Hope, not change: Gates staying for at least another year

posted at 7:24 pm on November 25, 2008 by Allahpundit

So says Tapper, greatly surprising no one. If any Bush cabinet member deserves to be held over, it’s Gates, but I’m ambivalent all the same. Will he have any major responsibilities beyond leaving Republican fingerprints on a withdrawal from Iraq?

The Iranian issue will probably have to be resolved one way or another this year, so I’m guessing “yes.”

The former Eagle Scout is expected to be rolled out immediately after the Thanksgiving Holiday weekend as part of a larger national security team expected to include Sen. Hillary Clinton, D-NY, as Secretary of State; Marine Gen. Jim Jones (Ret.) as National Security Adviser; Admiral Dennis Blair (Ret.) as Director of National Intelligence; and Dr. Susan Rice as U.S. Ambassador to the United Nations.

Gates was CIA Director for President George H.W. Bush in 1992, and gave the impression to some that he would stay on in that role if asked by incoming President Bill Clinton. Clinton did not keep him on, replacing him instead with Jim Woolsey.

On second thought, if the AP’s right about The One outsourcing foreign policy to Gates and Hillary while he dithers with the economy, maybe Iran’s not on tap this year after all. The goal for 2009 presumably would be to turn the tables on them for once, holding them off with promises of negotiations to come in order to bide time while more pressing matters are attended to — in which case, er, aren’t they just going to use that period to build a bomb? This isn’t, ultimately, a subject that can be booted down the road a la Israel and Palestine. Exit question: On a scale of one to 10, how loud will the nutroots whining about this ideologically impure pick be? (Exit answer: Four.)

Update: “The nomination of Mr Gates and General Jones will anger the anti-war wing of the Democratic party. They will quickly have to come terms with the fact that Mr Obama appears intent on governing as a muscular foreign policy realist.” Give The One credit: The only pick thus far that’s even arguably filibuster-worthy is Holder.


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President-Elect ChimpyMcObamaHitler?

profitsbeard on November 25, 2008 at 7:30 PM

President Obamcclinton

drjohn on November 25, 2008 at 7:31 PM

I just like the fact that Obama can’t choose his own people…because he doesn’t have any of his own people. Shows how shallow he is.

right2bright on November 25, 2008 at 7:31 PM

I’m down with anything that angers the anti-war wing of the Democratic Party.

Cicero43 on November 25, 2008 at 7:34 PM

No change. Same Fauxbama.

BHO Jonestown on November 25, 2008 at 7:34 PM

Mr Obama appears intent on governing as a muscular foreign policy realist.

Yep. That must have been a heckuva National Security briefing between Barry and Dubya.

Reality must have smacked him right between the eyes.

kingsjester on November 25, 2008 at 7:35 PM

Former Eagle Scout?!

Note to Trapper: “Once an Eagle, always an Eagle”.

eaglescout1998 on November 25, 2008 at 7:35 PM

I’m just glad Gates is staying there is hope for our troops with him there.

tee866 on November 25, 2008 at 7:41 PM

Me,thinks the El’Code Pinko’s will be on
the warpath with Hopey’s decision!

Never mind ‘Shock and Awe’,the Anti-War
Moonbats will launch operation ‘Stunned,
Confused,and Betrayed,by der’Changey!A hem:)

canopfor on November 25, 2008 at 7:44 PM

I’m guessing that the briefings and funding mandated by Fred Tompson and Joe Lieberman in the PRESIDENTIAL TRANSITION ACT OF 2000 have had and effect.

This act lessons the financial disclosure requirements and allows full diclosure to incoming key appointments.

This gives Hillary an pass a well. (No pesky digging in to that boring financial stuff).

It’s the “Office of the President Elect” act.

Gates may stay, but probably not for long…

Nelsa on November 25, 2008 at 7:44 PM

I have a lot of respect for Mr. Gates; I’ll sleep better knowing that he’s agreed to serve again.

conservative_in_texas on November 25, 2008 at 7:45 PM

Code Pink and poor Cindy Sheehan must be seething right now.

MikeknaJ on November 25, 2008 at 7:46 PM

Lincoln’s second Secretary of War, Democrat Edwin Stanton, came from a different party. While reluctant at first because of his previous involvement with Lincoln, Stanton proved to be one of the most efficient, loyal and dedicated members of that cabinet. Fittingly, Stanton provided Lincoln’s epitaph: Now he belongs to the ages.

FDR counted on two Republicans to guide his military policy during WWII. Frank Knox was his secretary of the Navy until he died in 1944, and Henry Stimson was his secretary of war.

The similarities will probably end there.

KillerKane on November 25, 2008 at 7:47 PM

I just like the fact that Obama can’t choose his own people…because he doesn’t have any of his own people. Shows how shallow he is.

right2bright on November 25, 2008 at 7:31 PM

Its got nothing to do with shallow. He has absolutely no executive experience, other than his presidential campaign. This is the first time he’s EVER had to hire anyone. He’s taking the easy route.

Shallow, no. Lazy and stupid, yes.

jimmy the notable on November 25, 2008 at 7:49 PM

Why hasn’t victory been declared in Iraq? We’ve won every province and Bagdad is probably safer than Washington. The status of forces agreement is in place,isn’t it? Bush should declare victory or maybe Gates should. Thank the troops Mr. Obama. Thank you troops!!! Thank you Gen. Petraeus!!! Endorse victory now Obama!!

gringo69 on November 25, 2008 at 7:50 PM

I’ll keep my 1st positive comment about Obama succinct.

Good move.

Basilsbest on November 25, 2008 at 7:51 PM

Will Obama’s Presidency be Bill Clinton’s third term or George W. Bush’s third term? Or to rephrase slightly, will Markos Moulitsas and Arianna Huffington jump out of a window of a 10 story building or a 30 story building?

MB4 on November 25, 2008 at 7:53 PM

Welllll! Code Pink,
You look like somebody just walked over your grave.

thomasaur on November 25, 2008 at 7:54 PM

I’m ambivalent

Any decision that the One makes should cause ambivalence even if it seems to be a good one.

baldilocks on November 25, 2008 at 7:54 PM

The Obama guy is the ultimate empty suit.

Question is: how much damage can an empty suit do in 4 years?

stenwin77 on November 25, 2008 at 7:55 PM

thomasaur on November 25, 2008 at 7:54 PM

Nicely put there, Ringo.

Cant’t wait for the show to begin. Popcorn anybody?

kingsjester on November 25, 2008 at 7:56 PM

Yep. That must have been a heckuva National Security briefing between Barry and Dubya.

Reality must have smacked him right between the eyes.

kingsjester on November 25, 2008 at 7:35 PM

I noticed after his first security briefing with the FBI right before visiting the White House that a lot of the arrogance was gone from Obama. He looked like a deer in the headlights walking out of that meeting.

I’m hoping he’s keeping Gates because of the man’s skill set and accomplishments and not to be the scapegoat for any security blunders by team hippie-changey.

Laura in Maryland on November 25, 2008 at 7:58 PM

Barack Obama: Now With 25% Less Hopeychanginess

Cicero43 on November 25, 2008 at 8:01 PM

Obama is a pragmatist and not a far left idealogue? Whodathunkitt??

crr6 on November 25, 2008 at 8:05 PM

Odds he’ll keep Laura Bush as 1st lady?

SouthernGent on November 25, 2008 at 8:09 PM

I noticed after his first security briefing with the FBI right before visiting the White House that a lot of the arrogance was gone from Obama. He looked like a deer in the headlights walking out of that meeting.

Laura in Maryland on November 25, 2008 at 7:58 PM

Yeah, I noticed that, too. Not that it’s in any way encouraging. Barry’s lost some of his cool now that he’s responsible for the safety of 300MM people and large segments of the world. Being POTUS isn’t a cake-walk. If he messes up too badly, those adoring Germans he charmed last summer will be breathing down his neck.

I’m concerned that with the possibility of a global recession/depression oil will be trading around $30/bbl. That’s not such a bad thing except for the fact that the Iranians (and other countries) are going to be feeling the pinch, to say it mildly. They’re going to push Barry’s buttons in ways that MO could never dream of.

This guy will never take the training wheels off his new bike. And many of us may not sleep well for the next 4 yrs.

Cody1991 on November 25, 2008 at 8:10 PM

Code Pink and poor Cindy Sheehan must be seething right now.

MikeknaJ on November 25, 2008 at 7:46 PM

Speaking of St. Cindy…How’d her run against San-Fran-Gran-Nan-Spam-Wham-Bam-Thank-You-Ma’am work out???

Are they doing a recount as we speak???

Now there’s a fight to the death I’d pay to see….

As long as the winner was fed into a wood chipper…

BigWyo on November 25, 2008 at 8:18 PM

Out of curiousity,Obama’s decision of keeping Gates,
has Hopey cleared this with Ayers,or Pelosi yet!

canopfor on November 25, 2008 at 8:23 PM

Give The One credit: The only pick thus far that’s even arguably filibuster-worthy is Holder.

Nonsense. Hillary Clinton has zero credentials to take on the job of SECSTATE. She’s never been on the foreign policy track. Rice, Powell, Notsobright all had experience in foggy bottom and with national security decision making before becoming SECSTATE. Hillary Clinton’s (aka big bottom) experience lies elsewhere.

Filibustering won’t happen because it will be percieved as sour grapes but the woman is utterly unqualified for the job and her nomination is absolutely fillibuster-worthy.

highhopes on November 25, 2008 at 8:23 PM

I just like the fact that Obama can’t choose his own people…because he doesn’t have any of his own people. Shows how shallow he is.

right2bright on November 25, 2008 at 7:31 PM

Its got nothing to do with shallow. He has absolutely no executive experience, other than his presidential campaign. This is the first time he’s EVER had to hire anyone. He’s taking the easy route.

Shallow, no. Lazy and stupid, yes.

jimmy the notable on November 25, 2008 at 7:49 PM

He does have his own people…but even Barry knows they’re way too unsavory to put into positions of power…yet.

selias on November 25, 2008 at 8:23 PM

Odds he’ll keep Laura Bush as 1st lady?

SouthernGent on November 25, 2008 at 8:09 PM

Too white. Michelle Obama provides the right blend of driven Ivy-league educated lawyer combined with the trashiest ‘ho to ever come from the ghetto.

highhopes on November 25, 2008 at 8:25 PM

Obama is a pragmatist typical crooked politician born and bred in the most corrupt politcal sewer in the country, and not a far left idealogue? Whodathunkitt??

crr6 on November 25, 2008 at 8:05 PM

Yeah…and you with your shrewd political savvy knew all this and you voted for him anyway…

Rationalize much??

BigWyo on November 25, 2008 at 8:25 PM

Filibustering won’t happen because it will be percieved as sour grapes but the woman is utterly unqualified for the job and her nomination is absolutely fillibuster-worthy.

highhopes on November 25, 2008 at 8:23 PM

I don’t think it’ll be that bad.

But I’m betting on the whole ‘Welcome to the Team! followed 4 months later by the ‘Oh, by the way..You’re Fired!!’ scenario….

BigWyo on November 25, 2008 at 8:32 PM

E pluribus tres: Bill, Hillary and Barack.

Entelechy on November 25, 2008 at 8:36 PM

I guess reading those Presidential Daily Briefings must’ve put a little hitch in Obama’s HopeAndChange giddy-up.

eeyore on November 25, 2008 at 8:41 PM

I am excited about this, one of my biggest hopes for and Obama Admin was the retention of Sec. Gates.

If Obama wants to do his big Pentagon audit, Gates is the best man for the job.

Squid Shark on November 25, 2008 at 8:41 PM

Obama names Bill Clinton to presidential post.

said Clinton. “I’m looking forward to getting back behind, and under, the Oval Office desk again. As I have told the President-Elect, I pledge to do whatever I can to serve his historic administration by making sure that none of that bullshit he talked about during the campaign will ever see the light of day.

but a steady stream of Clinton-era appointees since the election has left some charging that he had betrayed his campaign promises to bring them to Washington as part of a sweeping culture of change – a charge that Mr. Obama vehemently accepted.

“Oh, for crissakes. Are you kidding me? Are you friggin’ kidding me?” asked Obama. “Of course I betrayed those goddamned idiots. Have any of you actually spent five minutes with them? I have, unfortunately. Nothing personal, but I wouldn’t trust these internet windowlickers with a plastic spork from Taco Bell, let alone a freaking $3 trillion dollar budget global superpower. Look, I may be naive, but I’m not stupid. And if Kose or Koz or whatever the fuck his name is thinks for one second I give a rat’s ass about who he wants in charge of the Treasury Department, he’s even stupider than he looks.”

Entelechy on November 25, 2008 at 8:42 PM

Jones, Gates, and HilDog running foreign policy sounds like a good deal for America. No insane NeoCons, no pinko white flag waving leftists…just realpolitical expertise…so far so good Obama…so far so good.

ernesto on November 25, 2008 at 8:56 PM

If Obama wants to do his big Pentagon audit, Gates is the best man for the job.

Squid Shark on November 25, 2008 at 8:41 PM

I disagree with you Squid in this aspect. Unless there was some aspect of the deal we don’t know, Gates will be surrounded by Obama appointees and you and I both know that Democrats in top positions at the Pentagon aren’t ever exactly supportive of the troops as much as they are in making statements. Will Gates have people he can trust to do the job that needs to be done or will he be undermined by a bunch of arrogant and frustrated liberals who are out to get revenge from their dismissal during the Rumsfeld years?

The only positive I’m taking out of this is that I heard General Jones speak a couple weeks ago and he appears to be level-headed and a good choice. He made it a point to say he was apolitical even though he had given advice to Obama. Which is nice if you know anything about McCain’s people, they were so arrogant on the issue of national security they didn’t bother going outside a very small group with a specific agenda.

I still think it a mistake for Gates to stay in order to give Obama a convenient whipping boy from the Bush administration but I do like the idea that the DOD isn’t going to be completely turned over in the first few weeks of a new administration. I just hope Gates has the capability to be more than a figurehead.

highhopes on November 25, 2008 at 8:57 PM

so far so good Obama…so far so good.

ernesto on November 25, 2008 at 8:56 PM

Until you remember that he undermines it by putting a political hack in charge of the State Department.

highhopes on November 25, 2008 at 8:58 PM

Entelechy on November 25, 2008 at 8:42 PM

That’s really it. I’ve always thought that BO thought the idea of being POTUS was really a great idea but that the practical implementation was above his pay grade. But not to worry!! The guys behind the curtain assured him that he only had to give great, sonorous speeches with the aid of a teleprompter.

Who’s running the country? We’ve already seen that it won’t be Barry. He’s looking forward to the next gig….. consulting, giving more speeches…. what evah! “Bye, suckahs! And good luck!!! Me and MO livin’ large!”

Cody1991 on November 25, 2008 at 8:59 PM

But I’m betting on the whole ‘Welcome to the Team! followed 4 months later by the ‘Oh, by the way..You’re Fired!!’ scenario….

BigWyo on November 25, 2008 at 8:32 PM

Could be. But Obama is never that direct. He’ll announce the resignation of Hillary Clinton before she even knows that she’s resigning.

highhopes on November 25, 2008 at 9:00 PM

Next, maybe Scott McClellan for Press Secretary? He’ll make Obama look manly by comparison.

Cicero43 on November 25, 2008 at 9:01 PM

I guess reading those Presidential Daily Briefings must’ve put a little hitch in Obama’s HopeAndChange giddy-up.

eeyore on November 25, 2008 at 8:41 PM

yep. There are reasons why we do what we do. He’s finding out. Oh but the Bush haters still just hate Bush.

johnnyU on November 25, 2008 at 9:02 PM

highhopes on November 25, 2008 at 8:58 PM

Richardson would have been a political hack
Holbrooke would have been a political hack

Hillary’s as close as you guys are gonna get to a hawk with gravitas at state…how do you figure shes the hack?

ernesto on November 25, 2008 at 9:03 PM

I agree that Holder must not be confirmed; he’s more crooked than Obama, but The One did get elected, so we’re stuck with him. Richardson is a goofball, and DoE lost secrets on his watch, but other than that and his roaming hands he’ll probably get confirmed.

What about Hillary being constitutionally ineligible for SoS? That needs to get more press.

O-Dub on November 25, 2008 at 9:06 PM

I don’t know how Gates was able to jump in there in the middle of the chaos and right the ship, but he really has done a great job. Obama would be crazy to throw him out right now.

WisCon on November 25, 2008 at 9:06 PM

Hillary’s as close as you guys are gonna get to a hawk with gravitas at state…how do you figure shes the hack?

ernesto on November 25, 2008 at 9:03 PM

Having a fat ass isn’t what they mean by gravitas.

Holbrooke, was an Asst. SECSTATE, ambassador to Germany, Peace Corps official, involved in the Dayton Peace Accords, and runner up to notsobright for SECSTATE in the Clinton years. What does fatass bring to Foggy Bottom?

highhopes on November 25, 2008 at 9:09 PM

Next, maybe Scott McClellan for Press Secretary? He’ll make Obama look manly by comparison.

Cicero43 on November 25, 2008 at 9:01 PM

Except that McClellan has proven that he is utterly incompetent as a communications official. Even Obama isn’t that stupid.

highhopes on November 25, 2008 at 9:12 PM

Well, I guess we can all stop worrying now. Obama’sa swell guy who will be a super terrific-o prez.

angryed on November 25, 2008 at 9:15 PM

highhopes on November 25, 2008 at 9:09 PM

Hey, i personally liked the idea of holbrooke at state, but he’s not a SECSTATE…hes an inside baseball behind the scenes operator…a hack, if you will. Hillary, though her ass is indeed large, has actual working relationships with the senate foreign relations leadership…as well as having been there with Bill while he did the rounds internationally. You’ve got to do alot better than “having a fat ass” to make a reasoned argument, you idiot.

ernesto on November 25, 2008 at 9:20 PM

What does fatass bring to Foggy Bottom?

highhopes on November 25, 2008 at 9:09 PM

A fatass at Foggy Bottom is better than one at home, or in the Senate, plotting against the O.

Entelechy on November 25, 2008 at 9:24 PM

You’ve got to do alot better than “having a fat ass” to make a reasoned argument, you idiot.

ernesto on November 25, 2008 at 9:20 PM

Agreed and being along on official trips with real politicans in order to get roses from little children (if you aren’t dodging fictional snipers) isn’t the same thing as crafting foreign policy, moron. Neither is hanging out in the Senate.

I’ll ask again. What credentials and accomplishments does fatass bring to the job? All the recent SECSTATEs have had real experience and credentials. Bill Clinton purchased Hillary’s Senate seat and she’s never ever been interested in foreign policy until now. Fatass is trying to remake herself into a modern-day Eleanor Roosevelt. You defend her so make the case in substantive terms. Why is fatass the best choice Obama has in that very critical job? Her husband’s foreign policy resulted in the incineration of over 3,000 during the 9/11/01 atrocities so why should we trust her now? Make the case or STFU.

highhopes on November 25, 2008 at 9:30 PM

highropes, he has no clue how to run the office. He had outsmarted the Clintons during the run, and now needs both of them to run the office. Also, he’ll have her close, versus plotting against him.

E pluribus tres: Bill, Hillary and Barack – our next administration, no matter all the other chatter.

Entelechy on November 25, 2008 at 9:34 PM

highhopes, so sorry, I misspelled your nom de internet :(

Entelechy on November 25, 2008 at 9:35 PM

Laura, I thought the same thing, I think they lowered the boom on him and it totally ‘lifted the scales from his eyes’ on what he can and cannot do in re foreign policy and Gitmo et al…

ginaswo on November 25, 2008 at 9:35 PM

The Obama guy is the ultimate empty suit.

Question is: how much damage can an empty suit do in 4 years?

stenwin77 on November 25, 2008 at 7:55 PM

Well, all these retreads are insurance against his ravaging the china shop too much, or at least having someone handy to take the heat. O’Same the Figurehead.

ddrintn on November 25, 2008 at 9:46 PM

highhopes on November 25, 2008 at 9:30 PM

Simply put…fatass was better than the alternatives. The only democrats in the running with enough experience at least discussing foreign policy were her and waffles. Now, understand those were simply the facts on the ground…there were no magic good alternatives to go to. Holbrooke is a fine operator and skilled in diplomacy, but again hes literally a hack…a behind the scenes guy. Now the SECSTATE basically has to convey the president’s message and advise the president on courses of action. Would you want Kerry advising the president on how to handle iran or russia, or would you like HilDog. Remember, this isnt the presidency we’re talking about, this isnt about whos the best leader…its about “can this person be my surrogate and are this persons stances on international issues favorable” Hillary can be forceful with anyone out there, and she brings a somewhat hawkish viewpoint to the discussion around the NSC and foggy bottom.

Again, im not saying shes perfect, but the only other option was Kerry…and he’s simply a wimp who advocates idiotic positions. Ill take a ballbusting harpy like hildog any day

ernesto on November 25, 2008 at 9:52 PM

Lets get real and call this entire disaster an experiment in racial healing and affirmative action gone wild. If Obama were Barry O’Bannon (mick from Aurora) we’d be cursing Juan McCain’s bipartisan cabinet picks. We will all suffer at the hands of this inexperienced Marxist opportunist. I can only hope we survive and take from this bitter lesson in identity politics a hard and painful experience that forever dooms populist candidates.

dmann on November 25, 2008 at 10:06 PM

Again, im not saying shes perfect, but the only other option was Kerry…and he’s simply a wimp who advocates idiotic positions. Ill take a ballbusting harpy like hildog any day

ernesto on November 25, 2008 at 9:52 PM

You’re not getting it. In an incoming administration that campaigned on the idea of change, I would hope that the choices for SECSTATE don’t boil down to the US Senate and Kerry or Clinton. Where’s the change in that? I do get your point about Holbrooke being an insider (aka hack).

Nevertheless, SECSTATE is something more than a propagandist for the administration’s positions. If we were talking about the Secretary of Education or Commerce, I’d agree with you. SECSTATE is a real job with real consequences. The person in that job really has to sell those positions and I still think that we should be putting a professional in the job instead of handing it over to an unqualified choice like Hillary Clinton. It simply hasn’t been part of her experience. With a President learning on the job we don’t need a Secretary of State that is equally clueless.

highhopes on November 25, 2008 at 10:08 PM

Well it will sure be cutesy on the nightly news when Republican Gates, with Obama’s hand up his back, mouthing the common sense of defense cutbacks and base closings.

Limerick on November 25, 2008 at 10:10 PM

Lets get real and call this entire disaster an experiment in racial healing and affirmative action gone wild.
dmann on November 25, 2008 at 10:06 PM

We’ve got four long years to do that in the same way throwing out a “DC Insider Republican” like Ford left to four long years of dealing with a complete disaster like Jimmy Carter who continues to be the gift that keeps giving increasingly insane commentary.

highhopes on November 25, 2008 at 10:14 PM

Limerick…

Won’t that be a knife in the neck! Gates will do it, he dosen’t want to be a racist.

dmann on November 25, 2008 at 10:16 PM

highhopes on November 25, 2008 at 10:08 PM

I understand what you’re saying, and my faith my turn out to bite me in the ass…but it is what it is. The only “professional” the democrats had (being out of power for as long as they were) was Holbrooke. There simply was no other choice. If there had been, then things would be different. But you’re wishing for something that never was man.

ernesto on November 25, 2008 at 10:18 PM

dmann on November 25, 2008 at 10:16 PM

Yeah. The ONLY thing that we should be reaching across the aisle with is a right cross.

Limerick on November 25, 2008 at 10:20 PM

highhopes…

Yep, the question is how much damage will Obama do? Carter’s policies are still paying dividens for our enemies and Obama is left of jimah. Armed revolt is looking better everyday……

dmann on November 25, 2008 at 10:22 PM

dmann on November 25, 2008 at 10:22 PM

So Obama’s foreign policy team looks to be Hillary, Jim Jones, and Gates…with smatterings of Biden. And thats left of Jimmy Carter? Armed revot? Are you mad?

ernesto on November 25, 2008 at 11:01 PM

Mad is only the first round. We have handed the security of this country and most of the decent world to a man who has demonstrated a calculated detachment from the principles of freedom and independence. Hillary as S.O.S. is ridiculous, absolutely no relative experience or knowledge (Obama panders to women and Hillary is such a power whore she can not refuse) Gates is their to be sacrificed when the shit hits the fan (blame Bush) Jim Jones, well color me surprised that Obama actually picked someone who has worn the uniform for a national security position. Obama et. al. is a recipe for disaster, lets hope the conflict occurs early before The One guts the defense department for ghetto mortgages!

dmann on November 25, 2008 at 11:39 PM

a hack, if you will. Hillary, though her ass is indeed large, has actual working relationships with the senate foreign relations leadership…as well as having been there with Bill while he did the rounds internationally. You’ve got to do alot better than “having a fat ass” to make a reasoned argument, you idiot.

ernesto on November 25, 2008 at 9:20 PM

You are full of yourself. Lard A** has no foreign relations experience at all! You actually think Lard A** was with Bill when he was international? You are full of crap on that. I have a friend, personal friend. Hillary did other things when they were together in other Countries. She knows nothing on Foreign Affairs what so ever. Is not her Lard A**. She is a nit wit.

sheebe on November 25, 2008 at 11:56 PM

Three points on Jones:

1. While SACEUR and EUCOM Commander, the NATO ministers LOVED him. He worked tirelessly to keep NATO together through some rough times with the Bush admin.

2. Jones, like Obama wants to end the US nuc umbrella for Europe. He spoke often about it while wearing his EUCOM hat, although he wouldn’t bring it up with NATO.

3. Jones has most recently been Bush’s Israel-Palestine Security Coordinator, with little success.

How this will work out, if Obama follows through with his promises to drawdown nucs, kill missile defense and divide Jerusalem, will be really interesting. Jones brings some sense of stability, but his policies align closer to Obama than Bush.

rotorhead on November 26, 2008 at 12:16 AM

All the Dems were probably too scared to be Sec of Defense. Bunch of nancy boys.

PattyJ on November 26, 2008 at 12:20 AM

Well it will sure be cutesy on the nightly news when Republican Gates, with Obama’s hand up his back, mouthing the common sense of defense cutbacks and base closings.

Limerick on November 25, 2008 at 10:10 PM

There actually are lots of bases that still could be closed without harming the military. There’s no reason the Naval War College has to be in Newport, RI. That’s amazingly expensive real estate that costs an arm and a leg to heat…and students have to live in horrible neighborhoods because military pay isn’t up to Newport prices.

Hanscom AFB in Boston–same same. Los Angeles AFB. Everything at Minot AFB could be moved down to Grand Forks, which is a hell of a lot nicer place to live anyway.

Canon AFB in New Mexico is another armpit…those assets could move elsewhere and no AF members would mind. Send everybody to Dyess (Abilene, TX) or Luke (outside Phoenix, AZ) or Creech (northwest of Las Vegas).

funky chicken on November 26, 2008 at 1:31 AM

2. Jones, like Obama wants to end the US nuc umbrella for Europe. He spoke often about it while wearing his EUCOM hat, although he wouldn’t bring it up with NATO.

Good. We can’t afford to be their daddies any more. They have had 60 years to rebuild after WW II. Time for them to step up.

funky chicken on November 26, 2008 at 1:33 AM

“The nomination of Mr Gates and General Jones will anger the anti-war wing of the Democratic party. They will quickly have to come terms with the fact that Mr Obama appears intent on governing as a muscular foreign policy realist.”

Well yeah the deal with the Iraqi government pretty much ends Iraq and Obama wanted to concentrate on Afghanistan anyway. I don’t think this represents some sort back track. It is pretty much what he campaigned on and now with the success of the surge it is the Bush policy too. Everyone should be happy.

lexhamfox on November 26, 2008 at 3:27 AM

2. Jones, like Obama wants to end the US nuc umbrella for Europe. He spoke often about it while wearing his EUCOM hat, although he wouldn’t bring it up with NATO.
Good. We can’t afford to be their daddies any more. They have had 60 years to rebuild after WW II. Time for them to step up.

funky chicken on November 26, 2008 at 1:33 AM

Only if you want nuclear proliferation to spread and NATO to fall apart- the Germans could probably build a bomb in a year or so. Ukraine probably a few years later. Plus, those socialist countries will never pony up for conventional forces. Watch Russia start to run wild if Obama has his way.

rotorhead on November 26, 2008 at 4:55 AM

I’m not going to let ObaMcCarthy and EmanuelBergen lull me into complacency with the rhetorical moderation. I figure that this is just a way to put the RINO’s at ease and get them in a good mood so he can drag out McCain and other traitors to conservatism to lead the charge to enact his Marxist agenda.

csdeven on November 26, 2008 at 6:41 AM

I wonder if there is way more going with Iran than we know about. It seems to me that after those CIA briefings we saw a shift from Obama. Makes me wonder.

Terrye on November 26, 2008 at 6:48 AM

csdeven:

McCain is not a traitor to conservatism, but when I read your post it is obvious how Republicans lost the election this year, they were too busy trashing each other to bother supporting each other and defeating the Democrat.

Terrye on November 26, 2008 at 6:50 AM

Obama doesn’t know diddly about foreign affairs or managing armies….so he’ll let relative success and Bill Gates reign overseas. Good news.
Bad news: Obama doesn’t know diddly about managing our economy successfully and he’s going to BLANK with us here. Everyone don’t spend squat over the Holidays…hang on to everything you’ve got including your kids and head for the storm cellars January 20, 2009.

gracie on November 26, 2008 at 6:57 AM

HopenSame!

drjohn on November 26, 2008 at 7:17 AM

McCain is not a traitor to conservatism,

Terrye on November 26, 2008 at 6:50 AM

Bwahahahahaha!!!! We lost because we nominated a democrat lite instead of a real conservative. McCain’s disgust for conservative principles at CPAC last year was the capstone of his political attitude toward conservatives. His basic political philosophy can be determined by the legislation he supports. CFR, Shamnesty, etc. His days as a voice in the republican party are drawing to a end. Good riddance to bad trash.

csdeven on November 26, 2008 at 8:17 AM

Shallow, no. Lazy and stupid, yes.

jimmy the notable on November 25, 2008 at 7:49 PM

When I say shallow, I mean his stream or pool of people he can pull from is shallow. He has so little time spent in office he doesn’t have a group of experienced people to draw from.
I don’t know anything about him personally, so I just remark on his lack of depth as a leader…it is shallow.
We are saying the same thing…although I doubt he is “lazy” and he certainly is not stupid…foolish and politically naive maybe, but not stupid.

right2bright on November 26, 2008 at 8:52 AM

yep the more things change the more they stay the same. Ah such is the reality of governing.

kanda on November 26, 2008 at 10:54 AM