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Massive terror plot in Mumbai; 80 dead, 250+ injured; Update: 900 injured; Update: “Chatter” points to Al Qaeda? Update: 10 separate attacks

posted at 3:03 pm on November 26, 2008 by Allahpundit
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Awful, and doubly worrisome in light of the FBI alert issued this morning for the NYC subway system. According to CNN, they hit the airport, two hotels, a cafe, a railway station and a gas station — and there may be more on the way. The Foreign Ministry’s opened a war room to deal with it.

Has there ever been an attack with this many targets?

Armed with AK-47 rifles and grenades, a couple of terrorists entered the passenger hall of CST and opened fire and threw grenades, Mumbai General Railway Police Commissioner A K Sharma said.

The terror strike which began at 10:33 PM at Chhatrapathi Shivaji Terminus(CST), formerly known as the Victoria Terminus(VT), claimed 10 lives in the premises of the station alone, police said.

Three persons were killed in a bomb explosion in a taxi on Mazegaon dockyard road and an equal number were gunned down at Taj Hotel. The victims in the hotel were its employees.

The lobby of the Oberoi hotel was on fire and the hotel evacuated, eyewitnesses said.

Maharashtra DGP A N Roy said tonight’s attack in “at least seven places” is a “terror strike.”

No word yet on how many are involved, but the fact that they’re using guns and grenades instead of suicide bombs makes me wonder if this isn’t some homegrown group or a Pakistani jihadi outfit like Lashkar e-Taiba instead of AQ. LeT members were arrested in connection with the last attack on Mumbai, so there’s precedent. You might be hearing the name “Dawood Ibrahim” pop up in the coming hours, too; revisit this post by our old friend Clint Taylor for essential background.

Update: As expected, Counterterrorism Blog points the finger at LeT and a native Islamic student group.

Update: DrewM at Ace’s site claims that the hotel attackers demanded American hostages among the guests, specifically.

Update: Total chaos.

Update: At the Standard, Thomas Joscelyn asks a question wonders if an attack of this scale and coordination doesn’t point to Pakistan’s ISI.

Most, if not all, of the targets are places that cater to westerners – restaurants, hotels, trains, etc. Moreover, the terrorists have laid siege to a couple of hotels and the terrorists are incredibly mobile, moving from location to location. The attacks are ongoing and the casualty count keeps rising. The result is a traumatized city and nation.

It is too early to tell with any precision who is behind these attacks. The smart money is on the multi-headed hydra of terrorist and extremist groups based in Pakistan and Kashmir. Indeed, Pakistan’s intelligence service has waged a proxy war against India using terrorists for decades. The two nuclear powers have avoided a large-scale exchange, but the Pakistani ISI has repeatedly sponsored or aided terrorist groups targeting civilians in India. For example, Indian authorities were quite vocal in blaming Pakistan for the July 11, 2006 train bombings, which killed more than 200.

Update: A clue, maybe, as to how they pulled this off without no one noticing anything. How young are we talking about here?

“They were very young, like boys really, wearing jeans and T-shirts,” Rakesh Patel, a stunned British guest at the Taj, told an Indian television channel. He said he had been among about a dozen foreigners who had been herded together by two heavily armed men and taken up to the hotel’s upper floors.

“They said they wanted anyone with British and American passports and then they took us up the stairs. I think they wanted to take us to the roof,” he said. He and another hostage had managed to escape when they reached the 18th floor, he said.

Update: A group no one’s ever heard of called the Deccan Mujahedeen is taking credit. What’s worse: If they’re lying or if they’re telling the truth, which would mean amateurs somehow pulled off an attack this sophisticated?

Update: Correction — looks like they’re been heard from before.

Update: Unbelievably, the Times of India now says more than 900 have been injured. How is that possible absent at least one monster blast that wounds hundreds of people all at once? And again, just how many attackers are we talking about here? Is there an army parading through the streets of Mumbai?

They got a bunch of top cops, too. How?

The attacks have taken a tragic toll on the city’s top police brass: The high-profile chief of the anti-terror squad Hemant Karkare was killed; Mumbai’s additional commissioner of police (east) Ashok Kamte was gunned down outside the Metro; and celebrated encounter specialist Vijay Salaskar was also killed.

More:

Some media reports attributed the attack to Lashkar-e-Taiba. There were also unconfirmed reports that some of the terrorists came in by sea. A boat laden with explosives was recovered later at night off the Gateway of India.

Update: Supposedly, western intel picked up “chatter” in the last few weeks suggesting a terror spectacular in the works to welcome Obama to the global fray. They’re assuming it’s AQ, but this doesn’t look like any other AQ attack I’ve ever heard of and India’s never been a big preoccupation of the leadership. Even so, here you go:

The multiple attacks on Westerners in Bombay tonight showed all the signs of an al-Qaeda strategy — picking on vulnerable Western “soft targets” but not in a country where there would be maximum security. The bombing of Western targets in Bali in 2002 when al-Qaeda-linked terrorists planted bombs in touristfavoured restaurants and nightclubs was another example where the terror group switched its resources to achieve maximum impact.

Counter-terrorist experts said that India would have been selected for the latest spectacular “probably because that’s where al-Qaeda have sufficient resources to carry out an attack on this scale”. One counter-terrorist expert told The Times: “They don’t choose for the sake of it, they look to see where they have the greatest capability and then order an attack,”

The key to this attack was the search by the armed terrorists for American and British passport holders. With a reported 40 Westerners being held hostage, the terrorists currently have the upper hand. The counter-terrorist sources said targeting Bombay’s most luxurious hotels and a crowded railway station had all the hallmarks of an al-Qaeda operation.

If this is an international group like AQ, I wonder if their next try in America won’t involve more mundane weapons like guns and grenades instead of something grand scale to try to duplicate their success here.

Update: Via Danger Room, there’s already a Google Map available to show you how spread out the attacks are. And here’s a Flickr page of photos from the rubble.

Update: The Indian army’s reportedly moving in on the hotels where hostages are being held. We’re in for either one of the great rescue operations in history or another Beslan.

Update: Roggio suspects the Deccan Mujahedeen are a front group for the usual suspects.

Indian intelligence believes the Indian Mujahideen is a front group created by Lashkar-e-Taiba and the Harkat ul Jihad al Islami to confuse investigators and cover the tracks of the Students’ Islamic Movement of India, or SIMI, a radical Islamist movement. The groups receive support from Pakistan’s Inter-Service Intelligence and are al Qaeda affiliates.

Update: No details yet but IBN says 50 people have been rescued from the Hotel Taj.

Update: MSNBC was streaming IBN just now and a correspondent speculated that we’re looking at maybe 100 suspects here, maybe more. How was a group that large trained and equipped well enough to carry out coordinated attacks without anyone leaking or Indian counterterror knowing about it? See now why Roggio thinks ISI might be at work here?

Update: There have been six separate explosions at the Hotel Taj, apparently, and 10 separate attacks across the city in all, according to IBN. I would never have guessed that any terror group was capable of pulling this off, be it AQ, Hezbollah, or whoever.


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Was the bombing because people are so angry that they changed Bombay’s name?

Oh, it was jihadis? Who would have guessed!

Kevin M on November 26, 2008 at 7:47 PM

At the moment this is a Live feed of ongoing coverage

Guardian on November 26, 2008 at 7:51 PM

Biden was talking about something much, much bigger than this, I think, and something that would happen after inauguration. At least, that’s my translation of the Bidenese.

progressoverpeace on November 26, 2008 at 5:35 PM

That was my impression, too. But it doesn’t really matter because a) we don’t really know what that nut is talking about, and b) he doesn’t, either.

Jaibones on November 26, 2008 at 7:55 PM

This horrific terrorist attack in India is the perfect opportunity we have been waiting for to make petty political attacks against Obama.

e-pirate on November 26, 2008 at 7:59 PM

And I would add, a hot war between India and Pakistan would have them bombing cities left and right and we would finally have the idiocy of fighting wars within the post-WWII ROE that we follow exposed.

progressoverpeace on November 26, 2008 at 5:55 PM

Sorry to go all pathological and stuff, but India attacking Pakistan on the east while we are running raids on the west from Afghanistan sounds like a dream come true to me, almost certainly too good to be true.

Osama – nowhere to hide, and no one to hide you. Imagine the extermination of many Islamist maggots hiding in the northwest. Nice.

Jaibones on November 26, 2008 at 8:02 PM

e-pirate on November 26, 2008 at 7:59 PM

Or, just to shake things up a bit – to support any strong and decisive action he takes that makes sense, and remind the nation and the world of the difference between us and the Kos maggots.

Jaibones on November 26, 2008 at 8:03 PM

This horrific terrorist attack in India is the perfect opportunity we have been waiting for to make petty political attacks against Obama.

e-pirate on November 26, 2008 at 7:59 PM

Leave that kind of thing to the DU and DailyKos scum. Attack him on issues of substance not nonsense. If he does the right thing then we should support him in that.

sharrukin on November 26, 2008 at 8:04 PM

AdrianS on November 26, 2008 at 8:03 PM

Oh, dude. Are you kidding?

Jaibones on November 26, 2008 at 8:04 PM

I, or rather the Lord, beseech you as Christ’s heralds to publish this everywhere and to persuade all people of whatever rank, foot-soldiers and knights, poor and rich, to carry aid promptly to those Christians [and Hindus] and to destroy that vile race from the lands of our friends. I say this to those who are present, it is meant also for those who are absent. Moreover, Christ commands it.
- Pope Urban II

MB4 on November 26, 2008 at 8:04 PM

sharrukin on November 26, 2008 at 8:04 PM

Brothers from other mothers.

Jaibones on November 26, 2008 at 8:05 PM

Brothers from other mothers.

Jaibones on November 26, 2008 at 8:05 PM

Just being conservative if you ask me. Give someone a fair shake if they do good, and nail their ass to the wall if they screw up. I doubt most leftists would understand it.

sharrukin on November 26, 2008 at 8:11 PM

I, or rather the Lord, beseech you as Christ’s heralds to publish this everywhere and to persuade all people of whatever rank, foot-soldiers and knights, poor and rich, to carry aid promptly to those Christians [and Hindus] and to destroy that vile race from the lands of our friends. I say this to those who are present, it is meant also for those who are absent. Moreover, Christ commands it.
- Pope Urban II

MB4 on November 26, 2008 at 8:04 PM

I suspect if the Pope called for a modern Crusade you would get a lot of volunteers, and many of them wouldn’t even be Christian.

sharrukin on November 26, 2008 at 8:13 PM

How dreadful are the curses which Mohammedanism lays on its votaries! Besides the fanatical frenzy, which is as dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog, there is this fearful fatalistic apathy. The effects are apparent in many countries. Improvident habits, slovenly systems of agriculture, sluggish methods of commerce, and insecurity of property exist wherever the followers of the Prophet rule or live. A degraded sensualism deprives this life of its grace and refinement; the next of its dignity and sanctity. The fact that in Mohammedan law every woman must belong to some man as his absolute property – either as a child, a wife, or a concubine – must delay the final extinction of slavery until the faith of Islam has ceased to be a great power among men.

The influence of the religion paralyzes the social development of those who follow it. No stronger retrograde force exists in the world. Far from being moribund, Mohammedanism is a militant and proselytizing faith. It has already spread throughout Central Africa, raising fearless warriors at every step; and were it not that Christianity is sheltered in the strong arms of science – the science against which it had vainly struggled – the civilization of modern Europe might fall, as fell the civilization of ancient Rome.
- Winston Churchill

MB4 on November 26, 2008 at 8:14 PM

Mosques are plenty, graveyards are plenty, but morals and whiskey are scarce. The Koran does not permit Mohammedans to drink. Their natural instincts do not permit them to be moral.
- Mark Twain

MB4 on November 26, 2008 at 8:15 PM

Where’s Waldo Obama with his message of hope to these confused disaffected youths.

Mojave Mark on November 26, 2008 at 8:18 PM

When I, a thoughtful and unblessed Presbyterian, examine the Koran, I know that beyond any question every Mohammedan is insane, not in all things, but in religious matters. I cannot prove to him that he is insane, because you never can prove anything to a lunatic — for that is a part of his insanity and the evidence of it.
- Mark Twain

MB4 on November 26, 2008 at 8:18 PM

I suspect if the Pope called for a modern Crusade you would get a lot of volunteers, and many of them wouldn’t even be Christian.

sharrukin on November 26, 2008 at 8:13 PM

New Templars?

I’m in.

Romeo13 on November 26, 2008 at 8:19 PM

Supposedly, western intel picked up “chatter” in the last few weeks suggesting a terror spectacular in the works to welcome Obama to the global fray.

Jotox Biden’s prophecy comes true?

jgapinoy on November 26, 2008 at 8:19 PM

6:49 am in Mumbai, and the city is shut down. Schools and colleges closed, and perhaps government buildings will be closed too.

mram on November 26, 2008 at 8:21 PM

MB4 on November 26, 2008 at 8:04 PM

If he really said that, then I’m decidedly unimpressed with Mr Urban 2.

jgapinoy on November 26, 2008 at 8:22 PM

I am urging all armed Hindu, Zionist and Christian forces who are working against the Islamic Holy Forces of Allah to surrender their weapons immediately.

Otherwise, we will hold them responsible for their actions. Any attempt to fight the Islamic Holy forces of Allah is pointless. We are committed to putting all of the world under our jurisdiction.

You cannot have weapons and act against the Islamic Holy Forces of Allah. Any group that tries to fight the Islamic Holy Forces of Allah will be destroyed. The Islamic Holy Forces of Allah will overcome the Hindu, Zionist and Christian infidels and their Hotair stooges.

Allah willing.

Aleph on November 26, 2008 at 8:24 PM

If he really said that, then I’m decidedly unimpressed with Mr Urban 2.

jgapinoy on November 26, 2008 at 8:22 PM

Should our paths cross in the future and should he inquire after your opinion I will be sure to tell him of your displeasure.

MB4 on November 26, 2008 at 8:26 PM

Allah willing.

Aleph on November 26, 2008 at 8:24 PM

gET THE F4CK OUT OF HERE!

thomasaur on November 26, 2008 at 8:28 PM

If he really said that, then I’m decidedly unimpressed with Mr Urban 2.

jgapinoy on November 26, 2008 at 8:22 PM

Do you even know who he is?

sharrukin on November 26, 2008 at 8:29 PM

gET THE F4CK OUT OF HERE!

thomasaur on November 26, 2008 at 8:28 PM

اذهب قبلة جمل

Aleph on November 26, 2008 at 8:33 PM

Just being conservative if you ask me. Give someone a fair shake if they do good, and nail their ass to the wall if they screw up. I doubt most leftists would understand it.

sharrukin on November 26, 2008 at 8:11 PM

More like work with what you’ve got. Anytime Obama doesn’t screw us or screw up royally is a day we can breathe a sigh of relief. I hate the left for even putting us in this position.

chunderroad on November 26, 2008 at 8:37 PM

Aleph on November 26, 2008 at 8:24 PM

Shut up, dickeater.

Jaibones on November 26, 2008 at 8:37 PM

اذهب قبلة جمل

Aleph on November 26, 2008 at 8:33 PM

You crack me up !!!!!

thomasaur on November 26, 2008 at 8:38 PM

Allah willing.

Aleph on November 26, 2008 at 8:24 PM

You’re a CIA bought stooge. Go buy your goat some flowers.

chunderroad on November 26, 2008 at 8:38 PM

Allah willing.

Aleph on November 26, 2008 at 8:24 PM

I thought he was joking, somebody report this al qaeda maggot to the FBI so they can send him to gitmo and ban his account.

thinkagain on November 26, 2008 at 8:42 PM

You crack me up !!!!!

thomasaur on November 26, 2008 at 8:38 PM

The great dream of Islam will come true. Muslims dream to see flags that read: “There is no god but Allah” fluttering in the wind on the Temple Mount, Haram al-Sharif, The White House, Taj Mahal Palace, Disneyland, Tyson Foods, Microsoft, Home Depot, Starbucks and over Hotair, Allah willing.

Aleph on November 26, 2008 at 8:45 PM

Aleph on November 26, 2008 at 8:33 PM

Get out of here and take your asshole pedophile prophet with you. Muhammad was a pig.

Fortunata on November 26, 2008 at 8:46 PM

Aleph on November 26, 2008 at 8:45 PM

Dude, step away from Home Depot.

exception on November 26, 2008 at 8:47 PM

Muslims dream to see flags that read: “There is no god but Allah” fluttering in the wind on the Temple Mount, Haram al-Sharif, The White House, Taj Mahal Palace, Disneyland, Tyson Foods, Microsoft, Home Depot, Starbucks and over Hotair, Allah willing.

Keep dreaming. It sure beats the actual nightmare of being a Muslim.

Guardian on November 26, 2008 at 8:48 PM

I thought he was joking, somebody report this al qaeda maggot to the FBI so they can send him to gitmo and ban his account.

thinkagain on November 26, 2008 at 8:42 PM

So did I.

If this nutball thinks that we will roll over and play dead like the Europeans are fond of doing he has another thing coming. They will get away with a lot of nonsense for years, but there will come a time when patience ends and something cold, ugly and mean will emerge in the west. I hope that doesn’t happen because I doubt I would much care for the sorts of things that would happen, or the form of government that would do them.

sharrukin on November 26, 2008 at 8:49 PM

Aleph on November 26, 2008 at 8:33 PM

Get out of here and take your asshole pedophile prophet with you. Muhammad was a pig.

Fortunata on November 26, 2008 at 8:46 PM

I doubt he is a Muslim. If he were he would use the handle Alif rather than the Hebrew Aleph.

lexhamfox on November 26, 2008 at 8:49 PM

Aleph on November 26, 2008 at 8:24 PM

I’m exactly five miles southwest of Dallas/Fort Worth airport. Just ask. I’ll meet you and Allah anyplace you wish, anytime. Then we’ll let Darwin sort us out.

Limerick on November 26, 2008 at 8:51 PM

I would never have guessed that any terror group was capable of pulling this off

Wasn’t there a big multi-target attack in Bangladesh a while back? But I think some people are underestimating how very hard it is to coordinate something like this in real life.

exception on November 26, 2008 at 8:51 PM

I doubt he is a Muslim. If he were he would use the handle Alif rather than the Hebrew Aleph.

lexhamfox on November 26, 2008 at 8:49 PM

Heh – you mean this clown is a little Jewish DKos liberal? Too funny.

Jaibones on November 26, 2008 at 8:51 PM

lexhamfox on November 26, 2008 at 8:49 PM

Ha! “Aleph” is another discredited troll.

Guardian on November 26, 2008 at 8:52 PM

Limerick, he’ll be back in a minute. He had to go change his pants.

Jaibones on November 26, 2008 at 8:53 PM

I thought he was joking, somebody report this al qaeda maggot to the FBI so they can send him to gitmo and ban his account.

thinkagain on November 26, 2008 at 8:42 PM

Is he a Mossad double agent hero
Or a muslim skunk?
A ranting zero
Or a drunk?
He may be shrewd, he may be crude
Ah well, it’s hard to tell
Who is this Aleph and what is he up to, do tell?

PercyB on November 26, 2008 at 8:55 PM

I doubt he is a Muslim. If he were he would use the handle Alif rather than the Hebrew Aleph.

lexhamfox on November 26, 2008 at 8:49 PM

I thought it was Alf and he just mispelled his name. Oh and Alf, I crap things tougher than you and your pervert prophet.

thomasaur on November 26, 2008 at 8:56 PM

Jaibones on November 26, 2008 at 8:51 PM

Not for me to say but I find it odd he goes by that handle and then spouts Jihadi nonsense. Ask him…

lexhamfox on November 26, 2008 at 8:56 PM

lexhamfox on November 26, 2008 at 8:49 PM

I suppose so, but frankly I don’t really care. I am so sick of Islam and of waiting for the moderate Muslims generally to speak up. I would love to see Islam expelled from the West (or preferably, the world). And I hope it’s bloody for them.
And speaking as an immigrant to the USA myself, who had to jump through hoops to get a coveted visa, and brings highly desired skills to it, I don’t understand why you are letting in uneducated unskilled sandmonkeys from places like Somalia — what can they possibly add to your country’s culture? What can they possibly do that you can’t do better for yourselves? I don’t want to be diversified just for the sake of it.

Fortunata on November 26, 2008 at 8:58 PM

Let’s just say I’m glad I work in a state where I can have a lifetime license to carry.

aikidoka on November 26, 2008 at 9:01 PM

I’m exactly five miles southwest of Dallas/Fort Worth airport. Just ask. I’ll meet you and Allah anyplace you wish, anytime. Then we’ll let Darwin sort us out.

Limerick on November 26, 2008 at 8:51 PM

You have no clout
You better not try
You better watch out, I’m telling you why.
Twelfth Imam is coming to town

A-Bomb is on list
I’ll use more than twice
Good Muslims who die
Will go to paradise
Twelfth Imam is coming to town

He knows if you’re a Christian
He knows if your a Hindu
He knows if you’re a Jew
He knows if you’re an in-fi-del
He’s told me what to do

So….You have no clout
You better not try, I’m telling you why.
Twelfth Imam is coming to town
Twelfth Imam is coming to town

Aleph on November 26, 2008 at 9:03 PM

I doubt he is a Muslim. If he were he would use the handle Alif rather than the Hebrew Aleph.

lexhamfox on November 26, 2008 at 8:49 PM

Alf, wasn’t he that ugly little green alien on a TV show.

katy on November 26, 2008 at 9:04 PM

bastards.

rob verdi on November 26, 2008 at 9:05 PM

Aleph on November 26, 2008 at 9:03 PM

Thought so. The kid is a eunuch.

Limerick on November 26, 2008 at 9:06 PM

All solved when Obama signs out that Executive Order outlawing terrorism!

highhopes on November 26, 2008 at 9:06 PM

Ummm… most of the Muslims I know here are highly educated. One works at Livermore helping America design new nuclear weapons and another is a retired head of Egyptian intelligence who is helping American DoD types learn Arabic. They are good people for the most part. We aren’t defined by our crazies (think about them all… seriously) and it is a pity if we do that to them too. Our enemies want us to think that way about Muslims so the Holy War they desire comes true. We can’t let that happen. History shows that nobody wins those conflicts.

I think we have a great way of life that can include everyone. I know many Muslims who love their new found freedom and opportunity here and appreciate it for what it is.

AQ kills more Muslims than any other group. Their fans repress many more. We are all at war with them. We will win.

lexhamfox on November 26, 2008 at 9:07 PM

Aleph on November 26, 2008 at 8:45 PM

Hmmmmmmmmmmm………….. so this is the terrorist “chatter” that the FBI was warning us against. Interesting, and I don’t even have a security clearance.

Have fun storming the castle Aleph, I’ll keep the light on for ‘ya…………….

Seven Percent Solution on November 26, 2008 at 9:09 PM

Heh – you mean this clown is a little Jewish DKos liberal? Too funny.

Jaibones on November 26, 2008 at 8:51 PM

By a man’s fingernails, by his coat sleeve, by his boots, by his trouserknees, by the callosities of his forefinger and thumb, by his expression, by his shirt-cuff – By each of these things a man’s calling is plainly revealed. That all united should fail to enlighten the competent inquirer in any case is almost inconceivable.

semloh on November 26, 2008 at 9:09 PM

semloh on November 26, 2008 at 9:09 PM

Very nice………….. have you found nostaw yet?

Seven Percent Solution on November 26, 2008 at 9:13 PM

I am so sick of Islam and of waiting for the moderate Muslims generally to speak up.

Fortunata on November 26, 2008 at 8:58 PM

In medieval times, people created fairy tales and magical creatures to make sense of their world. One of the most endearing is the unicorn, a horse with a single horn that symbolized purity and wholesomeness. In our modern times, people in Europe and the United States consider themselves more sophisticated and rational than people from the Middle Ages, but we still create myths, albeit more subtle ones.

Daily we hear reports of violent acts committed by Islamic terrorists on every inhabited continent. We try to wish it away with the myth of the ‘Moderate Muslim’, telling ourselves the Islamic agenda has been’ hijacked’ by a ‘tiny minority of extremists’ and that soon the huge, silent, moderate majority of Muslims will take charge and change things. However, post 9/11 very few Muslims have condemned terrorist actions. We are still waiting for moderates to stand and deliver, identifying and removing extremist thugs from their mosques and their communities. Waiting for this self-correction is our modern version of searching for unicorns.

Moderate Muslims will not be able to wrest control of the agenda for several reasons. First of all, Mohammed, the Messenger of Allah’s eternal word, was not moderate. No moderate can legitimately tell another Muslim to stop doing the extremist things Mohammed himself did. Also, the Qur’an condones violence and coercion to further the Islamic agenda. People whom we call moderates are labeled hypocrites by Allah Himself in the Qur’an. Moderates will always lose the argument because, as ex-Muslim author Ibn Warraq says, “There may be moderates in Islam but Islam itself is not moderate.”

Islamic expert Daniel Pipes and others estimate ten percent of the Islamic world to be militant. In 1933 when the Nazi party took control of Germany it had 2 million members, comprising only three percent of Germany’s sixty-six million citizens. A tiny minority of extremists can control a vast number of moderates, making them irrelevant.

Placing hope in ‘The Moderate Muslim’ is like searching for unicorns in the forest.
- A_Plague_on_Both_Houses (JihadWatch)

MB4 on November 26, 2008 at 9:17 PM

lexhamfox on November 26, 2008 at 9:07 PM

yeah, yeah and I knew some highly educated Iranians who worked for NASA. Nevertheless, these people were usually running away from Islam in their home countries. While they wouldn’t go so far as to say that they didn’t believe, they certainly weren’t devout. Egyptian and Pakistani intellectuals are beseiged by their Muslim brethren, they just don’t have the guts to tell them to fu’ck themselves. And Somalia hasn’t produced any intellectuals at all, I stand by my view that you have nothing to gain from these uneducated sandmonkeys. Look at that thread about the Twin Cities communities and see.

Fortunata on November 26, 2008 at 9:18 PM

Very nice………….. have you found nostaw yet?

Seven Percent Solution on November 26, 2008 at 9:13 PM

Not yet. If you see him do tell him all is forgiven and he can come back to the city, no questions asked.

semloh on November 26, 2008 at 9:20 PM

Amazing,attacks happen on the globe and
trolls magically appear out of the pile
of camel doo doo!

canopfor on November 26, 2008 at 9:21 PM

Man you guys are easy to troll.

Darth Executor on November 26, 2008 at 9:21 PM

Placing hope in ‘The Moderate Muslim’ is like searching for unicorns in the forest.

MB4 on November 26, 2008 at 9:17 PM

That’s rubbish. I don’t really like their religion but I have lived among them (in the Bangleshi East End of London and in Egypt)and they are law abiding and sincere people for the most part. If they were ten percent militant as your quote suggests things would be much worse in India where they number millions. You need to travel and meet more people.

lexhamfox on November 26, 2008 at 9:22 PM

Man you guys are easy to troll.

Darth Executor on November 26, 2008 at 9:21 PM

Show me a sane man and I will cure him.

Tav on November 26, 2008 at 9:24 PM

You need to travel and meet more people.

lexhamfox on November 26, 2008 at 9:22 PM

Been there done that. You need to read more from Robert Spencer, Hugh Fitzgerald, Diana West, Daniel Pipes and Mark Stein. Maybe read some of the Koran too and look at some of the listings of all the almost countless number of Islamic terrorist attacks over the last few decades. Then maybe get back to me.

MB4 on November 26, 2008 at 9:28 PM

semloh on November 26, 2008 at 9:20 PM

……………. consider it done.

Seven Percent Solution on November 26, 2008 at 9:29 PM

Yep, the Iraq war is won. All the scumbags left with their AK-47’s to go hit soft targets. No U.S. Marines in India to kick them in the ass. I was watching video of the Indian troops, they were crapping in their pants.

izoneguy on November 26, 2008 at 9:29 PM

lexhamfox on November 26, 2008 at 9:22 PM

One thing I figured out when I was in the middle east…

You could be friends, talk, joke, and have good discussions with Moslems…. but then there would be this strange trigger… this line that you could not cross. Once crossed, there was no discussion, there was no faith, you were the enemy… and it wasn’t even really personal…

Those Doctors in Britain awhile back were a perfect example… educated, part of the community… then one day BLAMMO… the Islamic brain switch flipped and they were all the sudden terrorists…

IF 10% of the Moslem community is Radical, then its too many for a Western Society to deal with. Too hard to weed out the radical from the non radical, and our society will not survive the Chaos.

Romeo13 on November 26, 2008 at 9:30 PM

Aleph is like a broken record:

I am urging all armed Canadian Infidel forces who are working against the Islamic Holy Forces of Allah to surrender their weapons immediately.

Otherwise, we will hold them responsible for their actions. Any attempt to fight the Islamic Holy Forces of Allah is pointless. We are committed to putting all of Canada under our jurisdiction.

You cannot have weapons and act against the Islamic Holy Forces of Allah. Any group that tries to fight the Islamic Holy Forces of Allah will be destroyed. The Islamic Holy Forces of Allah will overcome the Canadian Infidel forces and their Hotair stooges.

Aleph on August 6, 2008 at 9:22 PM

Buy Danish on November 26, 2008 at 9:30 PM

Once crossed, there was no discussion, there was no faith, you were the enemy

sorry, should have read

Once crossed, there was no discussion, IT WAS A MATTER OF FAITH, and you were the enemy.

Romeo13 on November 26, 2008 at 9:31 PM

Buy Danish on November 26, 2008 at 9:30 PM

Well done, Buy Danish!

Limerick on November 26, 2008 at 9:32 PM

Rosie O’ Donnell’s radical Christians strike again, I see.

Oh, and memo to the world: THIS is terrorism.

I pray for each and every one of the souls denied their chance at life today.

Hawkins1701 on November 26, 2008 at 9:33 PM

IF 10% of the Moslem community is Radical, then its too many for a Western Society to deal with.

Indeed…. I’m glad it is not the case at all.

I found the trigger with Turks was joking about mothers… BLAMO!!!! It was fine on a landscaping crew in New England but not with Turkish deli workers in Egypt. I lived and learned just I did with my radical Baptist evangelist relatives in Tennessee.

lexhamfox on November 26, 2008 at 9:34 PM

MB4 on November 26, 2008 at 9:17 PM

The same nonsense drives me crazy. We sit there and let the Muslims conduct attacks via irregular warfare, and let them do a fade into the general Muslim population. This is a recipe for a never ending war. The Muslims have a tradition of Ghazi warriors conducting razzia (raids). It is as old as Islam. The Turks called them akinci, the Sudanese call them Janjaweed, we call them Mujahadeen or Jihadi.

They have been at it for 1,400 years but now that Obama is here he can change all that. /sarc

sharrukin on November 26, 2008 at 9:34 PM

Wait, wait, wait… Fox News reporting that a group called “Deccan Mujahedeen” is claiming responsibility. That sounds like a Muslim group! This can’t possibly be right…

RightWinged on November 26, 2008 at 9:35 PM

Wait, wait, wait… Fox News reporting that a group called “Deccan Mujahedeen” is claiming responsibility. That sounds like a Muslim group! This can’t possibly be right…

RightWinged on November 26, 2008 at 9:35 PM

Are you sure that is not Deacan of Mormons? That’s probably it. I warned you all about those Mormons. Has anyone checked on Mitt Romney’s whereabouts?
- Mike Huckabee

MB4 on November 26, 2008 at 9:40 PM

lexhamfox on November 26, 2008 at 9:34 PM

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D8P9KKMG0&show_article=1

Please read the above link, I think you will be, enlightened.

Romeo13 on November 26, 2008 at 9:44 PM

sharrukin on November 26, 2008 at 9:34 PM

Are you kidding me… you think that way of fighting is somehow Islamic or unique to them? LOL

lexhamfox on November 26, 2008 at 9:44 PM

I can’t wait till some socialist journalist,from
the new Information Ministry of of Perpetual Hope
and NeverEnding Change Wing of Obama’s Ministry
of Propaganda gets a interview with William Ayers,
on this terrorist attack!

Oh thats right,Liberals will say its only a few
p#ssed off Jihadys that are engaged in politics
of hate!! (Sarc.).

canopfor on November 26, 2008 at 9:50 PM

Are you kidding me… you think that way of fighting is somehow Islamic or unique to them? LOL

lexhamfox on November 26, 2008 at 9:44 PM

I would suggest you study something of history regarding Islam. You know very little and it shows.

sharrukin on November 26, 2008 at 9:50 PM

lexhamfox on November 26, 2008 at 9:22 PM

Yes, they’re very sincere and law-abiding, until suddenly they’re not. The London bombers after all, were born and bred in Yorkshire and went to school etc etc. And all the time they were Muslims! Who’da thunk it?
The passive muslims are the “lawabiding” majority amongst whom the “terrorists” (their own sons, husbands and cousins) blend and disappear. The same thing happens with the Muslim communities in India, who actively and passively shelter these Jihadis. MB4 is right, we are at war with Islam, not just some terrorists, and apologists like you just fuzzy thing up trying to differentiate between those who abide by the law (while trying to supercede it with Sharia) and those who can’t wait that long.

Fortunata on November 26, 2008 at 9:53 PM

As an Indian, I am outraged at these despicable attacks, and also angry at my govt for engaging in the kind of dhimmi appeasement which has only emboldened these predators to attack us again and again.

This time the terrorists are calling themselves “Deccan Mujahedin”, and the last time they called themselves “Indian Mujahedin”. The fact that they are going out of their way to brand themselves under local names makes me smell a rat. Their naming formula seems to be “(Insert-local-name-here) Mujahedin”

So next time they’ll call themselves “Mumbai Mujahedin”, “Calcutta Mujahedin”, “Bangalore Mujahedin”, or “New Delhi Mujahedin”, etc, etc.

I think that hardliners from Pakistan’s ISI and also Taliban/AlQaeda types are behind these attacks, just like they blew up India’s embassy in Afghanistan a few months ago, as corroborated by the CIA.

But ask yourself — why would some local killers be so interested in US and British passport holders?

Well, we’ve managed to catch some of them, so we’ll soon find out what’s going on.
- sanman

MB4 on November 26, 2008 at 9:58 PM

And again, just how many attackers are we talking about here? Is there an army parading through the streets of Mumbai?

Mumbai, just the one city, has almost 2 million Muslims. And to add to the strife already instilled by the bad ones, it’s gorgeous, romantic Bombay, so everyone wants to go there (I want to go there!) and they’re drowning in Western culture every day, and the hate’s fermenting.

The tiniest sliver of the population is way more than they needed for this.

Tanya on November 26, 2008 at 10:04 PM

Do you even know who he is?

A pope. So?

jgapinoy on November 26, 2008 at 10:05 PM

A pope. So?

jgapinoy on November 26, 2008 at 10:05 PM

He’s been dead for 900 years.

sharrukin on November 26, 2008 at 10:09 PM

they want westerners to legitimize their crimes, as if somehow attacking western people is okay. Of course there are left wingers in this country who think “chickens are coming home to roost” but you would have to be a complete moron to listen to that kind of rhetoric.

rob verdi on November 26, 2008 at 10:14 PM

they want westerners to legitimize their crimes, as if somehow attacking western people is okay. Of course there are left wingers in this country who think “chickens are coming home to roost” but you would have to be a complete moron to listen to that kind of rhetoric.

rob verdi on November 26, 2008 at 10:14 PM

Or to elect someone who did!

sharrukin on November 26, 2008 at 10:17 PM

Time to start tracking down the families of the wahabbists and start killing them. Start with their children. Until they are afraid of their own shadow, the world will not be a pleasant place.

Vashta.Nerada on November 26, 2008 at 10:18 PM

Time to start tracking down the families of the wahabbists and start killing them. Start with their children. Until they are afraid of their own shadow, the world will not be a pleasant place.

Vashta.Nerada on November 26, 2008 at 10:18 PM

Nah, don’t have to go that far… just declare Islam a Political Philosophy rather than a religion, and outlaw it UNTIL the moderates force the Jihadists to stop their war on the West.

Basicly say, sorry, this philosophy will not be tolerated in the West…. so either stop following it, or get the heck out of the West until your philosophy is fit for Modern Society.

Romeo13 on November 26, 2008 at 10:24 PM

Ummm… most of the Muslims I know here are highly educated. One works at Livermore helping America design new nuclear weapons and another is a retired head of Egyptian intelligence who is helping American DoD types learn Arabic.

Anecdotes are not the basis of good policy. And if you are going to point to Egypt as some sort of sane muslim nation, then you are really barking up the wrong tree.

They are good people for the most part.

Not by any of the polling that’s been done with them. For the most part, the muslim world loves their terrorists and hates the West. If you don’t believe the polls, then look at the actions.

We aren’t defined by our crazies (think about them all… seriously)

Our “crazies” don’t have 60%+ approval ratings among the populace.

and it is a pity if we do that to them too. Our enemies want us to think that way about Muslims so the Holy War they desire comes true. We can’t let that happen. History shows that nobody wins those conflicts.

It’s not Holy War, it’s a clash of civilizations. We didn’t start it. They want to fight. I hate to break it to you, but it may take two to tango, but it only takes one to start a war. They’ve done that. I guess they weren’t happy having more free money delivered to them in nice packages (for the oil that they still don’t know how to pump out of the ground, themselves) to act like civilized people.

And, by the way, your stories of life in Egypt are touching. Don’t confuse cultural displays of friendliness with what’s really happening. Westerners tend to make that mistake quite often.

I think we have a great way of life that can include everyone. I know many Muslims who love their new found freedom and opportunity here and appreciate it for what it is.

Again with the anecdotes. muslims have worn out their welcome in the West.

AQ kills more Muslims than any other group. Their fans repress many more. We are all at war with them. We will win.

lexhamfox on November 26, 2008 at 9:07 PM

You are kidding yourself. There may be a few muslims on our side, but that goes no higher than a few percent of teh muslim population. The fact is that Bin Laden and Achmadinejad and Arafat and Hamas and Hizbollah, … are all more popular among muslims than the Nazis were among the Germans. That didn’t stop us from firebombing their cities and killing as many of them as we could (10% of the German population and close to 5% of the Japanese). Those are the numbers among muslims that are going to have to go. Probably more, since the muslims are not nearly as smart as either the Germans or the Japanese.

If you think that the arab/persian/muslim problem is contained in a few cells of terrorists then you know nothing about the nature of their tribal societies and how tribal cultures must be fought.

progressoverpeace on November 26, 2008 at 10:24 PM

Start with their children.

Vashta.Nerada on November 26, 2008 at 10:18 PM

Never, ever harm children They are innocent.

Guardian on November 26, 2008 at 10:25 PM

اذهب قبلة جمل = Go kiss a camel

Someone is leg pulling her

William Amos on November 26, 2008 at 10:28 PM

Vashta.Nerada on November 26, 2008 at 10:18 PM

Yes. That is the only type of war they understand. Anything less is looked at as weakness and just invites more attacks.

progressoverpeace on November 26, 2008 at 10:29 PM

Never, ever harm children They are innocent.

Guardian on November 26, 2008 at 10:25 PM

Read the history of how terrorism was defeated in Argentina in the 1960s and 1970s. This method works. It may be harsh, but it works.

Vashta.Nerada on November 26, 2008 at 10:30 PM

Time to start tracking down the families of the wahabbists and start killing them. Start with their children. Until they are afraid of their own shadow, the world will not be a pleasant place.

Vashta.Nerada on November 26, 2008 at 10:18 PM

I fear this is correct.

SlimyBill on November 26, 2008 at 10:31 PM

Okay well this has been discussed for four pages now, so can we get back to the truly important stuff like why Mormons hate gays?

SlimyBill on November 26, 2008 at 10:32 PM

SlimyBill on November 26, 2008 at 10:31 PM

Golda Meir had a line (paraphrased, I think):

“I can forgive the arabs for killing our children, but I cannot forgive them for making us kill theirs.”

progressoverpeace on November 26, 2008 at 10:32 PM

Nah, don’t have to go that far… just declare Islam a Political Philosophy rather than a religion, and outlaw it UNTIL the moderates force the Jihadists to stop their war on the West.

Which will never happen.

Basicly say, sorry, this philosophy will not be tolerated in the West…. so either stop following it, or get the heck out of the West until your philosophy is fit for Modern Society.

Romeo13 on November 26, 2008 at 10:24 PM

The voluntary exit of Muslims from the West will never happen.

Romeo13,

Do you have any ideas for a non-passive Western strategy should the Muslims decide they don’t want to leave of their accord?

aengus on November 26, 2008 at 10:33 PM

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