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Guy who predicted the financial meltdown: Obama’s only making it worse

posted at 6:43 pm on November 24, 2008 by Allahpundit
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It’s Peter Schiff, Cassandra of the collapse, sounding off on Bloomberg TV over the weekend. He also predicts a bear market for another five to 10 years, with lows for the Dow somewhere between 4,000 and 6,000 but actually much worse in real dollars as the U.S. is crushed by hyperinflation. The only solution? Bring on the apocalypse and let’s muddle through.

If anyone needs me, I’ll be out back killing myself.


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I’m really not up on my economic knowledge. . Could you explain this for me? Husband and I have about 18k in student loans. This is our only debt. What does inflated away mean?

That means that your debt is measured in dollars, dollars that might be worth nothing, so your debt will be, too.

keepthechange has it right. Let’s say you make 50,000 a year now. You buy a 200,000 house. That’s a contract to pay 200K back to the bank. Inflation hits, and a loaf of bread is 10 buck, a dozen eggs 10 bucks, a gallon of gas 20 bucks. You’re income will rise to meet these basic needs, because it’s too much money floating around chasing goods. Now your income is 300,000 per year, instead of 50,000 a year. You’ve gone from owing 4 times annual income for your house to owing just 8 months income, because that contract to take on debt is in nominal dollars, not purchasing power.

I grew up on a 80 acre farm my dad bought for 36,000 in
1969. He made 20-25K at the time. 6-7 years later, after the inflation of the 70s, he still had payments of about 250 per month, but he made 40-50K per year. Who wouldn’t kill for those kind of payments? That’s how inflation helps the debtor and hurts the creditor.

HerrMorgenholz on November 24, 2008 at 8:53 PM

Pretty sure Ron Paul Dennis Kucinich has been talking about the collapse of our economy Aliens for years

Kaptain Amerika on November 24, 2008 at 7:18 PM

I fixed your faulty fix.

fossten on November 24, 2008 at 8:55 PM

Does this mean I have to pay for my own gas after the Inauguration of the Messiah?

Basilsbest on November 24, 2008 at 9:01 PM

does anyone have a video of Peter Schiff, before this mess, talking about CDS and MBS Derivative contracts?

jp on November 24, 2008 at 8:04 PM

I’m not sure if this answers your question indirectly or not, but at the end of the video Katy linked to above Schiff says, “Wall street securitized these bonds the same way they did with the sub-prime bonds.”

FloatingRock on November 24, 2008 at 9:03 PM

Yeeeah, note to self: I’m gonna need some more canned goods on hand.

CP on November 24, 2008 at 9:04 PM

But you’ve got to look at the difference between why we have tough times and why they do. We have tough times because we’re broke. Their tough times are because they’ve loaned us money and we can’t pay them back.

FloatingRock on November 24, 2008 at 9:18 PM

We’re not going all Zimbabwe or anything, but if you have very little debt, now is a good time to take on debt if it is feasible. It will be pretty much inflated away within 3 years.

HerrMorgenholz on November 24, 2008 at 7:37 PM

I have to ask, and being sincere. Why take on debt during deflation. I’ve pretty much lived my life with as little debt as possible. Car and house payments of course since I am not able to buy them outright. I use my credit card for emergencies only and almost always pay it off every month it’s used. Other than that, it’s cash and carry for me, including what scholarships didn’t cover for my daughters college education.

So why take on debt? Not that I am going to anyway, just curious.

Hog Wild on November 24, 2008 at 9:21 PM

If anyone needs me, I’ll be out back killing myself.

Wait till Thursday! You can eat and drink until you drop!

PattyJ on November 24, 2008 at 9:39 PM

I have to ask, and being sincere. Why take on debt during deflation. I’ve pretty much lived my life with as little debt as possible. Car and house payments of course since I am not able to buy them outright. I use my credit card for emergencies only and almost always pay it off every month it’s used. Other than that, it’s cash and carry for me, including what scholarships didn’t cover for my daughters college education.

So why take on debt? Not that I am going to anyway, just curious.

Hog Wild on November 24, 2008 at 9:21 PM

Debt is really bad in deflation ,but in inflation it’s almost free money.

the_nile on November 24, 2008 at 9:56 PM

“We need more factories, not more shopping malls.”

Please, Obama, start the “drill here, drill now” program. Nothing would brighten the market more. Nothing would stop the balance of trade deficit better than producing our own energy. You can even let the Acorn folks work there! Just do it.

PattyJ on November 24, 2008 at 10:00 PM

ive been hearing Peter Schiff talk accurately about the economy for the last few years be it on Glenn Becks show or on Business shows… u should check him out on youtube talking about housing prices and the economy back in 06′ and 07′ and how all the “economic experts” laughed and mocked shciff for his doom and gloom… sad to say but in one video he makes Art Laffer look like an idiot… Ben Stein and other douchebags are praising and telling everyone to buy Meryl linch and all these other investment firm stocks…i know people try to be optimistic…but their is a point where optimism is naive..

Conservator23 on November 24, 2008 at 10:08 PM

That guy is smart, and he’s right.

ThackerAgency on November 24, 2008 at 10:12 PM

So why take on debt? Not that I am going to anyway, just curious.

Hog Wild on November 24, 2008 at 9:21 PM

keep the change on November 24, 2008 at 8:40 PM
HerrMorgenholz on November 24, 2008 at 8:53 PM

They make valid points, although to intentionally accumulate debt with this expectation is an ethical issue, IMO. The debt that would be inflated away is real money earned by real people in foreign countries which were nice enough to lend it to us in the first place so we could buy the nice stuff they made. Inflation isn’t against the law, of course, and especially at this point they should be aware of the risks, but still, it’s something to consider. And irresponsible credit is what got us into this mess in the first place.

On the other hand, this is what our government, indeed, the world, is encouraging these days, so it’s would be easy enough to say, “It’s time to party!

But on the other hand Schiff could be wrong about hyper-inflation altogether, so there would be risk involved.

FloatingRock on November 24, 2008 at 10:12 PM

Here are a few funny book titles from a few years ago…

“Dow, 30,000 by 2008″ Why It’s Different This Time – Second Printing by Robert Zuccaro from 2001

Why the Real Estate Boom Will Not Bust – And How You Can Profit from It: How to Build Wealth in Today’s Expanding Real Estate Market by David Lereah from 2006

The Fourth Mega-Market, Now Through 2011 by Ralph J. Acampora and Michael D’Antonio from 2000

So called experts are usually full of $sh1t. Things are bad, yes, things will get worse. A whole mess of left wing crap will be passed into law under the guise of stimulus. The conservatives will be back in control of congress following the mid-term election and things will be pulled back. Obama will get the credit for the recovery that kicks in at this point and get re-elected in 2012.

History does tend to repeat, I’m just shocked it may happen so quickly.

crashland on November 24, 2008 at 10:17 PM

Oh my God…………….!

…………… better stock up on SPAM and Spagetti sauce people.

Seven Percent Solution on November 24, 2008 at 10:22 PM

Am I wrong? Isn’t all the money that the Paulson gang is passing out simply being printed by the Treasury?

How can printing so much money so fast not eventually result in hyperinflation?

angelat0763 on November 24, 2008 at 10:24 PM

I don’t know anything about the economy but the Bloomberg chick is smoking hot.

BostonBeatnik on November 24, 2008 at 10:27 PM

The conservatives will be back in control of congress following the mid-term election and things will be pulled back.

crashland on November 24, 2008 at 10:17 PM

The way the Republican Party has been headed they won’t be pulling back anything—they’ll be expanding everything.

FloatingRock on November 24, 2008 at 10:29 PM

Went to school with Laffer’s daughter.

Christien on November 24, 2008 at 7:36 PM

So, how were her curves?

Greg Toombs on November 24, 2008 at 10:48 PM

If Americans simply saved 10% of their take-home pay and spent the rest, we would have a tough recession, but eventually get past it. The rest of the savers in the world will not continue to load us money to finance our trade deficit for eternity. At some point, faith in the dollar could weaken especially if they artificially keep interest rates low to stimulate the economy which in the long term will continue to weaken our currency. As the currency goes, so goes the power of the United States. What has allowed us to keep this debt-driven spending going is foreigners loaning us money for our over-consumption habit. We need to gradually produce more and save more and invest more in our own economy.

Wait til China allows their currency to float in the future when there economy is even bigger and they are not dependent on exports but instead domestic consumption. Some day, not right at the minute, the rest of the world will look to their currency as a store of value along with the Japanese Yen and Euro even more. If and when that happens, their currency will catapult up in power and we will have a new superpower to contend with, one that is racist too.

Sapwolf on November 24, 2008 at 10:59 PM

seems to me the paultards are putting all their economic cred on the table by following schiff here. If he is wrong, and hyper-inflation does not occur, we are just in a deflationary recession….he’ll look as crazy as he has in the past and completely make Austrian Economics a laughing stock.

for what its worth, a friend went to an economic summit last week that had some big name phd economist(one worked in whitehouse not long ago). One of them predicted we bounce back in 2nd quarter, the other 3rd quarter 2009. Schiff is saying soon Hyper-Inflation sets in, dollar is worthless so buy tons of Gold and SIlver now.

jp on November 24, 2008 at 7:28 PM

That would happen if the rest of the world CONTINUED to shoot themselves in the head by loaning us more to finance our spending on consumption habit to prolong the mess further rather than using their money to finance their own countries’ consumption economics. It could happen. Schiff’s point is that it is now starting to unravel and that we are dangerously close to a dollar run and too much liquidity chasing too few goods/services.

Obama’s first term could be very dangerous. I would not be surprised if Obama secretly will have to go on a begging trip to Saudi’s, Japanese, Chinese to continue to convince them to loan us money and buy dollar investments. Of course, he may make it into a threat by saying if they don’t finance us, our economy will tank and so will theirs.

Sapwolf on November 24, 2008 at 11:14 PM

Went to school with Laffer’s daughter.

Christien on November 24, 2008 at 7:36 PM

So, how were her curves?

Greg Toombs on November 24, 2008 at 10:48 PM

RIMSHOT!!! More Cowbell.

They make valid points, although to intentionally accumulate debt with this expectation is an ethical issue, IMO

I don’t know if I’d go so far as to call it an ethical issue, but your point is well taken. Then again, there are only winners and losers in this type of scenario. We’re in a zero-sum economy, IMHO. And what I earlier proposed does take a set of Malkins, becuase it assumes I’m right.

HerrMorgenholz on November 24, 2008 at 11:22 PM

So I guess that Jim Rogers is right and we should be looking at commodities.
I’m an oil guy, and the weakening of the dollar is a positive for oil and for other commodities.
People always need to eat.

As far as Allahpundit killing himself, I somehow don’t think that he has a massive stock portfolio to drop down that rabbithole. Keep your sunny side up, boychick.
It’ll be OK. We’re just going to have to learn to speak more Mandarin and read more Kanji. We’ll have to shitcan the scammy Global Warming bullshit and get back to serious business.
Those Asian folks in Shanghai, Singapore and Tokyo save their money and don’t live on massive consumer debt. They also make things, which is the whole idea, anyway.

TexasJew on November 24, 2008 at 11:53 PM

What do you expect him to say? He is famous now that he was shown to have predicted this. That fame goes away if he says everything is going to be alright.

Has he ever said anything positive? Ever?

BuckNutty on November 24, 2008 at 6:57 PM

He is a functional finance person, not an academic, so his main interest is making money. He’s famous, and probably wealthy, because he was right, and the more often he’s right the more famous, and wealthy, he becomes.

DFCtomm on November 25, 2008 at 12:28 AM

What do you expect him to say? He is famous now that he was shown to have predicted this. That fame goes away if he says everything is going to be alright.

Has he ever said anything positive? Ever?

BuckNutty on November 24, 2008 at 6:57 PM

Should he be positive?

He is a functional finance person, not an academic, so his main interest is making money. He’s famous, and probably wealthy, because he was right, and the more often he’s right the more famous, and wealthy, he becomes.

DFCtomm on November 25, 2008 at 12:28 AM

Which is to say he profits from accuracy.

FloatingRock on November 25, 2008 at 12:33 AM

There are many people now that claim to have seen this coming, but you know how to tell the ones who actually did? They made money. Why is Obama appointing people who were involved with the creation of this mess, instead of going after the guys who saw it coming. They were smart enough to understand what was going to happen, so maybe they are smart enough to fix it.

DFCtomm on November 25, 2008 at 12:37 AM

DFCtomm on November 25, 2008 at 12:37 AM

Instead Obama seems to be working on the assumption that the very people who created this mess in the first place are the best qualified to fix it.

FloatingRock on November 25, 2008 at 12:47 AM

Hog Wild,
If you must accumulate debt, do it during an inflationary period. If you don’t have to, don’t–save it! I remember during the Carter years, I still had a job and I saved my money in a money market account paying about 18% for a while. That’s the benefit of inflation to me.

PattyJ on November 25, 2008 at 12:50 AM

Feed the Pig

I think I know where I’m getting my investment advice.

Kini on November 25, 2008 at 12:50 AM

keepthechange has it right. Let’s say you make 50,000 a year now. You buy a 200,000 house. That’s a contract to pay 200K back to the bank. Inflation hits, and a loaf of bread is 10 buck, a dozen eggs 10 bucks, a gallon of gas 20 bucks. You’re income will rise to meet these basic needs, because it’s too much money floating around chasing goods. Now your income is 300,000 per year, instead of 50,000 a year. You’ve gone from owing 4 times annual income for your house to owing just 8 months income, because that contract to take on debt is in nominal dollars, not purchasing power.

I grew up on a 80 acre farm my dad bought for 36,000 in
1969. He made 20-25K at the time. 6-7 years later, after the inflation of the 70s, he still had payments of about 250 per month, but he made 40-50K per year. Who wouldn’t kill for those kind of payments? That’s how inflation helps the debtor and hurts the creditor.

HerrMorgenholz on November 24, 2008 at 8:53 PM

I hate to say it, but provided I stay employed at around %80 of my current income, adjusted for inflation, then hyperinflation would be just dandy for me. I would come out smelling like a big ole rose.

DFCtomm on November 25, 2008 at 12:54 AM

Instead Obama seems to be working on the assumption that the very people who created this mess in the first place are the best qualified to fix it.

FloatingRock on November 25, 2008 at 12:47 AM

Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies.
- Groucho

MB4 on November 25, 2008 at 12:59 AM

nstead Obama seems to be working on the assumption that the very people who created this mess in the first place are the best qualified to fix it.

FloatingRock on November 25, 2008 at 12:47 AM

FloatingRock was this intentional? Did they mean to introduce hyperinflation to reduce the national debt, or do you think they aren’t that smart?

DFCtomm on November 25, 2008 at 1:05 AM

Bring on the apocalypse and let’s muddle through.

People complain that these are hard times. Believe me. These are the good ol’ days compared to what’s coming. And rather than preparing themselves, people’s lives are being dominated by the everyday affairs of life just like the people in the days of Noah. They are so busy with their everyday affairs most people don’t even believe that judgment is coming. I am so heartbroken. May the Lord give you the strength to make it through this rough awful road that lies ahead.

apacalyps on November 25, 2008 at 1:19 AM

FloatingRock was this intentional? Did they mean to introduce hyperinflation to reduce the national debt, or do you think they aren’t that smart?

DFCtomm on November 25, 2008 at 1:05 AM

I don’t know enough to speculate about motives other than the obvious one of pandering to special interests for cash and votes, (regarding sub-prime and other causes). In the video somebody suggested that the government has been intentionally devaluing our currency to make us more competitive on the world stage, but I’m not sure if this has been established as a fact, though I’ve heard it before.

Regarding the national debt, it seems to me that the nations lending us money must know the risks at this point, so if our government is intentionally trying to cause hyperinflation for that purpose it’s probably no secret to interested parties—aside from citizens of the US.

I think their intentions are probably good but their methods are unsound, IMO.

FloatingRock on November 25, 2008 at 1:32 AM

Sorry old folks, no Social Security for you, we had to give it to the Banksters so they could pay bonuses, Medicare is still there for you, but we’ve reduced the benefits so we now only cover euthanasia, (but we do still pay 100%) and you still get $300 for a nice funeral. So see, Uncle Sugar IS looking out for our Seniors’ needs! After all, the Native Americans just sent their old folks out to the prairie to die.

If I was younger I would be looking for a new country. Oh
Best Regards;
Georgia Bear

KentAllard on November 25, 2008 at 1:35 AM

Sorry old folks, no Social Security for you, we had to give it to the Banksters so they could pay bonuses, Medicare is still there for you, but we’ve reduced the benefits so we now only cover euthanasia, (but we do still pay 100%) and you still get $300 for a nice funeral. So see, Uncle Sugar IS looking out for our Seniors’ needs! After all, the Native Americans just sent their old folks out to the prairie to die.

If I was younger I would be looking for a new country. Oh
Best Regards;
Georgia Bear

KentAllard on November 25, 2008 at 1:35 AM

Look at the bright side. They did find a way to derail the coming entitlement crisis. Bankrupt the nation! It’s brilliant in it’s simple elegance.

DFCtomm on November 25, 2008 at 1:39 AM

And rather than preparing themselves, people’s lives are being dominated by the everyday affairs of life just like the people in the days of Noah.

apacalyps on November 25, 2008 at 1:19 AM

For too many people that’s probably true.

They are so busy with their everyday affairs most people don’t even believe that judgment is coming.

You lost me there. It’s not like this is the first time something like this has happened, and every other time people like you made similar claims. It’s human nature to avoid the unpleasant for as long as possible. This has probably happened every single time throughout history when times have grown tougher, which on the scale of 2000 years is actually fairly frequently.

Although, admittedly, this time we have terrorists running around looking for WMD’s, but it’s still a human event, IMO.

FloatingRock on November 25, 2008 at 1:40 AM

Oh boy:

Treasury, Fed to Unveil Major Consumer Lending Program

FloatingRock on November 25, 2008 at 2:53 AM

FloatingRock on November 25, 2008 at 2:53 AM

Hyperinflation is looking more and more unavoidable. The government is doing all the wrong things.

lodge on November 25, 2008 at 3:08 AM

Look, dangit. The source of spending money for a lot of Americans the past decade or so has been the home equity loan. Those loans bought a lot of boats, cars, vacations, vacation homes, college tuitions, kids cars, etc.

As the baby boomers moved into their own houses it caused a building boom. Then their children and finally their grandchildren needed homes of their own. Now that is ending. The boomers are going to start moving out of their homes in the neighborhoods where they lived during their working career for cheaper digs when they retire. The great 30 year demand for housing is over. At the very same time, people were moved into mortgages that they could barely afford with adjustable rates when interest rates were at historical lows. When interest rates finally started to rise, the mortgages adjusted, those mortgages defaulted and it basically destroyed home values JUST when a huge number of homes are due to go on the market as boomers retire.

What we need is a new source of value. A new source of equity. This has traditionally been done by investment in business and industry (before the real estate boom). People took risks and started a business or they invested in successful businesses.

Taking a wad of cash and throwing it into the economy doesn’t create any long term value in and of itself. Simply spending money on stuff doesn’t create any value, or build any equity for the person spending it. They can’t take whatever they buy with a few hundred bucks and refinance it in a few years to buy a new car or send a kid to college.

The only thing that makes sense is to return to basic principles. You need to build equity the old fashioned way. Capital gains. Unless people take any “economic stimulus” cash and invest it in something that promises to grow in value, such a wad of cash thrown into the market will be about like a cup full of gasoline tossed into a campfire. It will blaze for a little bit but once it is burned up, the fire returns to where it was and unless you keep tossing gas in there, eventually goes out. Unless someone takes that money and uses it to plant trees, that fire can’t be kept going.

Residential real estate is finished for about the next 20 to 30 years as the main creator of personal wealth in this country. People need to go back to fundamentals. Invest in a good business with a good product and a good plan. As it grows, the value of your investment grows. This crap of simply sitting around while housing values rise forever is overwith.

crosspatch on November 25, 2008 at 3:16 AM

Hyperinflation is looking more and more unavoidable. The government is doing all the wrong things.

lodge on November 25, 2008 at 3:08 AM

On the bright side, they’re not using scientific notation, yet.

progressoverpeace on November 25, 2008 at 3:19 AM

What kills me about the spending spree on the Hill is that these are just ordinary people, for the most part, with little to no economic experience whatsoever determining what to do with enormous sums of money we do not even possess. Funny thing is, when someone just distills this into practical, every day finances, it makes sense why one cannot survive the way our government has. A “day of reckoning” must come for anyone or any company who does this, eventually. The willful disregard for these common-sense principles does create room for conspiracy theories to thrive. The times are ripe for those scenarios.

Mommypundit on November 25, 2008 at 4:07 AM

How about a remake of of the movie “Apocalypse Now” this time starring all the bizarre financial “wizards” traveling up river, encountering a series of strange setbacks, in order to reach their ultimate goal of gain without pain. I can’t wait to see the helicopter scene and watch them surf among the incoming shells.

Done That on November 25, 2008 at 5:26 AM

Thanx for this posting and videos, Allah..and everyone else with their explanations. This is a must view for my teenage kids so they begin to understand the complexities of our international economies and the consequences of our actions.

gracie on November 25, 2008 at 8:37 AM

Here’s another question for the “real” economic folks out there…

Assuming (?) that hyperinflation strikes the US, doesn’t that actually have a positive impact on a country that is the world’s largest debtor nation? I am thinking of Germany in the inter-water period where (again, from Discovery Channel) they paid off thier WWII reparations very easily.

Could that be the case with the US?

Waterboy on November 25, 2008 at 10:11 AM

Assuming (?) that hyperinflation strikes the US, doesn’t that actually have a positive impact on a country that is the world’s largest debtor nation?

Waterboy on November 25, 2008 at 10:11 AM

That may be exactly what the underlying conspiracy plan is here. But the downside is: 1. Getting through the actual hyperinflation phase, and 2. When we come out of it, you will have no savings, no retirement, and Social Security will be wiped out. The dollar will also be gone, replaced by some other currency.

But hey, it’ll be a whole new world!

ZenDraken on November 25, 2008 at 10:48 AM

Zen

This definitely sounds like a ploy to get a one-world currency. Or at the very least, a North AMerican Currency.

JAM on November 25, 2008 at 10:52 AM

Assuming (?) that hyperinflation strikes the US, doesn’t that actually have a positive impact on a country that is the world’s largest debtor nation? I am thinking of Germany in the inter-water period where (again, from Discovery Channel) they paid off thier WWII reparations very easily.

I’m afraid that the bottom line of hyperinflation would be oil becoming critically short due to a weakened dollar and the commodity bubbles caused by all that money floating around looking for a haven. And people who have speculated on what would happen when the world dumps our dollar for some other “fiat” currency is not at all good, which hyperinflation would bring.

With hyperinflation, we’d have to become self-sufficient and net exporters. Energy, not money supply, will dictate the size of our economy because it will be the fundamental ingredient we’ll have the least amount of.

shuzilla on November 25, 2008 at 11:22 AM

for those detractors – read shiff’s two books – Crash Proof 06 and Little Book of Bull Moves in Bear Markets spring 08

Shiff avoided the dot com bubble investing, predicted the housing bust and financial crisis several years out when the down was going to 14000.

Where Peter has been wrong in the near term is that other economies did not detach from the US economy, but tanked also even though they are fundamentally strong producing nations. These economies hadn’t went down in the last year, so the US already had some downsizing. Our current high value of the dollar and low commodities is a very temporary thing as people cash out in dollars.

Eventually the foriegn markets will detach from our, foriegn creditors say enough, and American will be on it’s own. No bailout or printing money scheme will work and we are only making it worse at this juncture

Shiff invests in foriegn markets and their commodities. There are great values out there now, with high dividends paid in Foriegn currencies. These will strengthen as our consumer based economy declines.

audiotom on November 25, 2008 at 11:35 AM

You can’t take $10 from one part of the economy and put $10 back into a different part of the economy and increase the overall economy. Heck, it would cost you a couple of dollars just to move it. So when government takes $10 they can only put $8 back in. The only way to grow the private sector economy is to leave more money in it … reduce taxes.

You can put paper cash into the economy by doing a few extra printing runs but that devalues the currency by the same amount that you printed up. So then prices go up and people are left exactly where they were before.

The ONLY way to grow the economy is to shrink government. No economy except dirt poor stone age economies ever benefited economically by government growth and only really took off once government stepped aside and let the economy grow. Government can bootstrap things but can not run things in a sustainable fashion … unless you have at least two governments that can compete and people can choose which government they want to belong to.

crosspatch on November 25, 2008 at 11:37 AM

What is going to happen to the dollar? Why is it going to happen? What will the international response be? Answer all those and then my answer would be yes.

muyoso on November 24, 2008 at 7:51 PM

Because Ron Paul claimed that the economy would slow down, this makes him some kind of financial genius? Everybody, including the people who laughed at Schiff, who by the way did not get everything right (the housing market has indeed, not slowed down), said that the economy would slow down. Whether it would “crash” or not has yet to be seen; I’m not seeing any apple cart vendors or street corner pencil salesmen. Show me Ron Paul’s economic forecast from the time he was campaigning and lets match everything up.

Tacitus_SGL on November 25, 2008 at 11:37 AM

Debt is really bad in deflation ,but in inflation it’s almost free money.

No, only if you have a low fixed interest rate on the debt.

As in the Carter years, the creditors will change to very high interest rates for fixed rates, and adjustable rates otherwise to protect themselves.

Who else remembers 20%+ interest rates in the Dhimmy years? Your parents may have been okay with their low fixed-rate mortgages from the 60s, but everyone else was dead in the water.

ex-Democrat on November 25, 2008 at 11:38 AM

Excuse me, the housing market HAS slowed down (reality) but it has not crawled to a halt (Schiffworld.) Supply overreaches demand currently, but there’s a lot of people with good credit who are buying up homes, even here in Southern California.

Tacitus_SGL on November 25, 2008 at 11:46 AM

While I’m at it, how about some good old fashioned crazy Libertarian fun for the little isolationists in your family!

Ron Paul 4 Kidz

And just for laughs:

http://www.somethingawful.com/d/flash-tub/conspiracy-theory-911.php

Tacitus_SGL on November 25, 2008 at 11:52 AM

This definitely sounds like a ploy to get a one-world currency. Or at the very least, a North AMerican Currency.

JAM on November 25, 2008 at 10:52 AM

I’ve never bought into the whole “New World Order” conspiracy thing, but I have to say this video makes me wonder if the US Dollar is already being ushered out the door:

Hal Turner muestra el Amero

It does fit the pattern of a planned hyperinflation. I don’t know of any other viable way to deal with the national debt.

Disclaimer: I never heard of Hal Turner before this morning, and I don’t know how factual this video is. Anybody with more info, please chime in.

More: Hyperinflation Watch

ZenDraken on November 25, 2008 at 12:14 PM

Hooookay, never mind. Hal Turner has gone a bit around the bend.

Hal Turner Show/

Right or wrong, advocating violent revenge in a public forum is just dumb.

Revolution may be justified, but I don’t think we’re there yet. And any revolt must be based on supporting and defending the Constitution, not on vengeance. I hope most people remember that: Stand by the Constitution!

And the Amero is probably not quite real:

Amero Coin Con

ZenDraken on November 25, 2008 at 1:59 PM

Heading off depression

Simple really:

1 – repeal SOX;
2 – repeal CAFE;
3 – put Pelosi, Reid, Barney, Dodds, Obama et al in jail for fraud
4 – free the energy industry to produce energy

Paul Murphy on November 25, 2008 at 3:08 PM

It’s not like this is the first time something like this has happened, and every other time people like you made similar claims.

FloatingRock on November 25, 2008 at 1:40 AM

Sure, there have always been false claims. I agree with you. But, that doesn’t negate the fact that the Bible predicts future events. You’re driving your car and you take a wrong turn and you get lost. What is the best thing you can do? Find yourself a reliable map! Isn’t that right? The Bible is a reliable map. All you gotta do is read it, it’s self proving. The world is lost. People see and know the world is in chaos, out of control, and they ask why is all this happening? The answer is as close as their Bible.

apacalyps on November 25, 2008 at 4:35 PM

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