Massive terror plot in Mumbai; 80 dead, 250+ injured; Update: 900 injured; Update: “Chatter” points to Al Qaeda? Update: 10 separate attacks

posted at 3:03 pm on November 26, 2008 by Allahpundit

Awful, and doubly worrisome in light of the FBI alert issued this morning for the NYC subway system. According to CNN, they hit the airport, two hotels, a cafe, a railway station and a gas station — and there may be more on the way. The Foreign Ministry’s opened a war room to deal with it.

Has there ever been an attack with this many targets?

Armed with AK-47 rifles and grenades, a couple of terrorists entered the passenger hall of CST and opened fire and threw grenades, Mumbai General Railway Police Commissioner A K Sharma said.

The terror strike which began at 10:33 PM at Chhatrapathi Shivaji Terminus(CST), formerly known as the Victoria Terminus(VT), claimed 10 lives in the premises of the station alone, police said.

Three persons were killed in a bomb explosion in a taxi on Mazegaon dockyard road and an equal number were gunned down at Taj Hotel. The victims in the hotel were its employees.

The lobby of the Oberoi hotel was on fire and the hotel evacuated, eyewitnesses said.

Maharashtra DGP A N Roy said tonight’s attack in “at least seven places” is a “terror strike.”

No word yet on how many are involved, but the fact that they’re using guns and grenades instead of suicide bombs makes me wonder if this isn’t some homegrown group or a Pakistani jihadi outfit like Lashkar e-Taiba instead of AQ. LeT members were arrested in connection with the last attack on Mumbai, so there’s precedent. You might be hearing the name “Dawood Ibrahim” pop up in the coming hours, too; revisit this post by our old friend Clint Taylor for essential background.

Update: As expected, Counterterrorism Blog points the finger at LeT and a native Islamic student group.

Update: DrewM at Ace’s site claims that the hotel attackers demanded American hostages among the guests, specifically.

Update: Total chaos.


Update: At the Standard, Thomas Joscelyn asks a question wonders if an attack of this scale and coordination doesn’t point to Pakistan’s ISI.

Most, if not all, of the targets are places that cater to westerners – restaurants, hotels, trains, etc. Moreover, the terrorists have laid siege to a couple of hotels and the terrorists are incredibly mobile, moving from location to location. The attacks are ongoing and the casualty count keeps rising. The result is a traumatized city and nation.

It is too early to tell with any precision who is behind these attacks. The smart money is on the multi-headed hydra of terrorist and extremist groups based in Pakistan and Kashmir. Indeed, Pakistan’s intelligence service has waged a proxy war against India using terrorists for decades. The two nuclear powers have avoided a large-scale exchange, but the Pakistani ISI has repeatedly sponsored or aided terrorist groups targeting civilians in India. For example, Indian authorities were quite vocal in blaming Pakistan for the July 11, 2006 train bombings, which killed more than 200.

Update: A clue, maybe, as to how they pulled this off without no one noticing anything. How young are we talking about here?

“They were very young, like boys really, wearing jeans and T-shirts,” Rakesh Patel, a stunned British guest at the Taj, told an Indian television channel. He said he had been among about a dozen foreigners who had been herded together by two heavily armed men and taken up to the hotel’s upper floors.

“They said they wanted anyone with British and American passports and then they took us up the stairs. I think they wanted to take us to the roof,” he said. He and another hostage had managed to escape when they reached the 18th floor, he said.

Update: A group no one’s ever heard of called the Deccan Mujahedeen is taking credit. What’s worse: If they’re lying or if they’re telling the truth, which would mean amateurs somehow pulled off an attack this sophisticated?

Update: Correction — looks like they’re been heard from before.

Update: Unbelievably, the Times of India now says more than 900 have been injured. How is that possible absent at least one monster blast that wounds hundreds of people all at once? And again, just how many attackers are we talking about here? Is there an army parading through the streets of Mumbai?

They got a bunch of top cops, too. How?

The attacks have taken a tragic toll on the city’s top police brass: The high-profile chief of the anti-terror squad Hemant Karkare was killed; Mumbai’s additional commissioner of police (east) Ashok Kamte was gunned down outside the Metro; and celebrated encounter specialist Vijay Salaskar was also killed.

More:

Some media reports attributed the attack to Lashkar-e-Taiba. There were also unconfirmed reports that some of the terrorists came in by sea. A boat laden with explosives was recovered later at night off the Gateway of India.

Update: Supposedly, western intel picked up “chatter” in the last few weeks suggesting a terror spectacular in the works to welcome Obama to the global fray. They’re assuming it’s AQ, but this doesn’t look like any other AQ attack I’ve ever heard of and India’s never been a big preoccupation of the leadership. Even so, here you go:

The multiple attacks on Westerners in Bombay tonight showed all the signs of an al-Qaeda strategy — picking on vulnerable Western “soft targets” but not in a country where there would be maximum security. The bombing of Western targets in Bali in 2002 when al-Qaeda-linked terrorists planted bombs in touristfavoured restaurants and nightclubs was another example where the terror group switched its resources to achieve maximum impact.

Counter-terrorist experts said that India would have been selected for the latest spectacular “probably because that’s where al-Qaeda have sufficient resources to carry out an attack on this scale”. One counter-terrorist expert told The Times: “They don’t choose for the sake of it, they look to see where they have the greatest capability and then order an attack,”

The key to this attack was the search by the armed terrorists for American and British passport holders. With a reported 40 Westerners being held hostage, the terrorists currently have the upper hand. The counter-terrorist sources said targeting Bombay’s most luxurious hotels and a crowded railway station had all the hallmarks of an al-Qaeda operation.

If this is an international group like AQ, I wonder if their next try in America won’t involve more mundane weapons like guns and grenades instead of something grand scale to try to duplicate their success here.

Update: Via Danger Room, there’s already a Google Map available to show you how spread out the attacks are. And here’s a Flickr page of photos from the rubble.

Update: The Indian army’s reportedly moving in on the hotels where hostages are being held. We’re in for either one of the great rescue operations in history or another Beslan.

Update: Roggio suspects the Deccan Mujahedeen are a front group for the usual suspects.

Indian intelligence believes the Indian Mujahideen is a front group created by Lashkar-e-Taiba and the Harkat ul Jihad al Islami to confuse investigators and cover the tracks of the Students’ Islamic Movement of India, or SIMI, a radical Islamist movement. The groups receive support from Pakistan’s Inter-Service Intelligence and are al Qaeda affiliates.

Update: No details yet but IBN says 50 people have been rescued from the Hotel Taj.

Update: MSNBC was streaming IBN just now and a correspondent speculated that we’re looking at maybe 100 suspects here, maybe more. How was a group that large trained and equipped well enough to carry out coordinated attacks without anyone leaking or Indian counterterror knowing about it? See now why Roggio thinks ISI might be at work here?

Update: There have been six separate explosions at the Hotel Taj, apparently, and 10 separate attacks across the city in all, according to IBN. I would never have guessed that any terror group was capable of pulling this off, be it AQ, Hezbollah, or whoever.


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As of this minute IBN/CNN is reporting:

89 fatalities,

11 police fatalities, 18 officers injured

a bomb was found and defused near the Vidhan Bahwahn

5 terrorists were killed and 9 were captured alive

no schools or colleges will be open in Mumbai today

Army commandoes (NSG) have begun Counter Terror ops near the Taj Mahal hotel and freed most of the hostages combat ops are continuing. Ops have moved to Oberoi hotel at this time to free hostages there.

187 confirmed injured at this time

SgtSVJones on November 26, 2008 at 10:34 PM

= Go kiss a camel

Someone is leg pulling her

William Amos on November 26, 2008 at 10:28 PM

My Arabic translator translated it as “I go to kiss a camel”. I like mine better. Jackasses deserve no better than camels to kiss.

Buy Danish on November 26, 2008 at 10:36 PM

Start with their children.

Vashta.Nerada on November 26, 2008 at 10:18 PM

Never, ever harm children They are innocent.

Guardian on November 26, 2008 at 10:25 PM

Tell that to the Israeli’s when they have rocks or Molotov’s thrown at them. Tell that to the Arab mother’s who are proud to raise their children to kill Jews. Tell that to the cartoon rabbit chanting ‘kill the Zionists’ on their children’s shows. Tell that to the Vietnamese, German’s and Japanese women and children who died under American bombing raids.

This ridiculous Peter Pan philosophy that we in the west can fight a war without actually, you know…hurting anyone is absurd.

If you choose to go to war, you choose the death of innocent women and children. That’s just a fact. There is no such thing as a nice war and Vashta.Nerada’s suggestion would actually reduce the number of innocent people killed.

sharrukin on November 26, 2008 at 10:37 PM

No trading on the BSE or NSE today

Terrorists have been surrounded in the Heritage Wing of the Taj Mahal hotel and a combined police/NSG operation is in progress to contain and “dislodge” them

Hostile fire has been reported near the Metro Cinema and Cama Hospital…ambulances are diverted from Cama to other areas.

Terrorists fled from NSG in a government (military) jeep they managed to hijack…massive manhunt is in progress in the countryside for this armed vehicle

SgtSVJones on November 26, 2008 at 10:38 PM

Vashta.Nerada,
no.

rob verdi on November 26, 2008 at 10:39 PM

Vashta.Nerada,
I say that as someone who believes every terrorist should be water-boarded then shot.

rob verdi on November 26, 2008 at 10:39 PM

good thing the douch bag left hates sarah palin and harvesting of Turkeys.

rob verdi on November 26, 2008 at 10:41 PM

If you choose to go to war, you choose the death of innocent women and children. That’s just a fact. There is no such thing as a nice war and Vashta.Nerada’s suggestion would actually reduce the number of innocent people killed.

sharrukin on November 26, 2008 at 10:37 PM

Yep.

progressoverpeace on November 26, 2008 at 10:42 PM

Apparently these pricks all came in by sea in teams….very coordinated

Terrorists have also been corralled inside the Nariman House combined NSG/police commando ops to dislodge them are currently underway

Currently NSG have ordered CNN/IBN to STOP broadcasting live shots of the two Hotels as they are about to start a live fire siege/HR operation

SgtSVJones on November 26, 2008 at 10:45 PM

Vashta.Nerada,
I say that as someone who believes every terrorist should be water-boarded then shot.

rob verdi on November 26, 2008 at 10:39 PM

You are thinking like someone who lives in an individualistic society. The problem is that we are fighting tribal societies and that requires fighting in a way that they understand. You can kill as many terrorists as you like, but it will never stop, because you have to go to the source.

Now, if you don’t want to kill too many people (women and children and the like) then we can do it more cleanly by just taking back the gulf oil fields, since those fields provide the political and financial backing for the arab/persian/muslim war against civilization. That’s a less bloody way to do it, but most in the West wouldn’t do that, either. It doesn’t leave many options.

progressoverpeace on November 26, 2008 at 10:45 PM

HR=Hostage Rescue

SgtSVJones on November 26, 2008 at 10:46 PM

I say that as someone who believes every terrorist should be water-boarded then shot.

rob verdi on November 26, 2008 at 10:39 PM

You need to make the terrorists too afraid to make attacks. Once they make the attack, it is too late. Either tactically strike fear into every wahabbist (especially their HQ and financial wings), or you have to kill everyone. Their religious beliefs require that all non-moslems either be enslaved or killed. You can’t square that circle. Their culture is irreconcilable to western culture, and even to eastern culture. They must change, be cowed into inaction, or be eliminated.

Vashta.Nerada on November 26, 2008 at 10:48 PM

Apparently these pricks all came in by sea in teams….very coordinated

SgtSVJones on November 26, 2008 at 10:45 PM

If true, that has Pakistan all over it. Very odd. They could have, just as easily, just come in vans and busses.

progressoverpeace on November 26, 2008 at 10:49 PM

What I am afraid of is the rise of Fascist states in Europe that will act in a way well beyond anything we contemplate. The Europeans are used to socialism and state control of much of their lives. It wouldn’t really take much after a particularly horrific terror attack to send things in that direction.

sharrukin on November 26, 2008 at 10:49 PM

Terrorists arent afraid to make attacks based on feelings of personal fear.

That is why I suggested that the US should have warned the islamics that if ONE nuke ever goes off in the US then they can kiss Mecca goodbye. The loss of the major source of their belief would be enough to deter such an attack.

And again will say Im not advocating nuking the site. A few well placed conventional munitions could turn the shine into a deep hole.

And again is only a warning to be made. Its a Western vs Islamic version of (M)utual (A)ssured (D)istruction.

William Amos on November 26, 2008 at 10:51 PM

To the one who said that the Islam flag will be flying all over the world because Allah wills it and some 12th cult guy is going to visit the earth and make the earth all muslim. I have to differ on that because first of all Allah made no provision of having sin forgiven whereas Jesus did. Jesus also made it clear that He is the Only one and all others are false. He said He is the only Way, the Truth, and the Life no one comes to the Father but Through Me. If one follows bible prophecy at all, one can see we are indeed the last days. Sorry Muslims but Jesus said He is Lord and one day all will confess that He is Lord. In the future it will probably be a lot more violent but those who prevail with Christ will be saved.

garydt on November 26, 2008 at 10:51 PM

What I am afraid of is the rise of Fascist states in Europe that will act in a way well beyond anything we contemplate.

sharrukin on November 26, 2008 at 10:49 PM

The financial crisis is going to cause that, anyway. And we do all know how the Europeans would react to their muslims, eventually, anyway. That’s just how Europe is.

progressoverpeace on November 26, 2008 at 10:52 PM

Do you have any ideas for a non-passive Western strategy should the Muslims decide they don’t want to leave of their accord?

aengus on November 26, 2008 at 10:33 PM

Actualy, I’m not proposing anything passive at all…

Our problem is that we have a problem combating Religions. We cannot outlaw Islam because of our own Constitution…

Key is the Islam is not JUST a religion, its a political and legal philosophy.

We need to seperate the philosophy and legal framework from the Religion (impossible) and make laws saying that you can’t stay in America without Swearing you will abide by OUR laws and not Espouse the Moslem Jihadist philosophy.

That would give us the legal framework under the Constitution to be able to expel them as Traitors, as they will not swear to follow, and abide by, OUR Law.

In other words, make them choose… Islam, or America… because they ARE incompatable.

Romeo13 on November 26, 2008 at 10:52 PM

I’m happy with inflicting collateral damage. After all, these lions of Islam like to keep their breeders close so they can use them as human shields. And their spawn are indoctrinated by age 7/8, as you can see on many a Hamas video. Too many people in the West still think we have to have uniformed personnel and tanks rolling across blasted battlefields before we can really call it a war. We are already in one, with many theaters and only one enemy — Islam.

Fortunata on November 26, 2008 at 10:52 PM

sharrukin on November 26, 2008 at 10:37 PM

My post was aimed at retribution. Not war in general. I accept that women and children die in war. What I am opposed to is tracking down a terrorists family with the express intent to kill their kids out of vengeance.

Guardian on November 26, 2008 at 10:53 PM

They could have, just as easily, just come in vans

I can’t think of any good reasons for locals to come in boats. It would only make it harder. But I’m not sure why ISI supported types would want American and British hostages/victims.

exception on November 26, 2008 at 10:53 PM

And again will say Im not advocating nuking the site. A few well placed conventional munitions could turn the shine into a deep hole.

William Amos on November 26, 2008 at 10:51 PM

They would just pray to the big hole. What’s the difference – big rock/big hole? :)

progressoverpeace on November 26, 2008 at 10:53 PM

Only when the terrorists meet violent ends will they stop. It is difficult to remember that they are human at times like this.

kanda on November 26, 2008 at 10:54 PM

progressoverpeace on November 26, 2008 at 10:45 PM

We don’t need to take over the oil fields IMO… just drill here and use Compressed Natural Gas for transportation… Nukes for Electricity.

Take the West OFF the oil economy… then they have nothing to support themselves.

We could more easily win that economic War than have to spend blood taking a bunch of Sand we’d have to occupy for generations.

Romeo13 on November 26, 2008 at 10:56 PM

They would just pray to the big hole. What’s the difference – big rock/big hole? :)

progressoverpeace on November 26, 2008 at 10:53 PM

One of the primary duties of a Muslim is that once in their life they must visit Mecca and go to the shrine. Its a matter of their faith. If the Shrine doesnt exist anymore then it shakes the very foundation of their faith.

Could they still go to Mecca ? Sure. But would they still feel invincible after such an event ? I dont think so.

William Amos on November 26, 2008 at 10:56 PM

5 foreigners held hostage left on Oberoi hotel

At Nariman House hostages there are being held by 4-5 terrorists…problem is the hostages there are rumored to be a mix of Brazilian nationals and Jews and Israeli(?sp) citizens.

The British and Israeli governments have both promised all military aid the Indians desire to help hunt down and kill the bast@rds.

President Elect Obama made a statement as has UN Secretary General Ban Ki Moon, and Prime Minister Gordon Brown. All have condemned the attacks

SgtSVJones on November 26, 2008 at 10:57 PM

Key is the Islam is not JUST a religion, its a political and legal philosophy.

Romeo13 on November 26, 2008 at 10:52 PM

I agree with this, but I go a bit further and describe islam as “a political ideology with an attendant mythology”. Islam is, at its very core, political.

I agree with you on all this about islam and how the West should treat it, but I disagree with you on how much killing needs to be done in order to stop them. The killing that will be required will turn every Westerner’s stomach. But that is islam’s only defense.

progressoverpeace on November 26, 2008 at 10:57 PM

Romeo13 on November 26, 2008 at 10:52 PM

You’re right, and many ordinary Westerners agree with you. The problem is that we are undermined by our own institutions: the idiot Archbishop of Canterbury and Prince of Wales in the UK, lefties generally, the ACLU and academia here in the US. What can we do to resist? I really don’t want to vote for the far right parties anywhere, but what option do the centrists leave for those of us who see this cultural slow death as more important than tax cuts? You can get sacked for just breathing some of these attitudes here in academia, let alone for doing anything concrete.

Fortunata on November 26, 2008 at 10:58 PM

That’s odd. A woman reported on CNN that the Taj hotel had unbelievable, nearly impassable security until about 2 weeks ago. Barricades at entrance, even children’s bags were checked, and so forth. I don’t know if this was true at all the 5 star hotels.

Who gave the order to relax security?

Buy Danish on November 26, 2008 at 10:58 PM

The terrorists apparently hijacked at least two (2) police vehicles either military Jeeps or Light Armoured Police Vans.

Citizens have been urged to report any sightings of these vehicles and their license plate numbers are being broadcast on multiple networks.

The British, American, Brazilain, and Israeli embassies and consulates are on fullest/highest alert.

SgtSVJones on November 26, 2008 at 11:00 PM

progressoverpeace on November 26, 2008 at 10:57 PM

Nah, just send em all back to the middle East… stop the flow of Petro bucks by getting energy independent for ourselves, Europe, and India… and they’ll kill each other off… after all, more Moslems are killed by Moslems NOW, than are killed by Westerners….

Iran/Iraq… Syria/Lebanon… shiite/sunni… Aryan/Arab/African… whole place is a powderkeg…

Romeo13 on November 26, 2008 at 11:02 PM

We don’t need to take over the oil fields IMO… just drill here and use Compressed Natural Gas for transportation… Nukes for Electricity.

Take the West OFF the oil economy… then they have nothing to support themselves.

We could more easily win that economic War than have to spend blood taking a bunch of Sand we’d have to occupy for generations.

Romeo13 on November 26, 2008 at 10:56 PM

We certainly need to drill here and nuke plants and everything to get ourselves independent, but islam will still draw huge amounts of political and financial backing from the fields – since most of the rest of the world will need that opil for a long time into the future. The other part is that those countries cannot be trusted with securing the oil fields – as Saddam Hussein demonstrated when he intentionally dumped 40,000,000 barrels of oil into the gulf and lighted just about every single oil well in Kuwait on fire. That was the point at which all Westerners needed to take heed and start thinking about the safety of all the fields. Suicide bombing is not just an individual sport over there – their societies have no aversion to using the suicide play in the large. They play “scorched Earth” in the classic sense, and we can’t afford to even let them retain that threat. The gulf countries need the oil less than just about anyone and would be very happy to blow the fields up just to hurt us.

progressoverpeace on November 26, 2008 at 11:02 PM

What I am afraid of is the rise of Fascist states in Europe that will act in a way well beyond anything we contemplate.

First all of all let me say that the only way for European nations to avoid being colonised by Islam is through the ascendancy of nationalist states in Europe.

Second of all let me say that the average public-school educated American wouldn’t be able to tell the difference between fascism, nationalism and traditionalist conservatism if their life depended on it.

So you will probably wind up as a kind of useful idiot, opposing the “fascist” enemies of Islam until the Muslims are powerful enough (and have consolidated their rule throughout Europe) that they can destroy America, which they will.

aengus on November 26, 2008 at 11:02 PM

The killing that will be required will turn every Westerner’s stomach. But that is islam’s only defense.

progressoverpeace on November 26, 2008 at 10:57 PM

Yes, but it must be done, unless one wants to see terrorism like this on a weekly or monthly basis going forward. They see Bush as a powerless lame duck, and Barry as an empty suit, so I fear we will be seeing much more of this for a while.

Vashta.Nerada on November 26, 2008 at 11:03 PM

Cama hospital has been retaken, was retaken around first light and all hostages were freed.

A portion of the Oberoi hotel is currently in flames

SgtSVJones on November 26, 2008 at 11:03 PM

Most of the Christian leaders in the world are similar to the archbishop of Canterbury types. They are lukewarm and have no clue about Islam. I would say there are no Muslims in the world today who are lukewarm but are fanatics and most have no joy in their lives. They see enemies everywhere, Israel, the West and the eastern religions of Asia and Africa. One has to search far to see one that is contented.

garydt on November 26, 2008 at 11:03 PM

On another note, does anyone know what happens to the bodies of dead terrorists? I would hope that they are turned into pig food, especially if they are Muslims. I’d be truly sickened if they are given Islamic funerals. I don’t know if they really believe the 72 virgins shit, but Muslims are certainly stupid enough to. If you could give them very public desecrations, they might not be so motivated.

Fortunata on November 26, 2008 at 11:03 PM

Not sure where the bodies go but I fear where their souls will end up and that is not a pretty site. They are not going to be partaking of any virgins and plus even if they did it still would not give them any happiness or joy.

garydt on November 26, 2008 at 11:05 PM

They are now describing the policemen and chiefs who were killed as “martyrs”

Apparently 45 persons were killed in and around Cama hospital before it was retaken.

Attacks started around 9:30pm local (Mumbai) time and it is now approximately 9:30am there.

The chief of police was killed whilst directing operations near the Taj Mahal Hotel

SgtSVJones on November 26, 2008 at 11:06 PM

Buy Danish on November 26, 2008 at 10:58 PM

Probably no one… I used to work security on ships and Navy Bases…

Give me 10 guys, and cover 30-50 yards away and I will take out any Security procedures you can put up and maintain on a day to day basis.

You cap the guards… storm and blow the doors… not hard with suprise and a reasonable plan.

Romeo13 on November 26, 2008 at 11:07 PM

On another note, does anyone know what happens to the bodies of dead terrorists? I would hope that they are turned into pig food, especially if they are Muslims.

Fortunata on November 26, 2008 at 11:03 PM

They could do what the Russians did to the Moscow theater terrorists’ bodies: they sewed them up in pigskins and threw them in a hole. They made a video of the process, and sent it to Chechnya for broadcast.

Vashta.Nerada on November 26, 2008 at 11:07 PM

“Terrorists apparently came in by sea and then hijacked cars and other civilian vehicles to enter Mumbai and carry out their bastardly operations”-CNN/IBN anchorwoman

SgtSVJones on November 26, 2008 at 11:08 PM

progressoverpeace on November 26, 2008 at 10:45 PM

You’d have to get their poppy fields too.
****

Great. Here’s a report about an alleged terrorist from Oklahoma City who is thought to have been plotting an attack is on the loose. Add that to the missing Minnesotans Ed wrote about earlier and…

Buy Danish on November 26, 2008 at 11:09 PM

Key is the Islam is not JUST a religion, its a political and legal philosophy.

Romeo13 on November 26, 2008 at 10:52 PM

…which any one of them, read up on his own religion, will tell you…if he isn’t caught up in that whole “it’s OK to lie to protect Islam” thing….

…it’s all the rage in Britain…and coming to a mosque near you….

Puritan1648 on November 26, 2008 at 11:09 PM

Man some of you guys sound a little crazy…”kill all muslims” and all that. That’s nuts.

Islam is a threat but it’s not the threat you think it is.

Islam is controlled by the Saudi monarchy (by virtue of them being kings of the “holy land” of Saudi Arabia)…

The fact is, the Saudi princes and royalty DO NOT BELIEVE IN ISLAM!!

If you had ever met them or someone who has…you would know this.

They come to America, buy prostitutes, drink tons of liquer and do drugs, then they stand out in front of the billion plus masses of muslims and say “We are good muslims, we believe in islam and do not drink etc..”

It’s a sham.

The Saudi princes are New World Order believing hedonists and the New World Order controls islam by way of the Saudi Monarchy.

The muslims are very easy to control.

Pay someone…write a fatwa.

Get on the loud speaker and 1 billion people face east and pray five times a day.

Islam is a Christian heresy. If you want to stop islam you have to convert the muslims back to Christianity.

Living Saints like Father Zakaria Boutros are doing far more to stop islam than any amount of wars will ever accomplish.

SaintOlaf on November 26, 2008 at 11:11 PM

Fortunata on November 26, 2008 at 11:03 PM

Even something as non-lethal as public humiliation would have a tremendous effect on the islamic world (as their macho image is one of their most treasured possessions). If Saddam Hussein was captured in Gulf War I and a video was made of him with some farm animals and other assorted embarrassments, he would never have been heard of again, and all the other arab dictators would change their tune in a second. The same would work wonders on the larger populations.

… Unfortunately, we in the West made such humiliation a crime against humanity – because we’re morons.

progressoverpeace on November 26, 2008 at 11:12 PM

Redux

Limerick on November 26, 2008 at 11:12 PM

Death total is now 100 persons killed and 187 wounded…

JJ hospital and St. George Hospital are currently being flooded with wounded civilians and police officers

The top 3 men at the ATS (Anti-Terror Squad) of the Mumbai police are dead at this hour. Being described as heroes…all were killed by hostile fire at each of the 10 locations that they were responding to and attempting to direct Counter Terror Ops

SgtSVJones on November 26, 2008 at 11:13 PM

They are now describing the policemen and chiefs who were killed as “martyrs”
SgtSVJones on November 26, 2008 at 11:06 PM

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Only 14% of the Mumbai population are Muslim. Do they mean “martyr” in the suicide bomber meaning of the word, or do they mean “heroes”?

Buy Danish on November 26, 2008 at 11:13 PM

Vashta.Nerada on November 26, 2008 at 11:07 PM

LOL, I don’t particularly like Putin, but I have to say that I do, ahem *respect* him. Putin, Putin, Putin, Puteee-eeee-eeen… please don’t take him (our President Elect) just because you can. You’ve listened to Dolly Parton, haven’t you?

Fortunata on November 26, 2008 at 11:13 PM

Man some of you guys sound a little crazy…”kill all muslims” and all that. That’s nuts.

Islam is a threat but it’s not the threat you think it is.

Islam is controlled by the Saudi monarchy (by virtue of them being kings of the “holy land” of Saudi Arabia)…

SaintOlaf on November 26, 2008 at 11:11 PM

Dude, Saudi is the eventual target of these guys. I read their book. Once Saudi falls, the endgame begins.

Vashta.Nerada on November 26, 2008 at 11:14 PM

The top 3 men at the ATS (Anti-Terror Squad) of the Mumbai police are dead at this hour. Being described as heroes…all were killed by hostile fire at each of the 10 locations that they were responding to and attempting to direct Counter Terror Ops

SgtSVJones on November 26, 2008 at 11:13 PM

Crossed post. Who used the word martyr to describe them? An American CNN reporter or someone on the scene in Mumbai?

Buy Danish on November 26, 2008 at 11:15 PM

Great. Here’s a report about an alleged terrorist from Oklahoma City who is thought to have been plotting an attack is on the loose. Add that to the missing Minnesotans Ed wrote about earlier and…

Buy Danish on November 26, 2008 at 11:09 PM

Damn! And Oklahoma City, of all places.

progressoverpeace on November 26, 2008 at 11:17 PM

Indian heroes

ATS chief Hemant Karkare dies a hero’s death
MUMBAI, NOV 27 (PTI)
He wore a helmet, talked on his cellphone and finally put on a bullet-proof jacket before he met his deathly fate in the country’s biggest terror seize.

Maharashtra Anti-Terrorism Squad (ATS) chief Hemant Karkare, who was probing the Malegaon blasts case, suffered three bullet injuries in his chest as he was leading the offensive against the terrorists in one of the places the ultras had holed out early this morning.

The last television visuals of the 54-year-old officer showed him in a light blue shirt and dark trousers surrounded by uniformed policemen armed with firearms and walkie-talkies.

William Amos on November 26, 2008 at 11:18 PM

Islam is controlled by the Saudi monarchy (by virtue of them being kings of the “holy land” of Saudi Arabia)…

SaintOlaf on November 26, 2008 at 11:11 PM

Don’t forget the Shiite side, and the ancillary groups. The Saudis are the source for a large part of the problem, but not nearly the whole array of enemies.

That said, taking back the Saudi oil fields would go a long, long way to defanging the Sunni problem.

progressoverpeace on November 26, 2008 at 11:19 PM

An Indian female IBN reporter repeatedly referred to the slain policemen as “heroes” and “martyrs”

Sorry about the confusion. attempting to livepost this as I’m hearing it in the other tab of Firefox on the IBNlive.com website

SgtSVJones on November 26, 2008 at 11:20 PM

pity NY, Washington. L.A….they are defenseless [wrt to firearms].

right2bright on November 26, 2008 at 3:27 PM

Don’t bet on it. There’s a reason that none of the “no on 8″ protesters are marching in front of religious institutions in South Central LA (speaking of terror).

baldilocks on November 26, 2008 at 11:20 PM

progressoverpeace on November 26, 2008 at 11:17 PM

Some say that the Oklahoma City Bombing was an Al Qaeda attack which used American tools McVeigh & Nichols to pull it off.

Did you get to the part in the video about the Afghanistani heroin they found in the women’s car with baby clothes, and how they use turnpikes because the police can’t patrol them?

Buy Danish on November 26, 2008 at 11:21 PM

SgtSVJones on November 26, 2008 at 11:13 PM

Just based on past experience, that wounded number has to be way low….

They have fairly modern medicine over there… so it seems to me the Death/wounded ratio is pretty low… I bet most minor wounds are not reported or counted…

Romeo13 on November 26, 2008 at 11:21 PM

YIKES !!!!

SHOOTING-TERRORISTS PRINT EMAIL
Black Tee, Jeans, Blue Rucksack…and AK-47

MUMBAI, NOV 26 (PTI)
Even as a little-known Deccan Mujahideen group claimed responsibility for the coordinated terror strikes in Mumbai tonight, the identity and nature of the attack has left security agencies baffled.

What baffles the security agencies is the sacred thread tied on his wrist which many say could be a plot to show that the attack was undertaken by probably an extreme Hindu group.

William Amos on November 26, 2008 at 11:21 PM

Apparently at least some of the residents of the Nariman House are being described as “elderly friendly Jewish ladies” and part of a “large extended Jewish family all living in the House”- all efforts seem to be focused on that location at this time.

because if the terrorists (4 left alive there) figure that out…they’re screwed.

SgtSVJones on November 26, 2008 at 11:23 PM

SgtSVJones on November 26, 2008 at 11:20 PM

Thanks.

Buy Danish on November 26, 2008 at 11:23 PM

Don’t forget the Shiite side,
progressoverpeace on November 26, 2008 at 11:19 PM

Yeah I’m not forgetting the Shiites…The leader of the Shiites (Ayatollah Khomenei) was PUT IN POWER by Zbignew Brerzinksy(the same guy that is running the country now via Obama)!

SaintOlaf on November 26, 2008 at 11:24 PM

My post was aimed at retribution. Not war in general. I accept that women and children die in war. What I am opposed to is tracking down a terrorists family with the express intent to kill their kids out of vengeance.

Guardian on November 26, 2008 at 10:53 PM

Why is randomly killing many children in war morally superior to precision targeting far fewer children in the families of terrorists? Is the concern for those slain or something else?

The problem we face is that our enemy isn’t stupid. They are not going to march out onto a barren flat field somewhere and issue a ringing challenge while donning their armour and mount.

Terrorists are civilians!

There is no difference between a civilian and a terrorist. A civilian is a terrorist who dropped his weapon and walked away when things got nasty. We saw this in Fallujah, we see this in Gaza, Lebanon, and elsewhere. A terrorist is a civilian who picks up a weapon and attacks. We saw this in Britain with ‘Sudden Jihad Syndrome’. We pretend we are at war with terror. What the hell does that even mean? Are we at war with ‘scariness’ as well? What does it mean to be at war with terror?

We are trying to fight a war with conventional thinking and our enemy isn’t going along with it. He doesn’t hide within the civilian population! He is the civilian population! A certain percentage of them will attack the enemies of Islam and have done so for more than a millennium. These use women and children because they understand what they are up to, and who the enemy is (you in case ya didn’t guess). They openly talk of using childbirth and demographic as a weapon and we go ‘Lalalalal I can’t hear you, lalalal’. We choose not to hear them because we are afraid of what it means if we acknowledge the truth of what they say.

We babble on about Islam being a religion of peace absent the slightest shred of proof. We say this despite what Muslims say, despite what the Koran says, despite what the Hadiths say, and despite what history tells us. We choose to be wilfully ignorant rather than face facts.

We are not going to win this war if we refuse to acknowledge who our enemy is.

sharrukin on November 26, 2008 at 11:24 PM

Some say that the Oklahoma City Bombing was an Al Qaeda attack which used American tools McVeigh & Nichols to pull it off.

I ws going to mention the “third man”, but I take enough truther crap aruond here because I want BHO to present his BC and passports that I decided to let it go. I figured you knew, anyway.

Did you get to the part in the video about the Afghanistani heroin they found in the women’s car with baby clothes, and how they use turnpikes because the police can’t patrol them?

Buy Danish on November 26, 2008 at 11:21 PM

Yeah. They aren’t totally stupid. In Israel, Hamas started sending girls and old ladies carrying bombs in fake pouches to make them appear pregnant.

progressoverpeace on November 26, 2008 at 11:26 PM

Confusion all around

Who Did It?
Dressed in a black half T-shirt and jeans with a blue rucksack hung over his left shoulder and a red sacred thread tied on his right wrist…

No official statement has been made about the identities of the terrorists, but Chief Minister Deshmukh said the terrorists apparently arrived by sea with their explosives. Their boat was later found by customs officers. Eyewitnesses said some of them spoke Arabic, and included Nigerian or Somali mercenaries.

William Amos on November 26, 2008 at 11:26 PM

President George W. “I will kick your ass” Bush

Seven Percent Solution on November 26, 2008 at 4:08 PM

W’s legacy.

baldilocks on November 26, 2008 at 11:27 PM

Photo#4 is all you need to know.

India, God’s speed. Bullets for the asking.

Limerick on November 26, 2008 at 11:30 PM

SaintOlaf on November 26, 2008 at 11:24 PM

I blame Carter more, but, in either case – Happy Days!

I remember Joe Scarborough saying once that Brezinski’s great uncle, or something, had a hand in messing things up to start WWI or WWII, also. I forget the specifics and can’t attest to its truth. Family traditions are nice to see.

progressoverpeace on November 26, 2008 at 11:30 PM

The financial crisis is going to cause that, anyway. And we do all know how the Europeans would react to their muslims, eventually, anyway. That’s just how Europe is.

progressoverpeace on November 26, 2008 at 10:52 PM

What a load of BS! If Americans were threatened in the same way then the Muslims would be considered “terrorists” and “enemies of freedom”.

However the reality is that Muslims want to wipe out and murder every European on the Continent so then stopping them falls to “fascists” who are dripping with bloodlust to murder “innocent Muslims”, “the new Jews”.

That’s just how Europe is.

You wouldn’t be saying that if it were members of your family that risked being raped and butchered. Self-defense does not equal fascism.

aengus on November 26, 2008 at 11:31 PM

William Amos on November 26, 2008 at 11:21 PM

FWIW, This was an earlier report from BBC

A claim of responsibility has been made by a previously unknown group calling itself the Deccan Mujahideen.

Our correspondent says it could be a hoax or assumed name for another group.

The motive is far from clear – but the attacks come amid elections in several Indian states, including in disputed Kashmir.

On Thursday, reports said five gunmen had taken hostages in an office block in the financial district of Mumbai.

There has been a wave of bombings in Indian cities in recent months which has left scores of people dead.

Most of the attacks have been blamed on Muslim militants, although police have also arrested suspected Hindu extremists.

Mumbai itself has also been attacked in the past: in July 2006 a series of bomb attacks on busy commuter trains killed almost 190 people and injured more than 700.

Police accused Pakistan’s intelligence agency of planning those attacks, which they said were carried out by an Islamist militant group, Lashkar-e-Toiba.

Pakistan rejected the allegation, saying there was no evidence that its intelligence staff were involved.

But the latest shootings come at a time when ties between India and Pakistan have improved.

Just days ago Pakistani President Asif Ali Zardari told a summit in Delhi that Pakistan would not be first to carry out a missile strike on India.

The two countries have a joint anti-terror mechanism whereby they are supposed to share information on terrorist attacks.

Buy Danish on November 26, 2008 at 11:33 PM

Cafe Leopold is one of the 10 locations that was hit today….the company owning the Taj Mahal and Oberoi hotels is promising “we will rebuild and come back better than ever. Just you watch!”

SgtSVJones on November 26, 2008 at 11:33 PM

Has any muslim yet condemned this attack or any other from the past. If they do its hardly a ripple in the news cycle. I hope Chris Mathews leg is still tingling and excited about the future of this land. Muslims are not going away but fight harder and the left who wants to ignore them will not help them go away.

garydt on November 26, 2008 at 11:34 PM

Question. What happens when Obama brings Gitmo terrorists to the US for trials and the Islamics feel a need to attack the US to make martyrs out of them ?

I fear the future.

William Amos on November 26, 2008 at 11:34 PM

Has any muslim yet condemned this attack

Pakistan condemed it. Interesting that.

William Amos on November 26, 2008 at 11:35 PM

William Amos on November 26, 2008 at 11:26 PM

I would take all Outlook reporting with a pinch of salt, for a while anyway. It’s a lefty rag, no reason to jump in to “false flag” trutherism just yet. And “sacred threads” don’t mean anything; South Asian Muslims are not identical to Arab Sunnis (and aren’t even treated very well by the latter when they go to work for them as labourers).

Fortunata on November 26, 2008 at 11:35 PM

aengus on November 26, 2008 at 11:31 PM

I’m not saying it’s good or bad, just that I have always believed that this is what the eventual reaction of Europe would be to the massive muslim immigration. The European left would push the continent until there is no other reaction left to them. That’s how I see it.

progressoverpeace on November 26, 2008 at 11:35 PM

aengus on November 26, 2008 at 11:31 PM

As to the fascist part, we are in danger of falling into the same in the US, because of the financial crisis.

progressoverpeace on November 26, 2008 at 11:36 PM

Question. What happens when Obama brings Gitmo terrorists to the US for trials and the Islamics feel a need to attack the US to make martyrs out of them ?
William Amos on November 26, 2008 at 11:34 PM

If he’s told that the only place to put them is the Cook County Jail he may decide to keep them in Gitmo.

Buy Danish on November 26, 2008 at 11:37 PM

What happens when Obama brings Gitmo terrorists to the US for trials and the Islamics feel a need to attack the US to make martyrs out of them ?

I fear the future.

William Amos on November 26, 2008 at 11:34 PM

Was that a rhetorical question? The answer is clear, and the only question is when the attack will happen.

Vashta.Nerada on November 26, 2008 at 11:38 PM

Terrorists tracking police progress via the news reports goddammit!

Indian Prime Minister is going to receive a full brief at 11am local time

Men were armed with AKs and hand grenades and copious amounts of ammo. One of the questions being asked is (for lack of politeness) HOW THE HELL DID THEY GET ALL THIS SHIT INTO OUR CITY?!

The terrorists had enough guns and ammo as well as good enough training to have a full fledged gun battle at several of the 10 locations throughout the night and at least 5 escaped alive not including the ones who stole police vehicles to escape

It is now 10:08am Mumbai time

Guests at the Taj Hotel have been streaming out over the past several hours 150+ persons have exited so far…have all been reporting heavy gunfire and physical flames throughout the complex

SgtSVJones on November 26, 2008 at 11:39 PM

Is the balloon going up ?

Terrorists came from Karachi via sea routes to Mumbai
Reuters

The terrorists who attacked Mumbai came via sea routes from Karachi in Pakistan, according to an intelligence report.

William Amos on November 26, 2008 at 11:40 PM

You might not need it, but you might not need insurance either….

Appleseed Project

Wolves love prey with no teeth.

Limerick on November 26, 2008 at 11:41 PM

Fire companies have had severe problems fighting the fires at the two hotels and Nariman House as they cannot get inside due to the continual firefights between the police/NSG and terrorists!

There are still numerous guests trapped inside the hotels and have actually attempted to call into the news stations and been redirected to the police to ask them how the hell will I know that the person knocking on my door is actually a cop/soldier here to rescue me and not a terrorist here to kill me?

SgtSVJones on November 26, 2008 at 11:44 PM

progressoverpeace on November 26, 2008 at 11:35 PM

Fair enough. I also think that a backlash is coming. I just dislike how resistance to Islamisation is being characterised in advance by many people as the evil white man’s thirst for blood. Its easy to call it bloodlust when its some other poor schlub’s family who are being accomodated to Islam i.e. raped/murdered/converted.

aengus on November 26, 2008 at 11:44 PM

BO could release all the Gitmo guys in West Hollywood and then see how the locals there would like that. The locals there and the Gitmo guys could both rag on GWB until their hearts content. Another location would be Beverly Hills close to the lefty Hollywood folks. Ed Asnor and Sarah Saradon could house a few in their spacious mansions.

garydt on November 26, 2008 at 11:45 PM

Terrorists came in via speedboats with copious amounts of ammo and hand grenades as previously stated

SgtSVJones on November 26, 2008 at 11:46 PM

SgtSVJones on November 26, 2008 at 11:46 PM

They need to look for a Mother Ship offshore then…

Romeo13 on November 26, 2008 at 11:51 PM

17.5 pounds of military grade explosives found near the Taj.

Guardian on November 26, 2008 at 11:51 PM

8kg of RDX (?) apparently a type of explosive or ammo (?) has been found in a popular restaurant/nightclub next to the Taj Mahal…no info on whether its been disarmed/disabled yet.

Speculation is that it was placed there to blow out the ground floor and collapse the hotel or else cause a mass casualty event with as many first responders as humanly possible

HR ops are continuing at this time…the NSG has intercepted live commo/phone chatter stating that the “elimination of the top 3 anti terror folks is a huge bonus for our side”…

The other 9 sites are being searched for explosives at this time

SgtSVJones on November 26, 2008 at 11:51 PM

Fair enough. I also think that a backlash is coming. I just dislike how resistance to Islamisation is being characterised in advance by many people as the evil white man’s thirst for blood. Its easy to call it bloodlust when its some other poor schlub’s family who are being accomodated to Islam i.e. raped/murdered/converted.

aengus on November 26, 2008 at 11:44 PM

Given the liberal control of the media, electoral process, the European Union, and various ‘hate crime’ laws do you see a democratic way in which something can be done?

sharrukin on November 26, 2008 at 11:51 PM

Link to videos here

Sorry last link messed up. The video is at the top of this list

William Amos on November 26, 2008 at 11:52 PM

self correction here:

RDX is a large scale shaped explosive similar to C4

SgtSVJones on November 26, 2008 at 11:53 PM

Meanwhile Fox is showing a repackaged O’Reilly Factor.

CanadianGuy on November 26, 2008 at 11:54 PM

The Left wing media or MSM will support the terrorists until some of them are victims or they lose their special rights. One might think that if the press loses its right to investigate and the Muslims tell them to bug off, then they might see a little light.

garydt on November 26, 2008 at 11:55 PM

Link is here to IBN Live

SgtSVJones on November 26, 2008 at 11:57 PM

On another note, does anyone know what happens to the bodies of dead terrorists? I would hope that they are turned into pig food, especially if they are Muslims. I’d be truly sickened if they are given Islamic funerals. I don’t know if they really believe the 72 virgins shit, but Muslims are certainly stupid enough to. If you could give them very public desecrations, they might not be so motivated.

Fortunata on November 26, 2008 at 11:03 PM

I don’t think we have the collective political will to take drastic action. However, it would probably be effective. Supposedly Black Jack Pershing and other US military would bury Moros with Pigs which cut down on their activities.

Also, I remember a news story a while back where a rabbi was putting bags of pigs blood at bus stations and giving some kind of absolution to the jews. IOW, a suicide bomber would die with pigs blood on him.

BTW – this must be some kind of HUGE mistake.. I thought everyone was going to love us and sit around drinking milk and singing Kum Bay Ah if we elected obama??? Didn’t the terrorists get the memo???

bullseye on November 26, 2008 at 11:58 PM

Frankly, I am amazed that we haven’t seen similar attacks here in the US, because of how simple it is to coordinate something like this.

muyoso on November 26, 2008 at 5:30 PM

Someone has done a good job.

the_nile on November 26, 2008 at 5:33 PM

I’m well acquainted with some of those whose job it is to do this, so this makes me smile.

baldilocks on November 26, 2008 at 11:58 PM

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