Massive terror plot in Mumbai; 80 dead, 250+ injured; Update: 900 injured; Update: “Chatter” points to Al Qaeda? Update: 10 separate attacks

posted at 3:03 pm on November 26, 2008 by Allahpundit

Awful, and doubly worrisome in light of the FBI alert issued this morning for the NYC subway system. According to CNN, they hit the airport, two hotels, a cafe, a railway station and a gas station — and there may be more on the way. The Foreign Ministry’s opened a war room to deal with it.

Has there ever been an attack with this many targets?

Armed with AK-47 rifles and grenades, a couple of terrorists entered the passenger hall of CST and opened fire and threw grenades, Mumbai General Railway Police Commissioner A K Sharma said.

The terror strike which began at 10:33 PM at Chhatrapathi Shivaji Terminus(CST), formerly known as the Victoria Terminus(VT), claimed 10 lives in the premises of the station alone, police said.

Three persons were killed in a bomb explosion in a taxi on Mazegaon dockyard road and an equal number were gunned down at Taj Hotel. The victims in the hotel were its employees.

The lobby of the Oberoi hotel was on fire and the hotel evacuated, eyewitnesses said.

Maharashtra DGP A N Roy said tonight’s attack in “at least seven places” is a “terror strike.”

No word yet on how many are involved, but the fact that they’re using guns and grenades instead of suicide bombs makes me wonder if this isn’t some homegrown group or a Pakistani jihadi outfit like Lashkar e-Taiba instead of AQ. LeT members were arrested in connection with the last attack on Mumbai, so there’s precedent. You might be hearing the name “Dawood Ibrahim” pop up in the coming hours, too; revisit this post by our old friend Clint Taylor for essential background.

Update: As expected, Counterterrorism Blog points the finger at LeT and a native Islamic student group.

Update: DrewM at Ace’s site claims that the hotel attackers demanded American hostages among the guests, specifically.

Update: Total chaos.


Update: At the Standard, Thomas Joscelyn asks a question wonders if an attack of this scale and coordination doesn’t point to Pakistan’s ISI.

Most, if not all, of the targets are places that cater to westerners – restaurants, hotels, trains, etc. Moreover, the terrorists have laid siege to a couple of hotels and the terrorists are incredibly mobile, moving from location to location. The attacks are ongoing and the casualty count keeps rising. The result is a traumatized city and nation.

It is too early to tell with any precision who is behind these attacks. The smart money is on the multi-headed hydra of terrorist and extremist groups based in Pakistan and Kashmir. Indeed, Pakistan’s intelligence service has waged a proxy war against India using terrorists for decades. The two nuclear powers have avoided a large-scale exchange, but the Pakistani ISI has repeatedly sponsored or aided terrorist groups targeting civilians in India. For example, Indian authorities were quite vocal in blaming Pakistan for the July 11, 2006 train bombings, which killed more than 200.

Update: A clue, maybe, as to how they pulled this off without no one noticing anything. How young are we talking about here?

“They were very young, like boys really, wearing jeans and T-shirts,” Rakesh Patel, a stunned British guest at the Taj, told an Indian television channel. He said he had been among about a dozen foreigners who had been herded together by two heavily armed men and taken up to the hotel’s upper floors.

“They said they wanted anyone with British and American passports and then they took us up the stairs. I think they wanted to take us to the roof,” he said. He and another hostage had managed to escape when they reached the 18th floor, he said.

Update: A group no one’s ever heard of called the Deccan Mujahedeen is taking credit. What’s worse: If they’re lying or if they’re telling the truth, which would mean amateurs somehow pulled off an attack this sophisticated?

Update: Correction — looks like they’re been heard from before.

Update: Unbelievably, the Times of India now says more than 900 have been injured. How is that possible absent at least one monster blast that wounds hundreds of people all at once? And again, just how many attackers are we talking about here? Is there an army parading through the streets of Mumbai?

They got a bunch of top cops, too. How?

The attacks have taken a tragic toll on the city’s top police brass: The high-profile chief of the anti-terror squad Hemant Karkare was killed; Mumbai’s additional commissioner of police (east) Ashok Kamte was gunned down outside the Metro; and celebrated encounter specialist Vijay Salaskar was also killed.

More:

Some media reports attributed the attack to Lashkar-e-Taiba. There were also unconfirmed reports that some of the terrorists came in by sea. A boat laden with explosives was recovered later at night off the Gateway of India.

Update: Supposedly, western intel picked up “chatter” in the last few weeks suggesting a terror spectacular in the works to welcome Obama to the global fray. They’re assuming it’s AQ, but this doesn’t look like any other AQ attack I’ve ever heard of and India’s never been a big preoccupation of the leadership. Even so, here you go:

The multiple attacks on Westerners in Bombay tonight showed all the signs of an al-Qaeda strategy — picking on vulnerable Western “soft targets” but not in a country where there would be maximum security. The bombing of Western targets in Bali in 2002 when al-Qaeda-linked terrorists planted bombs in touristfavoured restaurants and nightclubs was another example where the terror group switched its resources to achieve maximum impact.

Counter-terrorist experts said that India would have been selected for the latest spectacular “probably because that’s where al-Qaeda have sufficient resources to carry out an attack on this scale”. One counter-terrorist expert told The Times: “They don’t choose for the sake of it, they look to see where they have the greatest capability and then order an attack,”

The key to this attack was the search by the armed terrorists for American and British passport holders. With a reported 40 Westerners being held hostage, the terrorists currently have the upper hand. The counter-terrorist sources said targeting Bombay’s most luxurious hotels and a crowded railway station had all the hallmarks of an al-Qaeda operation.

If this is an international group like AQ, I wonder if their next try in America won’t involve more mundane weapons like guns and grenades instead of something grand scale to try to duplicate their success here.

Update: Via Danger Room, there’s already a Google Map available to show you how spread out the attacks are. And here’s a Flickr page of photos from the rubble.

Update: The Indian army’s reportedly moving in on the hotels where hostages are being held. We’re in for either one of the great rescue operations in history or another Beslan.

Update: Roggio suspects the Deccan Mujahedeen are a front group for the usual suspects.

Indian intelligence believes the Indian Mujahideen is a front group created by Lashkar-e-Taiba and the Harkat ul Jihad al Islami to confuse investigators and cover the tracks of the Students’ Islamic Movement of India, or SIMI, a radical Islamist movement. The groups receive support from Pakistan’s Inter-Service Intelligence and are al Qaeda affiliates.

Update: No details yet but IBN says 50 people have been rescued from the Hotel Taj.

Update: MSNBC was streaming IBN just now and a correspondent speculated that we’re looking at maybe 100 suspects here, maybe more. How was a group that large trained and equipped well enough to carry out coordinated attacks without anyone leaking or Indian counterterror knowing about it? See now why Roggio thinks ISI might be at work here?

Update: There have been six separate explosions at the Hotel Taj, apparently, and 10 separate attacks across the city in all, according to IBN. I would never have guessed that any terror group was capable of pulling this off, be it AQ, Hezbollah, or whoever.


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sharrukin on November 26, 2008 at 11:51 PM

No, and it pisses me off. Makes you long for another (really big) attack on a liberal sh*thole like NYC, then we could watch the libs shriek while we say “no,no, don’t overreact…”. Yes, I know it’s wrong, and that our beloved Allahpundit lives there, but still, I think that’s what it will take. My next door neighbours were in NYC during 9/11 and while they took that opportunity to escape it, they still haven’t entirely left their libtard thinking behind.

Fortunata on November 26, 2008 at 11:58 PM

It is now confirmed that a large number of the residents of the Nariman House are Jews/Israeli nationals

SgtSVJones on November 27, 2008 at 12:00 AM

What I didnt realize was that last week there was an attack on a South African Nuke facility. Apparently someone tried to storm the site. Very troublesome

William Amos on November 27, 2008 at 12:00 AM

I just dislike how resistance to Islamisation is being characterised in advance by many people as the evil white man’s thirst for blood.

I understand the sensitivity. I’ve seen how some of the anti-islamist blogs have gone after some of the Euro parties.

Its easy to call it bloodlust when its some other poor schlub’s family who are being accomodated to Islam i.e. raped/murdered/converted.

aengus on November 26, 2008 at 11:44 PM

Europe just forces itself to vacillate between extremes. As sharrukin mentioned, the Left has such control of power in Europe (and especially in the EU) that they leave no room for a decent conservative opposition to arise, as they demonize all non-leftists (as some of the anti-islamist blogs here have also done).

progressoverpeace on November 27, 2008 at 12:01 AM

bullseye on November 26, 2008 at 11:58 PM

Apparently the Terrorists did not get the memo.

So is the Obama Administration going to treat these Acts of Terror as Hostile Acts or just crimes?

In other words, will it be “Hunt Down the Terrorists” or “Arrest them and put them on Trial?”

kingsjester on November 27, 2008 at 12:02 AM

Arrest them and put them on Trial?”

kingsjester on November 27, 2008 at 12:02 AM

Well, his AGs law firm is the one who brought Miranda to the Supremes.

Limerick on November 27, 2008 at 12:06 AM

Sorry DHS head.

Limerick on November 27, 2008 at 12:07 AM

I’m waiting for Obama to ask that the Indian government stop their aggression

wait wait … we have breaking news, the “President-Elect” has issued a statement …

Listen, I called the Prime Minister of India, ok … I told him, look you need to stop the aggression there, both sides need to stop. What, what we need to do … look, we don’t like war, um, we need to negotiate without pre-conditions. The failed policies of the last eight years have led to this. The world has always looked to the United States in times like this, we um … we need to change that. The office of the President-Elect is looking forward to talking to the people who did this, that is my policy, they need green jobs in India. We we well listen, we need to end global warming … if we would just inflate our tires.

joey24007 on November 27, 2008 at 12:07 AM

SgtSVJones on November 27, 2008 at 12:00 AM

Please, Mossad, lend us your expertise and help us chase these scum down.
You know, what with the Russians pissed off with the Muslims over Beslan and Chechnya; the Chinese leery over the Uighur separatists; the Indians and their ongoing problems with their idiot Muslim population; Europe bitterly regretting the Islamic cuckoo in its midst; the Israelis….well, nuff said.
Why can’t we just get together to deal with this “religion” of fu’ckers? We can go back to fighting amongst ourselves afterwards. Meanwhile, everyone hates the Muslims, quite reasonably in my opinion. It’s a mistake to think we can play them (Muslims) off against each other. IMHO.

Fortunata on November 27, 2008 at 12:10 AM

It’s a mistake to think we can play them (Muslims) off against each other. IMHO.

Fortunata on November 27, 2008 at 12:10 AM

I agree. Muslim on muslim war would be fine, except that it could never be contained. The losing side would start bombing others (non-muslims) just to pull them in and change the dynamics of the fight, as they’ve always done in the past. People, nowadays, forget that “terrorism” in the 1970′s wasn’t about attacking civilians, it was about attacking unrelated third parties to draw attention and support. Muslim on muslim fighting is like nuclear fusion, impossible to contain enough for it to be more productive than destructive.

And, if muslims were fighting each other, they’d destroy the whole middle east, including all of the oil fields.

progressoverpeace on November 27, 2008 at 12:17 AM

Looks like a mother and child from Nariman house got out. Child was wailing, according to the reporter.

mram on November 27, 2008 at 12:17 AM

I wasn’t born to walk on water
I wasn’t born to sack and slaughter
But on my soul, I wasn’t born
To stoop and knuckle under
A man can learn to steal some thunder
A man can learn to work some wonder
And when the gauntlet’s down,
It’s time to rise and climb the sky
And soon the moon will smolder
And the winds will drive
Yes, a man grows older but his soul remains alive
All those tremulous stars still glitter
And I will survive!
Let my heart grow colder and as bitter as a falcon in the dive

There was a dream, a dying ember
There was a dream, I don’t remember
But I will resurrect that dream
Though rivers stream and hills grow steeper
For here in hell where life gets cheaper
Oh, here in hell the blood runs deeper
And when the final duel is near
I’ll lift my spear and fly
Piercing into the sky and higher
And the strong will thrive
Yes, the weak will cower while the fittest will survive
If we wait for the darkest hour
Till we spring alive
Then with claws of fire, we devour like a falcon in the dive

PercyB on November 27, 2008 at 12:21 AM

You wouldn’t be saying that if it were members of your family that risked being raped and butchered. Self-defense does not equal fascism.

aengus on November 26, 2008 at 11:31 PM

A Swiss ‘extremist’ against Islamic law

One litmus test I applied to the many politicians on the European Right I’ve recently interviewed concerned their views on Israel. As supposed “extremists,” “fascists,” even “neo-Nazis,” what would they say?

I asked Freysinger where Israel fits into his worldview. “Our party has always defended Israel because we are well aware that if Israel disappears, we lose a vanguard,” he replied. “They are fighting now our fight in fact; and as long as the Muslims are concentrated on Israel, it is not so hard for us. But as soon as Israel will have disappeared, well, they will come to get the other part.”

I think by “the other part” he meant the rest of the West. In this outlook, Freysinger is by no means alone on the European Right: members of other such parties — for example, Belgium’s Vlaams Belang, the Danish People’s Party and Holland’s Freedom Party — explained to me how they find in Israel’s struggle against both Islamization and jihad common cause.

“The right-wing parties should join their forces to fight Islamization,” Freysinger said.

Good idea.
- Diana West

MB4 on November 27, 2008 at 12:27 AM

And, if muslims were fighting each other, they’d destroy the whole middle east, including all of the oil fields.

progressoverpeace on November 27, 2008 at 12:17 AM

You say that as if that’s a bad thing. Me, I’ve got some serious bloodlust going. I’d like to see millions of Muslims die. Or do it myself, if I could. It would be no great loss, really.

Fortunata on November 27, 2008 at 12:29 AM

2 Indian Navy personnel shot…1 in critical condition

Indian Vice Admiral Bedi says 4-5 terrorists remain alive and shooting in Nariman House same number of terrorists in Taj Mahal

45 hostages still in Taj Mahal. Taj eyewitnesses are reporting machine gun fire in the lobby.

it is now 10:59am Mumbai time

Indian Prime Minister Advani: This is a continuation of the attacks of the late 80s and early 90′s. This operation must have been planned for months

SgtSVJones on November 27, 2008 at 12:31 AM

Fortunata on November 27, 2008 at 12:29 AM

It’s the oil fields that concern me.

progressoverpeace on November 27, 2008 at 12:33 AM

101 fatalities at this time 200+ injured

SgtSVJones on November 27, 2008 at 12:33 AM

5 foreign tourists still being held in Oberoi hotel by terrorists

3 terrorists killed in the Taj Mahal Hotel

SgtSVJones on November 27, 2008 at 12:38 AM

The U.S. embassy in Kabul has been hit by a suicide bomber. The bombing was targeted at westerners entering the compound for a Thanksgiving Day footrace. At least one confirmed dead, police claim there’s more.

amerpundit on November 27, 2008 at 12:41 AM

I do web design on the side, and I’ve been working for a guy who JUST got back from India – I was afraid he was still there when I heard about this today. This is just horrible.

capitalist piglet on November 27, 2008 at 12:42 AM

That is why I suggested that the US should have warned the islamics that if ONE nuke ever goes off in the US then they can kiss Mecca goodbye. The loss of the major source of their belief would be enough to deter such an attack.

William Amos on November 26, 2008 at 10:51 PM

Funny. I remember when certain rightwing pundits were aghast at the mere mention of nuking Mecca. “It will make them angreeee!!!” And this was after 9/11.

baldilocks on November 27, 2008 at 12:43 AM

Update: There have been six separate explosions at the Hotel Taj, apparently, and 10 separate attacks across the city in all, according to IBN. I would never have guessed that any terror group was capable of pulling this off, be it AQ, Hezbollah, or whoever

You need
1. explosives and/or guns
2. cash
3. enough people willing to get busted
4. a list of places to go and a small amount of inside information optional
5. something to tell time

Very easy. For non criminals, the explosives would be difficult. For people in the terror net, that is easy. For people with money, I recall driving in a cab past a bar being entered by cops with guns drawn, and the cabbie telling me “you can buy anything in that place, a rocket laucher if you want”. He was being facetious since this was Detroit. It meant most drugs and most guns. It doesn’t matter if your circle is gangs, dealers, or terrorists, you can get a lot of stuff if you are willing to chance getting capped during the deal

It is interesting there are not more such attacks. Jihadist rhetoric says they all want to go up in flames. However, since most of these groups operate in small cells with leaders, these jihadists are dying for the cell leader which can be less inspiring than a distant figurehead like the Emperor of Japan in WWII. To die for a leader who will be eating well the next week is an inhibiting factor.

entagor on November 27, 2008 at 12:45 AM

Large bags of cash were found at the Oberoi hotel and the Navy personnel who were wounded were special commandos attached to the NSG for anti-terror purposes.

The one in critical condition is believed to be dead at this time :(

SgtSVJones on November 27, 2008 at 12:47 AM

Why do I have the feeling that this is a test run?

The two isolated attacks to the north of Mumbai seem to be diversions. Drawing resources north as the blow lands to the south. The hospital attack is most worrying to me. It insures that local casualties would further suffer while being transported far from the site of the attacks.

Thanks, SgtSG, for the IBN link.

Limerick on November 27, 2008 at 12:50 AM

And The Terrorists say: “GOOD MORNING!!!!”

To President-Elect Obama. This is the first attack ON HIS WATCH!!

HOW do I know this? Because the Mainstream Terrorist Media HAVE TOLD US: OBAMA IS ALREADY IN OFFICE!!!!

grtflmark on November 27, 2008 at 12:57 AM

Jonsey signing off at this time too friggin tired…need to pass this info off onto my 35F buddy down at Ft. Bliss when I wake up.

SgtSVJones on November 27, 2008 at 12:59 AM

I am so thankful to live in the U.S.

blatantblue on November 27, 2008 at 1:03 AM

I knew it, Peeps…stayed up late to see if such a fool would be on TV…A**HOLE Dpak Chopra, wellness guru (big time Obama supporter)was just on CNN saying that the killing in Mumbai is all US fault! Just like 9-11. We know where these terrorists are and who’s harboring them. Time to nuke these terrorist cells and those harboring them.

gracie on November 27, 2008 at 1:06 AM

Dear God!

From the IBN report the terrorists headed to the Cama Hospital and ambushed the head of the security forces. These SOBs knew where the anti-terror chiefs would go to coordinate the operations. They ambushed them in their car as they drove up to the hospital.

Limerick on November 27, 2008 at 1:10 AM

What would the Romans do?

trigon on November 27, 2008 at 1:12 AM

The more I see the work of these Muslims I know they came from the breath of the devil. How can anyone just destroy, kill maime, and then attack hospitals? The Good Book says that Satan will intensify his attacks in the last days knowing his time is short. Let the Lord help us all and we should pray for our leaders at times like this.

garydt on November 27, 2008 at 1:15 AM

You say that as if that’s a bad thing. Me, I’ve got some serious bloodlust going. I’d like to see millions of Muslims die. Or do it myself, if I could. It would be no great loss, really.

Fortunata on November 27, 2008 at 12:29 AM

Easy there, killer. Take a deep breath.
I feel like you’ve got some anger issues.
Maybe you ought to get a puppy or something?

e-pirate on November 27, 2008 at 1:31 AM

SgtSVJones on November 27, 2008 at 12:59 AM

Great job with the updates. Thank you, Sgt.

progressoverpeace on November 27, 2008 at 1:32 AM

clearly Mumbai was attacked because they have troops stationed in the holy land(Saudi Arabia) and for no other reason(economic center).

/paultard

jp on November 27, 2008 at 1:32 AM

Hi, all: Am in Mumbai (Bandra area). Latest reports here say Intel claiming “Deccan Mujahadeen” is a red herring and “foreign elements” at play i.e. Pakistani terrorist.

Our friends were supposed to do dinner at the Oberoi last night. Thank goodness for a migrane headache.

Another report says 2 US intel officers have been killed at the Taj.

This is not over yet.

Renwaa on November 27, 2008 at 1:35 AM

Why can’t we just get together to deal with this “religion” of fu’ckers? We can go back to fighting amongst ourselves afterwards. Meanwhile, everyone hates the Muslims, quite reasonably in my opinion. It’s a mistake to think we can play them (Muslims) off against each other. IMHO.

Fortunata on November 27, 2008 at 12:10 AM

We’re definitely on the same wavelength. The reason we’re not working to eliminate Islam is simply because the vast majority of the West still buys into the lie that Islam is ‘peaceful’ and we’re fighting a small number of ‘radicals’, which is of course patently false.

Also throw in complete ignorance (of this death cult), cowardice, complacency, apathy and complicity with our enemies and you can see why its difficult to rouse the masses to action. Bush had a golden opportunity after 9/11 to educate the populace and mobilize the country for war, the trouble was neither he, nor those around him figured out who or what we’re fighting. Though by now at least most conservatives seem to know.

Things will get much worse while Obama and the liberals are in power who’ll continue to pretend Islamic Imperialism doesn’t exist or its not our problem, or its our own fault, no matter how many muslim terrorist bombs are going off. The only time any progress will be made is when we get right-wing parties in power. Meanwhile we all need to start grassroots movements to fight Islamization (creeping sharia) within our countries. We really are in a fight for survival of western civilization and most people don’t know it yet.

thinkagain on November 27, 2008 at 1:36 AM

Renwaa on November 27, 2008 at 1:35 AM

Good luck and sit tight.

Unless our flight plans get changed, I’m leaving for Mumbai on Sunday.

I’ve stayed at the Taj 4 times in the past year… don’t think we will be there this trip.

e-pirate on November 27, 2008 at 1:41 AM

e-pirate on November 27, 2008 at 1:41 AM

We’re home. It’s quiet here when it’s usually chaotic traffic. My husbands office is closed and so is my son’s school (close to where the reported shots were at the JW Mariott in Juhu). The top group CEO from his company was here day before yesterday and one division (not his) met at the Oberoi on Tues night for dinner. It would’ve been all the top bosses from the region including the CEO from Copenhagen. Unreal.

Renwaa on November 27, 2008 at 1:46 AM

Think Again ,,, you are on to something. Can you imagine if these evil folks managed to blow up the White House or the US capitol? Then maybe the libbys and lefties would acknowledge the evil of the Islam religion. Takes alot to wake up the dead doesn’t it?

garydt on November 27, 2008 at 1:47 AM

This is horrible! And we are suppose to set tight, go on as we do? Little boys? Is this what Nobama has planned for the kids at camps? This is friggin crazy! There will be something that will happen here in our Country! You can bet on it. I don’t want this to happen, but we for years have been encouraging this type of sick shit! I pray for ones that are in India. What are we going to do? Has Bush said anything? Or is he going to white wash this? I am very upset.

sheebe on November 27, 2008 at 1:53 AM

Think Again ,,, you are on to something. Can you imagine if these evil folks managed to blow up the White House or the US capitol? Then maybe the libbys and lefties would acknowledge the evil of the Islam religion. Takes alot to wake up the dead doesn’t it?

garydt on November 27, 2008 at 1:47 AM

You are right! About time someone says Islamic! This is what this is!

sheebe on November 27, 2008 at 1:54 AM

I am so thankful to live in the U.S.

blatantblue on November 27, 2008 at 1:03 A

Thankful? You don’t think this could happen here? Wake Up! This could very well happen here!

sheebe on November 27, 2008 at 1:56 AM

It seems all our Thanksgiving prayers will be rewritten tomorrow.

India, America weeps.

Limerick on November 27, 2008 at 1:58 AM

The word from some of the bubbas ive been talking to say that this is a feint to distract pakistan (LeT), they just said that on CNN International too.

Squid Shark on November 27, 2008 at 2:01 AM

Has Bush said anything? Or is he going to white wash this? I am very upset.

sheebe on November 27, 2008 at 1:53 AM

Yes, Bush has issued a statement, and he is undoubtedly working in the background. Why on earth would you think he is “going to white wash this”? He has been very strong on this issue, and he’s faced a headwind.

capitalist piglet on November 27, 2008 at 2:03 AM

It seems all our Thanksgiving prayers will be rewritten tomorrow.

India, America weeps.

Limerick on November 27, 2008 at 1:58 AM

Yes, we do India.

sheebe on November 27, 2008 at 2:04 AM

Squid Shark on November 27, 2008 at 2:01 AM

Yeah, they are reporting that here, but the thing is, the Pakistanis don’t have a history of going after tourists. So, I wouldn’t discount the Deccan Mujahadeen just yet. With a falling tourism problem (econ crisis), which sounds scarier to you–perhaps some random Pakistani bad guys, or an AQ offshoot/wannabee islamists….

The islamists have been bombing India since we got here in April so why now the Pakis?

Renwaa on November 27, 2008 at 2:07 AM

The word from some of the bubbas ive been talking to say that this is a feint to distract pakistan (LeT), they just said that on CNN International too.

Squid Shark on November 27, 2008 at 2:01 AM

The attacks were in India. What do you mean distract Pakistan?

sharrukin on November 27, 2008 at 2:10 AM

Terrorists were in touch with Karachi via satphones. “According to sources, for some time the directions kept coming “live” to the terrorists in Mumbai via satellite phones.” According to highly reliable intelligence sources, two boatfuls of weapons and some 18-20 terrorists most likely came from Karachi in Pakistan.

http://www.rediff.com/news/2008/nov/27mum-terrorists-in-touch-with-karachi-via-satphone.htm

sharrukin on November 27, 2008 at 2:11 AM

Yes, Bush has issued a statement, and he is undoubtedly working in the background. Why on earth would you think he is “going to white wash this”? He has been very strong on this issue, and he’s faced a headwind.

capitalist piglet on November 27, 2008 at 2:03 AM

Well Mr piglet, maybe because if you haven’t noticed. Bush has white washed a few things! I just hope he does something about this and now! Not to wait until The One takes office! He needs to do something now!!

sheebe on November 27, 2008 at 2:27 AM

sharrukin on November 27, 2008 at 2:11 AM

Interesting, it’s definitely a much more sophisticated attack than the recent bombings of the home grown islamists. Before, it was “just” bombs on trains, back of bikes, cars. This adds people and guns.

Renwaa on November 27, 2008 at 2:31 AM

Maybe, just maybe we should stop treating these people with “Political Correctness” and go back to tactics that they can actually understand……….,

…………….. lest they visit the local elementary school that your children attend?

Seven Percent Solution on November 27, 2008 at 2:35 AM

sheebe on November 27, 2008 at 2:27 AM

sheebe, no offence, but you don’t know what you are talking about. This is a complicated region and the India/Pakistan tension has been since partition. You don’t need Pres Bush conspiracies to get whacked out incidents here done all on their own.

Besides, wtf can Bush do? Get a grip.

Renwaa on November 27, 2008 at 2:35 AM

sheebe, no offence, but you don’t know what you are talking about. This is a complicated region and the India/Pakistan tension has been since partition. You don’t need Pres Bush conspiracies to get whacked out incidents here done all on their own.

Besides, wtf can Bush do? Get a grip.

Renwaa on November 27, 2008 at 2:35 AM

I think she is talking about his portraying Islam as a religion of peace.

sharrukin on November 27, 2008 at 2:39 AM

It’s the oil fields that concern me.

progressoverpeace on November 27, 2008 at 12:33 AM

Filthy hajis have so much spite that leaving behind anything for us “western infidels” would cause them to turn over in their sand graves.

Disgusting set of animals, those muslims.

leetpriest on November 27, 2008 at 2:43 AM

sheebe, no offence, but you don’t know what you are talking about. This is a complicated region and the India/Pakistan tension has been since partition. You don’t need Pres Bush conspiracies to get whacked out incidents here done all on their own.

Besides, wtf can Bush do? Get a grip.

Renwaa on November 27, 2008 at 2:35 AM

I think she is talking about his portraying Islam as a religion of peace.

sharrukin on November 27, 2008 at 2:39 AM

That is what I meant. At least that is what he had said to us. Right? Or have I been on a acid trip for a long time? Thanks sharrukin

sheebe on November 27, 2008 at 2:46 AM

I do know it is a complicated region. Been fighting for years and years. Nothing that us the American’s understand. Still, was a horrible act. No matter where it happened.

sheebe on November 27, 2008 at 2:49 AM

I wonder if the Pakistani intelligence agency the ISI could have backed it as a way to destabilize the new civilian government?

sharrukin on November 27, 2008 at 2:57 AM

I wonder if the Pakistani intelligence agency the ISI could have backed it as a way to destabilize the new civilian government?

sharrukin on November 27, 2008 at 2:57 AM

I been wondering that myself. I never felt good being allies with Pakistan. Lord knows why. I think it was Hawk that explained why Pakistan is important. US embassy attacked in Kabul today, 4 killed. Is not a easy feeling for sure. India has been a strong ally to us. Is why I am pretty mad about what happened. A few weeks ago, the head of the FBI announced that they would no longer use the word Islamic. Even the head of the Home Land Security said same thing. Wonder what that is all about? Political correctness? That attitude is what is getting us in trouble. We are not cowards!

sheebe on November 27, 2008 at 3:02 AM

A few weeks ago, the head of the FBI announced that they would no longer use the word Islamic. Even the head of the Home Land Security said same thing. Wonder what that is all about? Political correctness? That attitude is what is getting us in trouble. We are not cowards!

sheebe on November 27, 2008 at 3:02 AM

You know, if we are too afraid to even name our enemy we sure as heck will never defeat them. I do appreciate what Bush did, but between the ports deal, bringing in 10,000 Saudi students to the US, an unsecured southern border, and politically correct pandering he has taken too many missteps in which he should have known better.

sharrukin on November 27, 2008 at 3:10 AM

That is what I meant. At least that is what he had said to us. Right? Or have I been on a acid trip for a long time? Thanks sharrukin

sheebe on November 27, 2008 at 2:46 AM

Ok, then my apologies, and I agree with you on the “religion of peace” thing. The problem is, you can’t expect Bush to condemn an entire religion. It’s just not going to happen.

They’ve now identified 5 of the 6 foreigners killed, but not released names. The British high commissioner is here from Delhi and would expect the US Ambassador here to meet with the consul general. The terrorists have made their way into the new part of the Taj hotel with a large group of hostages. It changes minute by minute depending on which of the 25 news channels you watch.

Renwaa on November 27, 2008 at 3:12 AM

You know, if we are too afraid to even name our enemy we sure as heck will never defeat them. I do appreciate what Bush did, but between the ports deal, bringing in 10,000 Saudi students to the US, an unsecured southern border, and politically correct pandering he has taken too many missteps in which he should have known better.

sharrukin on November 27, 2008 at 3:10 AM

I totally agree. And here they ignore our borders, and the illegals.

sheebe on November 27, 2008 at 3:13 AM

but between the ports deal

I’m in the logistics biz, the ports deal hysteria was a joke. It was a political stunt to scare the US citizens, but Bush didn’t help by using the term “port” when he should’ve been “terminal”. US workers would have been employed and have to follow US labor laws. They would’ve managed a terminal within the port, not the entire port. The Danes with APMT and Chinese with CT already run ports the exact same way DPW would’ve done it. Besides, you need to check cargo AT ORIGIN, not destination so the entire logic behind the complaints was not logical. Pissing them off doesn’t help us with security assistance either.

Renwaa on November 27, 2008 at 3:22 AM

This operation is very similar to 70′s-90′s FATAH/PFLP/PLF operations, but on a larger scale.

Aristotle on November 27, 2008 at 3:24 AM

Aristotle on November 27, 2008 at 3:24 AM

Yep. Straight from the big daddies of international terrorism. We really showed them … gave them immunity and a state to run their operations from.

progressoverpeace on November 27, 2008 at 3:37 AM

Think Again ,,, you are on to something. Can you imagine if these evil folks managed to blow up the White House or the US capitol? Then maybe the libbys and lefties would acknowledge the evil of the Islam religion. Takes alot to wake up the dead doesn’t it?

garydt on November 27, 2008 at 1:47 AM

Indeed, it really boils down to education, either people will learn the hard way (from more terrorism, death, mayhem) or the easy way, by researching Islam and its history of thousands of jihads/conquests/wars against non-muslim (infidel) lands, the destruction of past civilizations and the slaughter of 270 million people over 1400 years.

However whether people accept the truth-that we’re at war with Islam, is another matter. Most people prefer to stick their heads in the sand and pretend its not happening-primarily liberals/leftists. They will formulate all kinds of rationalizations to avoid facing the reality that if we don’t fight and defeat this fascist totalitarian ideology/death cult, we’ll be enslaved or killed by it.

You are right! About time someone says Islamic! This is what this is!

sheebe on November 27, 2008 at 1:54 AM

Absolutely, apologists for Islam work diligently to make sure that we don’t connect the dots and realize that what they label as ‘ethnic’ or ‘regional’ conflicts like Arabs vs Israelis, Indians vs Pakistanis, Serbs vs Croats, etc. are really muslims fighting against non-muslims.

Had our leaders gained this simple yet profound insight, they’d know who their friends and enemies were and work sooner to unite democratic societies to defeat this medieval global scourge we’re all having to face. Still its not too late, but the time to act is now before muslims become majorities in our countries.

I’m reminded of a quote by eminent historian Will Durant in The Story of Civilization: “…the Islamic conquest of India is probably the bloodiest story in history. It is a discouraging tale, for its evident moral is that civilization is a precious good, whose delicate complex order and freedom can at any moment be overthrown by barbarians invading from without and multiplying from within.” …The bitter lesson that may be drawn from this tragedy is that eternal vigilance is the price of civilization. A nation must love peace, but keep its powder dry.

thinkagain on November 27, 2008 at 3:42 AM

I’m in the logistics biz, the ports deal hysteria was a joke. It was a political stunt to scare the US citizens, but Bush didn’t help by using the term “port” when he should’ve been “terminal”. US workers would have been employed and have to follow US labor laws. They would’ve managed a terminal within the port, not the entire port. The Danes with APMT and Chinese with CT already run ports the exact same way DPW would’ve done it. Besides, you need to check cargo AT ORIGIN, not destination so the entire logic behind the complaints was not logical. Pissing them off doesn’t help us with security assistance either.

Renwaa on November 27, 2008 at 3:22 AM

One of the biggest problems they have is a lack of credibility. They lie and deceive too often for the average guy to trust them.

The Danes and Chinese haven’t conducted numerous terrorist attacks against western targets. The problem with the Dubai Ports deal was trusting the executives from DP not to assist Jihadi’s. Most wouldn’t, but some would. Osama Bin Laden was after all a Saudi national. Most of the terrorists came from the Gulf States, and the financing was done there as well. It only takes a few, or even one in the right place.

The Maritime Transportation Security Act of 2002, as implemented by the Coast Guard, calls for owners and operators of about 3,150 port facilities (such as shipping terminals or factories with hazardous materials) and about 9,200 vessels (such as cargo ships, ferries, and tugs and barges) to develop and implement security plans by July 1, 2004.

In this environment, MTSA required owners and operators of facilities and vessels to conduct assessments that would identify their security vulnerabilities and to develop security plans to mitigate these vulnerabilities. Under the Coast Guard’s implementing regulations, these plans are to include such items as measures for access control, responses to security threats, and drills and exercises to train staff and test the plan. The plans are “performance-based,” meaning that the security outcomes were specified, but the stakeholders were free to identify and implement whatever measures they desired as long as these measures achieved the specified outcomes.

Dubai Ports to the extent that their company is involved in the security plans, would have knowledge of the security precautions and plans at these ports. Passing them on to interested parties would be Child’s play. As to US citizens being employed? Recent news; Government sources believe that as many as 40 young men who knew Ahmed, recently left Minnesota without telling their families. It is believed they are headed for Somalia to fight with Al Qaeda. The individuals administering Dubai Ports could easily hire on the needed Jihadi’s from within the US. They could easily have facilitated the clearance of a shipment through compromised security arrangements or faked paperwork, etc.

sharrukin on November 27, 2008 at 4:05 AM

sharrukin on November 27, 2008 at 4:05 AM

Look, you’re missing the larger point. Security is done AT ORIGIN i.e. in their home countries. They already know security plans to get something on from there if they want because they have to be involved. I’d be more worried about a smaller vessel coming in from the Caribbean under cover of night with lousy gov’t control of ports over there than a large cargo container with regulations, US workers and US Customs going in and out. Someone has to receive the documents and they have to be filed with Fed ID numbers or SSN that match at least 24 hrs before arrival of the vessel.
The process starts weeks before from the ME. The Caribbean is much closer and Trinidad, for example, has a jihadi problem.

As for the Somalis leaving MN, good. They are a cancer on my home State and the churches who sponsored this plague back in the 90s were naive fools. As for them all taking jobs at the ports, what’s not stopping them from joining now? You’re still reaching on the port deal tho.

Renwaa on November 27, 2008 at 4:36 AM

I hear rumors from friends with sources in India that Indians cought some Saudi nationals. Can anyone confirm?

Aristotle on November 27, 2008 at 4:51 AM

Renwaa on November 27, 2008 at 4:36 AM

The paperwork, SSN, could in all likelyhood be forged by someone working with the company.

As to the southern route, I can’t really argue as I don’t know what the chances of a Coast Guard intercept/inspection would be.

sharrukin on November 27, 2008 at 4:52 AM

It’s the oil fields that concern me.

progressoverpeace on November 27, 2008 at 12:33 AM

The oil is underground , it won’t get radioactive.

And then you got Alaska and Canadian oil sand.

the_nile on November 27, 2008 at 5:20 AM

American Power has tracked-back with, “Thinking Clearly About Global Terrorism”:

http://americanpowerblog.blogspot.com/2008/11/thinking-clearly-about-global-terrorism.html

Donald Douglas on November 27, 2008 at 5:21 AM

I am in India and terror has become very common and cheap here. Every other month, tehre is a bomb blast somewhere. But this looks like something straight out of The Dark Knight. They have targeted hopsitals even.

AP,it’s not just Americans/Britas; you missed the part about Jews. they have taken a residential complex where Jews/Israelis are said to be living hostage. Tehre is a big army operation going on right now to evcuate them.

Apparently, all the terrorists came via ship to Mumbai and the Navy is in hot pursuit.

promachus on November 27, 2008 at 6:02 AM

People are also speculating here that this could the testing that Biden said Obama will get.

I just want to start a pool on when Obama will decide that he is no man enough to stop terrorists and will step down as President.

promachus on November 27, 2008 at 6:05 AM

This world disgusts me. I look forward to the next one. Which is coming soon.

God be with the families of the victims.

YoungAmerican on November 27, 2008 at 6:14 AM

Apparently, all the terrorists came via ship to Mumbai and the Navy is in hot pursuit.

promachus on November 27, 2008 at 6:02 AM

Is it true that the ship allegedly arrived from Pakistan?
Is it true that Saudi nationals were captured?

What are the rumors in India right now?

Aristotle on November 27, 2008 at 6:19 AM

Is it true that the ship allegedly arrived from Pakistan?
Is it true that Saudi nationals were captured?

What are the rumors in India right now?

Aristotle on November 27, 2008 at 6:19 AM

1) Yes, that is what is being reported. They even named the vessel, but don’t have that in front of me now. It was reported along the coast by Gujarat (northern state to Maharastra where Mumbai is)being chased.

2) No mention of Saudi involvement on any of the local CNN Int’l or BBC World I’ve heard so far.

3) There was a Rabbi and his family freed from the house in Nariman point a few hours ago

4) Just as an FYI, the Trident and Oberoi are one hotel. It’s was being reported as 2 separate places. TRIDENT OBEROI hotel.

5) There is a lot of conflicting news reports now. The Times of India are reporting all hostages freed from Taj, but at the same time still saying people are trapped inside (guests hiding?) It’s going to be days before this is sorted out, which is to be expected.

6) There is no doubt that Americans and Brits have been targeted within the hotels.

Renwaa on November 27, 2008 at 6:27 AM

The paperwork, SSN, could in all likelyhood be forged by someone working with the company.

As to the southern route, I can’t really argue as I don’t know what the chances of a Coast Guard intercept/inspection would be.

sharrukin on November 27, 2008 at 4:52 A

Look, we’re going to have to agree to disagree. I stand by what I wrote by living in the shipping world. We are in India as my husband is employed with a major int’l shipping company and I am a freight forwarder by trade (but home raising the kids as expat spouse for now).

Renwaa on November 27, 2008 at 6:31 AM

Here’s what the terrorists said:

There are seven of us inside hotel Oberoi,” the man identified as Sahadullah told the channel. “We want all Mujahideens held in India released and only after that we will release the people.”

The terrorist said he belonged to an Indian Islamist group that is seeking an end to the persecution of Indian Muslims.

Identifying himself as a member of a group calling itself Deccan Mujahedeen, the gunman, who was holed up in the Oberoi Trident Hotel, called for the release of all fellow Islamic militants detained in India.

“Muslims in India should not be persecuted. We love this as our country but when our mothers and sisters were being killed, where was everybody?” he told the channel by phone from inside the hotel, which is surrounded by army commandos.

“Release all the Mujahideens, and Muslims living in India should not be troubled,” he said.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Army_storms_Mumbais_besieged_five-star_hotels_/articleshow/3762100.cms

Renwaa on November 27, 2008 at 6:34 AM

People are also speculating here that this could the testing that Biden said Obama will get.

promachus on November 27, 2008 at 6:05 AM

I doubt that. It wouldn’t be much of a “test” of Obama since Obama is not in office yet. As has been pointed out here several times, “The Office of the President-Elect” does not exist (except in Obama’s own narcissistic mind) and has no actual powers; it’s nothing more than another one of Obama’s petty conceits. George Bush is the President of the United States, and will remain so until January, 2009.

This may, however, have been something of a test run for something bigger that AQ is planning for the future when Obama is actually in office.

AZCoyote on November 27, 2008 at 6:54 AM

They still have hostages

rob verdi on November 27, 2008 at 7:13 AM

They still have hostages

rob verdi on November 27, 2008 at 7:13 AM

Yes, 40 hostages reported at the Trident Oberoi hotel. The commandos did get one terrorist named Ismail from Kandirot (sp?) Pakistan

Taj on fire again. Damn.

Renwaa on November 27, 2008 at 7:16 AM

Video timeline here.

Buy Danish on November 27, 2008 at 7:29 AM

Is anybody making a connection to the land routes to Afghanistan, which run through Pakistan? An India-Pakistan war, even a little one, would make it difficult and dangerous to supply our forces there.

dhimwit on November 27, 2008 at 8:04 AM

Worldwide terrorism envisions the United States as disunited and in a state of moral and fiscal decline, which makes it vulnerable to attack from within and outside the country. One of their major goals has always been to destroy the free market economy, cause panic and attack at the weakest points. The recent financial meltdown and contentious election process has created conditions favorable for terrorism and with no viable solution in sight; we can expect much more of this . . . very sad but true..

rplat on November 27, 2008 at 8:11 AM

Suddenly Gitmo is looking pretty good isn’t it Obama?

eaglewingz08 on November 27, 2008 at 8:32 AM

People are also speculating here that this could the testing that Biden said Obama will get.

promachus on November 27, 2008 at 6:05 AM

Hell yes it is a test. They are testing Mr 0′s resolve. They want to see just how good a speech he delivers in a time of crisis.

Pelayo on November 27, 2008 at 8:37 AM

Hell yes it is a test. They are testing Mr 0’s resolve. They want to see just how good a speech he delivers in a time of crisis.

Pelayo on November 27, 2008 at 8:37 AM

Don’t worry , the teleprompter got redundant power supply.

the_nile on November 27, 2008 at 8:43 AM

This is the result of a war of half measures. Pakistan has been harbouring these dudes since forever. The vaunted “Spring Offensives” in Afghanistan are launched from Pakistan. A hotbed of terrorists ignored because Pakistan is an ally or something.

Krydor on November 27, 2008 at 9:09 AM

Don’t worry. The fictional Office of the President-Elect is in control. He has gotten his thesaurus out and is preparing to use the strongest words possible against these “criminals”.

God help us all.

kingsjester on November 27, 2008 at 9:40 AM

Looks like Pakistan is getting tagged “it”.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/27940231

a capella on November 27, 2008 at 9:55 AM

Looks like Pakistan is getting tagged “it”.

…or elements inside the Pakistan government. Perhaps they think a war with India would promote the establishment of a jhadist government. Perhaps the purpose is to cut the supply routes to the NATO armies in Afghanistan and end that war in Islam’s favor. Things could get out of hand. This could be a 1914 moment.

dhimwit on November 27, 2008 at 10:16 AM

Obama is endorsed as the messiah by nation of islam. Get ready for much more of this. Get ready for something done south too. I bet Colombia doesn’t like having the Russian navy visiting next door.

gringo69 on November 27, 2008 at 10:30 AM

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