talking point…it is exactly what the liberals want to say, and you are either too stupid to realize it, or you are liberal troll trying desperately to convince us Palin isn’t popular.
Pathetic…

right2bright on November 26, 2008 at 4:30 PM

joey, I fear her because I’m a conservative and want a Republican elected in 2012. I’ve been a McCain guy (a true Goldwater/Reagan conservative BTW) since the 2000 election. I knew it would be tough in the current environment for him to beat Obama (or any other credible Dem for that matter), but as soon as he caved to the social cons and selected Palin as his running mate I knew it was all over but the crying.

dakine on November 26, 2008 at 4:33 PM

I hate that Palin tries to align herself with “normal” Americans by using folkey language (”you betcha!”) and by talking about how down-home we all are.
The Republican party needs someone who is well-read, intelligent, and an effective communicator. We need to show America that Republicans are equal sparring partners, not some pathetic JV squad that the liberals get to pick on.

fiscallyconservative on November 26, 2008 at 2:27 PM

Yeah, no one ever liked people like Mark Twain,Will Rogers, Ronald Reagan, those folksy kind of guys…let alone that drunkard Churchill and his boorish behavior….no we need someone intellectual…like, like, Lincoln…no, just a plain talking guy, ummm how about Teddy, no, just a rough old guy, well then we need a well schooled, educated, man like…Jimmy Carter.

right2bright on November 26, 2008 at 4:35 PM

dakine on November 26, 2008 at 4:33 PM

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

True Goldwater/Reagan conservatives oppose massive supply side tax cuts now?

Reagan and Goldwater would have supported punishing the American economy in order to play along with the “world community” in the fight against “global warming?”

LMAO … you are not the sharpest tool in the shed

joey24007 on November 26, 2008 at 4:36 PM

joey, your handle links to a Palin groupie/stalker site. C’mon brah, how am I supposted to take anything you have to say about her seriously? The Dems love the idea of Palin being the face of the Republican party. They absolutely love it. They don’t fear her in the least. This is the problem. Guys like you are going to carry the day at the RNC and Palin or somebody like her is going to be trotted out in 2012 and 2016 and will get waxed.
dakine on November 26, 2008 at 4:26 PM

Damn, after saying we didn’t write very well here this post of yours was a little ironic. As well as I could understand what you were trying to say, I tried to fix the grammar and spelling for you.

Joey, your handle links to a Palin groupie and stalker site. Come on brother! How am I supposed to take anything you have to say about her seriously? The Democrats love the idea of Palin being the face of the Republican party. They absolutely love it. They don’t fear her in the least. This is the problem. Guys like you are going to rue the day at the RNC when Palin or somebody like her is trotted out in 2012 and 2016. You will probably get waxed.

So no more, I enjoyed doing it for you.

snort…

hawkdriver on November 26, 2008 at 4:37 PM

dakine on November 26, 2008 at 4:33 PM

You couldn’t hit sand if you fell off a camel

joey24007 on November 26, 2008 at 4:37 PM

right, I’ll ignore your childish insults for the time being. You are absolutely right. Palin is VERY popular among a very active and vocal wing of the conservative movement (and by extension obviously, the Republican party). However, she is almost equally as unpopular with the rest of the electorate. She is unelectable to national office IMHO. The Dems are not just trotting out some talking point on Palin. She’s the gift that keeps giving for them. Get your head out of the sand.

dakine on November 26, 2008 at 4:38 PM

dakine on November 26, 2008 at 4:33 PM

Seminar notes.

hawkdriver on November 26, 2008 at 4:38 PM

dakine on November 26, 2008 at 4:33 PM

Man, I don’t know, you seem so sincere…then you buy into the liberal talking points.
I am going to have to lean towards the belief that you are a liberal troll.
You know Palin brought in record people to her events, you know she carried the campaign the last two weeks…yet you say she doesn’t speak for us…man you just gotta be a liberal.

right2bright on November 26, 2008 at 4:39 PM

However, she is almost equally as unpopular with the rest of the electorate. She is unelectable to national office IMHO

Like Ronald Reagan in 1976

we need Gerald Ford!!!!

and more McCains!

Specter-McCain 2012!

joey24007 on November 26, 2008 at 4:41 PM

She is unelectable to national office IMHO

I do not agree- People at work were thrilled when she was chosen as VP.

Woman.

gdonovan on November 26, 2008 at 4:41 PM

hawk, keep the day job…you’re not that funny. A jackass and a tool for sure, but funny? Not really.

dakine on November 26, 2008 at 4:41 PM

I smell someone from Overseas.

upinak on November 26, 2008 at 4:27 PM

I would have said Toledo, OH or Lake Forest, IL, and I bet he doesn’t pull his pants up all the way.

chunderroad on November 26, 2008 at 4:41 PM

Some people will never understand that God frequently uses “ordinary” people to do extraordinary things. It the whole humility thing. They just don’t get it.

CyberCipher on November 26, 2008 at 4:21 PM

Surprising too when you consider how many people lined up to see Peter Jackson’s film adaptation of J.R.R. Tolkien’s “Lord of the Rings”. They apparently didn’t get that one of the major themes of that book was the the small ad simple and humble and ordinary folks (i.e., hobbits) are the truly heroic figures who save the day.

And it’s odd when you consider how beloved that old Capra film “Mr. Smith Goes to Washington” is. (It’s one of Palin’s favorites, btw). Wasn’t that movie all about the ordinary honest citizen coming to Washington?

Weird, we carve these values and lofting intentions in stone and enshrine them in our myths and folklore, and yet we never want to be confronted by them in the flesh and blood. We say that we want honest citizen politicians who will govern with “a servant’s heart” and yet we don’t want them when they show up and talk just like we do and have degrees from the sorts of state schools that we went to and have the same sort of family ups and downs as we do (replete with siblings who had messy divorces and ex brothers or sisters-in-laws who went nuts after the divorce and teenagers who got pregnant and “surprise” unplanned pregnancies at 44 and kids with special needs or learning problems). We’re like kids who cry on Santa’s lap after he promised us everything we wanted for Christmas.

ramrocks on November 26, 2008 at 4:42 PM

She is unelectable to national office IMHO

gdonovan on November 26, 2008 at 4:41 PM

The humility is entirely lacking from that statement, and methinks the writer doth protest too much.

chunderroad on November 26, 2008 at 4:43 PM

joey, I fear her because I’m a conservative and want a Republican elected in 2012. I’ve been a McCain guy (a true Goldwater/Reagan conservative BTW) since the 2000 election. I knew it would be tough in the current environment for him to beat Obama (or any other credible Dem for that matter), but as soon as he caved to the social cons and selected Palin as his running mate I knew it was all over but the crying.

dakine on November 26, 2008 at 4:33 PM

You are seriously deluded. Reagan and Goldwater were were social conservatives. Which means either you have no idea what you are talking about, or are a Kos troll.

sharrukin on November 26, 2008 at 4:44 PM

right, she speaks for a certain type of conservative, you being one of them I guess. Presidential elections are largely determined by independents and moderates, and Palin does not move this segment of the electorate.

dakine on November 26, 2008 at 4:45 PM

In a sane society, Noonan would be preaching on a street corner, soap box optional on Sundays but since the media is in control of this country, sanity is pretty much out of the question.

Speakup on November 26, 2008 at 4:45 PM

dakine on November 26, 2008 at 4:41 PM

It’s never funny when you’re the one that provides the ammo for the ribbing. Don’t you think it’s ironic that you said you couldn’t understand someone’s post and said they didn’t write very well and then post a sophomoric comment like you did?

COME ON!!! That’s comedy gold.

Can I get a witness?

hawkdriver on November 26, 2008 at 4:45 PM

She is unelectable to national office IMHO

gdonovan on November 26, 2008 at 4:41 PM

Well that settles it…

right2bright on November 26, 2008 at 4:45 PM

I smell someone from Overseas.

upinak on November 26, 2008 at 4:27 PM
I would have said Toledo, OH or Lake Forest, IL, and I bet he doesn’t pull his pants up all the way.

chunderroad on November 26, 2008 at 4:41 PM

Oahu or Maui!

hawkdriver on November 26, 2008 at 4:46 PM

COME ON!!! That’s comedy gold.

Can I get a witness?

hawkdriver on November 26, 2008 at 4:45 PM

Like a sitcom…I think you wrote it very well…

right2bright on November 26, 2008 at 4:46 PM

right, she speaks for a certain type of conservative, you being one of them I guess. Presidential elections are largely determined by independents and moderates, and Palin does not move this segment of the electorate.

dakine on November 26, 2008 at 4:45 PM

I guess you didn’t see the last election with a centrist top-o-the-ticket. When did being a centrist ever win a Republican the Presidency? When?

hawkdriver on November 26, 2008 at 4:49 PM

sharrukin, read Goldwater’s books and then get back to me. He was more libertarian on social issues than conservative and had serious misgivings about the Christian right. Reagan played ball with the Moral Majority, etc. to get elected and then largely ignored social issues during his Presidency. Conservatism is largely about freedom, including freedom from the injection of religious dogma into public policy.

dakine on November 26, 2008 at 4:49 PM

dakine on November 26, 2008 at 4:45 PM

LMAO …

So let me get this straight … these independents and moderates, they are important right?

Palin can’t attract them right?

So in 2004 they vote for Bush, pretty reliable social conservative, a hawk on foreign policy and up to that point a supply side economic thinker who pushed through massive tax cuts

and then

4 years later, these same independents and moderates vote for Barry Obama, the most liberal member of the Senate (to the left of Bernie Sanders), wants to “spread the wealth, weak on defense issues, wants to cut defense spending, believes in “green” works and all that jazz

now tell me about the political ideology of the “independent and moderates”

joey24007 on November 26, 2008 at 4:50 PM

ramrocks on November 26, 2008 at 4:42 PM

Please forgive my typos in that post. I’m writing from a cramped “foreign” laptop and apparently typing too quickly.

ramrocks on November 26, 2008 at 4:50 PM

Ewa Beach hawk. Stationed in the islands back in the day.

dakine on November 26, 2008 at 4:51 PM

Reagan played ball with the Moral Majority, etc. to get elected and then largely ignored social issues during his Presidency. Conservatism is largely about freedom, including freedom from the injection of religious dogma into public policy.

dakine on November 26, 2008 at 4:49 PM

and ONCE AGAIN … show me where Palin ever pushed her religious beliefs …..

and Reagan did what you do as a social conservative … you appoint judges that reflect your views DUH

you don’t just sign executive orders that impose social conservatism on the American people

you sure are dense

joey24007 on November 26, 2008 at 4:52 PM

dakine on November 26, 2008 at 4:49 PM

OMG! Is this because she is NOT a libertarian?

LMFAO HAHAHAHHAHHAAAAAA! Why don’t you talk to your buddy Eric and get back to US concerning Libertarianism’s and tell me why you all can’t “unite” in your little Effed up party!

upinak on November 26, 2008 at 4:52 PM

ramrocks on November 26, 2008 at 4:42 PM

Beautifully said. Or should I say, well written? :)

pannw on November 26, 2008 at 4:53 PM

dakine on November 26, 2008 at 4:38 PM

Why is this guy pushing the anti-Palin so hard? If you think she’s no threat and the “liberals” (ahem) agree, then why not just argue her qualifications, besides her “dumsh1tness” and “fundamentalism” and her accent, and either ignore the Palin conservatives or produce a better candidate. It seems a tall order from the bitch-and-moan moderates who gave us Romney, Giuliani, Huckabee and finally loser McCain.

The tent is big enough for all these people. Romney gave a boring speech at the convention, and his people defected to Obama in the GE, because all they care about is image and power, but he represents one of the three legs. Giuliani is great for the national security hawks, but he couldn’t grab the whole party or country. Huckabee is still embarrassing. Fred Thompson is a great leader for the social cons. They all bring their strengths to the primary season and help to consolidate the base in the end, if they’re doing their job.

The problem is there have been too many big egos. Romney spent a fortune and lost. He has been absent from the post- election recovery period, except he flip-flopped on the MI bailouts already. Huckabee has been characteristically mean and petty. Fred and Jeri Thompson and Giuliani have been a great help. This separates the leaders from the prima donnas of the GOP. All Romney and Huckabee fans here attacking Gov. Palin, because she is popular need to hang it up.

chunderroad on November 26, 2008 at 4:56 PM

Bush barely won against one of the weakest candidates the Dems have ever put up. Economy was in pretty good shape and Bush was riding the last part of the war President wave. Moderates and independents who voted for him likely did so reluctantly and in spite of his social conservative stripes not because of them. BTW, Obama is already showing his centrist/pragmatic colors and may end up governing to the right of Clinton. The progressives are going to be sorely disappointed (thankfully). He’s not an ideologue.

dakine on November 26, 2008 at 4:56 PM

sharrukin, read Goldwater’s books and then get back to me. He was more libertarian on social issues than conservative and had serious misgivings about the Christian right. Reagan played ball with the Moral Majority, etc. to get elected and then largely ignored social issues during his Presidency. Conservatism is largely about freedom, including freedom from the injection of religious dogma into public policy.

dakine on November 26, 2008 at 4:49 PM

I was there when Reagan entered office fool. He was hated by the country club Republicans, so try selling that steaming pile somewhere else! Reagan was derided as a cowboy, stupid, warmonger, uneducated, two-bit actor, phony, ‘The Teflon President’, deranged, mad-dog, scary, and on and on.

He was a social conservative and proudly so. He didn’t apologize for it or excuse it. that’s why they hated him and were fine with Herbert.

sharrukin on November 26, 2008 at 4:57 PM

Enough of this BS from these stupid idiots who don’t know who sarah palin is… Enough…. just shut up….

She gets killed up in Alaska for not being conservative enough.. She gets killed for not pushing social agendas in the state.

When we get down to the lower 48, She’s Sarah the extreme right winger who can’t appeal to the center.

This is beyond stupid..

An Era of Hate on November 26, 2008 at 4:57 PM

Can I get a witness?

hawkdriver on November 26, 2008 at 4:45 PM

Holla

chunderroad on November 26, 2008 at 4:57 PM

He’s not an ideologue.

dakine on November 26, 2008 at 4:56 PM

No, he’s a whore.

chunderroad on November 26, 2008 at 4:58 PM

ramrocks on November 26, 2008 at 4:42 PM

Exactly. Yet another reason that “intellectuals” want the Gospel to be relegated to the dustbin of mythology.

My collie says:

If you check out the genealogy of Jesus of Nazerath in earnest, you will discover that Jesus Christ, the only Son of God, came from a long line of whores — with His virgin mother Mary, being the exception, rather than the rule.

That, more than anything, tells me what God thinks of elitist intellectuals/snobs.

My collie says:

Don’t forget that Jesus referred to the “learned” elite people of His day as “white-washed sepulchers” and “a brood of vipers.”

I suspect that ANY man would be well served if he did NOT count himself as “one of them”.

CyberCipher on November 26, 2008 at 4:59 PM

right, she speaks for a certain type of conservative, you being one of them I guess. Presidential elections are largely determined by independents and moderates, and Palin does not move this segment of the electorate.

dakine on November 26, 2008 at 4:45 PM

Riiigght. And all those women from the Los Angeles chapter of NOW who supported Palin are “conservative”.

You might want to remember that Palin was not the top of the ticket. She was the vp candidate. McCain was the presidential candidate. McCain was dramatically trailing in the polls until he nominated Palin. His poll numbers only fell after the financial meltdown and his crazy notion to “suspend his campaign”. McCain gave three lousy debate performances. To blame their loss on Palin is a joke. I would have loved to see her debate Obama three times! She would have made him cry the same way she made Biden cry by the end of his debate.

I find your claim hilarious in light of her broad non-partisan base in Alaska. You don’t get 80-90% approval ratings by being a strict partisan.

ramrocks on November 26, 2008 at 4:59 PM

I like Palin but I think her image damage is too severe for her to be a viable national candidate — at least looking at her today.

Outlander on November 26, 2008 at 1:09 PM

I don’t think so. I’ll bet she could still outdraw Obama. It’s for sure she gets better ratings.

ddrintn on November 26, 2008 at 5:00 PM

You are seriously deluded. Reagan and Goldwater were were social conservatives. Which means either you have no idea what you are talking about, or are a Kos troll.

sharrukin on November 26, 2008 at 4:44 PM

I hate to do this, because I am on your side, but Reagan and AUH2O leaned toward social middle.
Not for all bad, thier is some good in the middle…sometimes you have to raise taxes, and he did (after Carter disseminated the military), he supported dissidents from Andrei Sakarov to Vaclav Havel who testified to the power of his support, he expanded social security. At the same time he took on the unions and kicked their butt…so he chose his areas, never really pursued the abolition of abortion, and made some concessions…even greeting and praising Gorbachev eventually.
Goldwater supported gay rights (this was the 60′s) and abortion, among others items…didn’t like evangelicals, but could care less about the environment, wanted social security to be voluntary and hated the union.

right2bright on November 26, 2008 at 5:00 PM

He’s a politician chunder.

dakine on November 26, 2008 at 5:00 PM

Ewa Beach hawk. Stationed in the islands back in the day.

dakine on November 26, 2008 at 4:51 PM

LOL, no way, I lived in Ewa Beach (and Iroquois Point with a family for a couple weeks waiting for the apartment in Ewa). But I lived the longest amount of time in Makakilo working at Barbers Point. Okay, truce because we’re almost kamaainas. I don’t much agree, but truce.

“Lele Makau No Na Pauli”

hawkdriver on November 26, 2008 at 5:00 PM

The progressives are going to be sorely disappointed (thankfully). He’s not an ideologue.

dakine on November 26, 2008 at 4:56 PM

And there goes Obama’s base.

ddrintn on November 26, 2008 at 5:01 PM

PS: I gave Romney too much credit for being a fis-con, since his record as Gov. of Taxachusetts and the way he managed his campaign, even the way he scalped employees when he consulted for failing businesses, says otherwise.

chunderroad on November 26, 2008 at 5:01 PM

ram, she’s popular in Alaska because the oil business has been very, very good to Alaskans recently. I’m guessing your approval ratings would be 80% if you were the gov.

dakine on November 26, 2008 at 5:03 PM

You are seriously deluded. Reagan and Goldwater were were social conservatives. Which means either you have no idea what you are talking about, or are a Kos troll.

sharrukin on November 26, 2008 at 4:44 PM

I hate to do this, because I am on your side, but Reagan and AUH2O leaned toward social middle.
Not for all bad, thier is some good in the middle…sometimes you have to raise taxes, and he did (after Carter disseminated the military), he supported dissidents from Andrei Sakarov to Vaclav Havel who testified to the power of his support, he expanded social security. At the same time he took on the unions and kicked their butt…so he chose his areas, never really pursued the abolition of abortion, and made some concessions…even greeting and praising Gorbachev eventually.
Goldwater supported gay rights (this was the 60’s) and abortion, among others items…didn’t like evangelicals, but could care less about the environment, wanted social security to be voluntary and hated the union.

right2bright on November 26, 2008 at 5:00 PM

I’d also add that Sarah Palin isn’t quite the flaming conservative a lot of people seem to think she is. I think she has strong libertarian and populist streaks.

ddrintn on November 26, 2008 at 5:03 PM

Moderates and independents who voted for him likely

dakine on November 26, 2008 at 4:56 PM

So they voted for Bush then … thanks for telling us that

so they go from Bush, the conservative to Obama the left-winger

nice group of people, I’m glad they are committed to their beliefs

joey24007 on November 26, 2008 at 5:04 PM

ram, she’s popular in Alaska because the oil business has been very, very good to Alaskans recently. I’m guessing your approval ratings would be 80% if you were the gov.

dakine on November 26, 2008 at 5:03 PM

Nah, it’s more than that. It’s “connection”.

ddrintn on November 26, 2008 at 5:04 PM

Yeah, I agree. The only way that you can make Palin look stupid is via careful cherrypicking of questions and editing of the interviews, along with the accompanying editorial framing and spin.

Sarah comes across as smart and motivated when you look at unedited interview footage or read unedited transcripts. Even then, with the transcripts, they transcribe everything she says to make her look like a rube (”gonna”, “wanna”, dropped g’s, etc.)

Jim62sch on November 26, 2008 at 2:25 PM

I’ve watched tapes of Sarah Palin’s debates as a candidate for Governor of Alaska, and she came across as extremely knowledgeable on the issues, which she was, because she had followed these issues for many years as council member and Mayor of Wasilla, and member of the Oil and Gas Board.

When she was thrown into the Vice Presidential race with 9 weeks’ notice, she had very little time to prepare herself for the hostility of the MSM, which was “in the tank” for Obama and out to torpedo her. She came out with a great speech at the RNC, where she said she was not seeking the approval of the elite media.

Well, that got the elite media PO’d at her, so what does McCain do? Arranges for Palin to do one-on-one interviews with Charlie Gibson and Katie Couric, where they get to ask her trap questions and edit her answers at will. First question from Gibson: Is it “hubris” for her to run for Vice President? No one asked Obama that question, even though he has less experience than Palin does! Then they did a hatchet job with the editing, where they showed Gibson asking a question, followed by Palin answering a subsequent question, making it seem like Palin didn’t hear the question or dodged it, and Palin’s best answers (from transcripts) were edited out.

This was a major fumble by McCain and/or his campaign, not Palin. McCain has been around long enough to know that the MSM will systematically try to destroy ALL Republicans. If 50 or 100 dirt-diggers at ABC or CBS work full-time to feed Charlie Gibson or Katie Couric trick questions, they could make ANY candidate look stupid, except those who have been around for decades and have heard every question.

McCain should have insisted that all interviews with Palin be LIVE, with NO EDITING, or else that Palin be paired up with a Democrat on LIVE debate shows, where both candidates have to answer the same questions. That way, Palin wouldn’t have to match wits alone with a reporter and hundreds of researchers out to stump and destroy her, but with a Democrat who might be more embarrassed by the questions than Palin.

It’s not clear yet whether Palin is our best candidate for 2012, but she is ONE of them. The best candidate depends on the issues facing the electorate at the time. In August, when people were reeling from $4/gallon gasoline, Palin’s expertise on energy matters struck a nerve with the electorate. By October, when banks were failing, a hapless Bush was blaming Wall Street, and Obama was blaming Bush, McCain was not pinning the blame where it belonged, and Palin was a non-factor.

Sarah Palin needs to go back to Alaska and be a competent Governor, gaining experience and expertise, while using her new-found fame to get on talk shows (from Alaska if necessary), where she can express her opinions on national policy issues, where she can criticize Obama’s policies instead of trying to defend Bush’s policies or distance herself from them. Given enough time, she’ll learn how to handle the media to her advantage, as she did in Alaska (and she did well in the debate against Biden) and could eventually win over centrist voters.

Is she our best hope for 2012? That depends on the opposition (most likely Obama campaigning for re-election), what the issues are then, and what mistakes Obama has made. But since we don’t yet know what mistakes Obama WILL make, and he changes his positions daily, we need to defer judgment.

Steve Z on November 26, 2008 at 5:04 PM

He’s a politician chunder.

dakine on November 26, 2008 at 5:00 PM

It has been said that politics is the second oldest profession. I have learned that it bears a striking resemblance to the first.
Ronald Reagan

Yet, no one froze to death on Reagan’s watch.

chunderroad on November 26, 2008 at 5:05 PM

ram, she’s popular in Alaska because the oil business has been very, very good to Alaskans recently. I’m guessing your approval ratings would be 80% if you were the gov.

dakine on November 26, 2008 at 5:03 PM

what a moronic statement

So … how does she beat the incumbent GOP governor and the popular ex-governor?

Did she run on the platform that the oil business will be good when she becomes governor ?

joey24007 on November 26, 2008 at 5:06 PM

for the two d-tards posting. One the Liberal the other the Libertarian.

You two must not watch the news or research much. The Oil and Gas companies HATE Sarah. Check it out… why not research it. Then get back when you supposedly know what is going on in Alaska. HAHHAHA!

upinak on November 26, 2008 at 5:09 PM

ram, she’s popular in Alaska because the oil business has been very, very good to Alaskans recently. I’m guessing your approval ratings would be 80% if you were the gov.

dakine on November 26, 2008 at 5:03 PM

Her Democratic detractors in Alaska have complained that the dividend checks she sent to every man, woman and child would have been better spent on increased entitlement programs and the unions. Instead, Palin revved up the economy and still put money away for the inevitable falling oil prices. She also drastically cut back earmark spending.

chunderroad on November 26, 2008 at 5:09 PM

I’d also add that Sarah Palin isn’t quite the flaming conservative a lot of people seem to think she is. I think she has strong libertarian and populist streaks.

ddrintn on November 26, 2008 at 5:03 PM

I still need (although I am a fan) some more information regarding the border, taxes, etc.
She has time, and I am willing to wait, to develop those ideas and platforms.
It takes time to develop these platforms, unless you just use what is given to you.

right2bright on November 26, 2008 at 5:09 PM

Here’s what’s fascinating: so many people who dismiss her as an idiotic lightweight just can’t seem to get her out of their heads. Tell you something?

ddrintn on November 26, 2008 at 5:09 PM

You two must not watch the news or research much. The Oil and Gas companies HATE Sarah. Check it out… why not research it. Then get back when you supposedly know what is going on in Alaska. HAHHAHA!

upinak on November 26, 2008 at 5:09 PM

We have a winner …

The former governors caved to them … she doesn’t

she believes in capitalism, not crony capitalism

which is what got us into the current economic crisis

joey24007 on November 26, 2008 at 5:10 PM

So far the chinks in Palin’s armor is so minor, that the liberals are worried…hence the talking points are to take down Palin…and obviously several on this site has bought into them.

right2bright on November 26, 2008 at 5:12 PM

Her Democratic detractors in Alaska have complained that the dividend checks she sent to every man, woman and child would have been better spent on increased entitlement programs and the unions. Instead, Palin revved up the economy and still put money away for the inevitable falling oil prices. She also drastically cut back earmark spending.

chunderroad on November 26, 2008 at 5:09 PM

Hey Now!

nice post … she knew that the oil prices would eventually fall and she prevented the state legislature from going on spending sprees … now at least she has room to work with as the oil prices fall

Its amazing how people can be so ignorant of a politician and still make comments on them

joey24007 on November 26, 2008 at 5:12 PM

Roger that hawk.

joey, at least try being just a little bit clever with the ad hominems…pretty unoriginal stuff. You’re clearly a huge Palin fan. T-shirts, posters above your bed, autographed pictures, I’m sure you have it all. She ran as an aw shucks populist on a “reform” platform and won. Well done. She’s popular because folks in Alaska are doing very well economically. Her timing was good, nothing more. She’s a celebrity and has managed to generate a pretty decent Q rating among a certain segment of the populace. Write some books, get a talk show, etc., but stay out of national politics. She’s not a serious person.

dakine on November 26, 2008 at 5:13 PM

Palin already played this game. Murkowski played ritual hari kari. The Dems lobbied to get someone they thought would be easy to defeat. Sarah Palin was supposed to be the Alan Keyes to Murkowski’s Barack Obama. She killed him in the debates. It was a landslide victory for her, though they thought they could sell her as a bible-thumping dumb breeder. I think she has a shot at 2012 given her track record. She’s as shrewd a politician as Obama.

chunderroad on November 26, 2008 at 5:14 PM

I’m sorry, but that “Thank you, Sarah Palin” parody with the crass joke about abortion at the end is just sickening. Culture of death indeed.

ramrocks on November 26, 2008 at 1:27 PM

Not only that, but I wondered who could possibly be blind-drunk enough to impregnate that woman skipping out of Planned Parenthood after her “vacuuming”.

onlineanalyst on November 26, 2008 at 5:16 PM

She’s not a serious person.

dakine on November 26, 2008 at 5:13 PM

I don’t know about that … I mean she is the governor of a state, you on the other hand come off as the girl who is jealous of the head of the class

probably spend all day wondering “why am I a loser?”

joey24007 on November 26, 2008 at 5:16 PM

She ran as an aw shucks populist on a “reform” platform and won.

dakine on November 26, 2008 at 5:13 PM

No, she actually has a record as a reformer. She does come from the people; she’s not “running as a populist.”

chunderroad on November 26, 2008 at 5:17 PM

C’mon joey…you can do better than that. A Palin fan boy calls me a girl. You’re ridiculous.

dakine on November 26, 2008 at 5:18 PM

No, she actually has a record as a reformer. She comes from the people; she’s not running as a populist.

(Accidentally hit the strike key.)

chunderroad on November 26, 2008 at 5:19 PM

C’mon joey…you can do better than that. A Palin fan boy calls me a girl. You’re ridiculous.

dakine on November 26, 2008 at 5:18 PM

Hold on … I can’t believe that I am actually “talking” to Kathleen Parker!

joey24007 on November 26, 2008 at 5:19 PM

C’mon joey…you can do better than that. A Palin fan boy calls me a girl. You’re ridiculous.

dakine on November 26, 2008 at 5:18 PM

Don’t devolve to its level; there are plenty of great things about Sarah Palin that refute its arguments.

chunderroad on November 26, 2008 at 5:22 PM

She ran as an aw shucks populist on a “reform” platform and won. Well done. She’s popular because folks in Alaska are doing very well economically. Her timing was good, nothing more. She’s a celebrity and has managed to generate a pretty decent Q rating among a certain segment of the populace. Write some books, get a talk show, etc., but stay out of national politics. She’s not a serious person.

dakine on November 26, 2008 at 5:13 PM

Transpose that a little to Obama. He ran on a “change” platform and won. Well done. He’s “popular” because there’s at least the perception that we’re in an economic meltdown. He’s a celebrity and has managed to generate a pretty decent Q rating among a certain segment of the populace. I wish he had just written some books, gotten a talk show etc, because it’s pretty damn clear he’s in over his head.

ddrintn on November 26, 2008 at 5:22 PM

I think we should heed the advice of Mark Twain:

‘Never argue with a fool, onlookers may not be able to tell the difference.’

joey24007 on November 26, 2008 at 5:24 PM

My gawd, is this Noonan turkey ugly or what!?

Both in appearance and intellect (or lack thereof).

Btw, pointless of Allah to post anything that links to the follow RINO trash:

Noonan
Frum
Parker
Will
MacDonald

All of these clowns are dead to me and the conservative movement.

Norwegian on November 26, 2008 at 5:29 PM

My gawd, is this Noonan turkey ugly or what!?

Norwegian on November 26, 2008 at 5:29 PM

She’s not aging well. I think the highballs are taking a toll, both in looks and in brain.

ddrintn on November 26, 2008 at 5:32 PM

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