Bush Issues 14 Pardons to Criminals
–Voice of America

…as opposed to issuing pardons to innocents, I assume…

John Bibb

fogw on November 24, 2008 at 6:13 PM

That is right! They didn’t shoot him in the back. Even if they did, so what! He was running and had broken the law. Those two need to be pardoned. That was the most unjust verdict ever! They protect us from hoods like that man. Then they get locked up. Free The Border Agents!

- The Cat

I’ve been following the case closely. I protested outside Sutton’s office, got my picture in the San Antonio paper and the Texas Monthly Magazine at the protest. Here’ the poop: The jury didn’t know that the weapon discharge charge carried a 10yr mandatory sentence. Sutton admitted this on a television interview. The rest of the ‘offenses’ were two year sentences. We are coming up on two years, I seriously think that they need to be pardoned. They will have served time for all but one of the charges. And, there is actually doubt as to the validity of the weapons discharge count in the first place.

They need to be pardoned.

Libby, Ramos, and Compean should be 1, 2, and 3 on his list. The first was not guilty. The latter two should have served at most a year, but firing them could have been justice enough. Unfortunately for them, their screw-up was on border security, something to which our current president was virulently opposed, and an ambitious prosecutor who knew the way the political winds were blowing thought it would be great for his career to send a message as a whole to those tasked with defending our borders. The prosecution of Ramos and Compean was, more than anything, a political prosecution designed to make a point, not to do justice.

thirteen28 on November 24, 2008 at 5:13 PM

Both Bush appointed prosecutors, BTW. And Fitz, the one who went hard after Cheney’s staff in the Plame idiocy even though HE KNEW the leak came from Powell’s staff, is the same guy who decided to postpone the Rezko sentencing until after the election.

And I believe it was after the Libby show trial that Cheney made his famous comment that the VP doesn’t have to follow all the commands from the POTUS…the left threw fits, but it turned out that Cheney was correct.

Cheney gave McCain a very nice, wholehearted endorsement before the election, when Bush never did.

Just random thoughts, but Paulson/Bernanke/Cox isn’t the only thing smelly about the White House lately.

I got to hear the “tolerant left” ranting about it today. Oddly, not a word about Clinton’s pardons, of course, or how few Bush has granted so far.

Frankly, this case left a very bad taste in my mouth…
Esp when you consider ALL of the facts…
Not just what the jury heard.

jerrytbg on November 24, 2008 at 8:03 PM

The alleged victim was allowed to take the fifth. The only case in US history where this has happened or will likely ever happen again. Meanwhile, after the Bush Team succeeded at preventing the defense from questioning the “victim” about his history, they led their victim witness to testify about how he knew nothing about drug trafficking even though they knew that he had been caught red handed months later as he was trafficking thousands of pounds of narcotics using DHS VIP border pass that allowed him to bring the narcotics in unchecked.

It’s nearly impossible to wrap your mind around how dirty these Texas Bush cronies are, it causes nausea to really look at it closely, which is why they aren’t in jail and Ramos and Compean are in jail.

whitetop: “Would be funny watching the apopleptic race baiters pressure Obama to reverse it.”

I assume part of your fun would include knowing that Obama can’t reverse a predecessor’s pardon, right?

Release the Border Patrol agents, then throw Bush’s buddy Johnny Sutton IN jail!
try again later on November 24, 2008 at 8:11 PM

I’ll second that and include Bush in the deal.

Bush commuted Libby’s sentence for obstruction of justice and perjury but refused to pardon him outright

That was a criminal travesty. He should have pardoned the guy a lot sooner; it was a media manufactured issue from the get-go.

Pardon the Haditha Marines!

Release the Border Patrol Agents and clear their names…

And he may have been armed. He made his way back into Mexico without being arrested.

The so called “covered up” was picking up their shell casings along with their supervisor and not filing a report to their supervisor informing the supervisor that a shooting had occurred.

This is a case of applying the rules to the letter and disregarding the reason why the rule exist.

The Amirault family: victims of 1980s day care abuse hysteria and manipulative interrogation of children

its just the right thing to do.

firepilot on November 24, 2008 at 5:03 PM

Simply Eloquent.

Bush won’t pardon Ramos and Compean.

I am surprised to see so many on HA calling for their pardon. The sentiments in my area of Texas are exactly the opposite.

I think he’s finished with Libby, too. I don’t think we’ll see a pardon for Scooter.

conservative_in_texas on November 24, 2008 at 5:37 PM

Does your “part of Texas” include the other half of Sutton’s marital bed?

I lived in one of the most “La Raza” parts of Texas during this fiasco before moving to CA, and even there what you just described couldn’t be any further from the truth.

pffffffffffffft.

Close enough she was convicted of telling the Fed’s “NO, she didn’t receive a phone call from X”

If she had said “I don’t recall” she would not have been charged or convicted.

The “crime” Ignacio Ramos and Jose Compean were convicted of was “not filling out a report” to their supervisor informing the supervisor that a shooting had taken place.

The logic behind this rule is that the supervisor MUST be informed of any shooting (in writing). Fair enough and yes they did not fill out the report.

And it is true that they “Ignacio Ramos and Jose Compean” did pick up the shell casings after the shooting.

It is also true that Ignacio Ramos and Jose Compean had help from other agents in picking up the shell casings.

Among the “agents” helping pick up the casings?

Yep ya know what’s coming don’t ya?

Yep the supervisor who MUST be informed of any shooting.

Does anyone think the supervisor DID NOT KNOW a shooting had happened?

Oh, it is because guns were involved that Ignacio Ramos and Jose Compean got 10 years for not filling out the paper work.