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posted at 9:15 am on November 24, 2008 by Ed Morrissey
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Yesterday, Barack Obama’s surrogates fanned out across the talking-head shows to promote Barack Obama’s new jobs program.  Obama promises to create 2.5 million jobs in the next two years through government stimulus packages and heavy reliance on public-works programs.  Many, like the Washington Post, compare his vision to that of FDR — without pointing out that FDR’s programs failed:

The campaign did not release an estimate of the number of jobs that his latest proposal would create. But congressional aides who have been involved in developing stimulus proposals said that any plan to create 2.5 million jobs is likely to be significantly larger — probably well over $200 billion, or between 1 and 2 percent of the gross domestic product.

Such a plan would be bold by historic standards. President Bill Clinton, facing a weak economy when he took office in 1993, proposed a $16 billion stimulus package, which was blocked in the Senate. Obama’s proposal would be an order of magnitude larger, even when adjusted for the larger size of today’s economy.

Some economists have compared Obama’s proposals to the spending spree President Franklin D. Roosevelt launched during his early months in office in 1933. Roosevelt offered jobs programs, such as the Civilian Conservation Corps, and cash for public-works projects, such as the Tennessee Valley Authority, in hopes of easing the pain of the Great Depression.

Lori Mongtomery apparently took pains to use the phrase “in hopes of”.  FDR certainly hoped to alleviate the pain of the Great Depression with his experiment in federal mobilization of the civilian workforce, but he failed to do so.  FDR spent years pulling capital out of the private sector and creating civil-service jobs that underproduced and inefficiently utilized the capital.  The end result was a prolonged depression that only ended when FDR was forced to partner with private enterprise on the war effort in the 1940s.

The best stimulus package that Congress could offer would be a sharp reduction in government spending, accompanied by a decrease in tax rates on investment income — the capital-gains rate.  While few will realize any capital gains in 2008, the commitment to low rates will signal investors to start putting their resources to work again.  Best of all, it will also signal that the government won’t compete for projects that could be accomplished by private enterprise — projects that will get completed more quickly and with better quality than with heavily-bureaucratized government labor.

With Democratic majorities in both chambers of Congress, though, Obama won’t likely see that kind of long-term stimulus to the nation’s economy.  Instead, Congress will confiscate more capital to fund its own projects, making recovery more and more difficult.  They’ll expand government spending while either hiking tax rates, expanding deficit spending, or both.  In the end, that will be as effective as the CCC and the WPA was from 1933-1941.  Hopefully, this time it won’t take American voters that long to reach that conclusion.


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I never would have guessed that “change” meant the 1930’s and the Great Depression all over again. Since so many of the trendy young Obama voters like the retro look, I don’t see the downside.

thuja on November 24, 2008 at 10:48 AM

sherry on November 24, 2008 at 10:47 AM

Yep. Us racist conservatives see Barry as POTUS. The enlightened libs see Barry as the first black POTUS. The rabbit hole is a wonderful place.

Limerick on November 24, 2008 at 10:50 AM

The depression era had its own lawlessness, but in today’s America, a depression would drive people insane and make them desperate; be prepared for that insanity.

Bishop on November 24, 2008 at 10:44 AM

Right on. The previous posters who pointed out we were much more self reliant in the 30’s is true also. My grandfather traveled on week long trips in NC…he would buy chickens in little towns, and sleep in the rail car with them the whole week, just to get by. Who’s doing that today? Emenim?

hippie_chucker on November 24, 2008 at 10:51 AM

The rabbit hole is a wonderful place.

Limerick on November 24, 2008 at 10:50 AM

Yes, but when the enlightened libs are told they have pick up a government shovel to receive a government paycheck to live in government housing and eat government cheese, they may want to dig themselves out of it. We can only hope.

sherry on November 24, 2008 at 10:59 AM

Since I didn’t vote for The One, I will not be digging with a shovel. I would rather die first! How are they going to pay for this ignorant plan? I hope the Obomabots love their new field of employment.

sheebe on November 24, 2008 at 11:01 AM

Apparently Obama is going to save capitalism like FDR did
William Amos on November 24, 2008 at 9:32 AM

Yeah, and I keep thinking it took a world war to get us out of the mess that FDR created. Wonder what’s it going to take this time.

Oldnuke on November 24, 2008 at 9:36 AM

Why not another war? Seriously, I’m afraid that’s where we are headed.

4shoes on November 24, 2008 at 11:02 AM

Guess they should have said, “Change in a Positive Direction That We Can Believe In” so we can get on the right track. Change, for the sake of change, is ludicrous. It is better yet to cut costs and encourage investors by refraining from stifling taxation and finding ways to bring back the $Trillions that were driven off shore by our tax system.

DL13 on November 24, 2008 at 11:08 AM

Obama promises to create 2.5 million jobs in the next two years through government stimulus packages and heavy reliance on public-works programs
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Those kinds of programs don’t create jobs, they simply provide busy work for the unemployed.

highhopes on November 24, 2008 at 9:23 AM

Public works programs such as Obama proposes will require bureaucracy to over see the projects. Thus, more jobs will be “created”—government “clerical” jobs, where accountability is not the watchword and being fired will never occur.

Just look at the obscene “job” promotion and salary increase that Michelle Obama reeceived from federal dollars. How about the mild hand=slapping that Morgan-Kelly (name?) received in Ohio for going above her pay grade by snooping on a citizen who committed the crime of being a Republican?

Obama is growing his constituency of potential voters by making them beholden to the government.

Heh, can you visualize white collar managers and financial whizzes running bulldozers, cranes, and backhoes?

onlineanalyst on November 24, 2008 at 11:09 AM

“Jobs” will be defined very loosely, I’m sure.

As in, payments will be made, but I seriously doubt Democrats are going to demand anything thing other than that employees bother to show up, occasionally, to prove that they’re still breathing.

Democrat politicians have no earthly concept of what work is, since none of them have done a day of it in their princely lives.

They certainly won’t expect their dunderheaded supporters to exert themselves either.

NoDonkey on November 24, 2008 at 11:15 AM

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Limerick on November 24, 2008 at 11:16 AM

“Since I didn’t vote for The One, I will not be digging with a shovel. I would rather die first!”

Dying was one of the choices presented during the Great Leap Forward and it was chosen by millions.

We can call Obama’s plan, “The Great Leap off of the Cliff”.

NoDonkey on November 24, 2008 at 11:17 AM

Anyone else wondering if some of those new WPA jobs might be in Obama’s new “civilian security force”, which he has also promised? 5-700 Billion dollars could buy a bunch of thug power.

MikeA on November 24, 2008 at 11:18 AM

Your faith in trickle down economics is rather quaint.

Grow Fins on November 24, 2008 at 9:38 AM

Trickle up is a phyiscal impossibility. It is a contradiction in terms.

Infusion of cash to the poor or working poor will not create jobs or opportunities for others. These groups, as a general category, spend unwisely, go into credit-card debt by living beyond their means, or live on the public dole. They do not save or invest.

onlineanalyst on November 24, 2008 at 11:20 AM

Limerick!!! too funny….

Get a headstart on your competition in the workplace!

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Limerick on November 24, 2008 at 11:16 AM

hippie_chucker on November 24, 2008 at 11:22 AM

“Trickle down economics” is just capitalism. You kind of have to get money from the people that have money, and in that process, hopefully, become one of the people that has money.

RBMN on November 24, 2008 at 11:25 AM

Heh, can you visualize white collar managers and financial whizzes running bulldozers, cranes, and backhoes?

onlineanalyst on November 24, 2008 at 11:09 AM

For some of them it would be the first honest day’s work they’ve ever had.

highhopes on November 24, 2008 at 11:26 AM

So… our brilliant, never-before-seen-anything-like-him, Messiah…er…. president is going to copy FDR’s failed strategies.

The hangover from this country’s drunken stupidity of electing this empty suit will be quite nauseating indeed.

Sugar Land on November 24, 2008 at 11:28 AM

…are going to demand anything thing other than that employees bother to show up, occasionally, to prove that they’re still breathing.

I would need a lobotomy before working for the fed gov again. I had a temp job for six months and it was the most frustrating, mind numbing, boring job I have ever endured.

If you have ever cut your teeth on corporate america and then work for the fed – it’s the most frustrating thing you can do. God forbid you come up with shortcuts or time/money saving ideas to cut through the redtape – it’s beyond frowned upon – you are looked at as a pariah.

tru2tx on November 24, 2008 at 11:29 AM

I hope this is first step to federal funds for additional rail now in areas where takings could reasonably be accomplished. The only reason I support the federal funding is the need for takings to route rail effectively.

tomg51 on November 24, 2008 at 10:43 AM

Do you work for TxDOT? I ask because of your use of the word “takings.” I worked for TxDOT for several years. Good place to work.

txsurveyor on November 24, 2008 at 10:48 AM

I work in oil & gas design. I use takings as that was the word used when the Erie Canal in NY was expanded, and ancestors lost land that included a “malt house”. Darn.

tomg51 on November 24, 2008 at 11:43 AM

Let’s not forget the Irish model. When they cut government spending and lowered income, cap gains, and especially corporate taxes (12%), they became the Celtic Tiger and went from deep recession to several years of near double-digit growth.

TedInATL on November 24, 2008 at 11:43 AM

So, the Government IS going to go into direct competition with American Business?

Why not, they will already own all the banks… and with Cap and Trade control all the manufacturing…

Romeo13 on November 24, 2008 at 11:48 AM

People need more money in their pockets period. New money to the people is whats needed. We’re all at our ceilings.

Another issue are the credit card practices. The credit card banks are getting bailout money AND still billing customers with huge interest rates.

People are getting sooo screwed especially the ones who are making the payments and not getting bailed out.

johnnyU on November 24, 2008 at 12:01 PM

Imagine if you own a company that builds bridges and roads right now, how you might feel. Feel bad for those guys, unless they’ll be part of the whole mess.

hippie_chucker on November 24, 2008 at 12:08 PM

Let’s not forget the Irish model. When they cut government spending and lowered income, cap gains, and especially corporate taxes (12%), they became the Celtic Tiger and went from deep recession to several years of near double-digit growth.

TedInATL on November 24, 2008 at 11:43 AM

They also received massive subsidies from the rest of the EU.

lexhamfox on November 24, 2008 at 12:11 PM

Yeah! The Big Dig x 1000. Didn’t that work out great. (Duck!)

hamnj7 on November 24, 2008 at 12:14 PM

The best stimulus package that Congress could offer would be a sharp reduction in government spending, accompanied by a decrease in tax rates on investment income — the capital-gains rate.

As others have said, the corporate tax rate should be cut to compete with Ireland. Dividend taxes too should be cut. As for Barry’s “stimulus” package – it is nothing but a very high-priced payoff to the unions.

Buy Danish on November 24, 2008 at 12:14 PM

TVA, CCC, WPA – I guess we’re in for a bunch of new three letter programs. I think there is a four letter for that.

Done That on November 24, 2008 at 12:15 PM

I could be wrong, but I thought Obama talked about “Creating or saving 2.5 million jobs”

’saving’ being the operative keyword

But, alas, we see the MSM contining to carry The One’s water

gatorboy on November 24, 2008 at 12:16 PM

The reason ObaMcCarthy doesn’t want to open the recovery to the free market is because it seriously limits his ability to control the populace.

Every single one of you Obama supporters can go straight to hell.

csdeven on November 24, 2008 at 12:18 PM

I’m going to start a rabbit farm and sell conejos to the hordes of homeless roaming the countryside in search of work…brutha, can you spare a dime?

Wyznowski on November 24, 2008 at 12:26 PM

I, for one, welcome our new Communist Overlords.

Elizabetty on November 24, 2008 at 12:28 PM

Apparently Obama is going to save capitalism like FDR did
William Amos on November 24, 2008 at 9:32 AM

Yeah, and I keep thinking it took a world war to get us out of the mess that FDR created. Wonder what’s it going to take this time.

Oldnuke on November 24, 2008 at 9:36 AM

Why not another war? Seriously, I’m afraid that’s where we are headed.

4shoes on November 24, 2008 at 11:02 AM

I agree. Most economists understand that war stimulates the economy. Then if you combine this with the comments from Putin, stating that he will not allow the Russian economy to fail (I think he means war), it gets a bit scary. I may be reading too much into this, but if the economy continues to get worse and lasts for an extended time (3 years or more), which is quite possible with Marxist policies, it will turn into a cold war at the least.
Of course you also have the “Test” that Biden has planned predicted will come. I think BO’s reaction to that test (predetermined?) will be the catalyst for the “cold war part”.

Corsair on November 24, 2008 at 12:33 PM

Imagine if you own a company that builds bridges and roads right now, how you might feel. Feel bad for those guys, unless they’ll be part of the whole mess.

hippie_chucker on November 24, 2008 at 12:08 PM

Start your bribing now so you can get some of the contracts.

Corsair on November 24, 2008 at 12:34 PM

Obama just said on live TV he won’t let the big 3 fail, and wants them to retool instead….sigh. Not only is that the reverse of capitalism, its govt. interference in how the product is produced.

Well, I hope the new roads and bridges don’t contain that evil asphalt substance made from that evil oil stuff. And that all the new tires on all the new trucks are made hemp, and the new trucks all run on used frying oil from nanny state approved canola oil fryers….we’ll be fine!

hippie_chucker on November 24, 2008 at 12:38 PM

What is this? The eighth stimulus package this year?

But this one’s actually going to work, right?

Chuck Schick on November 24, 2008 at 12:54 PM

Nothing in your post shows that Obama said “send your kids to public schools.”

mycowardice on November 24, 2008 at 12:13 PM

Ding! Ding! Ding! We have a winner.. Of course, this is a union payoff package. Massive, unnecessary building projects don’t benefit the general populace and surely won’t put the white collar professionals who have lost their jobs back to work.

Illinidiva on November 24, 2008 at 1:01 PM

What is this? The eighth stimulus package this year?

But this one’s actually going to work, right?

Chuck Schick on November 24, 2008 at 12:54 PM

It’s the twentieth I believe. If the gov’t must do a stimulus package, I’d really prefer the tax rebate checks. I personally assure the Messiah that I’ll spend all that money on clothes, shoes, X-mas presents, and other fun expenditures in order to stimulate the economy.

Illinidiva on November 24, 2008 at 1:04 PM

I love it…

Barry is going to take YOUR money and YOUR labor to build GOVERNMENT TOLL ROADS!

We deserve this guy.

Limerick on November 24, 2008 at 1:09 PM

On the plus side, FDR-inspired spending and taxing will likely create jobs – in other countries. The world of the 1930s wasn’t economically knit as closely as ours.

hawksruleva on November 24, 2008 at 1:28 PM

Get a headstart on your competition in the workplace!
Limerick on November 24, 2008 at 11:16 AM

Hee hee! Thanks for the link. I’m going to need to know how to operate one of those when the $hit OBama is spewing gets too deep.

On the plus side, FDR-inspired spending and taxing will likely create jobs – in other countries. The world of the 1930s wasn’t economically knit as closely as ours.

hawksruleva on November 24, 2008 at 1:28 PM

Yuppers. That’s how our next coming depression is going to play itself out.
Everybody move to China!

Badger40 on November 24, 2008 at 1:38 PM

While I absolutely detest Socialism, I have to ask…

Instead of introducing new spending plans, what if he just required people to work for their unemployment and welfare checks? After all, the government is already paying them money, why not get something out of it?

dominigan on November 24, 2008 at 1:41 PM

It never ceases to amaze me at just how ignorant a lot of people in the country really are. FDR’s “New Deal” didn’t do much of anything to end the depression and for all practical purposes, prolonged it. Only World War II brought about the end of the depression. I’m afraid depressions are going to be the only thing Obama and FDR are going to have in common and it would serve the people who were either foolish or stupid enough to elect him right. Unfortunately, they’re all going to drag the rest of us down with them. There was a sign at Jones Town, Guyana. The one that says those who forget history are doomed to repeat it. There were koolaid drinkers there at the end and they were at the polls on November 4th. Good lucks folks! We’re all going to need it.

TrickyDick on November 24, 2008 at 1:46 PM

Barack Obama’s surrogates fanned out across the talking-head shows

You do know how to create an amusing image, Ed. Great wordsmithing!

Mr_Magoo on November 24, 2008 at 1:49 PM

Let’s not forget the Irish model. When they cut government spending and lowered income, cap gains, and especially corporate taxes (12%), they became the Celtic Tiger and went from deep recession to several years of near double-digit growth.

TedInATL on November 24, 2008 at 11:43 AM

They also received massive subsidies from the rest of the EU.

lexhamfox on November 24, 2008 at 12:11 PM

So are you saying that invalidates the entire model? Ridiculous. To this day Ireland is one of the stronger economies in the EU, and not because of any EU subsidies.

TedInATL on November 24, 2008 at 2:15 PM

Has it occurred to anyone that the only people who will get these jobs will be illegal aliens? Very few American citizens know how to do this type of work anymore.

fleiter on November 24, 2008 at 2:41 PM

Has it occurred to anyone that the only people who will get these jobs will be illegal aliens? Very few American citizens know how to do this type of work anymore.

fleiter on November 24, 2008 at 2:41 PM

Racist! Ok, you’re right…but think of it as an intra-border stimulation package instead. I do like the thought of a bunch of prissy liberals holding up cardboard “Will work for Arugula” signs at a busy intersection…

Wyznowski on November 24, 2008 at 3:08 PM

“Instead of introducing new spending plans, what if he just required people to work for their unemployment and welfare checks? After all, the government is already paying them money, why not get something out of it?”

Because hiring people to supervise them and to actually get something out of them, will cost three times as much as what they actually produce?

We have to machines that can sweep streets and sleeping, drinking, doing drugs, fornicating and buying lottery tickets will not take us down the road to prosperity.

So since the “skills” of Obama supporters have been exhausted by the forementioned, someone will have to think of something else.

NoDonkey on November 24, 2008 at 3:34 PM

Yeah, and I keep thinking it took a world war to get us out of the mess that FDR created. Wonder what’s it going to take this time.

Oldnuke on November 24, 2008 at 9:36 AM

Not only did we get a World War, most people are ignorant of what history called FDR’s “little depression” in the late 1930’s. It was aided by all of the welfare programs so beloved by the Left.

oldleprechaun on November 24, 2008 at 4:08 PM

Here’s what’s mind-boggling to me: A man who has never even had a productive job, much less created one now thinks he knows how to create 2.5 million jobs?

Government jobs destroy wealth, because they either produce no outcome or are grossly inefficient. I have had the misfortune to work as a vendor to many (mostly State-) Government departments, and they are so absurdly dysfunctional that no business could survive being run that way — not even the automakers.

This is going to be a fuster cluck of monumental proportions, and it’s going to set our standard of living back a generation or more. Just thinking about it makes me feel ill and sad for all the folks who are going to be hosed out of jobs that they could have had were the government to just get off the backs of the employers, and stop discouraging capital formation and employment.

mr.blacksheep on November 24, 2008 at 4:24 PM

Your faith in trickle down economics is rather quaint.

Grow Fins on November 24, 2008 at 9:38 AM

I guess we’re in good company since Obama’s postponing the tax hikes on the rich.

Chuck Schick on November 24, 2008 at 4:25 PM

Your faith in trickle down economics is rather quaint.

Grow Fins on November 24, 2008 at 9:38 AM

I guess we’re in good company since Obama’s postponing the tax hikes on the rich.

Chuck Schick on November 24, 2008 at 4:25 PM

Yeah, how curious. Aren’t these the “failed Bush policies”? If they’ve failed so badly, why’s OBoingo going to continue with them?

Not only that, but he’s not going to get rid of the option to use “torture”. Now is he going to get rid of warrantless wiretapping. Oh, those failed Bush policies.

I guess the leftards are only now just beginning to see how badly they’re going to end up being sold-out. Schadenfreude galore!

mr.blacksheep on November 24, 2008 at 4:31 PM

Now = nor

mr.blacksheep on November 24, 2008 at 4:31 PM

Your faith in trickle down economics is rather quaint.

Grow Fins on November 24, 2008 at 9:38 AM

Trickle up is a phyiscal impossibility. It is a contradiction in terms.

Infusion of cash to the poor or working poor will not create jobs or opportunities for others. These groups, as a general category, spend unwisely, go into credit-card debt by living beyond their means, or live on the public dole. They do not save or invest.

onlineanalyst on November 24, 2008 at 11:20 AM

I’ve been waiting for people to start calling “trickle-down economics” “quaint”, “obsolete”, or “old-fashioned.” That lets them mock the idea without being able to answer what’s wrong with it.

I remember Obama saying we needed to grow the economy “from the bottom up.” The first thing I said — though only my family was there to hear me — was, “How exactly do you grow a capitalist economy from the ground up?”

Capitalism is called that because businesses need capital. That is top-down, by definition.

Apparently, Obama’s promised changes include changes to the laws of physics…

tom on November 24, 2008 at 6:13 PM

Let’s not forget the Irish model. When they cut government spending and lowered income, cap gains, and especially corporate taxes (12%), they became the Celtic Tiger and went from deep recession to several years of near double-digit growth.

TedInATL on November 24, 2008 at 11:43 AM

They also received massive subsidies from the rest of the EU.

lexhamfox on November 24, 2008 at 12:11 PM

So are you saying that invalidates the entire model? Ridiculous. To this day Ireland is one of the stronger economies in the EU, and not because of any EU subsidies.

TedInATL on November 24, 2008 at 2:15 PM

No. I think it is a solid model. But the subsidies were a vital component to it. You made it sound like tax cuts alone led to its success and they were important but over the years many billions of Euros and Pounds were pumped into Ireland’s economy by the EU. Ireland’s government put together excellent long term plans and invested in critical areas of the economy to lay the framework which led to the growth in later decades. Institutions such as the IDA and NESC were set up in the ’70s and those long term plans targeted outside investment. They used the grants and subsidies very efficiently.

Look around Ireland now. All the new infrastructure has a big blue sign on it. Subsidies allowed the government to invest in infrastructure without raising taxes. Most Irish people know this.

lexhamfox on November 24, 2008 at 6:25 PM

How about $700B to promote construction of nuclear power plants and to purchase land for and laying double-lines for freight trains. That is needed infrastructure with actual long term value to US citizens via enhancing our competitive position in the world. The market may actually like it, too.

tomg51 on November 24, 2008 at 10:34 AM

Just like a conservative to try to extract value from a government program! We’re not supposed to gain anything from it! It’s just supposed to give the government an excuse for claiming that they’ve created jobs. Highly skilled jobs don’t count. I can hear it now, “We can’t afford to lavish a jobs program on the most highly skilled.”

Don’t feel too bad. A few months in the new re-education camps should help you get it straight.

tom on November 24, 2008 at 6:43 PM

Lift the bans of nuclear plants and on oil production, and the make-work jobs might actually accomplish something. It would signal to the world that we are serious about our economy and not just the ocean views from our condos.

PattyJ on November 24, 2008 at 10:25 PM

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