Good news: Planned Parenthood of Indiana now offering gift certificates
posted at 1:21 pm on November 26, 2008 by Allahpundit
A little dose of holiday spirit on Thanksgiving eve. And yes, it’s for real.
This year, give the gift of convenience.
“People are making really tough decisions about putting gas in their car and food on their table, so we know that many women especially put healthcare at the bottom of their list to do,” said Chrystal Struben-Hall, Vice President of Planned Parenthood of Indiana…
“They can be seen for sexually transmitted disease screenings, HIV tests and general prostate exams and those kinds of things,” said Struben-Hall.
Some Hoosiers 24-Hour News 8 talked to asked if the gift certificates could be used towards abortions. The answer is yes. But, Planned Parenthood said that’s not the purpose of the gift certificates…
Indiana Family Institute President Curt Smith said he is appalled by the certificates.
“I think the way to help family planning is to give the money where there’s no agenda. So if somebody wants to help a woman at a time of crisis, they can support the life centers throughout Indiana,” said Smith.
Think of it not so much as a gift certificate than as a receipt, in case Santa left something under your tree that you’d like to “return.” Exit question: What kind of relationship would you have to have with someone for a gift certificate from Planned Parenthood to be appropriate? If you’re buying for your significant other, cash works just as well. If you’re buying for friends, um … what’s the message there? “Merry Christmas, buddy. The next prostate exam’s on me.”
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Have fun, folks..
time for me to get dinner together for my family, you know-the ones I never aborted.
jersey taxpayer on April 26, 2013 at 5:01 PM
your daughter is not representative of all women
and what about women who are raped?
nonpartisan on April 26, 2013 at 5:01 PM
That same standard applies for the gun debate as well, right?
rogerb on April 26, 2013 at 5:01 PM
Madoff is in court (now prison) while others aren’t. It means not everybody in the finance business is in court while Madoff broke laws and as a result he is.
Gosnell in court while others aren’t doesn’t mean nobody else is. It means there are others who are not, in fact a significantly larger majority are not and Gosnell is one the rare exceptions.
Are you really seriously that stupid? I wouldn’t be surprised. In this case though you are trolling.
lester on April 26, 2013 at 5:02 PM
Wait. So, you think anyone, who is, personally, opposed to abortion and believes that the legal reasoning of Roe is eerily similar to that of CJ Taney in Dred, as did the very author of Roe, Justice Blackmun, years later and does the uber Progressive, constitutional law professor at Harvard, Larry Tribe, holds those beliefs for religious reasons?
Riddle me this, Yoda: What is my religion?
LMFAO!
Resist We Much on April 26, 2013 at 5:02 PM
Birth control.
Burdens
Jabberwock on April 26, 2013 at 5:03 PM
I just wish the House would stop sending funds to them. Same with NPR.
Mirimichi on April 26, 2013 at 5:03 PM
No, it’s Obama himself.
I hate Obama and all other libs like you just because of yourselves, AS YOU ARE.
No ‘projection’ needed.
Liam on April 26, 2013 at 5:03 PM
It does, so what?
lester on April 26, 2013 at 5:04 PM
Isn’t Armin supposed to be praying to its pedophile prophet 14 times a day? How does it have time to come on here and derail?
Nutstuyu on April 26, 2013 at 5:04 PM
birthcontrol doesn’t work 100%
nonpartisan on April 26, 2013 at 5:04 PM
Did I just give you the keys to derail this discussion too? How long before we’re talking gang violence… should read user names more carefully.
lester on April 26, 2013 at 5:05 PM
Ed, can we trade molester for SWalker?
Nutstuyu on April 26, 2013 at 5:05 PM
A question you really should never be asking anyone on this site.. ever. Then again, projection is the liberal way.
ShadowsPawn on April 26, 2013 at 5:05 PM
I asked you numerous times: “why the particular selection of the words “actual human”".
There are other words you could have used. Why those ones?
You have continually refused to answer. You have attempted to build a couple of strawmen and then a couple of shiny distractions.
And somehow it’s my fault when you avoid. Typical liberal.
I guess you just can’t answer a direct question.
kim roy on April 26, 2013 at 5:05 PM
You mean the 1% of annual totals?
http://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/journals/3711005.pdf
See page 113.
Again, the same standard applies for the gun debate as well, right? That 1% is worth gritting our teeth and enduring the other 99%, right?
Except it’s the opposite number for guns, of course. 1% are related to crime while 99% aren’t.
rogerb on April 26, 2013 at 5:06 PM
Sorry if you don’t understand the point. Maybe you should read it more carefully.
rogerb on April 26, 2013 at 5:06 PM
Neither does abortion…see Gosnell.
weaselyone on April 26, 2013 at 5:07 PM
Yep, you would’ve been better off ignoring my question, since you have no answer.
22044 on April 26, 2013 at 5:07 PM
I don’t quite follow
are you suggesting that raped women should be penalized with having to carry through with their pregnancy…or would you make an exception?
nonpartisan on April 26, 2013 at 5:08 PM
Comment on the Palin Twitchy thread:
davidk on April 26, 2013 at 5:08 PM
I was referring to abortion as birth control.
You just said it differently.
Jabberwock on April 26, 2013 at 5:08 PM
Ideology driven motives when ideology is religious. It’s pretty self-descriptive.
lester on April 26, 2013 at 5:09 PM
Unwanted by who?
weaselyone on April 26, 2013 at 5:10 PM
BTW, I’ve already noted that yours are the most insightful posts.
I believe lester sure is a bright guy, and he’s 100% right about this topic.
rogerb on April 26, 2013 at 5:10 PM
Lester, any opinion? Comment?
Wasn’t he just performing an abortion at the request of a woman, who had a legal right to such?
Why should the government sentenced the man to life and not charge the woman with anything for what was, as you called earlier, a ‘private matter’?
Resist We Much on April 26, 2013 at 5:10 PM
No one is taking anyone rights away. No one is preventing women’s healthcare, that’s just ridicules talk. The only one not getting a choice is the baby. It is murder, plain and simple!
So, Barry the BS’er can count himself as a murderer of innocents.
Kini on April 26, 2013 at 5:12 PM
I answered, then I pasted my answer in last page. You will keep asking a million times. You don’t like the answer so you keep ignoring it.
lester on April 26, 2013 at 5:12 PM
In a sense YOU cannot grasp, she is. YOU are a typical liberal, who understands nothing outside your own selves.
I’m not going to delve into my daughter’s decisions, but right now her CHOICE is my 14-year-old granddaughter — the apple of my eye.
This is probably beyond YOUR limited liberal comprehension, but by not aborting, my daughter has a clear conscience; she didn’t murder her baby.
My family has, holds, and cherishes that girl. We adore her and love having her near.
You liberal baby-killers will never know that sort of thing. YOU would rather just let them be thrown aside.
And YOU dare think your own self somehow ‘superior’?
Liam on April 26, 2013 at 5:12 PM
He actually has a point. Young people claim science for their “evolved” views on abortion, but ignore science when advocating for gheys.
Nutstuyu on April 26, 2013 at 5:13 PM
by the female who has to carry through with the pregnancy
nonpartisan on April 26, 2013 at 5:13 PM
Ed, how about a two-fer? molest and nonhuman for SWalker?
Nutstuyu on April 26, 2013 at 5:14 PM
in that long-winded diatribe, you’ve managed to completely ignore my primary question to you
what do you do with a woman who is impregnated through rape? would you force her to carry through with the pregnancy?
nonpartisan on April 26, 2013 at 5:14 PM
And, 93% of all guns used in gun-related crimes are obtained ILLEGALLY, i.e, stolen or purchased on the street; yet, that doesn’t stop you.
BTW:
After Yesterday’s ‘Million People For Common Sense Gun Control March’ In DC, I Guess Gun-Grabbers Like Obama, HotAirLib, And Nonpartisan Really Showed Us
Big kiss.
Resist We Much on April 26, 2013 at 5:15 PM
Armin Tamzarian – as others have pointed out, you attempt to compare government banning soft drinks with banning abortion is a false analogy.
A soda drink is not a living human being, either actually or potentially, and thus, your comparison is invalid. An embryo is phase one of the human stages of growth and is as such, an actual human being. All humans must go through this phase. Abortion is a violent action against another human being.
To declare that IF one drinks soft drinks THEN one might die is an empty argument for the direct link between the two is statistically irrelevant.
Lester, an embryo inside the womb is a human being in phase one of its growth cycle. No human being on earth exists without having gone through that phase. This has nothing to do with religion but is a biological fact. In many cases, the embryo has to be delivered early, by Caesarian, either because of medical problems with that fetus or with the mother. The neonatal intensive care units care for these babies – some as young as in the fourth/fifth gestational month.
As for the baby being part of the private ownership of the woman, I reject this, for biological reasons. Because all humans must go through this phase of in-womb gestation, then, this period is not the sole property of the mother but must also include the ‘property rights’ of that infant. It had, by virtue of being formed as an embryo, all rights to have that gestation period.
If the woman engaged in an action (sex) that enabled this human being to start its existence, then as I said, its life is not her sole property (ie, it is not her ‘slave’ and she its master). It has its own rights to life.
ETAB on April 26, 2013 at 5:17 PM
So are you.
Are you saying, then, that one’s morals should not drive public policy.
I am a little slow on then uptake sometime, so be patient with me. i want to know exactly where you are coming from.
davidk on April 26, 2013 at 5:17 PM
What is the length of the pregnancy?
weaselyone on April 26, 2013 at 5:18 PM
Was the 16 year old boyfriend a legal provider of abortion services? It’s Texas and all but I still doubt that was the case.
lester on April 26, 2013 at 5:18 PM
Not religious morals.
lester on April 26, 2013 at 5:19 PM
1% of abortions = the most precious jewel that must be protected at all costs, and the other 99% of abortions must be tolerated for that jewel.
1% of firearms are involved in crimes =
(Love your work)
rogerb on April 26, 2013 at 5:20 PM
Note the emotionally driven language.
I would say “require.”
Why should an innocent life be punished for the actions of her father?
davidk on April 26, 2013 at 5:20 PM
So why does abortion have to be the answer for these unwanted or accidental mistakes? Why not let the baby live and give it up for adoption?
Bitter Clinger on April 26, 2013 at 5:21 PM
google is your friend
but off the top of my head, about 9 months, give or take
nonpartisan on April 26, 2013 at 5:21 PM
I’ve been told many times Liberalism is a sickness and I always chalked it up to people just having a difference of opinion. No longer will I believe this after reading some of today’s post. It goes way beyond a sickness to the point of being plain old evil.
DDay on April 26, 2013 at 5:22 PM
From where do you derive your morals.
You dodged the question of whether or not you are an atheist.
Why are your morals superior to any one else’s?
davidk on April 26, 2013 at 5:22 PM
So life is only a religious moral?
Bitter Clinger on April 26, 2013 at 5:23 PM
will you put your money where your mouth is and volunteer to adopt these babies?
are you going to compensate the women for the 9 months of stress and pain of pregnancy and labor
nonpartisan on April 26, 2013 at 5:23 PM
nonpartisan is very passionate at defending abortion at all costs. He must have not believe in science.
kirkill on April 26, 2013 at 5:23 PM
That ‘long-winded diatribe’ was to show you out as the liberal you are: I willful and willing baby-killer.
You are what you are. If you make no bones about it, neither will I, about you.
Onto the subject of rape, another matter about which YOU are willfully ignorant and, hence, liberal…
Plan B is given as a matter of course to rape victims at hospitals. I believe it should be that way.
YOU, being a liberal, have no idea about any of us Conservatives. Yet you DARE presume to pontificate against us all the time?
YOU are an ignorant little sot, like a first-grader trying to tell a helicopter pilot how to fly his aircraft just because he saw it in a kiddie book.
YOU are really a detriment to your own side.
Liam on April 26, 2013 at 5:24 PM
what the hell does science have to do with abortion?
nonpartisan on April 26, 2013 at 5:25 PM
Please provide us with all those polls of the ever increasing support for banning abortions among the young. I’ll try my bestestest to read!
lester on April 26, 2013 at 5:25 PM
Silly ETAB. Injecting logic into a “religious motives” argument.
davidk on April 26, 2013 at 5:25 PM
plan b will not always be given on time to a rape victim
what will you do with a rape victim for whom plan b is too late?
nonpartisan on April 26, 2013 at 5:26 PM
I’m not going to do your homework for you.
But then again I doubt you could read or understand those “funny looking sideways letters” anyway.
tetriskid on April 26, 2013 at 5:27 PM
The definition of life at conception is. And frankly, if you make a venn diagram of Christians and views on abortion you’re in for some unsurprising results.
lester on April 26, 2013 at 5:27 PM
Lol.
tetriskid on April 26, 2013 at 5:27 PM
Are they representative of all women?
Midas on April 26, 2013 at 5:28 PM
You don’t because you can’t because those polls don’t exist. You might find some relief at UnskewedAbortionPolls.com though.
lester on April 26, 2013 at 5:29 PM
Equivocation is a trick of the liberal mind.
They want science but argue religion.
See np:
davidk on April 26, 2013 at 5:29 PM
every women is vulnerable to being raped so its a very important hypothetical
nonpartisan on April 26, 2013 at 5:29 PM
Agreed!
Abortion is about morals.
YOU have none.
Liam on April 26, 2013 at 5:30 PM
It’s ok. Keep telling yourself that.
tetriskid on April 26, 2013 at 5:30 PM
Hey, you don’t have to tell *us*, we get that with every post you make.
Midas on April 26, 2013 at 5:31 PM
Resist We Much on April 26, 2013 at 5:31 PM
My parents taught me murder is wrong. I’m sorry that fear of an imaginary hell is the only thing holding you back but at the same time some people need that to not kill so all is good.
(using murder as an extreme example, not calling you a potential murderer)
lester on April 26, 2013 at 5:32 PM
The purpose of abortion as defined by you:
Who decides if the pregnancy is “unwanted”:
How long is a pregnancy?
Given a 9 month pregnancy, at what point must a woman make the determination of whether or not she wants that pregnancy?
weaselyone on April 26, 2013 at 5:34 PM
Yeah yeah yeah. Next up: Conservative demands a ban on open heart surgery, colonoscopy and various transplant operations after visiting an OR for a day due to being grossed out.
lester on April 26, 2013 at 5:35 PM
Babies are still just a collection of cells. You, right now, are just a collection of cells.
There’s no ontological difference between an early-term fetus and a ‘viable’ fetus. It’s magical thinking, and it’s hilarious seeing it coming from the so-called “party of science.”
I gotta say, as a conservative, it feels nice to be on the right side of history. All the pompous moral peacocking from your side about gay marriage and being on “the right side of history,” it’s going to be awesome when you and the other apologists to baby murder are thrown in the dustbin of history.
Good Solid B-Plus on April 26, 2013 at 5:35 PM
whenever the law states
nonpartisan on April 26, 2013 at 5:36 PM
Provide evidence or quit. You claimed the trends are reversing and magically the youth are pro-life all of a sudden. You can’t provide the polls to back that absurd claim up.
Of course, such polls don’t exist.
lester on April 26, 2013 at 5:36 PM
lester thinks he answers our questions, but only responds to his own strawmen.
it’s ok, though. keep trying.
22044 on April 26, 2013 at 5:36 PM
And even more so if you lot get your wishes with gun control. Why do you hate women?
The daily utter wtf-pwning of nonpartisan continues unabated, I see. rofl
Midas on April 26, 2013 at 5:37 PM
So if you were born in the 18th century you’d have been fine with killing black people? I mean, like fetuses, they aren’t “real” people. Murder is only wrong when it’s committed on a “real” person, right?
Good Solid B-Plus on April 26, 2013 at 5:37 PM
Going to happen.
tetriskid on April 26, 2013 at 5:37 PM
Who gives a sh1t what your parents think. If I want to kill someone who says it is wrong? Your parents? Oh, Puhleeze.
Don’t force your religious motives on me.
davidk on April 26, 2013 at 5:37 PM
Ooh, you must be one of them bitter clinger right-wingers that don’t believe Al Gore.
Nutstuyu on April 26, 2013 at 5:38 PM
It took almost 100 years to get rid of Jim Crow; I’m sure the fight to end legal, subsidized baby murder will take just as long.
Write me a postcard from the wrong side of history, won’t ya? :)
Good Solid B-Plus on April 26, 2013 at 5:38 PM
Who determines that law?
weaselyone on April 26, 2013 at 5:39 PM
My gosh! You gibber without knowing a single thing about how the world is, yet YOU think you’re on top of the world, daring to lecture us?
Plan B is automatically given to rape victims as normal course of treatment in Emergency Rooms. Laws are in place where, if a doctor declines for religious reasons, another doctor will be called in or a referral will be made.
Plan B is effective up to 96 hours after possible impregnation. To save you the hassle of trying to do math, that’s four days.
You liberal love ‘what-if’ situations. they help you avouid the thing you REALLY hate: REALITY
Liam on April 26, 2013 at 5:39 PM
to be frank, if we were born in the 18th century, everyone here would’ve likely owned slaves. morals are determined in large part by society
nonpartisan on April 26, 2013 at 5:39 PM
Hmm; oddly, I’m starting to see an extremely limited scope of extremely late-term abortions for which I might actually become an advocate…
Anyone have a phone number for lester’s mother?
Midas on April 26, 2013 at 5:39 PM
Hey, Liam.
davidk on April 26, 2013 at 5:39 PM
A tumor is a collection of cells and by your definition any collection of cells is life. I advise pro-lifers to avoid any and all tumor
removalmurder operations until further notice. This way you will not only be on the wrong but also on the extinct side of history.lester on April 26, 2013 at 5:39 PM
Are you sure that’s the logical path you want to travel? Because it does not end well for you.
Spliff Menendez on April 26, 2013 at 5:40 PM
None of those procedures, if done correctly, end up with a dead human being.
Why would anybody be “grossed out” by open heart surgery? It’s a pretty miraculous thing, using human ingenuity to sustain life. Your side should try it sometime, instead of endlessly fighting for the right to kill the next generation in utero.
Good Solid B-Plus on April 26, 2013 at 5:40 PM
Not sure Hell has out-bound mail service.
Midas on April 26, 2013 at 5:41 PM
congress
nonpartisan on April 26, 2013 at 5:41 PM
Evidence presented= Gosnell case, follow the case and read where the patients came from, and why, the issue isn’t just the patients, it is the growing lack of doctors who will perform such procedures.
MarshFox on April 26, 2013 at 5:41 PM
and what if a rapist holds the woman captive for a week after the rape occurs? what will you do then?
nonpartisan on April 26, 2013 at 5:42 PM
Federal or State?
weaselyone on April 26, 2013 at 5:43 PM
Look, moron – do you know what percentage of 18th century people owned slaves?
Will you *please* stop humiliating yourself with such abjectly uneducated and ignorant comments? Good grief, you’re an imbecile, and utterly unaware of it. Seriously – please don’t procreate.
Midas on April 26, 2013 at 5:43 PM
lester will do whatever his parents or the state tells him is right.
Somebody never learned the proper basis of morality.
That is why we see people like lester taking away our privacy (email snooping, drones, warrantless searches).
He has zero foundation for morality.
tetriskid on April 26, 2013 at 5:43 PM
Funny bit is, I didn’t force “murder is wrong” on you. You asked for source of my morals and gave you an example.
You are however free to try. I can advise you against the consequences and that’s not the imaginary fiery torture dungeon underground.
lester on April 26, 2013 at 5:43 PM
Lovely, and thank you!
Christ is all, in all.
Liam on April 26, 2013 at 5:45 PM
Stupid can look stupider.
CW on April 26, 2013 at 5:45 PM
also, a large portion of abortions are done by poor minorities
these babies if born would likely be on welfare
so abortion is actually economically beneficial as it reduces the welfare society in a sense
also, given the state of unemployment, our country can’t afford to have more and more people
thats why china is doing well by limiting population growth…or else they would be phucked
nonpartisan on April 26, 2013 at 5:46 PM
You’re not Frank. Frank has a semblance of intelligence. You don’t.
As a percentage of the population more blacks (28%) owned slaves during the peak of slavery than whites did (1.4%).
Oh and by the way…about 2/3 of all the whites came to the US colonies as some type of slave.
Do you get exhausted from being so stupid?
HumpBot Salvation on April 26, 2013 at 5:46 PM
You’re a whack job.
CW on April 26, 2013 at 5:46 PM
A tumor has a unique genetic code separate from the body that houses it?
You know, for being from “the party of science,” you guys are stunningly bad at actually, you know, applying scientific realities to policymaking.
You just basically proved my point. A tumor is a collection of cells. So is a fetus. So are you. There’s an ontological difference between a tumor, a skin tag and a fetus; one is a unique human life with a separate genetic code, the other two aren’t. One has the potential to become an adult human, the others do not, outside of bad sci-fi where your skin tag becomes an evil clone.
The only ontological difference between a zygote that has just implanted and a “viable” fetus is the one you have arbitrarily set because it makes you comfortable with “disposing” of human lives. It is magical thinking; at some point between 18 and 24 weeks or so, a fetus magically becomes a human being deserving protection under the law. What happened, lester? Did it just gain a soul? Was some arcane magick done to imbue it with humanity? Doesn’t seem very “scientific.”
The fact that you hide behind tumors and skin tags is telling.
Good Solid B-Plus on April 26, 2013 at 5:46 PM
LOL, comically and tragically idiotic.
Well done, well done.
Hey, at least we’re holding your attention and you’re not out buggering little boys instead.
Prattle on, Chester.
Midas on April 26, 2013 at 5:46 PM
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