Most hated woman on the Internet gets off with a wrist slap

posted at 4:14 pm on November 26, 2008 by Allahpundit

It’s a testament to how hated she is, in fact, that I’ll bet half our readers guessed who I mean straightaway from the headline.

Wired has everything you need, including background on precisely what Drew did. Acquitted of felony charges, hung jury on the conspiracy charge, convicted of just three misdemeanor counts of unauthorized computer access — which themselves may end up getting tossed on appeal. Even if they hold up, the maximum sentence for each is just one year, which means she could do less time than the tool who broke into Palin’s e-mail account.

On to the civil suit, I guess.

Tina Meier, the mother of the girl, shook her head silently from the gallery as the verdict was read.

U.S. District Judge George Wu has not yet ruled on a defense motion that, if granted, would overturn even the misdemeanors for lack of evidence, and result in a judgment of acquittal. It’s also unclear whether the government will seek a new trial on the deadlocked conspiracy charge…

[P]rosecutors in Los Angeles sought to indict Drew, charging her with unauthorized access to MySpace’s computers, using a federal anti-hacking statute known as the Computer Fraud and Abuse Act. Prosecutors charged that Drew was guilty of the crime by violating MySpace’s terms-of-service agreement when she and her co-conspirators allegedly provided false information to open the account and pose online as the 16-year-old boy.

MySpace’s user agreement requires registrants, among other things, to provide factual information about themselves and to refrain from soliciting personal information from minors or using information obtained from MySpace services to harass or harm other people. By allegedly violating that click-to-agree contract, Drew committed the same crime as any hacker, prosecutors claimed.

The novel use of the statute was criticized by numerous legal experts who said the case set a “scary” precedent and potentially made a felon out of anyone who violates the terms-of-service of any website.

The felony charges appear to have been identical to the misdemeanor charges but with the added element of intending to inflict emotional distress on the victim — which is the one part that I thought was open and shut. How they convicted her on the lesser offense but not the greater is unclear. Even so, this seems like a case of the law not having caught up yet to modern facts: The computer stuff is incidental to the crime everyone really wants to see her charged with, either conspiracy to commit murder or some specie of manslaughter, for having tossed emotional grenades at a kid she should have known was unstable. For whatever reason, probably lack of evidence of specific intent to kill, they couldn’t get her on those so they were forced to resort to penny ante Internet fraud charges that were unequal to the task and might have set a perverse precedent. The silver lining is that this comes just a week after that poor kid killed himself live on webcam while people egged him on, so legislatures will probably be revisiting the subject soon of just how vicious you’re allowed to be to someone whom you know is on the edge. There’s a huge risk of overreach, needless to say, but this stuff does keep happening so some well measured deterrence would be welcome. Read See-Dubya’s post on Suzy’s Law from last year to see one way it could go.


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for having tossed emotional grenades at a kid she should have known was unstable.

From what I read, she was close to the girl’s mother and had learned that the girl was actually suicidal. That’s what really got to me on this one.

Esthier on November 26, 2008 at 4:17 PM

California. Nuff Ced

Wade on November 26, 2008 at 4:17 PM

this is why vigilantism should be legal. for cases just like this.

oh, wait…it is legal. all one has to do is plead insanity.

bloghooligan on November 26, 2008 at 4:17 PM

her actions leading up to the suicide aren’t as vile as her actions afterward. this is why this human waste should meet the sole of a boot.

bloghooligan on November 26, 2008 at 4:18 PM

I hope they take her for everything she owns in the civil suit.

PS. Good luck getting a job, lady.

TheUnrepentantGeek on November 26, 2008 at 4:18 PM

The silver lining is that this comes just a week after that poor kid killed himself live on webcam while people egged him on, so legislatures will probably be revisiting the subject soon of just how vicious you’re allowed to be to someone whom you know is on the edge.

Talk about sad. :( I can’t believe that all the people watching just sat there and did nothing… and it took how long for a moderator to find out?

As for the supposed woman concerningthe myspace suiside. I hope it eats her up inside.. for the rest of her life.

upinak on November 26, 2008 at 4:21 PM

Evil is thy name.

Squarestate on November 26, 2008 at 4:24 PM

Having been bullied ruthlessly as a child/teenager, I am and will do everything in my power to prevent something like this from happening to my children (or any children I know).

I always thought it was the duty of parents to help bring the next generation into adulthood, making them into productive citizens. Here this woman exhibits the Epic Fail: she is responsible for the death of a child, and the cruel mistreatment of her own child (that daughter will not be a productive member of my society).

Not surprised at the ruling, though. I hope some laws are changed to reflect the reality of cyber-bullying.

Anna on November 26, 2008 at 4:25 PM

I never had much hope for the criminal charges. As in the OJ case, it will likely be the judgment in the civil suit that does the most damage to her life. Karma isn’t always quick, but it’ll get her in the end.

AZCoyote on November 26, 2008 at 4:25 PM

It’s a testament to how hated she is, in fact, that I’ll bet half our readers guessed who I mean straightaway from the headline.

I’d wager it was way, way more than half.

She’ll get what’s coming to her. One way or another.

In fact, she already has. The punishment she’s getting from society is far better – and more painful, I’m sure – than anything the courts could do.

Ask this monster: would she trade a couple years in prison for everyone forgetting her name and what she did?

She’d leap at that chance. I guarantee it.

Her current punishment is better. She’ll be haunted and hounded forever and ever and ever. Not one day of peace. Forever.

Professor Blather on November 26, 2008 at 4:26 PM

I hope they take her for everything she owns in the civil suit.

PS. Good luck getting a job, lady.

TheUnrepentantGeek on November 26, 2008 at 4:18 PM

Could any lawyers tell us what the chances on the civil case are? I’m thinking that since the standards are lower for wrongful death, the Meiers probably have a good case on this. I cannot say I’m surprised on the felony convictions though. The laws have definitely not kept up with the technology.

Illinidiva on November 26, 2008 at 4:28 PM

Isn’t there some pedophile type charges that they could get her on? I mean she was pretending to be a minor to get in an online romance with a minor.

- The Cat

MirCat on November 26, 2008 at 4:31 PM

potentially made a felon out of anyone who violates the terms-of-service of any website. [note bold!]

Okay, okay, AP. We’ll stop hassling you about your various…proclivities.
Sheesh, I don’t wanna go to jail!

eeyore on November 26, 2008 at 4:31 PM

So basically everything will eventually be a “crime” and the media/government/police/etc… can cherry-pick or randomly choose who they want to enforce the law upon?

Police State 101.

I assume if they really want to nail Joe the Plumber’s of the world, Feds can investigate to see if he has ever spammed YouTube or put a fake age on his MySpace page. This would be CRIMINAL! Private sector, judiciary, media, and gov working hand-in-hand. Good job!

nottakingsides on November 26, 2008 at 4:33 PM

I like the look of a civil suit. I can understand juries not wanting to set precedents in order to punish one monster, but the civil suit has a lot more flexibility.

I’m having difficulty expressing how much I want this vile piece of garbage to suffer, so I will leave it to others. Okay, maybe one day in general population will be enough.

Laura in Maryland on November 26, 2008 at 4:33 PM

I am not surprised. I suspect her life is pretty much in shambles and will pay for this the rest of her life, as she should.

bopbottle on November 26, 2008 at 4:36 PM

Execute her…financially.

HornetSting on November 26, 2008 at 4:36 PM

Isn’t there some pedophile type charges that they could get her on? I mean she was pretending to be a minor to get in an online romance with a minor.

There may be some possible charges, but they wouldn’t have anything to do with pedophilia – the girl was 13.

Like some have said, that woman will get what she deserves in some fashio.

TexasAg03 on November 26, 2008 at 4:38 PM

Her current punishment is better. She’ll be haunted and hounded forever and ever and ever. Not one day of peace. Forever.

Professor Blather on November 26, 2008 at 4:26 PM

You have to have a soul initially to have regreat………

…….. I think this souless waste of skin will try hitting the “The View” or at least sell her story to Hollywood for a good night of entertainment TV, or a “C” rated movie where she will let her daughter play herself……..

…….. notice how no one is talking too much about the victim?

Seven Percent Solution on November 26, 2008 at 4:38 PM

MirCat on November 26, 2008 at 4:31 PM

I think that would be a little thin, since she wasn’t trying to have a sexual relationship with a minor. Is it even against the law for an adult to pretend to be a teen in order to have a nonsexual, romantic relationship with a teen?

Esthier on November 26, 2008 at 4:39 PM

I’m smelly a civil suit.

One Angry Christian on November 26, 2008 at 4:40 PM

This is why vigilantism should be legal. for cases just like this.

oh, wait…it is legal. all one has to do is plead insanity.

bloghooligan on November 26, 2008 at 4:17 PM

No, all one has to do is wait a bit and keep one’s mouth shut. If yer gonna do it, do it; then don’t talk about it.

First rule of “Fight Club”, eh?

Don Carne on November 26, 2008 at 4:41 PM

How in the world did they find a jury with that much apathy? Don’t any of them have children of their own? Tina Meier lost her daughter. This is not the case of someone bullying her and making her cry or causing physical pain. This lead to a death. There is no justice in this world.

cjs1943 on November 26, 2008 at 4:41 PM

I do really feel that this woman should be punished. But just a question:

“Do people that yell at a person at the edge of a building to go ahead and jump, deserve jail time?”

broker1 on November 26, 2008 at 4:42 PM

I just have so much trouble getting past that this is an adult that felt compelled to involve herself in a teenage squabble. It speaks volumes to her intellectual level that she could spend so much time and imagination on this cruel prank.

Cindy Munford on November 26, 2008 at 4:44 PM

How they convicted her on the lesser offense but not the greater is unclear. Even so, this seems like a case of the law not having caught up yet to modern facts: The computer stuff is incidental to the crime everyone really wants to see her charged with, either conspiracy to commit murder or some specie of manslaughter, for having tossed emotional grenades at a kid she should have known was unstable.

…if the whole “Internet is complicated” meme is holding up justice, allow me to suggest a few alternatives to the meat-puppets prosecuting this monster:

* imagine that the bullying didn’t happen on the Internet, but rather happened over the phone.

* that the bullying didn’t happen on the Internet, but rather happened in a confessional booth.

* that the bullying didn’t happen on the Internet, but rather happened with the bully in the bushes outside the victim’s room, whispering through the window.

* that the bullying didn’t happen on the Internet, but rather happened using the old “can-and-string” middle school science project.

Why, when you introduce some novel new way of victimizing someone do the solons of the courts take so long to adapt?

Rape, and you take someone against their will. Add the “date rape” drug, and is it any less rape? Would the judicial wonders quail and quibble if the person in the dock were charged with murder for killing someone with a particle-beam ray gun?

In each case, the court seems to focus on the actions of the perpetrator, which is proper…but gets bogged down with the complexities of the culpability of method…while seemingly ignoring the fact that the victim’s still dead, however the arrived at room temperature. Proceed from the corpus delicti, tie the person in the dock to the act — whatever the specifics — and then check out the method.

…and don’t get all weepy and winsome about how nice the murderer was when they weren’t murdering. Hitler’s motives — the protection of his people — were, in the very abstract noble. Who wouldn’t want to defend his people against a predatory foreigner? The fact that he protected millions to death — ironically, on both sides of the issue — kida show Mr. H as more akin to Ms. Drew than to the angels.

…but, then, I’m not a lawyer…I don’t even play one on TV…I only finance this pettifogged and sold out system with my tax dollars…and, as do we all, stand to be its next victim….

Puritan1648 on November 26, 2008 at 4:46 PM

“Do people that yell at a person at the edge of a building to go ahead and jump, deserve jail time?”

broker1 on November 26, 2008 at 4:42 PM

…or, the folks who watched that kid whack himself online recently…some are supposed to’ve egged him on, no?

…what is their liability?

Does the fact that it was online make the kid’s death “virtual”…or is he actually dead? Is their encouragement, where it existed, virtual, or is it just plain, old callous.

…in a voyeur society, when does voyeurism become actionable?

Puritan1648 on November 26, 2008 at 4:49 PM

Hmm what is it that people can’t understand the meaning of “Violate” It means doing something illegal or against another’s wishes.
You rape a woman you Violate her!
You commit abortion you Violate the unborn rights!
You Violate the rules of anything you have committed a crime.

But we have these sickos that think aborting a humans right to life is something a woman has control over,we can understand how people can break laws just because they do not agree with them.
Put the “Bitch” behind bars.

Hmmm We try our military when at war for killing hostiles and let Abortions go unpunshid. What a sick world the Libs have bestowed upon us.

Rick007 on November 26, 2008 at 4:49 PM

Seven Percent Solution on November 26, 2008 at 4:38 PM

*BINGO*

…this creature’s actions don’t seem to bespeak any maturity, capacity for regret or concept of consequences…she was out to hurt someone…she succeeded….

…and, society will reward her for keeping us all entertained with her clever crime with more media attention, maybe a book deal, maybe a TV movie…where it’ll make no difference to her or the network how she’s portrayed so long as they can sell advertising….

…she’ll skulk all the way to the bank….

Puritan1648 on November 26, 2008 at 4:53 PM

Of course we could all wait for God to punish her.
Eternal damnnation is a bitch. You know the whole lake of fire, getting used by the BCOS, coprophagia, etc…

Don Carne on November 26, 2008 at 4:55 PM

Heh, right about the title, AP.

Civil suit FTW.

Spirit of 1776 on November 26, 2008 at 4:58 PM

the only thing on earth fatter and uglier than this wicked witch is her Daughter! I say there is a God and her daughter inherited all her un-redeaming qualities!

This is just soooooo sad….as the parent of a daughter soon to be of this age, there is sooo much pressure already with out homely biatches lopping more on to protect their homely daughter…..

SDarchitect on November 26, 2008 at 5:01 PM

Oh puh-leeze. This woman has been vilified for all the WRONG reasons. The only thing she’s guilty of is being a liar. Big deal. Anyone that kills themselves, is mentally unstable anyway and NO ONE is responsible for someone else’s suicide. Its just assinine. Morally, however, this woman needs a serious ass-wuppin’. Which she will get eventually.

Andy in Agoura Hills on November 26, 2008 at 5:03 PM

This woman is a bully and a waste of space. But honestly, I think criminal charges for violating terms of use are crap. Think about it: this means that every 16 year old that gossips online could face criminal prosecution. Do we really want to set THAT precedent? At best, the government could selectively choose to pick who to prosecute based on the prosecutor’s own agenda. I say this as a pro-law enforcement former prosecutor: sometimes reprehensible conduct just is not and should not be criminal.

That being said, I hope they the Meier family takes her for everything she’s got. And that she experiences the censure of society for a long, long time.

patriette on November 26, 2008 at 5:04 PM

SDarchitect on November 26, 2008 at 5:01 PM

I don’t think they’ve ever shown pics of her daughter. The girl in the pic here is actually her assistant, the girl who actually created the account.

Esthier on November 26, 2008 at 5:04 PM

This really an example of the prosecutor over thinking things. The fact that the harassment happened over a computer is a meaningless detail. She should have been charged with aggravated harassment in the second degree with the intent to do harm, a felony. The victim and the assailant both live in the same state, so federal law didn’t need apply and the case would have been open and shut.

The prosecutor had a case of the stupid and thought “oh, a computer” and ignore the state laws he could have used to crush her.

Dhael on November 26, 2008 at 5:12 PM

Funny how conservatives are just as vulnerable to knee jerk emotional reactions as the worst of the left are.

This woman did nothing wrong. Instead of vilifying her, ask yourself what you would do if you had to deal with a nutcase family who made your kids life miserable. The fact that the mother of this kid knew she was suicidal and still let her bully and harass another kid speaks volumes about why that poor kid was mentally ill in the first place. For a kid like her to kill herself in the middle of the day while her parents were at home is the saddest thing I’ve ever heard of.

She didn’t kill herself because of what was done to her on the internet. She killed herself because nobody in her own home cared enough about her to listen to her and help her make her short life better. And the reason for her miserable life was in her own home.

Many of us experienced bullying and humiliation in junior and senior high school and like me they found refuge at home. This poor kid didn’t. So don’t blame some other mother for trying to protect her own child from the toxic family the girl was unfortunate enough to be born into.

Jaynie59 on November 26, 2008 at 5:20 PM

She will never have another day of peace…she should move next door to OJ…

right2bright on November 26, 2008 at 5:22 PM

Granted the home life of the victim was bad, but the the woman did in fact violate the law. Not the pissant crap the prosecutor came up with either.

240.30 Aggravated harassment in the second degree.

A person is guilty of aggravated harassment in the second degree when, with intent to harass, annoy, threaten or alarm another person, he or she:

1. Communicates, or causes a communication to be initiated by mechanical or electronic means or otherwise, with a person, anonymously or otherwise, by telephone, or by telegraph, mail or any other form of written communication, in a manner likely to cause annoyance or alarm

Aggravated harassment in the first degree requires the threat of physical violence, the second degree does not. Everything about the case screams of aggravated harassment. The bullying is a meaningless justification. It’s like saying me kicking your cat is a valid justification for you sending me to ICU. There is no equivalence between the two actions on any level.

Yes, the bullying shouldn’t have happened, but the retaliation was so far beyond the pale as to make the initial offense meaningless.

Dhael on November 26, 2008 at 5:32 PM

I hope that woman is treated like a pariah just like OJ Simpson for the rest of her life.

Oink on November 26, 2008 at 5:44 PM

As rotten and evil as she is, I think our emotions get in the way when we try to convict her of a crime punishable by jail. Though it would satisfy me greatly to see her serve jail time, we have to apply the laws on the books, regardless of our disdain for the actions and our feelings toward the big fat cow.

I do wonder, however, how a young, unstable girl is allowed to have a Myspace that is not monitored by her parents. It never ceases to amaze me how many parents abdicate their parental responsibilities when it comes to the time spent and places visited by their kids on the computers.

sheesh on November 26, 2008 at 5:45 PM

A girl DIES and this witch gets nothing? Meanwhile Ramos & Compean are serving 12 years for shooting a drug dealer in the ass?

Our world is upside down.

cannonball on November 26, 2008 at 5:48 PM

This woman did nothing wrong. Instead of vilifying her, ask yourself what you would do if you had to deal with a nutcase family who made your kids life miserable. The fact that the mother of this kid knew she was suicidal and still let her bully and harass another kid speaks volumes about why that poor kid was mentally ill in the first place. For a kid like her to kill herself in the middle of the day while her parents were at home is the saddest thing I’ve ever heard of.

Jaynie59 on November 26, 2008 at 5:20 PM

Methinks you need a quick refresher (or initial reading) of the actual facts in the case. You seem to have it almost exactly backwards.

You’re a bit confused.

Professor Blather on November 26, 2008 at 5:58 PM

Even if they hold up, the maximum sentence for each is just one year, which means she could do less time than the tool who broke into Palin’s e-mail account.

I think her time in jail would be slightly less pleasant, however. I’m guessing there are about an equal percentage of moms in prison as on the internet, who’d like to have a word or two with her.

Tanya on November 26, 2008 at 6:02 PM

Jaynie59 on November 26, 2008 at 5:20 PM

I think that it is unfortunate that you seem to be blaming Meghan and her parents.. So let’s go over the facts.

A. Both Meghan’s parents were not negligent at all in the case. In fact, they were much less negligent than many parents when it comes to their daughter’s Internet use. The Meiers seem to have severely restricted Meghan’s Internet use after they caught her on MySpace with Sarah setting up a fake account. Mom only let Meghan sign up for MySpace a few months before her fourteenth birthday and was the one who had the MySpace password.

B. Meghan did have psychological problems in the past and this did contribute to her death. However, severe depression is caused by a chemical imbalance in the brain; this is why there are drugs that exist to treat it. It has nothing to do with her parents or her home life.

C. There is no evidence that Meghan was harrassing or bullying Sarah. No written/ email evidence was presented in the trial. More likely the girls had a spat, it was blown out of proportion by a hormonal teenage girl, and she decided that she wanted revenge against her former friend.

D. Even if Meghan was bad-mouthing Sarah, the way that an adult would react is to coach her daughter through the situation and if it hadn’t subsided and there was serious allegations, she could have gone over and talked with Tina Meier. There were other steps that she taken. For instance, if Meghan was harrassing Sarah online, she could print out the emails and forward them to MySpace. MySpace would disable Meghan’s account.

E. Instead, Lori decided to engage in a teen revenge fantasy and egged her daughter on. Even worse, she knew that Meghan had severe emotional problems and that it could end badly. The situation is similar to leaving a loaded gun in a room with a four year old. The adult in question is definitely culpable for any deaths that occur.

Illinidiva on November 26, 2008 at 6:02 PM

As rotten and evil as she is, I think our emotions get in the way when we try to convict her of a crime punishable by jail. Though it would satisfy me greatly to see her serve jail time, we have to apply the laws on the books, regardless of our disdain for the actions and our feelings toward the big fat cow.

I do wonder, however, how a young, unstable girl is allowed to have a Myspace that is not monitored by her parents. It never ceases to amaze me how many parents abdicate their parental responsibilities when it comes to the time spent and places visited by their kids on the computers.

sheesh on November 26, 2008 at 5:45 PM

Actually, the MySpace page was monitored by the Meiers. Meghan was asked to log off so that Tina (the mom) could take the younger girl to the dentist, but was so upset about the “Josh” nastygram that she didn’t. Tina was in such a hurry with the younger girl that she forgot to verify.

Illinidiva on November 26, 2008 at 6:05 PM

“Do people that yell at a person at the edge of a building to go ahead and jump, deserve jail time?”

Yes. They should also be screamed at endlessly for being amoral monsters.

mjk on November 26, 2008 at 6:07 PM

We may as well start arresting and prosecuting and suing all the Rap Stars, Rock Stars, Hip Hop Stars, Country Music Stars, Punk Rock Stars -etc ad nauseum- and Television Producers, Movie Producers, and Video Game Developers for all the deaths, injuries, and ruined families they have caused by using their powers of persuasion to cause the deaths and suffering of so many young people.

The so-called ‘influence’ this stupid lady had over that already screwed up girl via a handful of silly text messages and e-mails is NOTHING compared to the influence our entire pop-culture exerts upon our youth each and every single day, 24/7, 365.

Pull your heads out and take a look and a listen around.

FlatFoot on November 26, 2008 at 6:08 PM

This woman did nothing wrong. Instead of vilifying her, ask yourself what you would do if you had to deal with a nutcase family who made your kids life miserable. The fact that the mother of this kid knew she was suicidal and still let her bully and harass another kid speaks volumes about why that poor kid was mentally ill in the first place. For a kid like her to kill herself in the middle of the day while her parents were at home is the saddest thing I’ve ever heard of.

My cousin killed himself at 6am while his roomates were at home. My second cousin laid down on railroad tracks at 3pm just a mile from her home and got run over by a train. Who you gonna blame for those?

I was suicidal when I was a teenager. You think I couldn’t have gotten away with it while living on a farm? I didn’t do it because I don’t like to lose. Ever.

We had no idea my cousin was suicidal until they found him in the garage, hanging from the rafters.

If someone is bound and determined to it, it’s basically takes an act of G-d to stop them. Sorry to burst your bubble.

mjk on November 26, 2008 at 6:12 PM

The so-called ‘influence’ this stupid lady had over that already screwed up girl via a handful of silly text messages and e-mails is NOTHING compared to the influence our entire pop-culture exerts upon our youth each and every single day, 24/7, 365.

Good G-d. Have you ever had anyone bother you 24/7 at school? have you ever been made fun of by everyone you ever knew? Have you ever been the subject of vicious rumors that spread like wildfire? Have you ever been told to your FACE that you were stupid and ugly and that no one would ever love you?

Pop culture had nothing to do with my suicidal thoughts. But those arses I dealt with on a daily basis sure did.

Of course, my eventual response is now “Go screw yourself” so it all works out in the end….

mjk on November 26, 2008 at 6:15 PM

her actions leading up to the suicide aren’t as vile as her actions afterward.

bloghooligan on November 26, 2008 at 4:18 PM

No. Her actions before were the proximal cause of the suicide. Nothing she did afterward comes close. The girl died believing that the “boy” she loved hated her. This “adult” manipulated the girl’s feelings in revenge for the falling out between the girl and her daughter.

I could see the other family performing a vigilante act — the justice system has let them down. I can hope they’ll take the high road, but I’m not sure I could if I were them. It will take a big big person to do that.

I do hope they come to own everything the “woman” has in the inevitable civil suit.

unclesmrgol on November 26, 2008 at 6:21 PM

There is one Judge with whom she will have to do serious business. In the meantime, her name is justifiably dung. I hope this follows her everywhere, since she is not one whit repentant. She’s worse then the cheerleader mother.

RightTurnOnly on November 26, 2008 at 6:23 PM

As for the supposed woman concerningthe myspace suiside. I hope it eats her up inside.. for the rest of her life.

upinak on November 26, 2008 at 4:21 PM

And may her suffering be short in duration.

sondiehl on November 26, 2008 at 6:32 PM

The computer stuff is incidental to the crime everyone really wants to see her charged with, either conspiracy to commit murder or some specie of manslaughter, for having tossed emotional grenades at a kid she should have known was unstable.

Excuse me, we’re expecting a 49-year-old “mother” who was bullying a young teen to recognize emotional instability? That’s asking a bit much, don’t you think? This “mother” wasn’t just the owner of the computer that her fat daughter was using to taunt another girl. Lori Drew was the ringleader:

Both Ashley Grills and Sarah Drew had testified that the intent in creating the account was to lure Megan into conversation with “Josh Evans” to determine what she was saying about Sarah Drew. Grills also testified that midway through the ruse, Lori Drew changed the plan and wanted to print out copies of Megan’s correspondence with “Josh” and confront her with them in public to humiliate her. Sarah Drew said this was discussed at the dinner table one night but it was never a serious plan and was never their intent.

I’m sure the laws haven’t kept up with the technology but I’m equally certain that this “mother” should be thankful tomorrow that the case was tried in a place full of liberal weirdos (LA, San Francisco, NYC, etc.) Had she helped her daughter write notes and it had stayed local, I’m pretty sure there would have been justice for Tina Meier’s daughter.

highhopes on November 26, 2008 at 6:36 PM

I don’t understand what all the fuss is about. It just looks like a prank to me. Anyone insecure and stupid enough to kill themselves over a breakup with some online chat buddy probably doesn’t have much to offer the world anyway. I would have thrown this case out.

Sign of the Dollar on November 26, 2008 at 6:46 PM

what the hell… why is everyone being so stupid on here….
did she put the gun to the girls head? no. if you commit suicide it is your fault and your fault alone. SUICIDE means you were weak , just because becky didnt go to prom with you does not mean its her fault you died.

how many emo kids killed themselves after listening to catcher in the rye? OR HOW MANY depressed girls killed themselves after watching The Notebook, i know that movie almost made me kill myself. anyways this woman should get…. 0 jail time, 0 civil suit 0 anything, yes she is a moron and immature … but what the hell? what ever happened to conservatism

What happened to self responsibility don’t we as conservatives believe you have the Right to pursue Life liberty and happiness, not guaranteed? why is this little girl not help liable for her own actions, or her parents? who lets a suicidal teen on my space unchecked – how bad of a parent must you be to have a suicidal teen anyways? i bet money they didn’t go to church and probably voted for Obama guess she didn’t buy into the hope and change either –

Rob – 23 male louisiana

Donut on November 26, 2008 at 6:52 PM

better move soon lady, cuz Missouri doesn’t want you…

Kaptain Amerika on November 26, 2008 at 7:06 PM

Rob – 23 male louisiana

Donut on November 26, 2008 at 6:52 PM

You are like those NAMBLA guys — if you stick your stick into a kid and the kid cries, it’s the kids’ fault, right?

unclesmrgol on November 26, 2008 at 7:08 PM

this is why vigilantism should be legal. for cases just like this.

oh, wait…it is legal. all one has to do is plead insanity.

bloghooligan on November 26

No No No! Just say your gay and protesting Prop 8! Make sure you carry signs, though, that say “Stop the Hate!”

JellyToast on November 26, 2008 at 7:12 PM

Satan has a special place for her.

This is unforgiveable.

madmonkphotog on November 26, 2008 at 7:13 PM

Wow, those of you who think this is out of proportion must not have been harassed like Meghan.

My bus driver in 6th grade would pull over to the side of the road to watch the bullies on my bus beat the tar out of me. My crime? My mother is gay. In junior high, I gained weight so I could no longer be shoved in lockers. I didn’t kill myself because I wanted to live after my escape. It was hard, though, and I didn’t get help for my depression until I was in my early 20′s. It’s a brain thing, yes, but real-life events can effect the chemistry even more. This poor girl had problems, and the culprit in this madness was not only aware of it, she set out to maliciously frak with a 13yo’s mind even more. Even if Meghan had been mentally stable, adults do not play mind games with children! It’s harassment, plain and simple, and it should have gone to court as such.

This is a new generation, new ways of bullying. Doesn’t make it more acceptable because electrons were used instead of fists. Obviously, this affects me deeply, and as I said above, I will not let this sort of thing happen to any child I know, especially my own. It has nothing to do with being conservative, but everything to do with protecting children as a parent and as an adult.

Anna on November 26, 2008 at 7:38 PM

Anyone who thinks this woman did not directly contribute to the death of this young girl, deserves a 13 year old daughter for the rest of their life.

Wade on November 26, 2008 at 7:45 PM

If this slobby broad Lori Drew thinks she just got a wrist slap, she is in for a rude awakening. Everywhere she goes from now now, she may wind up with a drink thrown in her face, her car keyed, or insults and accusations thrown at her up one way and down the next. Her equally slobby daughter may already be catching the brunt of all this in school. And there is now the obvious civil law suit that will be coming from Meghan’s mother.

Drew’s little “joke” is going to be her worst nightmare for probably the rest of her life. And she deserves every moment of it.

pilamaye on November 26, 2008 at 8:01 PM

And for the record, cyberbullies are the lowest form of cowards on the planet.

pilamaye on November 26, 2008 at 8:02 PM

This just saddens me. That woman will get her dues. Karma always comes around.

sheebe on November 26, 2008 at 8:03 PM

Guilty as sin, free as a bird.

Andrew D on November 26, 2008 at 8:03 PM

Looking at the picture of the daughter of Mrs. Most Hated, I predict she’ll grow up to be another winner. Poor kid, her chestnut fell extremely close to the bottom of her mother’s bovine-looking tree.

I always did think a civil suit on behalf of the dead girl’s parent was the way to go, especially when the law in Missouri refused to follow up. I hadn’t heard that they were proceeding with it, though. Good.

NahnCee on November 26, 2008 at 8:14 PM

AdrianS on November 26, 2008 at 8:04 PM

Dude please stop spamming. It is getting ridiculous.

Illinidiva on November 26, 2008 at 8:15 PM

AdrianS on November 26, 2008 at 8:04 PM

Grasping at straws is a waste of time.

hillbillyjim on November 26, 2008 at 8:17 PM

Looking at the picture of the daughter of Mrs. Most Hated, I predict she’ll grow up to be another winner. Poor kid, her chestnut fell extremely close to the bottom of her mother’s bovine-looking tree.

I always did think a civil suit on behalf of the dead girl’s parent was the way to go, especially when the law in Missouri refused to follow up. I hadn’t heard that they were proceeding with it, though. Good.

NahnCee on November 26, 2008 at 8:14 PM

I think that this is one situation that a lawsuit is warranted. IMO, this is definitely a wrongful death suit.

As for the daughter, I don’t like to diss on anyone’s looks, but unfortunately she also picked up her mom’s maliciousness. She’s probably the one who got the kids to “spam” Meghan at the end and is partially responsible for her death. Not as bad as her mom, but she’s definitely a “mean girl” and at fourteen should be held accountable for her actions.

Illinidiva on November 26, 2008 at 8:21 PM

This is a new generation, new ways of bullying. Doesn’t make it more acceptable because electrons were used instead of fists.

Anna on November 26, 2008 at 7:38 PM

The anonymity of the internet is making harassment so much more widespread. I’ve been to quite a few online forums where people (who never even met each other in person) got into silly disagreements and then tried to destroy each other and their families. Doing things like googling and posting personal info, or finding out where they worked and emailing/calling employers with lies about them to humiliate them and get them fired. And other really sadistic stuff. I’m beginning to think that a large portion of the population is insane, but just manages to hide it in person. Maybe Lori Drew is not that unusual in her online bullying…she just got caught.

Smoothies on November 26, 2008 at 8:35 PM

Agreed… The Internets has really cheapened the political/ other discourse. People can say things anonymously that they wouldn’t dare saying to someone’s face.

Illinidiva on November 26, 2008 at 8:47 PM

Has anyone seen Gaslight or Witness to Murder? Both movies about a plot to convince a person that she’s going crazy (and both great movies, btw). Of course in the movies the bad guys get theirs, but not in a courtroom sense if you know what I mean. So, forgetting this whole internet angle, is there actually a law against that sort of thing? Say, if Gaslight were real and came to trial, would they have to charge the guy with all the peripheral crimes and not be able to do anything about pyschological manipulation?

Also, I have nothing to do with AdrianS, just to be clear.

AdrianG on November 26, 2008 at 8:48 PM

California. Nuff Ced

Wade on November 26, 2008 at 4:17 PM

California Commiefornia. (Fixed it for you)

I’ve called CA my home since 1979 and I’ve never been so ashamed of this state. Anger.

Claypigeon on November 26, 2008 at 8:51 PM

Yep. Current law is ill-equipped to handle something like this.

And sadly, even though it sickens me that this woman basically gets off scott free, I can recognize the danger in criminalizing behavior on the internet. A reasonable law intended to stop something like this can be twisted to mean anything. What we all do on a daily basis here at Hot Air could become a “thought crime.”

What a pathetic waste of human skin.

She shall not escape ultimate judgment.

Hawkins1701 on November 26, 2008 at 9:16 PM

This is a new generation, new ways of bullying. Doesn’t make it more acceptable because electrons were used instead of fists. Obviously, this affects me deeply, and as I said above, I will not let this sort of thing happen to any child I know, especially my own. It has nothing to do with being conservative, but everything to do with protecting children as a parent and as an adult.

Anna on November 26, 2008 at 7:38 PM

Anna,

There is absolutely no way of proving or disproving your claims of being abused because your mom was a lesbian. I tend to doubt them because the anecdotal “evidence” of evil bus drivers just doesn’t hold up to scrutiny in most communities- somebody would have ratted out the driver. For all this forum knows you are a regular poster under a different name.

You’ve made the case why a demented 49-year-old whore isn’t balanced when she helps her kid kill an emotionally fragile schoolmate but there is absolutely no reason why we should buy into your motives for doing the right thing.

Again, your story may be true but there is no more verification in this format than when a bogus 16-year-old “classmate” tormented the Meier girl. The internet simply isn’t the place to take everybody and everything at face value.

highhopes on November 26, 2008 at 9:20 PM

this is why vigilantism should be legal. for cases just like this.

oh, wait…it is legal. all one has to do is plead insanity.

bloghooligan on November 26, 2008 at 4:17 PM

Or just don’t get caught in the first place….

Hog Wild on November 26, 2008 at 9:34 PM

Rob – 23 male louisiana

Donut on November 26, 2008 at 6:52 PM

You are like those NAMBLA guys — if you stick your stick into a kid and the kid cries, it’s the kids’ fault, right?
unclesmrgol on November 26, 2008 at 7:08 PM

glad you have a life long fantasy to molest kids, but unlike you i say put the NAMBLA men in jail…. for life.

But putting this woman in jail or stealing money from her through a law suit is no different than fat people suing McDonalds. Lets look at it like this, i eat fried foods my whole life, weight 500 pounds , but i buy a burger and fries from mcdonalds and die that second. Is it Mcdonalds that sold me 1 burger and fries that killed me? or is it a LIFE LONG thing that caught up to me that killed me.

You see, obviously this girl was suicidal therefore she was thinking about killing herself long before DRew lady ever talked to her.

also – Catholics believe suicide is a mortal sin…

Donut on November 26, 2008 at 10:00 PM

Her current punishment is better. She’ll be haunted and hounded forever and ever and ever. Not one day of peace. Forever.

Professor Blather on November 26, 2008 at 4:26 PM

I dearly hope so. I don’t think she’s going to get much punishment from the courts.

4shoes on November 26, 2008 at 10:10 PM

highhopes on November 26, 2008 at 9:20 PM

1. I post under my (shortened) first name. I also post under the goddess anna, but I’ve found that that handle offends people.

2. The bus driver was fired after the bus camera backed up my story. I don’t have the tape, but having it wouldn’t prove anything to you anyway. Still, it happened three times before it stopped, and I wasn’t the one who stopped it.

3. Are you trying to say that because I can neither prove nor disprove my being bullied, that you doubt my veracity when I say I will protect my children from being bullied themselves? Because that is exactly how I read that second paragraph. Besides, my husband was never bullied, and he doesn’t want our children to be bullied either. One doesn’t have to be a victim to find it repugnant – but it is a very real problem. With more and more social interaction occuring in this online format, cyberbullying is just the latest way to harass others (and it’s not limited to children).

4. The internet is indeed a strange place, full of fantasy and fiction, and I do understand why you would not take things at face value. Still, I wonder what inspires such doubt about a bullying anecdote? I grew up in a fairly small city (Dover, DE), and during the ’80′s & ’90′s, my family situation was quite uncommon. Kids bully kids for all sorts of reasons: too fat, too skinny, too smart, too dumb, just plain being different, etc etc etc. So, do you doubt me because you don’t believe in bullies, or is it a more generic doubt of commented memories? This only bothers me because of point #3. If you doubt everything on the internet, why do you come?

5. Any follow-up is not necessary on this thread. A simple click on my name leads to my personal blog, where you can leave a comment if you so desire. I do apologize to others for tying up the thread.

Anna on November 26, 2008 at 10:28 PM

One can only hope that she finds her way into the grill of a drunk driver

Irvin88 on November 26, 2008 at 10:29 PM

I am totally shocked that this woman got off lightly with what she did. However, I believe that having that kind of guilt forever and ever would be this woman’s karmic punishment.

mz.josephine on November 26, 2008 at 10:45 PM

Anna on November 26, 2008 at 10:28 PM

You’ve got issues far beyond the random bantering of the internet. If you haven’t yet done so, get professional help.

highhopes on November 26, 2008 at 11:33 PM

mz.josephine on November 26, 2008 at 10:45 PM

Nothing surprises me right now. A defendant can burn an infant to death in a microwave oven and a jury of liberal gits can’t agree on the death penalty.

Feedie on November 26, 2008 at 11:51 PM

She should be doing some big TIME!

Allah, have a great Thanksgiving!

Donald Douglas on November 26, 2008 at 11:51 PM

You’ve got issues far beyond the random bantering of the internet. If you haven’t yet done so, get professional help.

highhopes on November 26, 2008 at 11:33 PM

I’ll get right on that.

/speaking of loonies on the interwebs…

Anna on November 27, 2008 at 12:02 AM

This is a sad case, but come on people, our laws should reflect the fact that horrible words are not the same as horrible actions, and that no one can make you do something to yourself. Bullying is terrible–as a small toad of a kid, I was picked on a lot until I learned how to break a nose–but it doesn’t make your appendages do things. Your own brain sends freaking electrical impulses to your muscles, in case you didn’t know.

Speech crimes are one step away from thought crimes.

Mephistefales on November 27, 2008 at 12:19 AM

Background:

Krause cited testimony from several witnesses who said Drew and her co-conspirators planned to print out Meier’s correspondence with “Josh” and confront her at school or at a mall to mock her for falling for a non-existent boy. The three had an “elaborate scheme to inflict maximum humility on a teenage girl” by building her up only to “tear her down” he said. He cited the fact that the ruse lasted a month as evidence of the level of energy the conspirators put into it and said it went beyond “a mere prank or hoax.”

Their actions were all the more egregious because Drew and her daughter knew that Meier was taking medication and seeing a psychiatrist for depression, and because Sarah Drew knew that Meier had threatened suicide in the past, he said.

JustTruth101 on November 27, 2008 at 1:29 AM

I find it disturbing that anyone, even someone with emotional problems, would commit suicide over a cyber-relationship. This situtation speaks to my concern that the up and coming generation may be in danger of losing their sense of reality and their ability to interact in the real world.

A couple of quick antedotes: On September 11, 2001 I was watching events unfold live with my junior high class. I teared up and left the room quietly to regain composure when the second tower fell. Later that day one of the boys ask me why it had affected me in that way. I commented something to the effect that we were witnessing the deaths of those poor people and he was genuinely taken aback and admitted to me that it had not dawned on him that real people were really dieing.

Secondly, about a week ago my family and I were enjoying a pizza in a restuarant when a college basketball team (junior college) filed in overwhelming the room. My back was to them and I kind of cringed thinking our quiet dinner was over. But when they sat down they were almost completely silent. I turned and saw that most of them were texting other people on their cell-phones and completely oblivious to the people around them. Maybe it was a big win and they were texting home, but that is not the impression I got.

Anyway, I don’t pretend to know the solution, but my oldest is 7 and is not yet allowed to use the internet without supervison. We will think long and hard about what how to allow him to utilize today’s technology without losing touch with reality.

Renae on November 27, 2008 at 1:30 AM

I wonder why she wasn’t charged with IIED? There must be something about the electronic nature of it, I suppose.

JustTruth101 on November 27, 2008 at 1:32 AM

I find it disturbing that anyone, even someone with emotional problems, would commit suicide over a cyber-relationship. This situtation speaks to my concern that the up and coming generation may be in danger of losing their sense of reality and their ability to interact in the real world.

Yep. We’ve known for years that violent media causes desensitization, pornography increases unrealistic expectations and harms relationships, Second Life causes all kinds of problems, and kids sitting together in Starbucks don’t talk to each other since they are too busy texting kids that aren’t there. It’s weird, and a lot of it has to do with parents not paying enough attention to the kids.

JustTruth101 on November 27, 2008 at 1:35 AM

Yep. We’ve known for years that violent media causes desensitization, pornography increases unrealistic expectations and harms relationships, Second Life causes all kinds of problems, and kids sitting together in Starbucks don’t talk to each other since they are too busy texting kids that aren’t there. It’s weird, and a lot of it has to do with parents not paying enough attention to the kids.

JustTruth101 on November 27, 2008 at 1:35 AM

Agreed absolutely. On a lighter note

Renae on November 27, 2008 at 1:42 AM

I find it disturbing that anyone, even someone with emotional problems, would commit suicide over a cyber-relationship. This situtation speaks to my concern that the up and coming generation may be in danger of losing their sense of reality and their ability to interact in the real world.

What sets this case apart is that the victim was, essentially, a child and the perp an adult. Once upon a time people understood that grownups were supposed to protect the young and set an example. Now the lines are completely blurred, with adults looking and behaving like spoiled little brats and the kids pushed into sexualization. As for Lori Drew, she will pay for this–literally–for the rest of her ruined life.

RightTurnOnly on November 27, 2008 at 2:35 AM

SOOOOOOOOWWWEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE PIG PIG PIG!!!!!!!!!

Fat whore.

leetpriest on November 27, 2008 at 2:49 AM

What sets this case apart is that the victim was, essentially, a child and the perp an adult…
adults looking and behaving like spoiled little brats…
RightTurnOnly on November 27, 2008 at 2:35 AM

Finally. Thank you!

As my folks describe it, there was once a virtual conspiracy of adults — neighbors, relatives, teachers, friends — to see to it that kids didn’t get away with much. It was especially true in small towns. Kids could roam all over town under the watchful eyes of somebody, and there weren’t pervs and paroled pervs on every block. Seeing to the safety of kids and correcting them (usually by telling) was every adult citizen’s duty. That’s what I call “The Good Old Days.”

Today, if a teacher goes off meds and even thinks of disciplining a kid, the adult brats scream “quit picking on my kid; he wouldn’t do that; blah, blah, blah!!!”

On the subject of television, lots of people think the entertainment is desensitizing, but I wonder if the mixing of news and fiction programming (there’s a difference?) is the cause. Television has an immediacy, yet it is distancing. You see a flood in Iowa, but it comes out of the same box as a movie about a flood in Iowa. Radio is different somehow. Hmmm…

Feedie on November 27, 2008 at 4:22 AM

Sometimes the law isin’t written to really bring idiots to justice like this. Dont worry folks, she’ll get her’s in the end when she meets her maker.

tx2654 on November 27, 2008 at 9:01 AM

mjk on November 26, 2008 at 6:12 PM

Glad you didn’t do it. God bless you on this wonderful Thanksgiving Day.

sheesh on November 27, 2008 at 10:11 AM

She deserves some REAL jail time. I teach at middle school and these kids are emotionally fragile. Every single one of us can still remember awkward or traumatizing moments at that age. She is a cruel woman.

Mojave Mark on November 27, 2008 at 10:51 AM

“Karma isn’t always quick, but it’ll get her in the end.”

AZCoyote on November 26, 2008 at 4:25 PM

-Well said, thank you.

wcrego on November 27, 2008 at 11:36 AM

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